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gruecd said:
They're definitely more minimalist, but I looooooove them.  :wub:

Light enough to wear for speed workouts, but still enough shoe to get me through a marathon.  I'll be rocking my bright orange pair of V3s on Saturday!
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Yeah, that's what I read and I can see that.

Want to know what's crazy? I just read on both... The Saucony Kinvara is actually lighter than the Zantes (8.8 oz vs 7.9 oz). Got a couple miles in on them and it was like floating on air.  By comparison, my Pearl Izumi's are over 10 oz and still feel incredibly light (same as the Nike Pegasus).

 
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gianmarco said:
Oooooh, my shoes just came in.

First impressions, obviously, and will need to try them out, but......

1)  Love, love, love these Saucony Kinvara shoes.  They look awesome (normally don't even care about that) and they feel like a complete dream.  I cannot wait to try them out in a little bit.  I can see these being my go-to shoe.

2)  Nike Pegasus 34.  I know I tried it on in the store and liked it and I still do.  But, I tried them again after the Saucony and it makes me appreciate #1 even more.  Tons of cushioning, though.

3)  New Balance Foam Zante....incredibly light but very little support appreciated compared to the other 2.  My first impression is that I don't know if I'm going to like it that much but I can also see it growing on me.  I've been wearing them for the last 10-15 minutes around the house and they feel better than when I first put them on. 

Finally, I'm looking forward to running in these 14's.  I've been in 13's all my life and I'm not used to that much room up in the toe box but I think it's going to make my toes feel so much better.  It doesn't feel like my foot is moving around at all inside given the extra room but we'll see once I get out there.  Of the 3, the New Balance shoes have the most room and the Saucony has the least (still a full thumbnail, though). 
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LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN ORDER THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS OF RUNNING SHOES AND THEY ALL FEEL GREAT AND I GOT THEM FOR AN AWESOME PRICE WITH A COUPON CODE THAT I AM WILLING TO SHARE WITH ALL OF THE RUNNING NERD FRIENDS AND SOONER OR LATER I'M GONNA RUN A HALF MARATHON THAT IS GONNA BE FREAKING FAST BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF TALENT BUT JUST DON'T REALLY REALIZE IT YET!!!!!

 
ChiefD said:
LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN ORDER THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS OF RUNNING SHOES AND THEY ALL FEEL GREAT AND I GOT THEM FOR AN AWESOME PRICE WITH A COUPON CODE THAT I AM WILLING TO SHARE WITH ALL OF THE RUNNING NERD FRIENDS AND SOONER OR LATER I'M GONNA RUN A HALF MARATHON THAT IS GONNA BE FREAKING FAST BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF TALENT BUT JUST DON'T REALLY REALIZE IT YET!!!!!
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:lmao:

 
Juxtatarot said:
I've never paid much attention to VO2 max other than understanding the concept.  My new watch has a lot of stats one of which is a VO2 max estimate.  It has mine at 63.  How likely do you think that is to being in the ballpark of my real number?  I'm guessing it's not accurate because looking online that appears to be off the charts.
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Which watch?

I find it to be smart, but not very useful.  VO2Max, as I understand it, is really just the bodies ability to breathe harder, ie absorb more O2.  I have a high one (like 54) but thats only because when I run my HR is so high.  I need to take in O2 and convert it at a much higher rate.  For me also, I seem to be able to suffer longer, whatever that means.

Mine gets nice and high when I have extended interval run training.  When Im spending more time on the bike, it drops because my HR is ~15bpm lower on the bike.

Basic article of why watches arent that great for truly measuring it:  https://runnersconnect.net/is-vo2-max-worth-spending-for/

 
ChiefD said:
LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN ORDER THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS OF RUNNING SHOES AND THEY ALL FEEL GREAT AND I GOT THEM FOR AN AWESOME PRICE WITH A COUPON CODE THAT I AM WILLING TO SHARE WITH ALL OF THE RUNNING NERD FRIENDS AND SOONER OR LATER I'M GONNA RUN A HALF MARATHON THAT IS GONNA BE FREAKING FAST BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF TALENT BUT JUST DON'T REALLY REALIZE IT YET!!!!!
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I'm a HUGE fan of the @ChiefD "LOOK AT ME" run-on sentence shtick.

:lmao:

 
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SFBayDuck said:
@BassNBrew you getting off the couch and banging out another 100 miler on no training?  
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Possibly.  

Did the Mt. Mitchell marathon 4 weeks ago on 3 miles of training volume in Jan/Feb.  Late with the race report, but I figured they was appropriate as I was 10 min late to the start of the race and it took 3 miles to catch up to the broom wagon just to be tied for last place.  My training consisted entirely of home major renovations.  Also fractured my fibula (tip) Jan 1 kicking a soccer ball so in addition to the normal laziness, I was limited by the doctor.  Actually came out of that event pretty well.

Umstead is in 10 days.  Still undecided.  Started training 2.5 weeks ago.  My long run after the marathon (run/walk) is now up to 5 miles miles at an 11:30 pace.  May just go pick up the swag bag and bag it.

On the plus side, dropped 16 pounds in the last 2.5 weeks.

 
JAA said:
Which watch?

I find it to be smart, but not very useful.  VO2Max, as I understand it, is really just the bodies ability to breathe harder, ie absorb more O2.  I have a high one (like 54) but thats only because when I run my HR is so high.  I need to take in O2 and convert it at a much higher rate.  For me also, I seem to be able to suffer longer, whatever that means.

Mine gets nice and high when I have extended interval run training.  When Im spending more time on the bike, it drops because my HR is ~15bpm lower on the bike.

Basic article of why watches arent that great for truly measuring it:  https://runnersconnect.net/is-vo2-max-worth-spending-for/
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Garmin Vivoactive 3.  Interesting link, that's for sharing.

 
BassNBrew said:
Possibly.  

Did the Mt. Mitchell marathon 4 weeks ago on 3 miles of training volume in Jan/Feb.  Late with the race report, but I figured they was appropriate as I was 10 min late to the start of the race and it took 3 miles to catch up to the broom wagon just to be tied for last place.  My training consisted entirely of home major renovations.  Also fractured my fibula (tip) Jan 1 kicking a soccer ball so in addition to the normal laziness, I was limited by the doctor.  Actually came out of that event pretty well.

Umstead is in 10 days.  Still undecided.  Started training 2.5 weeks ago.  My long run after the marathon (run/walk) is now up to 5 miles miles at an 11:30 pace.  May just go pick up the swag bag and bag it.

On the plus side, dropped 16 pounds in the last 2.5 weeks.
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Wow it's crazy when losing 16 lbs in 2.5 weeks is the least impressive achievement listed. 

 
BassNBrew said:
Possibly.  

Did the Mt. Mitchell marathon 4 weeks ago on 3 miles of training volume in Jan/Feb.  Late with the race report, but I figured they was appropriate as I was 10 min late to the start of the race and it took 3 miles to catch up to the broom wagon just to be tied for last place.  My training consisted entirely of home major renovations.  Also fractured my fibula (tip) Jan 1 kicking a soccer ball so in addition to the normal laziness, I was limited by the doctor.  Actually came out of that event pretty well.

Umstead is in 10 days.  Still undecided.  Started training 2.5 weeks ago.  My long run after the marathon (run/walk) is now up to 5 miles miles at an 11:30 pace.  May just go pick up the swag bag and bag it.

On the plus side, dropped 16 pounds in the last 2.5 weeks.
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:lmao:   Sounds about right.  I'd say go to Umstead and knock out 50 miles, then see how you feel.  Earn the swag bag a little, at least ;)   I'm assuming the weight loss is tied to some sort of bet, so after 10 hours you should be down a few more pounds and can cash out, errrrr, take @Otis' money.

 
Naive Canadian tourist checking-in.

Any LA runners here?  I'm staying at a hotel near LAX tonight and would like to get an outside (so hate their fitness room) run in before my meetings.  I can't go far as I don't have a ton of time and hate running in the dark.  The area around LAX looks a bit dodgy but if I caught an uber to the beach it looks like there's a path there.  Good/bad?  Idiocy?

 
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ChiefD said:
La-di-da I'm just gonna go drink a bunch of wine and then load up on coffee and mosey over to the course to see if I'm running this morning and I guess I am so I will just roll out there and run a sub 18:00 and win some prizes and stuff........

:lmao:

Nice work.  :thumbup:
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FWIW, this one is still my favorite.  I laugh every time I read this.

 
SFBayDuck said:
I’ve heard of them. Badwater, 135 miles through Death Valley in July is on roads. And you have to run on the white line or the soles of your shoes will melt. 

Speaking of crazy, Barkley kicked off this morning. Sounds like 6 runners are now on the second loop, not sure If any more have a chance to beat the cutoff. And if you haven’t seen the Netflix doc, go watch it right now. Do it. 
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Some cool footage from Jamil Coury of his two loops out there.  Oh, and I've said it before and I'll say it again:   :wub: Amelia Boone :wub:

 
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Juxtatarot said:
I've never paid much attention to VO2 max other than understanding the concept.  My new watch has a lot of stats one of which is a VO2 max estimate.  It has mine at 63.  How likely do you think that is to being in the ballpark of my real number?  I'm guessing it's not accurate because looking online that appears to be off the charts.
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My watch said 61 for vo2 max the other day. Had no clue what that meant.

 
@ChiefD not sure what device you gots - garmin shows under ‘my stats’ on the watch or under performance stats in the Garmin Connect app. I don’t think it makes it to strava but maybe on premium.  Mine never was higher than 55 last yr and has been going down - booooooo!

 
SteelCurtain said:
I'm telling you if you ever want to try again, I can't say enough about Hanson's.  I've been following the advanced and added some easy miles along the way, but it will make you tired, but you see tangible gains each and every week.  Its really a great program.
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I'll mostly agree. But with the caveat that you need to watch yourself along the way. Last year (18 months ago now) Hanson's was exactly what I needed to PR. 

This year? My body just isn't taking it as well. Whether that's because I need a good rest from running (I've almost exclusively ran over the past 18 months, whereas before I'd break that up with tri or other stuff), whether the stress of the past year is catching up, I'm just not as motivated, maybe my expectations were too high, or whatever else, this just hasn't gone as well as last time. Maybe I just needed to add more rest days, I'm but really sure. 

So now I'm a month out. I'll do the long runs and tempo work but I'm cutting the intervals down big time. I'll probably do a 3 hour run this weekend, then a little faster 16 next, then nothing over 10 for the last 3 weeks.

 
gruecd said:
I track my shoes pretty religiously, and when a pair gets close to 400 miles, they're gone...no questions asked.  At any given time, I've got 2-3 new pairs in boxes in my closet, so it's just out with the old, in with the new.
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Strava is great for that. 

For me, it's really inconsistent.  I got 867 miles out of my new balance Zante 1 (during the best marathon training I've done), but 289 from the Zante 2s before the heel fell apart. 562 from my Scott kinabulu even though those were a bit tighter than I usually like.  between 300-400 on an average pair. 

 
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On the watch front, did any of the Vivoactive 3 guys come from a Forerunner 235?  My HR info all winter has been really really spotty with the 235. Vivo3 looks like an upgrade in basically all ways and might have to be mine.   

 
Buttons are too small on the Vivoactive 2.  I’m going to get the 735xt.  Wish I would have known the Vivo3 was coming out shortly after I bought mine.   :kicksrock:

 
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bushdocda said:
On the watch front, did any of the Vivoactive 3 guys come from a Forerunner 235?  My HR info all winter has been really really spotty with the 235. Vivo3 looks like an upgrade in basically all ways and might have to be mine.   
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I had a 305 and a 910XT before my Vivoactive3.  

I'm not a huge fan of the Vivoactive3.  Heart rate worked best when I used my Rhythm+ but when it died I decided to upgrade my watch with a built-in monitor.  If you look at any of my runs on Strava you'll notice inexplicable drops several times during my run which is annoying.  I also have to wear the watch tighter than I'd like to assure a decent reading.

I'm also not a fan of the touch screen for cold weather running.  Sometimes screens change on accident (I think something with the rubbing of my clothing causes it) and since I'm gloved up, I have to use my nose to navigate.  It's particularly bad with a rain jacket I have.  

 
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Interesting and enlightening day today!

Ive mentioned these colds/allergies which turn into bad sinus infections.  Due to all of that I scheduled an ENT appt a couple months ago.  Well, that appt was today.

The timing of the appt was perfect as on Monday this week something happened in the pool which really irritated my sinuses.  Literally sneezing and draining all day long even into the 2nd day.  Even today (Thursday) I still have symptoms.  Such symptoms as pain behind my right eye as well as the sneezing, draining, and overall congestion.

This week I had been training normally.  I didnt feel run down negative in the slightest.  When I get sinus infections they typically destroy me.  Such that Im in so much sinus pain,I dont want to do anything. In addition, I can tell im fighting an infection and I have zero energy.  Overall complete unhappiness.

Enter today and my appointment.  When I get there and write down my symptoms, they immediately put me in for this rotating CT scan thing.  Kinda creepy having this rotating machinery around your head.  Get done the scan, head back downstairs and immediately see the resident.  He goes through my 3D scan thing, which by the way is super cool.  His first question to me was "Did you suffer any facial trauma as a child", to which my response was "I dont think so???".  We are off to an EXCELLENT start!

It turns out for starters I have a deviated septum.  That looks kinda bad, but not all that bad.  He then showed my my sinus passageways.  It was clear as day my left nasal passage (forget the medical term) was tiny.  Like super tiny.  The Dr said it looked like as small as 1mm.  He also showed me the right side which was rather normal except a spot toward the end where he pointed out all this irritation/infection.  It was so clear on the scan I could see where the infection was pushing against my eyeball and causing a slight concaveness.  Little bit scary.  He said you will need antibiotics for that, to which of course I replied "I dont like to take them".  His response was this is kinda a big deal as those bacteria can "eat away" the bone and get into your eye.  My reply "no problem boss".  So I have a pretty bad sinus infection now, and didnt even know it.  He showed my how all my symptoms happen, explained to that while I may not be allergic to Chlorine, it is still very irritating to the nasal passages.

So in the end, i got a rather messed-up sinus pathway (its genetic supposedly).  He is signing me up for this standard "MIST" surgery.  He explained to me that my passage ways are small enough that after the surgery I will be able to significantly tell a difference in breathing.  More-so, I will be able to nose breathe at a much higher rate.  He also mentioned something about a special gas which is only released when you nose breathe, which makes it easier to adsorb oxygen.  Ill need to research that more to understand it.

Ill schedule the surgery after tri-season, like late Oct/early Nov.  Thats typically the start of my sloth time anyway.  Recovery is like 4 weeks after that for which during that time I shouldn't workout for longer than 1 hour.  The hope is by the new year I will be a bionic super athlete with a new outlook on breathing.

 
Juxtatarot said:
I'd post what my watch says my "fitness age" is but that's probably even more silly.
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I love my Garmin watch "Insights".  My favorite is for swimming (Male 40-44):

  • You swim father than 99% of other users
  • You spend more time swimming than 96% of other users
  • You swim faster than 45% of other users
HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK AT ME!!!  I SPEND TONS OF TIME IN THE POOL AND STILL SUCK AT SWIMMING!!11!1!

 
Zasada said:
Naive Canadian tourist checking-in.

Any LA runners here?  I'm staying at a hotel near LAX tonight and would like to get an outside (so hate their fitness room) run in before my meetings.  I can't go far as I don't have a ton of time and hate running in the dark.  The area around LAX looks a bit dodgy but if I caught an uber to the beach it looks like there's a path there.  Good/bad?  Idiocy?
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Sorry I missed this, I see your run on Strava.  I could have helped, beautiful area!

 
JAA said:
The timing of the appt was perfect as on Monday this week something happened in the pool which really irritated my sinuses.  Literally sneezing and draining all day long even into the 2nd day.  Even today (Thursday) I still have symptoms.  Such symptoms as pain behind my right eye as well as the sneezing, draining, and overall congestion.
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This was me after every swim.  But then I started wearing nose clips, and the problem was much less.  Then I just recently started wearing these nose clips and now I rarely even sneeze after my swim workouts.  Something to consider?

 
Juxtatarot said:
I had a 305 and a 910XT before my Vivoactive3.  

I'm not a huge fan of the Vivoactive3.  Heart rate worked best when I used my Rhythm+ but when it died I decided to upgrade my watch with a built-in monitor.  If you look at any of my runs on Strava you'll notice inexplicable drops several times during my run which is annoying.  I also have to wear the watch tighter than I'd like to assure a decent reading.

I'm also not a fan of the touch screen for cold weather running.  Sometimes screens change on accident (I think something with the rubbing of my clothing causes it) and since I'm gloved up, I have to use my nose to navigate.  It's particularly bad with a rain jacket I have.  
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I thought it was just me because I’m not used to Garmin and I suck at running.  I’m not really liking the Vivoactive 2 for the same reasons.  Drops almost every time.  I thought it was due to the band, but maybe not.

 I ran my 10k and 5k a couple of weeks ago and I’m pretty sure my hoodie sleeve caused my 10k race info to disappear.  I’m going to get the 735xt soon.  I’m hoping my experience is better.  

 
For watches, I still love my 920xt. I bought it with the HRM-Tri and was pretty cheap. I don’t mind the straps, I find them very accurate for HR. The Tri strap has been great, replaced the battery twice and it still going like a champ. The strap of my HRM-Swim wore out. I emailed Garmin and they sent me a replacement free of charge. Another reason why I bought Garmin stock ;)   well that and is fanboys ... 

I bought my wife the 935xt. I’m not a huge fan, I would choose the 920 over it. 

 
JAA said:
For watches, I still love my 920xt. I bought it with the HRM-Tri and was pretty cheap. I don’t mind the straps, I find them very accurate for HR. The Tri strap has been great, replaced the battery twice and it still going like a champ. The strap of my HRM-Swim wore out. I emailed Garmin and they sent me a replacement free of charge. Another reason why I bought Garmin stock ;)   well that and is fanboys ... 
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:hifive:

 
Brony said:
You stating in Carmel, monterrey, or other? Love that part of the world. Great wine and phenomenal scenery. Really love that Lobos park by Camel. 
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Grue mentioned traveling to this marathon and I thought there's no way someone would travel to Indiana for a marathon.  :unsure: oops. 

 
Good luck, @gruecd!  I was wondering about the wind there since I noticed is going to be windy as #### here tomorrow morning.  It look likes it will be calm there until later in the day.  Hopefully that forecast holds!

 
gianmarco said:
Oooooh, my shoes just came in.

First impressions, obviously, and will need to try them out, but......

1)  Love, love, love these Saucony Kinvara shoes.  They look awesome (normally don't even care about that) and they feel like a complete dream.  I cannot wait to try them out in a little bit.  I can see these being my go-to shoe.

2)  Nike Pegasus 34.  I know I tried it on in the store and liked it and I still do.  But, I tried them again after the Saucony and it makes me appreciate #1 even more.  Tons of cushioning, though.

3)  New Balance Foam Zante....incredibly light but very little support appreciated compared to the other 2.  My first impression is that I don't know if I'm going to like it that much but I can also see it growing on me.  I've been wearing them for the last 10-15 minutes around the house and they feel better than when I first put them on. 

Finally, I'm looking forward to running in these 14's.  I've been in 13's all my life and I'm not used to that much room up in the toe box but I think it's going to make my toes feel so much better.  It doesn't feel like my foot is moving around at all inside given the extra room but we'll see once I get out there.  Of the 3, the New Balance shoes have the most room and the Saucony has the least (still a full thumbnail, though). 
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Hey G something to be aware of as you try these out is the different drop/stacks you’ve got as these 3 are all slightly different. Depending on what shoes you have run in predominantly up to now, a change too quickly to more or less drop could cause some lower leg stuff. Anyway just something to be aware of, sorry for the shoe stalking.  :ph34r:

 
bushdocda said:
Hey G something to be aware of as you try these out is the different drop/stacks you’ve got as these 3 are all slightly different. Depending on what shoes you have run in predominantly up to now, a change too quickly to more or less drop could cause some lower leg stuff. Anyway just something to be aware of, sorry for the shoe stalking.  :ph34r:
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Ha, I appreciate it and it's why I posted it.  I noticed this as well.

So, the Nikes are almost identical to my current Pearl Izumi's.  Same weight (~10.5 oz) and near same drop (8 vs. 10).

The Saucony shoes are noticeably lighter as I mentioned (~8 oz) but also have a much lower drop at 4 mm.  I did notice my anterior tibs were a little sore about a mile into the run and I think that's probably why.  Felt fine afterward but it's why I only did 2 miles in them.

The NB pair is in between at 6 mm so I think it won't be as noticeable.  I plan on trying those out today as we finally have some really nice weather and the rain has let up.

 
gianmarco said:
Ha, I appreciate it and it's why I posted it.  I noticed this as well.

So, the Nikes are almost identical to my current Pearl Izumi's.  Same weight (~10.5 oz) and near same drop (8 vs. 10).

The Saucony shoes are noticeably lighter as I mentioned (~8 oz) but also have a much lower drop at 4 mm.  I did notice my anterior tibs were a little sore about a mile into the run and I think that's probably why.  Felt fine afterward but it's why I only did 2 miles in them.

The NB pair is in between at 6 mm so I think it won't be as noticeable.  I plan on trying those out today as we finally have some really nice weather and the rain has let up.
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Nice - you’re on top of it. I have the same zantes but have not gotten on with them as good as others thus far, need to try a few more times, they feel ok and fast but I notice my weaker right ankle more in them. 

 
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