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29 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I guess I don't agree with the bolded.  As long as they are interesting they can be unlikable, obnoxious, depressing all they want.   The way I am interpreting your comment would take out a decent chunk of what I would consider great movies - There Will Be Blood and Wolf of Wall Street popped into mind.  

An exception would be a  truly compelling or interesting setting or story - Goodfellas would be an example.

 Magnolia, The Favourite, The Master, etc. are examples that would not qualify for me.

There Will Be Blood started off well, but the 2nd half spiraled into a complete mess, IMO. We'll just have to disagree on that one.

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45 minutes ago, Mr. Mojo said:

An exception would be a  truly compelling or interesting setting or story - Goodfellas would be an example.

 Magnolia, The Favourite, The Master, etc. are examples that would not qualify for me.

There Will Be Blood started off well, but the 2nd half spiraled into a complete mess, IMO. We'll just have to disagree on that one.

Gotcha- so basically you hate movies by PTA.  

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3 hours ago, Mr. Mojo said:

I haven't seen it and probably won't.

But I'm with you on this. I like all kinds of films - comedy, drama, western, sci fi, romance, period pieces, horror, historical, etc.

But the one kind that I don't like are the ones with unlikable, obnoxious and/or depressing characters who I couldn't care less about. 

 

Neither J.K Simmons nor Miles Teller were likeable in Whiplash but I enjoyed that movie. I guess due to the story and how it was told. It is rare that I will enjoy a movie where the lead(s) have no redeeming qualities. In the case of Uncut Gems I thought the whole story was a mess . If it were in a theater we would have walked out and I've never done that before.

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12 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Doesn't the"no redeeming qualities" cover a lot of crime, gangster, etc movies? 

Yes it would. I'm trying to think of examples. I didnt love Goodfellas. Never watched scarface. Skipped the godfather. I probably just havent watched all that many. :shrug:

 

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58 minutes ago, falguy said:

Yes it would. I'm trying to think of examples. I didnt love Goodfellas. Never watched scarface. Skipped the godfather. I probably just havent watched all that many. :shrug:

 

I hear you.   I just think it's interesting that I see this statement about not liking movies where the characters or very few of them have any redeeming qualities.   Then at the same time movies like Goodfellas, Heat, Wolf of Wall Street, etc.. people seem to liked around here.    

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5 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

Gotcha- so basically you hate movies by PTA.  

Other than Boogie Nights...YES!

I see the same common attributes in all of his films except BN:

Great cast and performances, an initially interesting scenario which leads into overlong, unhappiness and misery.  And a soundtrack that adds to the misery. By then end of his films, any happiness and positive feelings are sucked out. Not every film has to have a happy ending, but they don't all have to be miserable either.

But many critics and fans will remark about how great his films are.

I see a one dimensional director who specializes in a type of film that doesn't appeal to me at all, though others obviously feel differently.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Mojo said:

Other than Boogie Nights...YES!

I see the same common attributes in all of his films except BN:

Great cast and performances, an initially interesting scenario which leads into overlong, unhappiness and misery.  And a soundtrack that adds to the misery. By then end of his films, any happiness and positive feelings are sucked out. Not every film has to have a happy ending, but they don't all have to be miserable either.

But many critics and fans will remark about how great his films are.

I see a one dimensional director who specializes in a type of film that doesn't appeal to me at all, though others obviously feel differently.

PTA is a real mystery for me. I love Boogie Nights, Magnolia, Phantom Thread and There Will Be Blood. Punch Drunk Love, The Master and Inherent Vice were borderline awful IMO. I just didn't get them at all. 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Mojo said:

Other than Boogie Nights...YES!

I see the same common attributes in all of his films except BN:

Great cast and performances, an initially interesting scenario which leads into overlong, unhappiness and misery.  And a soundtrack that adds to the misery. By then end of his films, any happiness and positive feelings are sucked out. Not every film has to have a happy ending, but they don't all have to be miserable either.

But many critics and fans will remark about how great his films are.

I see a one dimensional director who specializes in a type of film that doesn't appeal to me at all, though others obviously feel differently.

So for BN is it because there are boobies, or is there just enough happiness in the last scene that it didn't rub you the wrong way like the others?   The bolded pretty much happens in Boogie Nights at the end.   I am a fanboy, but I get that people aren't into his movies.  

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1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

PTA is a real mystery for me. I love Boogie Nights, Magnolia, Phantom Thread and There Will Be Blood. Punch Drunk Love, The Master and Inherent Vice were borderline awful IMO. I just didn't get them at all. 

I get the other two, but The Master being on this list surprises me as I think it's right in the same vein as the ones you listed that you love.  IMO one of the best movies of the last decade.   I need to revisit Inherent Vice again.   I also need to rewatch Hard Eight.  I think it's on either NF or Prime.  

So far Punch Drunk is the only one that didn't click with me.   

I get it though - how you describe your feelings on PTA is how I feel about the Coens. 

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11 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I get the other two, but The Master being on this list surprises me as I think it's right in the same vein as the ones you listed that you love.  IMO one of the best movies of the last decade.   I need to revisit Inherent Vice again.   I also need to rewatch Hard Eight.  I think it's on either NF or Prime.  

So far Punch Drunk is the only one that didn't click with me.   

I get it though - how you describe your feelings on PTA is how I feel about the Coens. 

It was actually pretty recently I finally saw The Master so I knew the hype going in. I just didn’t get it. Literally nothing clicked with me at all. 

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Boogie and The Phantom Veil are marvels.  The rest I don’t care for.  I like Paul Dano but he was miscast in TWBB.

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3 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

So for BN is it because there are boobies, or is there just enough happiness in the last scene that it didn't rub you the wrong way like the others?   The bolded pretty much happens in Boogie Nights at the end.   I am a fanboy, but I get that people aren't into his movies.  

Boogie Nights had some of what I described, but to a lesser degree. It felt much more balanced in it's tone, with unhappiness but some fun, too.

The other films all seemed to be headed downward, into darkness and misery, with music that went right along. 

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10 hours ago, Daywalker said:

Boogie and The Phantom Veil are marvels.  The rest I don’t care for.  I like Paul Dano but he was miscast in TWBB.

If I remember right, he wasn't supposed to do 2 parts, but the other actor couldn't deal with DDL and his methods.  

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7 hours ago, Mr. Mojo said:

Boogie Nights had some of what I described, but to a lesser degree. It felt much more balanced in it's tone, with unhappiness but some fun, too.

The other films all seemed to be headed downward, into darkness and misery, with music that went right along. 

Very fair points.  I find stories like that interesting, so it doesn't effect me the way it seems to other people.    I figure not everybody's story is happy, so movies should reflect that.  

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Watched Anna last night. it was a decent spy movie.  A few twists and turns. Not too many F-bombs and very little yelling :;  

The lead was pretty easy on the eyes too which didn't hurt. 

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On "likeability", i'm noticing more and more - especially among the streaming service movies - that films are asking me to identify with people i have no wish nor desire to engage. The FFAppers who didnt like TLBMISF, their main prob was in following the lead where he took them and i found the same problem with recent @krista4 favorite The Souvenir. If i'd hit it on my own i wouldnta lasted 10 mins, but i stuck with it til about halfway because i trust K4s judgement. Didn't identify (half generational, half she kinda chose her way into her problem set), movie never left the assumption that i should identify and ended up irritating me away. I've found this as often as not in PTA films and that has been mostly along the line of him not developing characters enough for me to accept where he goes with them.

It's mostly generational for me. It's the same in music - "this is me" bands with no interest in what came before nor their own place in music (esp egregious when they're derivative) - same in standup - where i'm supposed to do the work of identifying with the performer's voice and life journey before i can find them entertaining - so it's no surprise to see the phenomenon encroaching upon film. It shouldn't, it's lazy, it just shouldn't, but it is.

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On 2/12/2020 at 8:12 AM, wikkidpissah said:

On "likeability", i'm noticing more and more - especially among the streaming service movies - that films are asking me to identify with people i have no wish nor desire to engage. The FFAppers who didnt like TLBMISF, their main prob was in following the lead where he took them and i found the same problem with recent @krista4 favorite The Souvenir. If i'd hit it on my own i wouldnta lasted 10 mins, but i stuck with it til about halfway because i trust K4s judgement. Didn't identify (half generational, half she kinda chose her way into her problem set), movie never left the assumption that i should identify and ended up irritating me away. I've found this as often as not in PTA films and that has been mostly along the line of him not developing characters enough for me to accept where he goes with them.

It's mostly generational for me. It's the same in music - "this is me" bands with no interest in what came before nor their own place in music (esp egregious when they're derivative) - same in standup - where i'm supposed to do the work of identifying with the performer's voice and life journey before i can find them entertaining - so it's no surprise to see the phenomenon encroaching upon film. It shouldn't, it's lazy, it just shouldn't, but it is.

I appreciate your giving the movie a shot based on my recommendation!  I've really wanted to hear someone else's input.  My working hypothesis was that it might be a movie that only a woman or a highly perceptive and empathetic man might find relatable.  Since I think you're highly perceptive and empathetic, I guess I might rule out the latter.  To me, the movie was haunting in its familiarity for me and nearly all of the women I know, in terms of how women's instincts are to defer and to make themselves small, and that fighting those inclinations is a huge part of our development, which many of us never fully realize.  I found a perfectly wrought coming-of-age story from a female perspective, as it was so close to my own experiences and those of my friends.  I don't see a lot of female coming-of-age stories that I find realistic or relatable, and I loved that this one didn't end up with some epiphany, but instead was a gradual development to...a better place, still not perfect in the least.

I also did not dislike either of the main characters and was pleased that the boyfriend was not set up as a villain, but, just as the female lead, was flawed but loving and doing the best he could given the addiction he was dealing with.  And I found both of those actors simply mesmerizing, absolute perfection in their performances.

I guess what I'm concluding, unsurprisingly, it might be a movie relatable almost exclusively by women.

This is the part that has haunted me since watching:

  When he robs her house, and she confronts him but somehow ends up apologizing to him instead.  The way that shook out was true to how these sorts of conversations can lead to women up giving in and deferring to their partners.  

 

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45 minutes ago, krista4 said:

I appreciate your giving the movie a shot based on my recommendation!  I've really wanted to hear someone else's input.  My working hypothesis was that it might be a movie that only a woman or a highly perceptive and empathetic man might find relatable.  Since I think you're highly perceptive and empathetic, I guess I might rule out the latter.  To me, the movie was haunting in its familiarity for me and nearly all of the women I know, in terms of how women's instincts are to defer and to make themselves small, and that fighting those inclinations is a huge part of our development, which many of us never fully realize.  I found a perfectly wrought coming-of-age story from a female perspective, as it was so close to my own experiences and those of my friends.  I don't see a lot of female coming-of-age stories that I find realistic or relatable, and I loved that this one didn't end up with some epiphany, but instead was a gradual development to...a better place, still not perfect in the least.

I also did not dislike either of the main characters and was pleased that the boyfriend was not set up as a villain, but, just as the female lead, was flawed but loving and doing the best he could given the addiction he was dealing with.  And I found both of those actors simply mesmerizing, absolute perfection in their performances.

I guess what I'm concluding, unsurprisingly, it might be a movie relatable almost exclusively by women.

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  When he robs her house, and she confronts him but somehow ends up apologizing to him instead.  The way that shook out was true to how these sorts of conversations can lead to women up giving in and deferring to their partners.  

 

Yeah, i was following on the basis that i might discover more about young women's approach to sculpting a life without the old pre-conceptions and such, but i was ending up so disappointed that this is how little a woman might carve out from her advantages now. That's her right, sure, but it pushes me away. And that disappoints me further, because old men dont get to be friends with young women and i hate not knowing their hearts anymore. I'll probably try again -  for instance, it took me three tries to tolerate the beautifully played but entirely repulsive leads in The Master long enough to get to the end - but i'm not hopeful.

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Wife wanted to see Downhill with Will Ferrell and Julia Louis-Dreyfus, so we saw it last night. We both agreed afterward that it was one of the worst movies we’ve seen in recent memory.  

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21 minutes ago, PlayaHata said:

Wife wanted to see Downhill with Will Ferrell and Julia Louis-Dreyfus, so we saw it last night. We both agreed afterward that it was one of the worst movies we’ve seen in recent memory.  

This is disappointing - I really liked the original.  

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7 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

This is disappointing - I really liked the original.  

I checked Rotten Tomatoes after we got home and the critic rating is 41%, but the audience rating is only 11%.
 

One of the only things I liked about the movie were the mountain/skiing shots.  They were breathtakingly gorgeous.  I so want to go skiing in the Alps someday.

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On my way to see Sonic. Can't wait.

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Some of the better movies, I have seen so far this year: 

Tangerine- not a subject I was especially interested in (trans hookers) but I loved Florida Project (same director) so I gave it a shot and it really was worth it. What a surprisingly funny, sad and moving movie. It was filmed entirely on an iphone with non-actors so it has a very documentary feel. It's not for everyone, but it's a clear indicator Sean Barker is an incredible young filmmaker. 

Vikings- Watched this since Douglas passed and my expectations were low. When these big technicolor 50s-60s epics are bad, they are awful. This one was good. It was far more brutal and violent than I would have expected from a big studio movie in 58. This one holds up. 

Harry and Tonto- mostly famous as the movie for which Art Carney won Best Actor over Pacino for Godfather 2 and Jack for Chinatown. Hot take, but it wasn't a bad decision.  A big blustery performance like Pacino gave doesn't mean it was the best. Carney is far more understated but is able to carry the movie, delivering all the needed emotions without embellishment. Also, this is a good movie. It's rare we get movies about aging and this has to be near the top.  

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Peanut Butter Falcon - worth watching

I enjoyed everything but the ending, which I think was really clumsily botched.

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American Assassin - meh I feel like it should have been way better. A little disjointed.

 

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3 hours ago, Daywalker said:

Ford vs Ferrari

Do yourself a favor and skip this one.  Brutal.

What was brutal about it? 

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4 hours ago, Daywalker said:

Ford vs Ferrari

Do yourself a favor and skip this one.  Brutal.

:shrug:I enjoyed it and I'm not a car guy. Was entertaining although I had some problems with Bales' accent. Overall I felt it was time well spent unlike the 45 minutes I wasted on Uncut Gems.

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Watched two high school movies last night that I know have been mentioned on here before.

The Edge of Seventeen (Netflix)- Absolutely loved this movie.  I don't even recall hearing about it other than in this thread on FBG, so thanks to whomever recommended it.  I thought Woody Harrelson stole the show, but the whole movie was really well done.  4.5/5

Booksmart (Hulu) - Entertaining and had plenty of funny bits, but I didn't enjoy it as much as Edge of Seventeen.  3.5/5

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Silent Running

Anyone remember this old Bruce Dern sci-fi movie? It’s weird, but interesting imo.

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7 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

What was brutal about it? 

Felt like I was rolling my eye for 2.5 hours. 

None of the scenes landed.  No sense of triumph.  No charm.

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1 hour ago, Daywalker said:

Felt like I was rolling my eye for 2.5 hours. 

None of the scenes landed.  No sense of triumph.  No charm.

Interesting. I think you are the first person I’ve heard not like it.

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While technically a "good" movie (well crafted), once upon a time in Hollywood did next to nothing for me.

ETA...just saw it on a plane and wished I'd seen JoJo instead. Did enjoy the three episodes of Broad City as a chaser however.

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It's been decades since I read the book so I can't recall if the movie matches the original story but....

my wife and I enjoyed watching "Call of the Wild" and will probably watch it again as a rental. :thumbup: 

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9 hours ago, PlayaHata said:

Watched two high school movies last night that I know have been mentioned on here before.

The Edge of Seventeen (Netflix)- Absolutely loved this movie.  I don't even recall hearing about it other than in this thread on FBG, so thanks to whomever recommended it.  I thought Woody Harrelson stole the show, but the whole movie was really well done.  4.5/5

Booksmart (Hulu) - Entertaining and had plenty of funny bits, but I didn't enjoy it as much as Edge of Seventeen.  3.5/5

I liked both as well, but think my ratings were the reverse.  

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The Japanese movie "Shoplifters" is super good.  The movie is not fast-paced so it won't be for everyone.

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Do the right thing, 1989, spike lee

Still holds up as a great film 

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For sama,

One of the most heart wrenching war movies docs I’ve watched in years.
 

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On 2/22/2020 at 3:52 AM, Daywalker said:

Ford vs Ferrari

Do yourself a favor and skip this one.  Brutal.

Wow have heard the opposite from everyone I know that has seen it

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Watched "JoJo Rabbit" last night. While not exactly a revelation, it was still enjoyable. Plenty of fun, absurdist moments in it to get past some of the more creaky points in the film.

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The Lighthouse

Loved the look of the movie and the acting here, but I am still trying to digest WTF I watched a couple nights ago.  

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I watched speed

fun flick to pass time

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Parasite.  I mean it was well made.

Everyone is awful?  What invigorating social commentary.  How subversive.

A movie no one will be watching five years from now.

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12 hours ago, Daywalker said:

Parasite.  I mean it was well made.

Everyone is awful?  What invigorating social commentary.  How subversive.

A movie no one will be watching five years from now.

I don’t think the message was everyone was awful. I don’t think I would qualify anyone in the movie as a truly awful person. The poor family were opportunistic and manipulative, the wealthy family was shallow and gullible, the maid and husband were desperate but they were all people doing whatever was necessary to provide for themselves. The poor people were feeding off of the wealthy family but they also were doing their jobs. The wealthy family were using the poor people to do all the menial tasks they didn’t want to do but they also were paying them for it.  All sides used the others for status. Obviously the symbolism in the upstairs, downstairs was there. I like that in sending it’s message about the problems of class in society and capitalism, it didn’t take the predictable route of making the rich family clearly bad or the poor family so sympathetic. 

I think it’s a movie that will be talked about and watched for decades as movie people are absolutely head over heels about it in a way I haven’t seen in awhile. 

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On ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 8:28 PM, Andy Dufresne said:

Peanut Butter Falcon - worth watching

I enjoyed everything but the ending, which I think was really clumsily botched.

Completely agree.  I thought it was a very entertaining movie and then just crapped out at the end.  Terrible ending.

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Knives Out was fine but not close to the level one would expect with the high ratings.  I'd give it a 6.5/10 maybe 7. Started slow but understandable, I guess, as they have to build the characters. Was decent after the first 45 minutes, or so but not much humour. I chuckled a few times but thought there would be more funny scenes. Ana de Armas is beautiful so there's that.  Glad I didn't bother to go see it at the theatre. 

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11 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

I don’t think the message was everyone was awful. I don’t think I would qualify anyone in the movie as a truly awful person. The poor family were opportunistic and manipulative, the wealthy family was shallow and gullible, the maid and husband were desperate but they were all people doing whatever was necessary to provide for themselves. The poor people were feeding off of the wealthy family but they also were doing their jobs. The wealthy family were using the poor people to do all the menial tasks they didn’t want to do but they also were paying them for it.  All sides used the others for status. Obviously the symbolism in the upstairs, downstairs was there. I like that in sending it’s message about the problems of class in society and capitalism, it didn’t take the predictable route of making the rich family clearly bad or the poor family so sympathetic. 

I think it’s a movie that will be talked about and watched for decades as movie people are absolutely head over heels about it in a way I haven’t seen in awhile. 

Messaging was pretty basic and about as old as film itself.

You didn't find the poor family to be awful people?

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