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Flint, Michigan lead poisoning in water supply (1 Viewer)

Why do Republicans love to piss poison into the water of poor kids?
Ann Arbor has a plume of #### under the ground laying right next to its water supply. Ann Arbor is rich, white, liberal and the State isnt pushing the clean up the way it should. Western Wayne county has wanted to tap into the Ann Arbor water even though they know the water has the potential to be dirty, to get off the expensive price of Detroit water. Western Wayne county is middle to upper middle class. Its always about the money. Money knows no color other than green. Its greed and saving dollars and cents.

 
There's brain eating amoebas that keep showing up in the water in NOLA.

I fear this kind of thing is more rampant than anyone realizes.

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
It is hard not to include incompetence. Where were all the water engineers screaming what a horrible idea this was? Flint was bankrupt and under court order to reduce water rates by 30%. There was a ton of mismanagement and it wasn't just that they were willy nilly trying to reduce cost for the hell of it.

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.

EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.
And the city manager who signed off on the use of the water supply was conveniently not in the room, as he refused the invitation to go in front of people to testify. They're considering serving him with a subpoena. Good. They should. And guess what? No Governor Rick Snyder either. Easy to lay the blame at the feet of those who actually had the guts to go in there and testify. Republicans? Personal responsibility? bwahahahaha...

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.
And the city manager who signed off on the use of the water supply was conveniently not in the room, as he refused the invitation to go in front of people to testify. They're considering serving him with a subpoena. Good. They should. And guess what? No Governor Rick Snyder either. Easy to lay the blame at the feet of those who actually had the guts to go in there and testify. Republicans? Personal responsibility? bwahahahaha...
Because Republicans are 0% responsible from a root cause point of view, which is how thinking people look at these problems. Liberals look at these problems in a non-thinking emotional way, that's how they end up blaming someone 100% when they are 0% responsible. Add this one to the long list of examples of liberals being always wrong, but never in doubt.

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.
And the city manager who signed off on the use of the water supply was conveniently not in the room, as he refused the invitation to go in front of people to testify. They're considering serving him with a subpoena. Good. They should. And guess what? No Governor Rick Snyder either. Easy to lay the blame at the feet of those who actually had the guts to go in there and testify. Republicans? Personal responsibility? bwahahahaha...
Because Republicans are 0% responsible from a root cause point of view, which is how thinking people look at these problems. Liberals look at these problems in a non-thinking emotional way, that's how they end up blaming someone 100% when they are 0% responsible. Add this one to the long list of examples of liberals being always wrong, but never in doubt.
Bizzarro World.

 
Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.
And the city manager who signed off on the use of the water supply was conveniently not in the room, as he refused the invitation to go in front of people to testify. They're considering serving him with a subpoena. Good. They should. And guess what? No Governor Rick Snyder either. Easy to lay the blame at the feet of those who actually had the guts to go in there and testify. Republicans? Personal responsibility? bwahahahaha...
Because Republicans are 0% responsible from a root cause point of view, which is how thinking people look at these problems. Liberals look at these problems in a non-thinking emotional way, that's how they end up blaming someone 100% when they are 0% responsible. Add this one to the long list of examples of liberals being always wrong, but never in doubt.
Bizzarro World.
I would never go as far as saying the governor/city manager bear no responsibiltty but to suggest they knowingly poisoned the water is just not supported by facts and It's ven a more bizzare partisan claim to suggest so. Somebody somewhere with some level of competence should have been kicking and screaming that this was a terrible idea.
 
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Know little of the topic. Yes, I watch bill Maher.

Said cost cutting measures lead to this.

Response?
Expert says 100% of the responsibility lies with the employees at Michigan's DEQ.

EPA had a chance to be a hero but blew it.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-congressional-hearing/79728072/

Liberals understood months ago that the EPAs culpability in the matter was politically damaging to them, so they undertook a massive effort starting with Rachel Maddow to convince the low information public that the Republican Michigan governor was solely at fault. On this political front, they have been somewhat successful. But experts agree Governor Snyder was not the root cause of the problem.
He also said that the EPA covered it up. When the EPA's expert was screaming about how dangerous it was, his bosses shut him down and didn't allow him to talk to the people of Flint or to Marc Edwards. When an email he wrote about the danger got circulated to the ACLU and to Edwards, he was rebuked. and the EPA apologized for that email becoming public.

A lot of disgust here....

 
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Was reading earlier this morning that the state employees in the Flint region/district offices had voiced concerns of the water quality and the governor had initiated steps to have purified water available for the state buildings and its employees.

Obviously that could be coincidental but, boy, it does not help the public opinion.

 
Was reading earlier this morning that the state employees in the Flint region/district offices had voiced concerns of the water quality and the governor had initiated steps to have purified water available for the state buildings and its employees.

Obviously that could be coincidental but, boy, it does not help the public opinion.
It wasnt. He did it over the concerns of the poisoning.

 
Was reading earlier this morning that the state employees in the Flint region/district offices had voiced concerns of the water quality and the governor had initiated steps to have purified water available for the state buildings and its employees.

Obviously that could be coincidental but, boy, it does not help the public opinion.
It wasnt. He did it over the concerns of the poisoning.
Seriously? Is that confirmed? Was that before or after this story started gaining traction? (With all the things you read on the Internet, it is hard to know what has credibility or not).

Boy, that is amazingly terrible if this was truly known before it all broke apart.

 
Was reading earlier this morning that the state employees in the Flint region/district offices had voiced concerns of the water quality and the governor had initiated steps to have purified water available for the state buildings and its employees.

Obviously that could be coincidental but, boy, it does not help the public opinion.
It wasnt. He did it over the concerns of the poisoning.
Seriously? Is that confirmed? Was that before or after this story started gaining traction? (With all the things you read on the Internet, it is hard to know what has credibility or not).

Boy, that is amazingly terrible if this was truly known before it all broke apart.
Its posted earlier in this thread in a linked article.

The guy should be in prison for his actions. Not for what anyone else did. Repost- What he did was intentional. And not just negligent.

 
accodring to the timeline

January 2, 2015: “The city mails a notice to its customers saying it is in violation of the Safe Water Drinking Act due to elevated presence of trihalomethanes” – a byproduct of disinfecting the water. (As reported by MLive in an October 2015 timeline.)

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A Jan. 7, 2015, notice from the state Department of Technology, Management and Budget, which oversees state office buildings, references a notice about a violation of drinking water standards that had recently been sent out by the City of Flint.

"While the City of Flint states that corrective actions are not necessary, DTMB is in the process of providing a water cooler on each occupied floor, positioned near the water fountain, so you can choose which water to drink," said the notice.

____________________________

Elevated levels of lead didn't become prevalent until February of 2015....

 
Looks like we may need to update the Governor's culpability:

Gov. Rick Snyder’s office was notified about a rise in the number of Genesee County Legionnaires’ disease cases — and their possible link to Flint’s water source — in March, more than 10 months before he held a press conference to inform the public.
This is such a terrible and abuse of power story. Disgusting.

 
The Flint city council Democrats really screwed up by not understanding the water contract with Detroit, and that Detroit could cut them off. Rather than bloviating about how their areas looked like war zones (which they probably do at every meeting) they should have spent some time reading the water contract. They teach you in Contract Claims and Litigation 101 that when you make such a contractual screw up, it's time to "shut up and pay". Apparently Flint was not in a position to "pay" after this screwup, so they just continued down their chosen path.

 
The Flint city council Democrats really screwed up by not understanding the water contract with Detroit, and that Detroit could cut them off. Rather than bloviating about how their areas looked like war zones (which they probably do at every meeting) they should have spent some time reading the water contract. They teach you in Contract Claims and Litigation 101 that when you make such a contractual screw up, it's time to "shut up and pay". Apparently Flint was not in a position to "pay" after this screwup, so they just continued down their chosen path.
They do?

 
The Flint city council Democrats really screwed up by not understanding the water contract with Detroit, and that Detroit could cut them off. Rather than bloviating about how their areas looked like war zones (which they probably do at every meeting) they should have spent some time reading the water contract. They teach you in Contract Claims and Litigation 101 that when you make such a contractual screw up, it's time to "shut up and pay". Apparently Flint was not in a position to "pay" after this screwup, so they just continued down their chosen path.
You are insane

 
The Flint city council Democrats really screwed up by not understanding the water contract with Detroit, and that Detroit could cut them off. Rather than bloviating about how their areas looked like war zones (which they probably do at every meeting) they should have spent some time reading the water contract. They teach you in Contract Claims and Litigation 101 that when you make such a contractual screw up, it's time to "shut up and pay". Apparently Flint was not in a position to "pay" after this screwup, so they just continued down their chosen path.
Trying to figure out if this post is serious or not. :oldunsure:

 
Looks like we may need to update the Governor's culpability:

Gov. Rick Snyders office was notified about a rise in the number of Genesee County Legionnaires disease cases and their possible link to Flints water source in March, more than 10 months before he held a press conference to inform the public.
That's a bombshell.

Holy crap...this Harvey Hollins?

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/12/17/flint-water-coordinator/77474574/

 
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Flint residents were paying 2x the national average in water bills. 3.5x more than Detroit residents. Most expensive water bills of any city in the country and well past what the UN considers "affordable". 

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/16/study-flint-paid-highest-rate-us-water/80461288/
They hould have no problem affording their medical bills and home healthcare for their brain damaged children if this is true.

No worries.

 
In October of 2014 GM stopped using Flint water because it was destroying engines due to the high chloride levels.  Flint could have treated the chloride levels (which lead to the breakdown of the pipes) for dollars a day, but they wanted to "just get through it" until the pipeline to Lake Huron was complete later in 2016.  For all this trouble the city was saving about $2.2 million dollars a year, now the problem will cost U.S. tax payers billions to fix. 

I can't believe Snyder has not stepped down. 

 
So when is the liberal media going to get around into digging into backgrounds of the three charged, especially DEQ engineer Mike Prysby, he seems to be the worst of the lot.  It's been seven freaking days already.   Shouldn't we know their racist history and affiliations by now?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-round-of-criminal-charges-emerge-from-flint-water-crisis-220734750.html
They're busy trying to figure out how and why the lead plaintiff in the Flint water court case was murdered in her home this week.

 
"We're not done, we're a long way from done, we're way far from done."

Wondering if these charges are designed to help them work up the ladder towards the governor's office.

 
Flint — Attorney General Bill Schuette on Wednesday accused two state environmental officials and a Flint water administrator of criminal acts that caused the tainting of the city’s drinking water — and vowed others will face prosecution over the public health crisis.

The criminal charges leveled against Michigan Department of Environmental municipal water regulators Michael Prysby and Stephen Busch as well as Flint utilities administrator Michael Glasgow are the result of Schuette’s investigation of how Flint’s water system became beset with lead leaching from pipes into tap water.

“These charges are only the beginning, and there will be more to come, that I can guarantee,” Schuette said at a Wednesday afternoon news conference in downtown Flint.

Schuette’s charges against Busch and Prysby accuse them of “willfully and knowingly misleading” federal regulators at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and Genesee County Health Department about the treatment of Flint’s river water.

“When we prove these allegations — and we will — Mr. Busch and Mr. Prysby will be facing five years in prison for this count alone,” Schuette said.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/04/20/flint-water-crisis-charges/83274126/

 
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6 state employees criminally charged in Flint water crisis


FLINT — Six state employees were criminally charged this morning in district court in connection with the Flint water crisis.

Charged are Michigan Department of Health and Human Services workers Nancy Peeler, Corinne Miller and Robert Scott, and Michigan Department of Environmental Quality employees  Liane Shekter-Smith; Adam Rosenthal and Patrick Cook, according to testimony this morning in Flint’s district court.

Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette and Todd Flood, the Royal Oak attorney heading the AG's investigation, discussed the charges at an 11:30 a.m. news conference at U-M Flint.

"Some people failed to act, others minimized harm done and arrogantly chose to ignore data, some intentionally altered figures ... and covered up significant health risks," he said.

In April, Schuette announced felony charges against two Michigan Department of Environmental Quality officials and one City of Flint official. At that time, he promised more criminal charges would be forthcoming.

The city employee, Mike Glasgow, pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor and is cooperating with the investigation as other charges were dropped. The two DEQ employees, Stephen Busch and Mike Prysby, are awaiting preliminary examinations.

He later brought a civil lawsuit against engineering and consulting firms who had consulted on the Flint Water Treatment Plant.

The civil lawsuit, filed in Flint in Genesee County Circuit Court, accuses engineering firm Lockwood, Andrews & Newnam and environmental consultant  Veolia North America, plus related companies, of causing "the Flint Water Crisis to occur, continue and worsen." Both companies have denied any wrongdoing and vowed to fight the lawsuit.

Flint's drinking water became contaminated in lead in April 2014 after the city, while under the control of a state-appointed emergency manager, switched from treated water supplied from Detroit to raw water from the Flint River, which was treated at the Flint Water Treatment Plant.

DEQ officials have acknowledged a mistake in failing to require corrosion control chemicals to be added to the water. As a result, lead leached from pipes, joints and fixtures into Flint households and harmful lead levels spiked in Flint children.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/07/29/6-state-employees-criminally-charged-flint-water-crisis/87697834/

 
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One of these days I'd like to understand how Flint city water/utilities department employees weren't first and foremost responsible for this. I really haven't followed it so this is just a request for information. It just seems to me it would be city employees who would be monitoring the water quality and informing the city council. When water is first judged to be unsafe wouldn't city employees have learned of this first and if so why did they not send out alarms to the residents then and there?

 
One of these days I'd like to understand how Flint city water/utilities department employees weren't first and foremost responsible for this. I really haven't followed it so this is just a request for information. It just seems to me it would be city employees who would be monitoring the water quality and informing the city council. When water is first judged to be unsafe wouldn't city employees have learned of this first and if so why did they not send out alarms to the residents then and there?
state officials covered it up and fudged lab results.  The EPA was aware of the danger and the coverup, but they did not act.

 

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