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Charcandrick WEST - Should we be talking about this kid ? (3 Viewers)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
You likely won't get great value right now and RBs who touch the ball 20+ times a game has become a precious commodity. I'm personally going to hold.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Davis got 2 carries. 2. Ride West, especially at home.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I'm starting him the rest of the way.
The Steelers were stout against the run but he still produced.
The Steelers were stout against the run but he still produced.
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
I'm holding since I lost Foster.Riversco said:
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
I had him benched this week too until Dion Lewis was ruled out for me.
Only those who had to start him did so this week.
they could play detroit on mars and i'd have west in my lineup, but thanks for reminding me about the london game
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I didn't expect much out of West this week but thought he had some nice games in him going forward. He arrived sooner than I thought. I'm holding for SURE. The volume alone makes him worth starting and he looked good to boot.
I offered West or Lamar Miller to two other owners (as part of packages, no less) in an attempt to acquire Dion Lewis and Eddie Lacy about two weeks ago. I was soundly rebuffed on both counts. Thank the Lord.
I offered West or Lamar Miller to two other owners (as part of packages, no less) in an attempt to acquire Dion Lewis and Eddie Lacy about two weeks ago. I was soundly rebuffed on both counts. Thank the Lord.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Two weeks ago threw everything I had in FAAB to get this guy in every league I could and he's been worth the wait. 
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
The workload is very encouraging: 22 carries for West, vs 1 each for Thomas/Davis. Plus a few passes.
Even if he isn't as good as Charles (few are), he could easily be an RB2 or Flex starter.
I'm riding the Charc the rest of the way.
Even if he isn't as good as Charles (few are), he could easily be an RB2 or Flex starter.
I'm riding the Charc the rest of the way.
djjosee
Footballguy
the Charc-attack
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Seems like this like a plug and play for KC. Charcandrick is obviously not as good as Charles, but it appears as he'll get the same work load.
Say what you will about Andy Ried, he always provides us a usable running back, and usually a RB1.
Say what you will about Andy Ried, he always provides us a usable running back, and usually a RB1.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
The lesson of this story is get Alfred Blue.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
OooopsDid you misread that? Otherwise, I don't see the humor. Landry still hovering at 10 ypr this year which is pitiful for a WR and he hasn't caught a TD yet. If he doesn't have that rushing TD yesterday, it's another terrible day for Landry unless you get points for catching the ball - that's why I said it better be full point PPR.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I'm trying to buy, based on the fact I lost Foster and am seriously short. I have Rivers and Dalton, the West owner is OK at RB ( Murray but has lost games last two weeks because of his QB's ( Mariota & McCown ). Trying to see if Dalton for West is a go. Also maybe considering offering Dalton & Hopkins for West & Diggs. May seem steep but I'm flagging at RB.
Anybody else made a move for him or sold him ?
Anybody else made a move for him or sold him ?
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thats the type of offer where you stop what you're doing and hit accept as fast as you can before it gets pulled
TartanLion
Footballguy
Yeah I know it seems heavy. I'm loaded at WR though Hopkins, Julio, John Brown, Moncrief. And only have Ivory as a viable RB starter now. There's a chance Hopkins could slide as Texans season fizzles out and Diggs keeps going.
As someone said earlier in the thread there are scant few RBs kicking around getting 20 plus touches a game. Most people simply won't part with them in my league. West is one of the few that that's still gettable as he only has one week under his belt.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Bought him for Tevin Coleman before the Steelers game. Doubt I could get him for that now.TartanLion said:
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
lol...you think I still would take Charcandick over Jarvis Landry? No chance. Landry scored 25 ppr points in little more than a quarter of work, he is simply one of the most explosive players in the NFL.OooopsDid you misread that? Otherwise, I don't see the humor. Landry still hovering at 10 ypr this year which is pitiful for a WR and he hasn't caught a TD yet. If he doesn't have that rushing TD yesterday, it's another terrible day for Landry unless you get points for catching the ball - that's why I said it better be full point PPR.
Now...I will admit I was a little hasty in advising anyone to drop Chacandik, but truly I believe I may have been drunk at the time of that posting, so I will plead the fifth on that one.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Guys, please take this West vs. Landry pissing match somewhere else. No one really gives a #### and it's cluttering up the thread.
Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
Traded Charc and Moncrief for Calvin Johnson. Owner had Foster.
Catbird
Footballguy
Anybody else made a move for him or sold him ?
Charles owner. I gave C.Michael for Charky a couple of days after Jamaal's injury. They seemed to go opposite directions as prospects on Sunday, but still lots of uncertainty for both.
Charles will turn 29 before he can play again. I am hoping West does enough to stay around and fill those shoes when the time comes (and provide injury protection until then).
Charles owner. I gave C.Michael for Charky a couple of days after Jamaal's injury. They seemed to go opposite directions as prospects on Sunday, but still lots of uncertainty for both.
Charles will turn 29 before he can play again. I am hoping West does enough to stay around and fill those shoes when the time comes (and provide injury protection until then).
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He was utilized 27 times vs. PIT so I had to make two videos for him this week.
C. West Week 7 vs. PIT (Part 1)
C. West Week 7 vs. PIT (Part 2)
Keep in mind he essentially ran over the rushing defense who was allowing the 3rd least PPG to RBs going into this game.
My observations..
- He's deceptively good in between the tackles. He's not grinding out yards but he has good enough vision and burst that he can dart through holes pretty quickly. My only beef with him is wasted movement, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread he flails his arms a bunch when changing direction.
- KC is feeding him in the RZ. I'm hoping Ware doesn't step up as a GL option but right now he's seeing a bunch touches/targets in the RZ much like Charles would.
In all honesty, I really do think he has RB1 upside moving forward. There's really only a handful of RBs who dominate touches in between the 20s, in the RZ and receive targets in the passing game. The schedule isn't daunting either, I see he draws SD twice and CLE once in the playoffs. He's a firm hold.
C. West Week 7 vs. PIT (Part 1)
C. West Week 7 vs. PIT (Part 2)
Keep in mind he essentially ran over the rushing defense who was allowing the 3rd least PPG to RBs going into this game.
My observations..
- He's deceptively good in between the tackles. He's not grinding out yards but he has good enough vision and burst that he can dart through holes pretty quickly. My only beef with him is wasted movement, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread he flails his arms a bunch when changing direction.
- KC is feeding him in the RZ. I'm hoping Ware doesn't step up as a GL option but right now he's seeing a bunch touches/targets in the RZ much like Charles would.
In all honesty, I really do think he has RB1 upside moving forward. There's really only a handful of RBs who dominate touches in between the 20s, in the RZ and receive targets in the passing game. The schedule isn't daunting either, I see he draws SD twice and CLE once in the playoffs. He's a firm hold.
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Bloom and Lammey couldn't have sounded less impressed on the recap show. I really don't get it. Here's a guy who is a legitimate three down back with no real competition for carries on an offense that runs through the RB, and everyone is underwhelmed? I get that the KC offense isn't inspiring, but the guy was good in preseason, has some talent, and has as much opportunity as he can handle. I don't see why he's not an RB2+ the rest of the way in PPR. That may not be "season changing", but it's pretty valuable for a lot of teams.
Thanks for the videos. Really, really appreciate those.
Hard to pencil him in as anything more than RB2 after one dud and one good game, but you are correct that he's got RB1 upside. Waldman mentioned his SPARQ score was very good (better than Tre Mason for instance) but cautioned that from what little he's seen of him, his vision didn't appear to be that great. He also mentioned the offensive line is somewhere in the middle of the league. But anyone getting such a huge % of the workload, including goal line, should be a lock for RB2 production and if it turns out he's got better vision than anticipated then he could easily put up RB1 numbers. Charles was getting about 15 carries and 6.5 targets before injury. If West gets that, it should be enough for roughly 100 YFS per game (Charles was averaging 114). Sprinkle in some TDs and you're golden.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
On work-load alone, he's a RB2. Plus he's not a half bad player by my eye. He certainly has the characteristics of an Andy Ried running back.
What's the pessimism here, bad o-line, bad offense? Those issues didn't affect Charles, he put up only slightly less than his typical.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Plus Andy will likely be willing to give him a big workload, something he had tried to keep in-check with Charles.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
The offense will only look better with a Maclin back in there. West is best when he can get the edge and having a second receiving option should give them more ways to clear room for him.
bud29
Footballguy
When it comes to run blocking, the KC OL is actually pretty decent. The main knock on him (in my mind) is that the Alex Smith-led offense tends to stall often, particularly in the red zone. West could have had an even bigger game, as KC got deep into PIT territory often, but had to settle for field goals 3 times. Also, Reid's total lack of creativity this season doesn't do us any favors - many of West's runs were right up the gut. I'd like to see more of the RB screens they ran with Charles.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
I disagree completely. Andy Reid and Alex Smith are the biggest reasons to like the dude.
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bud29
Footballguy
Have you seen Reid's playcalling this year? Quite a bit of the time, I don't think he's being much of an asset to anyone but the opposing team. He'll give West a lot of touches, but in the most unimaginative way possible. Between his playcalling and Smith's execution of those poorly called plays, it's no wonder the Chiefs are awful on 3rd down and in the redzone.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I think the one of the most important variables moving forward is going to be whether or not KC can keep games close and optimally (for our purposes) hold a lead. West actually saw mores carries last week (22) than Charles saw in any game all season. I'm going to assume it's because KC was nursing the lead. There were games where Charles would barely see 10 carries and I have to assume its because of gameflow.
KC is favored vs. DET this week (line moved to -5). I've noticed that KC's defense has played better at home this year as well. I think this will be a good week to roll West out again.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'm sure the close game impacted his usage, but the extra run plays could be due in part to the fact that Maclin (almost 10 targets per game) was out of the lineup.
I agree he should be a good play this week again.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I'm glad West bounced back last week. His performance the week before reminded me of that thread several years ago about Ronald Mealy. You guys who have been around this site for a long time should know exactly what thread I'm talking about.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Anyone trading for him? Interested to see what his value is after a clunker and then a good game.
I was offered West and Cobb for Hopkins, but feel like I can't figure out West's value rest of season.
I was offered West and Cobb for Hopkins, but feel like I can't figure out West's value rest of season.
