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LOL at using bulks scoring stats to prove your point. Asiata has had some monster games too. Is he a great RB?
Thanks for the reply. Tough for me to pull the trigger on a possible 1 week only start though.
Yeah I'm almost in the same boat as u (8th pick) and I'm not taking the chance of him not clearing waivers. Unless you're stacked at rb there's no one else you'll be able to pick up to replace ware's production if he goes down.
Asiata put together 3 games in a row as the starter with that kind of production? Not even close, maybe one game.
Last year Charles went down, the Chiefs turned to West (over Ware), and he balled out (as others have documented).
Bulk stats are probably the least helpful when trying to determine who's playing better. The fumbles are a legitimate concern for Ware but other than an injury West will have a hard time out playing him.
IMO this thinking is flawed in that you are insinuating that Charles presence had something to do with the rotation. Now that Charles is gone, West is going to beget his old 2015 role back?Charles has been a complete non factor. Only reason he had his TD game is because West was out and they wanted to test the wheels finally. Look at West touches to Ware touches when neither is on the injury report in 2016.
Same boat, knew I was never going to have a shot thanks to my "unfortunate" winning ways. While our kind of FA process provides parity, every year that goes by I wish we had a FAAB structure. Seems to make more sense.
Well - it's great when you get to acquire anyone you want... but you sometimes look back and think "wish I hadn't spent so much on X player."
Why? He's either gonna clear concussion protocol or he's not. If he clears, it's full steam ahead. If he doesn't, then West is a great play. I don't see this being murky as I don't think he's gonna clear concussion protocol and then not play normally.
I agree, but not as sure as you that West is a jag. we could be looking at two rbs that can produce in this offense. Point is this is an A++ offense to,own a starting or even shared backfield, much like ATL. a sharp contrast to owning a GB or Jax rb, even if lacy had the Lions share of snaps b4 going down he was an rb4.
Uh oh...."The team does not think Alex Smith has a concussion but he's not practicing and Foles will start Sunday". That would fly in the face of our logic.
I actually don't think its this cut and dry, the Chiefs tend to lean on the conservative side when it comes to concussions. IIRC last season Maclin got a concussion against the Vikings, he cleared protocol and practiced on Friday and everyone thought he was good to go on Sunday but they still made him a late scratch vs. the Steelers.
This. If you own both, and you should, it's nice to know Ware will see the lion's share of carries upon his return.
I think it's time to bump this.
So roles have reversed this year as compared to 2015. If you recall, in 2015 West beat out all other RBs on the team when JC went down and took over the starting job last season. Once he had the job West preceded to dominate with elite RB production as the starter for 3 games before going down to injury in his 4th game. Ware stepped in to replace him and never gave the job back and has been uber productive for almost a full calendar year now. He must have worked hard on pass catching skills in the off season because, unlike last year he is now a dual threat back who can catch passes on long routes and already had impressive talent running the ball. Ware has had the starting job for half the year in 2016 and has been productive, but now might miss his first game, with West now healthy and waiting in the wings. I don't think Knile Davis or Sankey are legitimate threats at this point, but that could change I suppose, though not likely. There are 5 possible outcomes I see:
1. West steps in and goes off, meanwhile Ware stays in protocol for multiple weeks and West takes over. (least likely)
2. West fails to be effective and Ware still can't get healthy, but when he does come back the job is his. (not very likely)
3. Ware comes back as the starter this week and its just a scare. (not likely) Grab West if you can for insurance either way.
4. West does great for one game, then Ware comes back and everything is just the same as it was. (more likely than the previous 3)
5. West does enough to get more carries going forward for one or possibly more games, but its still Ware's job when he gets back, just not as valuable as before as West earns a percentage of snaps as he did earlier in the season. West's value is really only for one game, aside from being a high value handcuff or possible flex, but Ware's value diminishes too. (more likely than the previous 4)
West weekly snap counts first 8 weeks:
48%, 41%, 22%, 0%(West inj), bye, 0%,27%,57% (Ware inj)
Analysis:
The odd thing about all this is West getting injured earlier this season actually helps him now, because they had to rush JC back before they should have as the #2 RB for the games West couldn't play. This made everyone realize that JC isn't right for certain now as his knees swelled up after just a few carries and he is going to see Andrews which 9 times out of 10 is the kiss of death for fantasy value.
This news cleared a path to pick up West last week as the clear #2 for the remainder of the season. Astute owners probably already have West on their team so won't be in a bidding war for West this week, but if he is available I think its worth going after him pretty hard considering how quiet KC has been on Ware and how they have treated concussions in the past, especially since the microscope is on KC with how they possibly mishandled the whole Alex Smith concussion situation. It makes sense for KC to sit Ware this week even if he passes protocol imo, and that isn't even confirmed yet.
The other thing is it's not clear if West would have kept his snap percentage up in the 40% range if he stayed healthy. Had West never been injured and his snap counts remained in the 40% range, Ware owners would not be so confident. However, if West never got injured, and his snap counts dwindled to 0%, it would be obvious how KC felt about the RB job. evaluation wise
Ware's performance has been great this year (I am an owner), but he still had some bad games production wise, was also stinking it up vs IND before going down (as far as stats, haven't seen the game yet so jury still out) and has shown he has some problem areas in holding on to the ball. West performed without blemish in his starting role. To be honest, we don't know the team evaluations, but West did win the job back in 2015 and it took an injury for him to lose his job. KC had evaluated him highly enough to surpass Knile Davis which was surprising last season when West supplanted him as the cuff. If West never got injured in 2015 we may not have even known what Ware was capable of doing. I'm not saying West is better than Ware, but as ware owner, I am taking note of West as a potential spoiler long term to his value, even if its not the most likely scenario.
It's an interesting situation. What do you guys think?
