Todem
Footballguy
What is your frame size though. I am a large framed guy. So ultimately I want to get down to 180....but that's tough as I do like to indulge in some foods that won't let me. LOL. I do like to eat.
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I need help losing weight and getting back in shape (2 Viewers)
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Todem
Footballguy
I have heard...I know I know....LOL.
sbonomo
Footballguy
In the summer time Ii have no problem getting up at 530 or so for the gym. In the winter time when it is pitch black, I struggle to get out of bed by 6-630 which really rushes my workout. I hate daylight savings.
hagmania
Footballguy
Today is Day 2.
I ate some nonessential sugar today, and the scary thing was I didn't even realize what I was doing at first. Walk into the office, there are folks gathered around our admin's desk, so I walk over and grab something sweet, just chatting with co-workers. It took me a moment to think, WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS ANY LONGER PUT IT DOWN PUT IT DOWN. Mornings are not good to me mentally, and it's evident that I have some terrible habits that need to be broken yet again.
So that's how I had part of a cookie. Threw the rest in the wastebin, scout's honor!
Yeesh... back to the plan.
No oatmeal. I figure the couple bites of cookie were more calories than the whole bowl of oatmeal, and it left me hungrier until lunch than yesterday.
All water today, not even coffee, as some form of discipline for the day two slip. I'm embarrassed even typing it all out, but what good is sharing this if I'm going to lie?
Chicken + vegetables to the rescue for lunch. Same as it ever was. We're back on course, good thing... constant vigilance! Especially with the holidays looming.
(Planned) Broccoli slaw with more veggies and some sort of meat, haven't decided yet. Will pick it up at the store. A favorite standby, was glad I got reminded of it a few posts back.
We're gonna make it.
I ate some nonessential sugar today, and the scary thing was I didn't even realize what I was doing at first. Walk into the office, there are folks gathered around our admin's desk, so I walk over and grab something sweet, just chatting with co-workers. It took me a moment to think, WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS ANY LONGER PUT IT DOWN PUT IT DOWN. Mornings are not good to me mentally, and it's evident that I have some terrible habits that need to be broken yet again.
So that's how I had part of a cookie. Threw the rest in the wastebin, scout's honor!
Yeesh... back to the plan.
No oatmeal. I figure the couple bites of cookie were more calories than the whole bowl of oatmeal, and it left me hungrier until lunch than yesterday.
All water today, not even coffee, as some form of discipline for the day two slip. I'm embarrassed even typing it all out, but what good is sharing this if I'm going to lie?
Chicken + vegetables to the rescue for lunch. Same as it ever was. We're back on course, good thing... constant vigilance! Especially with the holidays looming.
(Planned) Broccoli slaw with more veggies and some sort of meat, haven't decided yet. Will pick it up at the store. A favorite standby, was glad I got reminded of it a few posts back.
We're gonna make it.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
it doesnt matter when you eat..
a carb is a carb it all breaks down into glucose weather its a cupcake or a banana..it all turns into glucose.
losing weight involves eating less calories. calories in vs calories out period....
eat 5000 calories of tuna or eat 5000 calories of donuts ....you will get fat either way.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Can someone help me with this? What does an 18 year old male look like at 5'11" 125lbs? I don't think it's possible.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
"In the latest results posted to his Facebook page on Nov. 5, Haub says his "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 30 points from 153 to 123, while his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, went up from 37 to 46 points. His triglyceride level, another measure of fat, dropped 39 percent."
"According to his food diary, in an average day he would eat Duncan Hinesbrownies, Hostess Twinkies, Cool Ranch Doritos chips, Little Debbie cakes andKellogg's corn pops."
"He tested the theory on himself, trimming his calorie intake from 2600 calories per day to 1800, and eating meals consisting of food typically found in vending machines."
"It may sound too good to be true, but nutrition professor Mark Haub proved you can have your cake and eat it too - by putting himself on a "Snack Cake Diet" and losing 27 pounds in 2 months."
"According to his food diary, in an average day he would eat Duncan Hinesbrownies, Hostess Twinkies, Cool Ranch Doritos chips, Little Debbie cakes andKellogg's corn pops."
"He tested the theory on himself, trimming his calorie intake from 2600 calories per day to 1800, and eating meals consisting of food typically found in vending machines."
"It may sound too good to be true, but nutrition professor Mark Haub proved you can have your cake and eat it too - by putting himself on a "Snack Cake Diet" and losing 27 pounds in 2 months."
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James Daulton
Footballguy
I'm fairly certain I could find a ton of nutritionist who would say exactly that. When you eat matters not. How many calories you eat matters a lot.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
My younger brother goes between 115 and 125 lbs, and he's 5'11". He's 37 years old, too. He looks skinny, but not skeletal.
gussy
Footballguy
I was a distance runner/bicycle road racer/occasional biathalons. It's not that odd. Really.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
High GI ( SUGAR vs Low sugar ) low GI carbs
"CONCLUSIONS:
This study does not support the contention that low-fat LGI diets are more beneficial than HGI diets with regard to appetite or body-weight regulation as evaluated over 10 wk. However, it confirms previous findings of a beneficial effect of LGI diets on risk factors for ischemic heart disease."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277154
1 meal vs multiple ...no difference.
"With the method used for determination of DIT no significant effect of meal frequency on the contribution of DIT to ADMR could be demonstrated."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096
this study shows that one meal a day...It showed that although eating one meal/day as opposed to three caused an increase in hunger, it actually caused a DECREASE in fat mass, it also showed decrease in the catabolic hormone cortisol.
You should not worry about Sugar vs low sugar carbs unless you are a diabetic...it matters to nothing..
you realize if your body has a lack of carbs it uses the protein from ingested or stored ( muscle ) breaks it down sends it to the liver and the liver converts it to sugar via gluconogenis.
"CONCLUSIONS:
This study does not support the contention that low-fat LGI diets are more beneficial than HGI diets with regard to appetite or body-weight regulation as evaluated over 10 wk. However, it confirms previous findings of a beneficial effect of LGI diets on risk factors for ischemic heart disease."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277154
1 meal vs multiple ...no difference.
"With the method used for determination of DIT no significant effect of meal frequency on the contribution of DIT to ADMR could be demonstrated."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096
this study shows that one meal a day...It showed that although eating one meal/day as opposed to three caused an increase in hunger, it actually caused a DECREASE in fat mass, it also showed decrease in the catabolic hormone cortisol.
You should not worry about Sugar vs low sugar carbs unless you are a diabetic...it matters to nothing..
you realize if your body has a lack of carbs it uses the protein from ingested or stored ( muscle ) breaks it down sends it to the liver and the liver converts it to sugar via gluconogenis.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This is a whole bunch of text that doesn't really help and is just distracting. Nobody is going on a 2000 calorie diet of starburst and expects to come out of it healthier. It is stupid to even discuss.
In the context of standard human consumption a calorie is just a calorie. I am sorry, but it just is. Name me one person that went on a diet and said ok I need to cut down to 1500 calories a day so that means I can have 5 twinkies, two juice boxes, 3 hohos, 2 cokes and one piece of licorice every day. Then stuck to that diet for 2 months and was legitimately confused by the outcome.
That's like being in Miami and overhearing somebody say thank god it never snows here and pointing out that it snowed in 1977. Don't be that guy.
gussy
Footballguy
The ex I mentioned a number of pages back popped in to town today. She's getting married a week from today in Chile (that's a whole DIFFERENT story). Pops me a text around 10:30 "where are you"? Took her out to lunch, last time I'd see her for a while. (I did ask if she was asking me to ride down on my bike in my assless chaps and save her from the mistake she was about to make, lol) Either way, no dinner leftovers. Went to the golf club. I'm learning new things all the time as I'm "trying" to make better decisions. Had the Turkey/Feta melt. Bascially a turkey and swiss sandwich on pumpernickel with feta sprinkled on top. Spinach and tomatoes and cranberry sauce. It was delicious. Substituted the cottage cheese for the french fries. Went about 900 calories, leaving me with just under 900 for dinner, and I can get that up by walking later today. Feta cheese. HOLY CRAP. Not good. Didn't realize until I put it all in myfitnesspal. Cranberry sauce not as bad as I'd imagined. Could have made a better choice, but I think all in all, still on track.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Unless every nutritionist on the planet has been ignoring data collected in the last few years, they would know that nutrition timing isn't nearly as important as what you eat. Some studies show that there is zero benefit, but I've read that it comes down to the individual. For some people, eating a big breakfast and small dinner works great. For others, skipping breakfast and eat a huge dinner works just as well.
But don't take our word for it. Ask uncle google.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I was 5'11, a buck twenty, with some nasty acne in 8th grade. It's as bad as it sounds.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Most (all?) cheese is a quiet calorie count killer. It doesn't fill you up and reduces your wiggle room later. If you can do without dairy, or at least very little per day, while you're losing I'd recommend that.
James Daulton
Footballguy
You seem to be on the right track. Catalog everything you take in, and count all your non-everyday exercise. Hell, cooking, yard work, shopping, golf, these all burn calories that you can count. And your 1,800 target is spot on. Keep us updated gussy (if for no other reason than so we can see your avatar).
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Todem
Footballguy
I am sure his health is great.
Not.
Muscles are ####, his mind is ####. He is not functioning at a high level. That is not a way to feel and be healthy. That will catch up to you quite fast.
Purely a weight loss thing...not a health thing. So his levels dropped. he will still not feel and look healthy. Awful.
You truly are what you eat. He must be a sugar and salt raving lunatic. But his levels are great!!! LMAO.
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cstu
Footballguy
Cheese is one thing I do miss but I had to cut it from my diet since it's not worth the calories.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
If someone has a lot of weight to lose and are truly serious about getting healthy then they should do it anyway they can. If it takes eating #### to get down to a weight that will allow them to be more active and then eat better food then so be it. I don't recommend it but it's better to do something than nothing.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I think it might be worse physiologically and psychologically to lose 50 pounds and then gain it back, as opposed to just never losing it at all. That's just my opinion and isn't really based on a study.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
His blood levels improved..not sure how that doesn't mean he's not more healthy.
If your blood work is good than you are more than likely pretty healthy dude.
I probably have a worse diet than anyone and I'm healthy and look solid
I eat anything from Arbys to zaxbys to 2 lbs of hamburger a day with rice roni packets.
It's fuel.
And the whole point of the professor was to prove that restricted calories loses weight. It's that simple.
Eat fish and rice if you want "healthy"
If your blood work is good than you are more than likely pretty healthy dude.
I probably have a worse diet than anyone and I'm healthy and look solid
I eat anything from Arbys to zaxbys to 2 lbs of hamburger a day with rice roni packets.
It's fuel.
And the whole point of the professor was to prove that restricted calories loses weight. It's that simple.
Eat fish and rice if you want "healthy"
cstu
Footballguy
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I didn't miss it on my sandwiches, but there was a void at dinner time, depending on the dish obviously. I had a lot of problems going dairy-less while I was in lose mode, but based on what I wanted to do I kinda had to sacrifice it. It's now back on some of my sandwiches again and cottage cheese mixed w/fruit is now my go-to post afternoon workout food.
shader
Footballguy
900 for dinner is a piece of cake. I love having meat and veggies for dinner. You can have a huge slab of meat, and then a big pile of veggies. If you're eating chicken or fish you can do a lot of damage and keep it under 900 calories.
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sbonomo
Footballguy
i think i would cut off my left nut before i cut out cheese. Find the gym or go outside and walk a bit extra.
gussy
Footballguy
I guess one other positive that I forgot to share is that she drank a boulevard right in front of me and I stuck to water. She asked me briefly about it and that was it. This girl had her flaws for sure, never could have been married to her, but she was always super supportive of anything I did and believed in me. I think it's the reason I've kept her around, lol. For my ego. That, and the fact she's 14 years younger than me and weighs less than half I do
cstu
Footballguy
I agree with you on this but can you agree that it's more difficult to control calories if you have have a large breakfast?
If I have a breakfast that is 1/3 of my calories (650) then that leaves me with 12 hours left in the day to only eat 2/3rds of the day's calories (1350) vs. being able to split my meals into a 1000 calorie lunch and 800 calorie dinner. This is basically a Spanish diet.
sbonomo
Footballguy
i don't get this. You cut out cheese (standard string cheese snack is 80-100 calories) but drink milk (8 oz glass of 2% 120-130 calories)????
Politician Spock
Footballguy
In my past I went from 263 pounds to 199 pounds in six months via calorie counting and a lot of exercise. I was so sick of the diet and exercise that when I reached my goal it was a HUGE relief that it was over. A few years later I weighed 281 pounds. I felt like I had wasted all that effort and sacrifice I made.... as I should, because I did.
I do not recommend any method of losing weight that is temporary at best.
shader
Footballguy
Ultimately, no method that results in a weight loss of 64 pounds is "temporary at best". It comes down to personal decisions after the weight is lost. It's easy to say that whatever you are doing now is working, but what if you fall off the wagon in 3 months and go back to 280? Does that mean that what you did to lose weight isn't important?
I do agree that many people struggle with the transition from "dieting" to "maintenance". But the reason for that is mental, imo.
For instance, if you have cut sugar and refined carbs out of your diet as a way to lose weight, thinking that you can add them back once you get to your desired weight, you'll likely add the weight back.
Similarly, if your goal is to count calories, run and get to your desired weight, thinking that once you get there it will be like high school again, you'll ultimately fail there as well.
But if you know going in what the plan is once you arrive, and stick to it, you can maintain no matter what you did to get there.
mitchh1124
Footballguy
When you eat doesn't matter
So you prefer to skip over scientific journals and use bro science instead..that says carbs at night are stored as fat....
Example of how the body works
10 oz steak
Person a eats it in one meal
Person b
Splits into 5 2 oz meals
Person B digest the food every 2 hours
Person A takes 10 hours to digest the whole thing
Both for a total of 10 hours
Get the same amount of nutrients
It's simple
Humans are not that black and white or we would have been extinct long ago
Logically from a survival stand point
Why would the body waste nutrients ? Storing at as fat when it doesn't know the last meal
You realize storing fat and then having to use it for energy takes energy.
Your body only stores excess calories.
So you prefer to skip over scientific journals and use bro science instead..that says carbs at night are stored as fat....
Example of how the body works
10 oz steak
Person a eats it in one meal
Person b
Splits into 5 2 oz meals
Person B digest the food every 2 hours
Person A takes 10 hours to digest the whole thing
Both for a total of 10 hours
Get the same amount of nutrients
It's simple
Humans are not that black and white or we would have been extinct long ago
Logically from a survival stand point
Why would the body waste nutrients ? Storing at as fat when it doesn't know the last meal
You realize storing fat and then having to use it for energy takes energy.
Your body only stores excess calories.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
I hated that six months. I kept eating the foods I liked, but I limited it to only 2000 calories. I was hungry too much. Only desire to reach my goal kept me focused to not get rid of the hunger by eating something. I forced myself to wait, or if I had no calories left for the day, I went to bed starving. I hated all the exercise I was doing. Again, only desire to reach my goal kept me doing it. Anything a person does that they hate is temporary.
As far as transitioning to "maintenance", again eating just 2000 calories of the foods I loved made me miserable because of how hungry I always was. Like I said before, if you eat bad food, you will naturally end up eating more calories than your body needs. The person will hate doing "maintenance" amount eating of that kind of food just like they hated the diet that lost them the weight.
The only way to lose weight and keep it off is to eat good food for the body. You wont have desires to eat that you have to mentally fight against. The weight will come off, and when it does you just keep doing what you did while losing the weight. You will naturally eat the amount of calories your body needs.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
mitchh1124
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I found that establishing a cut off time helped with this problem. I wouldn't eat after 7 something at night. If I knew I was going to get hungry then I went to bed early, but typically I was fine as long as I got to bed by 11. This both controlled calories and ensured a better night's sleep, win-win.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
Naturally a bit thicker than most. At my current muscle mass I'd hit 0% BF at around 155, so 170 is 10% BF. I'd be shredded and all kinds of awesome in the 165 range, but that is going to be really tough to hit.
Biggest issue is not hitting up more food after dinner, particularly on non-cycling days when I don't get the 1000-1500 calorie deficit easily.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Pretty much everyone at Cracker Barrel is getting two to three times that in their breakfast.
Some days I'll have a couple eggs and an orange. Other days I'll have oatmeal and a banana or strawberries. 250 calories is plenty for breakfast.
Sand
Footballguy
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
That's a breakfast for a kid in middle school. No adult does this.
ETA: but I get your point.
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shader
Footballguy
I see what you're saying. Look, if someone tries to eat 1800 calories a day of french fries, pop tarts and ice cream, they will likely crack and they will likely be miserable.
In reality all you really did the second time is cut calories without knowing it, by cutting out the crap foods. You can't eat as much steak, chicken and veggies as you want and lose tons of weight. You can lose water weight which will trick people, but ultimately your 2nd big weight-loss journey was done by cutting calories as well, you just went about it in a way that was easier for you.
I'd argue that cutting out sugar and refined carbs is more sustainable than eating junk all day, but ultimately that's just anecdotal.
For many people, they just can't cut out the crap totally. Maybe they want a bowl of ice cream a few times a week, or a cheeseburger with fries. A deprivation diet (depriving yourself of a certain type of food) fails just as regularly as a calorie cutting diet. All diets or lifestyle changes are quite difficult.
Otis
Footballguy
mitchh1124
Footballguy
mitchh1124
Footballguy
Breakfast depends on your weight...
I burn 3000 calories a day if I just sat in bed all day.
My breakfast consist of
12 inch subway tuna or whatever I want
Bag of chips
2 chocolate chip cookies
1 medium Coke
2000 calories or so
I burn 3000 calories a day if I just sat in bed all day.
My breakfast consist of
12 inch subway tuna or whatever I want
Bag of chips
2 chocolate chip cookies
1 medium Coke
2000 calories or so
