No doubt.Buy low.
Neither one catches ball much better than Jason Pierre-Paul.DHB/Coates
One of them will take a step forward. Wheaton is a bum.Neither one catches ball much better than Jason Pierre-Paul.
Hmmmmm...... He needs a big arm QB to be relevant again too.Mike Wallace is still on the market.
Interesting. Wonder if they look at going back to that well if Wallace would accept a cap friendly contract?Mike Wallace is still on the market.
Blackmon, Gordon, Bryant... It'll be someone else next year.Could this be the dumbest human being on earth. Selfish #####
Funny thing all is trueNext 12 months:
Goodell is a Nazi
Weed should be legal
LOL he so stupid
Buy low
This guy will never get it
Trading for him is the shark move
This is probably sound advice especially when I think it takes 4 failed marijuana tests to get your first suspension and before you even get suspended you get fined 2 and 4 games for the second and third failed tests, at least I think that's how it worked. Probably more of a pipe dream or a hope than realistic expectation that someone who got themselves in this situation is going to alter their behavior anytime soon.Houston turmOiler said:Think I'll just avoid all these guys who get the shorter suspension for violation of the substance abuse policy. Seems like most of them always end up here with the full season suspension shortly after. May or may not be true, but at least recently in the cases of Bryant, Gordon, and Blackmon.
I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.In the latest FBG WR dynasty rankings before this came out, Bryant was ranked #14 #20 #14 #19 by my colleagues, and #39 by me. Why so low? My yellow note attached said this: "Had a 4 game suspension at the start of 2015 for substance abuse. Now one strike away from a year long substance abuse ban, holding his ranking down." That note was dated Feb. 25.
This isn't to pat myself on the back (well, maybe a little) but to stress to people that we can't just look at upside when drafting or trading for players (or ranking them), we have to understand and factor in the risks. There was no way with his history he was a top-15-20 value in my mind. Remember, to get a 4 game ban last year he had to have already failed two previous times.
So now he's gone for a year, and people who think they are sharks are going to 'buy low,' but consider that this is not the same as a one year injury. Nothing has indicated he will turn things around, but instead the opposite. Right now he is a lot closer to being the next out-of-football-permanently guy than a buy low value. Blackmon anyone? How many thought they were sharks buying low on him? Yes, Bryant may make it back and have value someday, but I'm not going to assume something that is the opposite of what the facts have shown so far.
I guess if I owned Manziel, I might trade him for Bryant. But of course I'd never own Manziel. And I sure as hell would never flush a 2nd down the toilet for Bryant.So whats his value now. If you were trading for him and had a willing partner, what kind of draft pick is he currently worth? 2nd round pick maybe?
It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things. I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR. You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.
The off the field issues just made it all the more easier to not own him anywhere.
Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things. I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR. You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.
Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.
I didn't say that. I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk. Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.
I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.I didn't say that. I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk. Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.
Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.Per Febuary ADP
Overall
1
Pos
WR
Name
Odell Beckham Jr.
Age
23
ADP
1.33
2
WR
Antonio Brown
27
2.67
3
WR
Julio Jones
26
2.83
4
WR
DeAndre Hopkins
23
3.5
5
WR
Amari Cooper
21
6.5
6
WR
Allen Robinson
22
6.83
8
WR
AJ Green
27
8.17
10
WR
Dez Bryant
27
11.17
11
WR
Mike Evans
22
11.67
13
WR
Demaryius Thomas
28
13.17
14
WR
Alshon Jeffery
25
14.67
15
WR
Sammy Watkins
22
15
16
WR
Keenan Allen
23
16.17
17
WR
Brandin Cooks
22
18.17
18
WR
Randall Cobb
25
20.17
19
WR
Martavis Bryant
24
20.33
22
WR
Jarvis Landry
23
25.67
24
WR
Jordan Matthews
23
26.33
25
WR
TY Hilton
26
26.83
28
WR
Calvin Johnson
30
30.83
29
WR
Devante Parker
22
31
31
WR
Donte Moncrief
22
34.17
32
WR
Julian Edelman
29
35.33
33
WR
Kevin White
22
35.83
35
WR
Kelvin Benjamin
24
36.83
38
WR
Michael Floyd
26
39
39
WR
Dorial Green-Beckham
22
40.33
40
WR
Jeremy Maclin
27
41.67
41
WR
Jordy Nelson
30
41.67
42
WR
Brandon Marshall
31
42.83
43
WR
Emmanuel Sanders
28
44
45
WR
Allen Hurns
24
45.5
46
WR
John Brown
25
45.67
52
WR
Stefon Diggs
22
50.83
55
WR
Josh Gordon
24
55.67
59
WR
Eric Decker
28
60
61
WR
Tyler Lockett
22
60.67
63
WR
Breshad Perriman
20
63.5
65
WR
Golden Tate
27
66.67
69
WR
Devin Funchess
21
70.67
73
WR
Davante Adams
23
73.5
74
WR
Nelson Agholor
22
74.67
75
WR
Doug Baldwin
27
74.83
I've italicized the WRs I think I'd take over Bryant in a startup.. It gets closer to 39 than you think.
You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.
I was agreeing with him in that I wouldn't have had him top 20 regardless of drug use risk.I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.
I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff. There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.
But if the suspension was not an issue and I was just basing his ranking on talent he would be top 20 for me.
That's fine and we'll agree to disagree on the talent which I think is off the charts and easily top 20.You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff. There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.
They kept scheduling him at nap time. Not his fault.Apparantly he missed multiple drug tests, which counts the same as a fail
Maybe so but just read he might check into rehab and his agent said it's a "coping" issue and neither of those things have anything to do with missing a test.Apparantly he missed multiple drug tests, which counts the same as a fail