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Deposed Feudel Theocratic Dictator Loved Worldwide - Who Am I? (1 Viewer)

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If your guess was the Dalai Lama, you are correct.

Penn and Teller on the Dalai Lama fraud

Christopher Hitchens on Dalai Lama

http://www.examiner.com/article/is-the-dalai-lama-a-monumental-fraud

The Dalai Lama blew into town yesterday, and folks here in Louisville responded with what can only be characterized as messianic zeal. Sunday afternoon, he appeared before an enthusiastic throng of 17,000 at the KFC Yum! Center, and the stream of people waiting in line in the hot sun stretched around the block and across the Second Street Bridge, half-way to Indiana. Church leaders and local politicians literally tripped over one another to get on stage for a benediction/photo-op with the 77 year-old Buddhist monk.

Lhamo Dondrub--who claims to be the 14th reincarnation of the Dalai Lama--brought his fund-raising circus to River City (trinkets and pamphlets, photos and audiotapes, for sale in the lobby) to plead for peace and compassion, and to rally support for his long-awaited return to power in Tibet; after the Chinese government kicked him out in 1959.

But there is a lot less to His Holiness the Dalai Lama than meets the eye. If people had even an inkling of what a sordid history precedes this huckster, the lines outside the Yum! Center would be considerably shorter.

Most of the Dalai Lama's American friends received what little knowledge they have about this charlatan from watching movies like "Seven Years in Tibet," "Kundun," and " Shangri-La." Or, they may have heard some Hollywood-types like Marlon Brando and Richard Gere propagandizing on the talk shows about the tragic removal of the Dalai Lama from power, by the evil communist Chinese.

In point of fact, Tibet has been a semi-autonomous province of China for over a thousand years. Until 1959, it was ruled as a theocratic dictatorship, with over ninety percent of the population living as serfs in a feudalistic system of involuntary servitude. Workers were routinely bought and sold as slaves, and punishments for speaking irreverently about the Dalai Lama included eye-gouging and tongue removal. Amputation of hands and feet were commonplace punishments for even minor criminal infractions.

After 1949, the Chinese government started bring reforms to Tibet. It instituted a land reform program to end feudalism and transfer small arable plots of land to the peasants. Generational debt for taxes was abolished, along with slavery and extreme forms of punishment and mutilation. Free schools were constructed across Tibet, along with paved roads, hospitals, rail lines, airports, and rural electrification. The first municipal water and sewer systems were installed, and a telephone service was created. China has invested 310 billion yuan (about 45.6 billion U.S. dollars) in Tibet since 2001. Tibet's GDP was expected to reach 43.7 billion yuan in 2009, up 170 percent from that in 2000 and posting an annual growth of 12.3 percent over the following nine years.

Naturally, the Tibetan landlords and the Buddhist hierarchy--including the Dalai Lama and his minions--violently resisted these reforms, and, by 1955, were in open rebellion against the Chinese government. Aided by Allen Dulles and his Central Intelligence Agency, the ruling Buddhist elite waged a series of bloody battles against the Chinese government. When it was over, the Chinese estimated that as many as 100,000 Tibetans had been killed in the insurrection. The Dalai Lama continues to claim that more than one million Tibetans were massacred by Chinese troops; although that figure is in doubt, due to the fact that Tibet's population at the end of the Second World War was only 1.5 million, and today is approaching 3 million.

Well, we should at least respect the Dalai Lama for fighting those evil Chinese commies, right? Not exactly. The Dalai Lama has continuously referred to himself as a Marxist and has been a vociferous critic of capitalism. He has written: "Of all the modern economic theories, the economic system of Marxism is founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned only with gain and profitability. Marxism is concerned with the distribution of wealth on an equal basis and the equitable utilisation of the means of production. It is also concerned with the fate of the working classes—that is, the majority—as well as with the fate of those who are underprivileged and in need, and Marxism cares about the victims of minority-imposed exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and it seems fair."

His position on other controversial issues seems to fluctuate according to which group he is addressing. Overseas, and in his writings, he equates abortion to murder, and calls homosexuality a sin and a crime. When speaking to U.S. audiences, however, he says he favors abortion when a child will be born "######ed," or when the birth will be an unnecessary inconvenience to the mother. He now says he supports gay marriage, and even calls himself a "feminist" (despite the fact that women were bought and sold as slaves when he ruled Tibet, and polygamy was widely practiced).

In a 1999 Washington Post article titled, In Tibet, a Struggle of the Soul, writer John Pomfret observed: "While love for the Dalai Lama overflows in Tibet, few Tibetans would welcome a return of the corrupt aristocratic clans that fled with him in 1959 and that comprise the bulk of the Dalai’s advisers. Many Tibetan farmers, for example, have no interest in surrendering the land they gained during China’s land reform to the aristocratic clans. Tibet’s former slaves say they, too, don’t want their former masters to return to power."

And yet, our government continues to support this deposed dictator with taxpayer largesse. In Change, Conflict and Continuity among a Community of Nomadic Pastoralist: A Case Study from Western Tibet, 1950-1990, author Melvyn, C. Goldstein describes how the CIA, until just recently, paid the Dalai Lama a personal annual salary of $150,000. Now, "...the National Endowment for Democracy and other conduits that are more respectable sounding than the CIA, the U.S. Congress continue to allocate an annual $2 million to Tibetans in India, with additional millions for 'democracy activities' within the Tibetan exile community. In addition to these funds, the Dalai Lama receives money from financier George Soros."

All in all, His Holiness is a pretty nasty piece of work. Dispelled from his bloody theocratic dictatorship, this "reincarnated" demigod now roams the earth--and places like Louisville--looking for suckers who are ignorant enough of his past and true nature to fork over their dough for a chance to listen to this fraud prattle on about "compassion" and "contemplation." Heck, he's not even a real vegetarian: He refused a vegetable plate and ordered a meat course when he visited President Obama at the White House last year.

The foregoing to the contrary notwithstanding, we are compelled to report that His Holiness the Dalai Lama claims to wash his feet every six months in accordance to his beliefs where, "a dirty foot is a pure foot."
 
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My guess is that this is posted in the wrong forum.

Should be in the FFA unless the Dalai Lama has some connection with the NFL I am not familiar with.

 
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Dalai Lama "Masturbation, anal and oral sex is wrong - pay a prostitute for regular sex instead!"

 
i can only assume that since this is posted in the Shark Pool that he is also a Patriots fan, and has both Trent Richardson AND Christine Michael on his dynasty team.

 
I actually got to meet an exiled Tibetan a few weeks ago. The devastation of their homeland, culture, way of life, their homes, everything, by the Chinese is very real. He and his family live in exile is Bhutan, they like most Tibetans who fleed their home are stateless, without passports. He was able to travel via India which issues a special visa. It's sad, cruel and wrong what has happened to them.

 
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Just a WILD GUESS here, but this article was either written by the Chinese government or paid for by the Chinese government (or perhaps just severely misguided). They're the only source who produces wildly inaccurate bull like this.

Sorry, CSTU. Trying to say a guy who writes and lectures on world peace across all religions and even attempts to engage the monsters oppressing his country with peaceful dialogue isn't the type who has tongues cut out and eyes gouged. This is the worst in propaganda. It just doesn't jive with anything written about or by the Dali Lama --- except by the Chinese, a well known authoritarian regime (ever hear of the Great Firewall).

The history of the lamas during the European dark ages & Renaissance is pretty grim stuff for sure. Sectarian violence was common among competing factions of monks, who were more like religious aristocracy. But the current Lama is as far removed from this as Obama is from American slavery.

You should hear the crap they produce about the Dali Lama inside China. Most of the population, cut off from global news sources, widely believe stuff like this article as truth. If it's true, why do the Chinese feel the need to block out all other sources and let their people decide for themselves? That place is an Orwellian nightmare, so good at what it does most of its own population doesn't even realize it. They just swallow everything the government tells them like it's caviar and rainbows.

 
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There was a resistance movement for awhile in Tibet that was violent for sure. Mikel Dunham wrote a book about it called Buddha's Warriors.

But most monks didn't sanction it and the Dali Lama has been opposed to violent resistance from the start of the invasion. It was mostly Tibetan citizens who rose up.

 
Interesting. I tracked down the source for the article's claim that

Workers were routinely bought and sold as slaves, and punishments for speaking irreverently about the Dalai Lama included eye-gouging and tongue removal. Amputation of hands and feet were commonplace punishments for even minor criminal infractions.
In an anti-Buddhist essay by Michael Perenti ("Friendly Feudalism: the Tibetan Myth"), the claim is credited to a book called The Timely Rain: Travels in New Tibet.

Three interesting things I noticed right away -

1. It was written about "New Tibet," meaning post-Chinese occupation. Meaning the authors never actually went & saw pre-occupation Tibet.

2. 1965 publication date (the invasion was in 1959).

3. The Gelder couple were the first outsiders issued a visa to visit Tibet....by the Chinese government.

More delving shows that Stuart and Roma Gelder were American Marxists (Noted here, but sourced from a much more credible source than the Gelders' account - Tsering Shakya's The Dragon in the Land of Shadows.)

So three years after occupation, the Chinese government lets a couple of American Marxists - ONLY them - to enter Tibet to see what they want them to see, and interview people they want them to interview, much like a North Korean pony show - all to justify China's occupation. This is your source for the eye-gouging and tongue removal by the 14th Dali Lama's government.

Yep. Like I said, Chinese government propaganda. Most accounts like this kind can be traced to them.

 
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with over ninety percent of the population living as serfs in a feudalistic system of involuntary servitude
...as opposed to Maoist China and the Cultural Revolution... where 100% were slaves, with no right to even the most basic of personal property, where not even the most basic rights were even acknowledged to exist.

 
Mao’s legacy in TibetOn 26 December 2013, China held a grand celebration to commemorate the 120th birthday of Mao Zedong (毛澤東). This involves a careful balance for Xi Jinping and other members of the Chinese Communist Party, who hope to exploit Mao Zedong’s rhetoric and status without endorsing his policies or ideology, both of which are contrary to the PRC’s current policies and announced reforms.

In Tibet, there is no contradiction between Mao Zedong’s legacy and his policies. Both were brutal and led to mass arrests, death, and destruction in Tibet. While the PRC quietly distanced itself from some of Mao Zedong’s worst policies after his death in 1976, many continue to cast a shadow over Tibet.

For the next 26 years since PRC’s invasion of Tibet in 1949, Tibetans were subjected to horrific, inhumane conditions. On 23 May 1980, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) publicly apologized for the failed policies that made conditions in Tibet worse than in 1959 and that the then-party general secretary Hu Yaobang accused the Chinese cadres of throwing the money entrusted to them to help Tibetans into the Lhasa River. Despite this acknowledgement, many of the most brutal and destructive policies from Mao’s rule still continue today.

Most importantly, Mao Zedong was responsible for the invasion of Tibet in 1949. Before the Chinese invasion, Tibet was an independent, neighboring state that had aided Mao Zedong and his fledgling fellow communists during the Long March. During the Chinese invasion, thousands of Tibetans died as they attempted to flee from the People’s Liberation Army.

Tibetans are subjected to mass arrests based on fictitious charges. Like when Mao was alive, arrested Tibetans are tortured. The most notorious method of torture from the 1950s, still in practice today in Tibet, is the use of positional torture techniques. These involve, among other things, tying a detainee’s hands behind his back and then suspending the detainee from the ceiling. Often Tibetans are subjected to torture during “interrogation” sessions where their inquisitors ask the same questions they have for over 60 years. Like under Mao Zedong, the PRC is convinced that the spontaneous protests against the Chinese government are instigated and organized by the “Dalai clique” or “hostile foreign forces”. In the 37 years since Mao Zedong’s death Chinese officials still fail to recognize that ordinary Tibetans are not happy with PRC’s policies and treatment.

When Mao Zedong ruled the PRC he created forced labor camps both as a judicial and extra-judicial form of punishment based on the former Soviet Union’s gulags. Referred to as Reform Through Labor (Ch: laogai) and Re-education Through Labor (Ch: laojiao) respectively, by the time the PRC celebrates Mao Zedong’s birthday both of these infamous, antiquated, and brutal methods of punishment will still exist in the PRC. Only recently, has the PRC pledged to abolish Re-education Through Labor. Today, the detainees in the PRC’s forced labor camps are fed black tea and watery vegetable soup, so diluted the vegetables do not add any flavor to the water. This is the same diet the prisoners ate when tens of millions of Tibetans and Chinese were starving to death during the man-made “Great Chinese Famine.” Now, with Mao’s birthday celebrations some in the PRC are attempting to turn one of these spectacular disasters that defined Mao Zedong’s time as president of China, into a less dramatic event by claiming that “only” millions of people starved to death.

In Tibet, the worst part of Mao Zedong’s rule was when the Cultural Revolution plunged “Tibet into the deepest hell.” During the Cultural Revolution, Mao Zedong encouraged people to destroy the “Four Old”: old customs, habits, beliefs and ideas. This threw all of the PRC into chaos but was felt particularly hard in Tibet, which can trace its society back to thousands of years. Irreplaceable ancient medical and religious texts were destroyed. Religious symbols were publicly destroyed and then the remnants were blown up. Sacred wooden blocks were turned into farming implement. The sayings of Mao Zedong were carved into mountainsides over Buddhists prayers. The Cultural Revolution ended with Mao Zedong’s death in 1976. By the end of the Cultural Revolution more than 6,000 monasteries had been destroyed, only 12 were left standing. In short, Mao attempted to take the Buddha’s place as ‘god’ in Tibet. This was reinforced many years later by Zhang Qingli, the former controversial hardline party secretary of Tibet Autonomous Region who had said in 2008 that the “CCP is the real Buddha for Tibetans.”

Mao Zedong’s policies were not only the direct cause of the invasion of Tibet, the starvation of the Tibetan people, and destruction of Tibetan Buddhist relics. Mao Zedong’s policies also set the precedent for the dismal human rights abuses that are still occurring in Tibet today. As the PRC begins to implement reforms and move away from Mao Zedong’s actual policies in the PRC, it should also abandon those policies in Tibet, where, over the past 64 years, they have proven destructive and ineffective.
 
Just a WILD GUESS here, but this article was either written by the Chinese government or paid for by the Chinese government (or perhaps just severely misguided). They're the only source who produces wildly inaccurate bull like this.

Sorry, CSTU. Trying to say a guy who writes and lectures on world peace across all religions and even attempts to engage the monsters oppressing his country with peaceful dialogue isn't the type who has tongues cut out and eyes gouged. This is the worst in propaganda. It just doesn't jive with anything written about or by the Dali Lama --- except by the Chinese, a well known authoritarian regime (ever hear of the Great Firewall).

The history of the lamas during the European dark ages & Renaissance is pretty grim stuff for sure. Sectarian violence was common among competing factions of monks, who were more like religious aristocracy. But the current Lama is as far removed from this as Obama is from American slavery.

You should hear the crap they produce about the Dali Lama inside China. Most of the population, cut off from global news sources, widely believe stuff like this article as truth. If it's true, why do the Chinese feel the need to block out all other sources and let their people decide for themselves? That place is an Orwellian nightmare, so good at what it does most of its own population doesn't even realize it. They just swallow everything the government tells them like it's caviar and rainbows.
It was the 13th Dalai Lama, the current Dalai Lama's predecessor, who outlawed the gouging of eyes and other mutilation, but it still happened.

As late as 1949 the Tibetan government still used mutilation as a form of punishment. In one case involving the killing of an American, six Tibetan border guards were tried and sentenced in Lhasa. "The leader was to have his nose and both ears cut off. The man who fired the first shot was to lose both ears. A third man was to lose one ear, and the others were to get 50 lashes each."[69]
The current 14th Dalai Lama became leader of Tibet in 1950 at age 15 after China had already invaded in 1949 and lost power officially in 1951 when he signed the Seventeen Point Agreement with China. He went into exile at age 24.

None of this is to defend the Chinese, who have done absolutely horrible things. My gripe is with the Dalai Lama pretending that Tibet was a wonderful country for its people before China took over. If he would have held onto his power he might have been a decent guy but would still have ruled of a serfdom, which is equivalent to slavery. Sure, he supports democracy after he's in exile and attempting to get support from Western countries, just unlikely he would have changed the government to a democracy without losing power.

 
None of this is to defend the Chinese, who have done absolutely horrible things. My gripe is with the Dalai Lama pretending that Tibet was a wonderful country for its people before China took over. If he would have held onto his power he might have been a decent guy but would still have ruled of a serfdom, which is equivalent to slavery. Sure, he supports democracy after he's in exile and attempting to get support from Western countries, just unlikely he would have changed the government to a democracy without losing power.
I have to say the insistence on this line is perplexing.

First of all I'm a fan of Hitchens, maybe his reporting on this was good, it's an interesting piece, go back to that in terms of facts. But he himself describes the situation as "China’s foul conduct in an occupied land" and the DL is the representative of Tibet, however you may feel about him it does not change the fact that this post reflects how much of this is sourced from Chinese propaganda and also that the Tibetan cause for freedom from China is a worthy one. Don't let issues with the religion cloud the wrongs caused to the country and the people.

 
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What a dooshbag:

Speaking in Dharamsala in northern India where the Tibetan government resides in exile, the Dalai Lama said in an interview with the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that “When we look into the face of every single refugee, especially the children and women, we can feel their suffering.”

“A human being who is a bit more fortunate has the duty to help them. On the other hand, there are too many now,” he added.

He said that countries taking in refugees should take a healthy look at the situation and realize that it’s not possible for all of the newcomers to be integrated into European society, stressing that the main goal for Europe’s leaders is to provide them with temporary shelter.

“Europe, for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country. Germany is Germany,” he said. “There are so many that in practice it becomes difficult.”

When the first massive wave of migration began in 2015, the Dalai Lama praised states like Germany and Austria for welcoming refugees, while also stressing that every country can only provide decent living conditions to a limited the number of people.

Europe is currently facing its worst refugee crisis since World War II. Some 1.8 million asylum-seekers illegally entered the European Union in 2015 fleeing war and poverty in Middle Eastern countries, according to data from the European Union border agency Frontex.

The Dalai Lama added that “from a moral point of view too, I think that the refugees should only be admitted temporarily,” explaining that they should “return and help rebuild their countries.”

 
Eye gouging? Totally legal if the referee doesn't see it. Also, Dali has a five count to break any chokehold.

Now, if the Dali grabs a handful of tights during a pin attempt, then I could see the hatred

 
Guys, it is feudal. Feud-el must be someone from Krypton. Or maybe a Canaanite pagan god. Or maybe an archangel.

 
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I always did agree that loving the Dalai was worshipping a false idol for the exact reasons Hitchens pointed out, but the Dalai seems to make eminent sense with his latest statements. And he is somebody who should, according to the criticisms of him, know both theocracy and cultural relativism rather well. 

 

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