Ive got him as my 2, nervous about his health not his targets.
The mocks I have been doing have him going in the 5th. Which surprised me.Sanders will likely finish with more points and is being drafted ~4 rounds later.
It's hard to imagine how a WRs numbers would drop when they got to play with such legendary QBs like Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemien, and Paxton Lynch.put him out to pasture..
old looking 30 yr old who has seen his yards/rec drop each year he's been in the league, his yards/gm have dropped in each season since 2014.his catch rate has dropped each year since 2012 ( except 2016 where it popped up a bit),his rec/gm have dropped in each year since 2014..his targets have dropped in each year since 2014, and his receptions/yr have dropped in each year since 2014.... perhaps the MOST telling stats are the TD #'s which have fallen off the map down from double digits to 6,5,5 in each of the past 3 seasons..whats worse is his longest TD has dropped from a high of 86 yards in 2014 to just 40 last season. he's clearly slowing down and the numbers show it. last season he failed to reach 1000 yards receiving for the first time in his NFL career and that trend is likely to continue..
he hit a high mark in 2014 and has not been the same player since..
not a lot to see here..
It is almost as if Paxton Lynch, Brock Osweiler, and Trevor Semian aren't as good as Peyton Manning.
That or he miraculously began to suck after 2014.
I'm with Icon. I'm a Bronco fan and feel confident that all things being equal Sanders could out produce him this year.Sanders will likely finish with more points and is being drafted ~4 rounds later.
In that range I greatly prefer juju, Landry, Watson, Miller....
Your mocks have Sanders going in the 5th?! Wow.The mocks I have been doing have him going in the 5th. Which surprised me.
I do indeed mean 5th. And this is using draft dominator. Full disclosure it is a keeper league so it is skewed a bit since it is not pulling from the entire pool of players. But I would say it is accurate to a ~round.Your mocks have Sanders going in the 5th?! Wow.
FBG consesus ADP has Sanders around #83 (WR35)... which is excellent value. DThomas is in the mid 40s (WR18) which is overpaying IMO (even IF he’s not lost a step and is moved around).
Sanders in the 5th eats up a LOT of the value there. Can you confirm that’s what you meant? Is anyone else seeing this?
The last time E.Sanders outscored DT was 2010 when he only played 10 games, I'm not buying it.Sanders will likely finish with more points and is being drafted ~4 rounds later.
In that range I greatly prefer juju, Landry, Watson, Miller....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQThe last time E.Sanders outscored DT was 2010, I'm not buying it.
The almost 32 year old E.Sanders is coming on strong and finally going to outproduce DT. Yup.....
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I assume you realize Sanders at thomas are essentially the same age (about 7mo apart).The almost 32 year old E.Sanders is coming on strong and finally going to outproduce DT. Yup.....
Head to head it's a bold statement but not as bold if you look closely at the changing dynamics of the Denver offense. Sanders slot useage has doubled this preseason... Keenum loves targeting the slot. 1+1=2.EMMANUEL SANDERS WILL OUTSCORE DEMARYIUS THOMAS
This will be a big deal considering there are roughly 15 wide receivers picked after Thomas and before Sanders, and the difference between burning a fourth-round pick and a seventh-rounder is significant. Even scoring in the same ballpark makes their relative average draft position seem ridiculous, but it will look worse when Sanders scores more. Both wideouts had down seasons in 2017 due to several factors, with abysmal quarterback play vying with injuries for the main culprit.
Missing four games led to Sanders’ dropoff from three consecutive 1,000-yard seasons, but Thomas’ accumulated nagging ailments held him back as well. The former size/speed specimen, who has recently mulled retirement, is again nicked up and has readymade replacement Courtland Sutton lining up on the opposite perimeter, with Sanders manning the slot (53 percent of preseason routes, versus only 27 percent last year). Case Keenum, who thrived when targeting the slot last year, is an upgrade for all Broncos receivers, and Sanders is better-positioned to take advantage.
Yes of course, however I don't see the player advanced in age of the two all of the sudden going to outproduce someone whom they never have in their career in a full season. First you said E.Sanders was going to out score him, now your argument is the value proposition between the two players in the rounds their being drafted. I've owned DT since 2010 in my dynasty league, picked him up in like the 30th round in the startup, no complaints here. Give me DT over Sanders head to head.I assume you realize Sanders at thomas are essentially the same age (about 7mo apart).
Head to head it's a bold statement but not as bold if you look closely at the changing dynamics of the Denver offense. When talking pure value perspective, Thomas in the 6th represents excellent value, whereas thomas in the 4th represents poor value, IMO. Thomas will likely not be on any of my teams this year. Sorry if you invested in him and disagree.. we'll see how the season plays out. Cheers.
I don't see why it's out of the realm of possibility. I have Dt and have since his rookie year in dynasty, but Sanders has built a great rapport with keenum all off-season and as has been said has been moved into the slot a lot more than in the past. He looks revitalized. I think groupthink tells us Dt will outproduce Sanders but that's not a bet I would make. But the nice thing is you can get Sanders at a fraction of the cost and imo he can absolutely outproduce Dt on a season long basisThe almost 32 year old E.Sanders is coming on strong and finally going to outproduce DT. Yup.....
Either you replied before my post was edited, or you edited out some key points. Either way I feel like I stated my case pretty clearlyYes of course, however I don't see the player advanced in age of the two all of the sudden going to outproduce someone whom they never have in their career in a full season. First you said E.Sanders was going to out score him, now your argument is the value proposition between the two players in the rounds their being drafted. I've owned DT since 2010 in my dynasty league, picked him up in like the 25th round in the startup, no complaints here. Give me DT over Sanders head to head.
Well you clearly also write for rotoworld... LolEither you replied before my post was edited, or you edited out some key points. Either way I feel like I stated my case pretty clearly
For those of you who have Thomas in Dynasty... cool. For those of us looking for draft advice this year... I think most will agree Sanders will present better ROI, and I think the EOY scoring in PPR will be much closer than you think. But Like I said before... we'll see. Good luck with your teams this year Cheers
not happening. i think it was an idea concocted by pats superfan peter king who nas zero insight on anything related to the BroncosAnyone heard the Florio rumor here? Thomas could be traded or cut with an eye toward the Pats.
DEN/NE homers...any chatter?
Sutton. I heard these rumors 2 weeks ago and was laughed out of the thread.Anyone heard the Florio rumor here? Thomas could be traded or cut with an eye toward the Pats.
DEN/NE homers...any chatter?
Anyone heard the Florio rumor here? Thomas could be traded or cut with an eye toward the Pats.
DEN/NE homers...any chatter?
Not sure what you're insinuating here, but DT is only a $4.4M cap hit to trade. DEN would save $7.6M this year and he has a whopping $17.5M cap number next year.Bronco Billy said:Yeah. It’s patently stupid. Don’t you think as alleged professionals in journalism and allegedly thoroughly understanding the NFL that they might consider checking out the contract/cap hit situation (takes all of about 1 minute to do) before they post this kind of nonsense?
Not sure what you're insinuating here, but DT is only a $4.4M cap hit to trade. DEN would save $7.6M this year and he has a whopping $17.5M cap number next year.
$11M of his signing bonus accelerates forward to this year’s cap and his $4M option bonus would be dead money as well. That’s a $15M cap hit against clearing his $8.3M salary.
Next year it flips. He’s contracted for $14M but would only cost $5.5M as a cap hit if they cut him. That $5.5M could be spread over 2 years if he’s cut after the 2019 NFL year starts.
ETA - I assume you’re looking at Sportstrac, their numbers are the same as what you are citing, I believe they missed the previously guaranteed signing bonuses that get factored over the length of the contract and accelerate forward if he is traded or cut.
All you posted at first was "Rumors circling that he may get cut." With zero background, zero cited sources/reasons or any details at all... if you had provided some context or reasoning, people wouldn't have ridiculed your post.Sutton. I heard these rumors 2 weeks ago and was laughed out of the thread.
Sutton.
I assume you mean conference rival here. Avoiding trading to anyone in the AFC severely limits your market for a player.Why you would trade DT to a division rival in the Pats is a mystery to me though unless there's some pretty nice compensation.
Yep, misspoke, not division but conference rival. Seems like a bad idea to keep him in conference and strengthen another team. The recently mentioned Jags being another example.I assume you mean conference rival here. Avoiding trading to anyone in the AFC severely limits your market for a player.
That said, stated above, nothing to see here. Speculation.
Turns out sanders was there at 7.10 (#82) for me... (couldn’t pass up Lynch as RB3 in 6th). Fantastic Value as my WR3.Going to reach for Sanders tomorrow at 63rd pick (early 6th) because I doubt he will be there at 82 (late 7th)... hoping I don’t have to pick between him and Jeffrey. I’ll take him over Crabtree, probably Davis and Gordon.
That's the problem around here. I said take it fwiw and don't shoot the messenger. Now more smoke. I posted it so people could grab Sutton if they want before his price shoots up. I didn't say I knew for sure. Why can't people just say "hey thanks but I'm going to chill until i hear some more concrete info." I mean it's not like I stated it was for sure going to happen. This board is whack sometimes. Sheeesh.All you posted at first was "Rumors circling that he may get cut." With zero background, zero cited sources/reasons or any details at all... if you had provided some context or reasoning, people wouldn't have ridiculed your post.
Edit: Or at least some of us wouldn't have, I know Dr Dan got roasted in a different GB thread talking about sources he might have close to the GB RB situation.
Demaryius Thomas caught 4-of-7 targets for 24 yards in the Broncos' Week 4 loss to the Chiefs.
Thomas has been held under 25 yards in 2-of-4 games and has yet to top 65 yards in a game. He continues to battle drops. Thomas should have had a walk-in game-winning 28-yard touchdown on the final drive Monday night, but Case Keenum missed him running wide-open down the right sideline. Thomas may have also slowed up prematurely on the route. Either way, Thomas has been a massive disappointment. He'll be a WR3 next week on the road at the Jets.
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That's my belief after watching him last night's MNF. This guy is shell of his former self... no explosion or strength to ward off DBs. Good thing I drafted his replacement in Sutton in Dynasty.This guy is done. Sutton already better