Dynasty Value Discussion Thread

[Dr. Octopus 10,105]

1 hour ago, travdogg said:

where as Detroit can get better(or worse I guess) 

You see Matthew Staffiord getting better? I think he is what he is at this point - and I also think the coaching staff wants the team to be more run heavy. With that said I prefer Golloday's upside to Kupp as well, but they're close.

[FF Ninja 2,668]

On 4/8/2019 at 5:33 AM, Snorkelson said:

Does anyone think the “2019 class stinks” narrative is a little overplayed? While there isn’t an obvious “elite” player like Barkley/Zeke/gurley it seems to me to be a better wr class than the last couple years. Kind of like the “David Johnson is old” narrative- he’s 26 going on 30. It gets repeated over and over in 2017 that the 2019 class looks weak and it just becomes normalized. Picks are devalued this year because of it, and I’m trying to capitalize. 

Yes, although I still think it stinks for RB & QB. But I think the WR talent far surpasses the 2016 class that this is being compared to. There are some very interesting WRs falling into the early-to-mid 2nd round. I would take JJAW over all but maybe 2-3 of last year's WRs.

On 4/8/2019 at 6:44 PM, ffmail4me said:

Curious to others thoughts between Kupp and Golladay. Been going back and forth in one of my PPR leagues and I’m arguing Kupp has been far more productive when on the field, and I’d say his QB and offense is trending up where Stafford is going the other direction. Am I wrong here or do others feel the same way? 

Most sites rank them very similarly which I think is fair. Kupp is coming off an unsustainable pace and an injury while Golladay is still riding a hype train despite floundering after Marvin and Tate were gone. Both seem overvalued to me. Looking at one set of rankings (which has them at WR17 & WR19), both are several spots ahead of Allen Robinson (WR25). I'm no AR superfan, but I'd easily take him over those two. He's the same age.

[skinfanjon 237]

50 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

You see Matthew Staffiord getting better? I think he is what he is at this point - and I also think the coaching staff wants the team to be more run heavy. With that said I prefer Golloday's upside to Kupp as well, but they're close.

Not only has he long plateaued as a player, but he has a lot more important things to worry about at the moment.  Hope she fully recovers of course, but can't see how this bodes well for his season (which obviously pales in comparison)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/kelly-stafford-wife-of-lions-matthew-stafford-announces-she-has-brain-tumor-161044708.html

Edited April 10 by skinfanjon

[kutta 4,387]

2 hours ago, travdogg said:

Well this is probably the highest anyone is on Kupp. I have Golladay a decent amount ahead of Kupp. I think he's got much more room to grow, and more natural talent. I also worry the Rams offense can really only come down, where as Detroit can get better(or worse I guess) 

I have 5 WR's in this draft class I'd take over Kupp, assuming none of them end up in Baltimore, or other awful situations. 

I also wouldn't trade Kupp for the 1.01 this year.

I'd be willing to wager almost any amount of money that there aren't 5 WR's in this class who will have better careers than Kupp. I could see one or two maybe, but figuring out who those are is going to be tough.

[FreeBaGeL 6,837]

Sure we've probably seen Stafford's peak but this past season was a particularly down year for him and I would expect more raw numbers for him going forward.  He was about 800 yards and 8-10 TDs off his career averages.  We've seen this a lot with these career "pretty good" type players like Eli Manning where their year to year numbers vary pretty wildly.  This past season was the bad variance for Stafford.

On the flipside It seems very likely to me that we've seen Goff's career best year, much like we did with Stafford early on.  Goff put up a crazy unsustainable 10 game stretch to start the season and has since regressed really really badly.

I probably prefer Kupp to Golladay but I think it's more than fair to say the quality of QB play is going to get closer going forward.  I wouldn't be surprised if Stafford has 5+ seasons where he puts up better numbers than he did in 2018 and Goff has 0 seasons where he matches or exceeds his 2018.

Edited April 10 by FreeBaGeL

[roarlions 88]

10 hours ago, roarlions said:

How do people view the value of Breida vs Jaylen Samuels in a 12 team PPR dynasty league? Looks like Samuels is going a little earlier in ADP right now.

Any thoughts on these 2 guys?

[FF Ninja 2,668]

2 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Sure we've probably seen Stafford's peak but this past season was a particular down year for him.  He was about 800 yards and 8-10 TDs off his career averages.  We've seen this a lot with these career "pretty good" type players like Eli Manning where their year to year numbers vary pretty wildly.  This past season was the bad variance for Stafford.

In the last 8 seasons, Stafford has finished: 5, 9, 4, 15, 8, 7, 6, 20... so yeah, people are probably being a little hard on him. That's a top 10 (or top 9) finish in 6 of 8 seasons and an average finish of 9.25, so he's been pretty reliable and much better than Manning who has played longer and only had 5 single digit finishes.

6 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

On the flipside It seems very likely to me that we've seen Goff's career best year, much like we did with Stafford early on.  Goff put up a crazy unsustainable 10 game stretch to start the season and has since regressed really really badly.

The guy is only 24 and threw 4688/32 while ranking 10th in pass attempts... plenty of room to grow. Stafford, on the other hand, peaked at 5038/41 while ranking 1st in pass attempts.

[FF Ninja 2,668]

8 minutes ago, roarlions said:

Any thoughts on these 2 guys?

Roster cloggers that will always be waiting for an injury to be relevant. Neither one will ever be a player you want to start in week 1 (unless there's a preseason injury to the starter). 

[Snorkelson 2,849]

4 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Roster cloggers that will always be waiting for an injury to be relevant. Neither one will ever be a player you want to start in week 1 (unless there's a preseason injury to the starter). 

I’d add that even if you sat on them and they become free agents they won’t be the kind of guys that will get a starting gig somewhere- unless of course there’s an injury and they have a solid showing in the meantime. I imagine pit could add someone in the draft as well. 

[menobrown 2,700]

16 minutes ago, roarlions said:

Any thoughts on these 2 guys?

Samuels by about two Breida's.

[kutta 4,387]

1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Sure we've probably seen Stafford's peak but this past season was a particularly down year for him and I would expect more raw numbers for him going forward.  He was about 800 yards and 8-10 TDs off his career averages.  We've seen this a lot with these career "pretty good" type players like Eli Manning where their year to year numbers vary pretty wildly.  This past season was the bad variance for Stafford.

On the flipside It seems very likely to me that we've seen Goff's career best year, much like we did with Stafford early on.  Goff put up a crazy unsustainable 10 game stretch to start the season and has since regressed really really badly.

I probably prefer Kupp to Golladay but I think it's more than fair to say the quality of QB play is going to get closer going forward.  I wouldn't be surprised if Stafford has 5+ seasons where he puts up better numbers than he did in 2018 and Goff has 0 seasons where he matches or exceeds his 2018.

Do you think it's a coincidence that Goff's bad stretch started pretty much when Kupp tore his ACL? Maybe it's not so unsustainable with Kupp in the lineup.

[Arodin 2,875]

11 hours ago, roarlions said:

How do people view the value of Breida vs Jaylen Samuels in a 12 team PPR dynasty league? Looks like Samuels is going a little earlier in ADP right now.

Samuels is one injury away from being the starter in an offense that always feeds its primary back.

Breida is one injury away from being part of a 3-headed committee, provided he isn’t the injury (which he has a scary history of).

Samuels easily.

[travdogg 2,069]

4 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

You see Matthew Staffiord getting better? I think he is what he is at this point - and I also think the coaching staff wants the team to be more run heavy. With that said I prefer Golloday's upside to Kupp as well, but they're close.

Maybe not getting better, but playing better. I think there was a bit of a tug of war going on with Patricia and Cooter last season. There was also a lot of turnover with Tate and Ebron leaving, Golladay stepping up, and M.Jones getting injured. Stafford had a lot not go his way last year, but I don't think he's a declining player, not yet anyway. 

Stafford had 700 more yards and 8 more TD's in 2017, and I think its reasonable to expect him to be closer to that than his 2018 numbers, assuming he isn't left with just Golladay again this year. With a healthy Jones, a healthy Johnson, a newly acquired Amendola and a likely rookie in the the 1st 3 rounds, I expect bigger numbers, and Golladay should be along for the ride, with other players taking coverage, which stopped happening down the stretch.

[Snorkelson 2,849]

6 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Maybe not getting better, but playing better. I think there was a bit of a tug of war going on with Patricia and Cooter last season. There was also a lot of turnover with Tate and Ebron leaving, Golladay stepping up, and M.Jones getting injured. Stafford had a lot not go his way last year, but I don't think he's a declining player, not yet anyway. 

Stafford had 700 more yards and 8 more TD's in 2017, and I think its reasonable to expect him to be closer to that than his 2018 numbers, assuming he isn't left with just Golladay again this year. With a healthy Jones, a healthy Johnson, a newly acquired Amendola and a likely rookie in the the 1st 3 rounds, I expect bigger numbers, and Golladay should be along for the ride, with other players taking coverage, which stopped happening down the stretch.

He needs some pass protection. All the weapons won’t buy him more time.

[travdogg 2,069]

3 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

He needs some pass protection. All the weapons won’t buy him more time.

Well, Decker should be better, another year removed from injury, and Ragnow should take a major step forward in year 2.

[FF Ninja 2,668]

11 hours ago, travdogg said:

Maybe not getting better, but playing better. I think there was a bit of a tug of war going on with Patricia and Cooter last season. There was also a lot of turnover with Tate and Ebron leaving, Golladay stepping up, and M.Jones getting injured. Stafford had a lot not go his way last year, but I don't think he's a declining player, not yet anyway. 

Stafford had 700 more yards and 8 more TD's in 2017, and I think its reasonable to expect him to be closer to that than his 2018 numbers, assuming he isn't left with just Golladay again this year. With a healthy Jones, a healthy Johnson, a newly acquired Amendola and a likely rookie in the the 1st 3 rounds, I expect bigger numbers, and Golladay should be along for the ride, with other players taking coverage, which stopped happening down the stretch.

It wouldn't hurt if they gave him an NFL TE, too. It's been a while since he's had one. Wait, has he ever had one?

ETA: I had to look it up. The best season since Stafford took over was by Pettigrew (83/777/5 in 2011 on 125 targets). Would be interesting to see Hockenson there. 

Edited April 11 by FF Ninja

[Snorkelson 2,849]

4 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

It wouldn't hurt if they gave him an NFL TE, too. It's been a while since he's had one. Wait, has he ever had one?

ETA: I had to look it up. The best season since Stafford took over was by Pettigrew (83/777/5 in 2011 on 125 targets). Would be interesting to see Hockenson there. 

I’d be happy with hock fant or even erv Smith I’m the 1st if we can trade back (maybe more than once) and get some extra mid rd picks. If we take Hockenson at 8 I’ll feel we left some defensive talent there we need more. Lions fans, at least I think, want to trade back every year because it always seems we don’t have depth but never do. I think this is the year.

[travdogg 2,069]

3 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

It wouldn't hurt if they gave him an NFL TE, too. It's been a while since he's had one. Wait, has he ever had one?

ETA: I had to look it up. The best season since Stafford took over was by Pettigrew (83/777/5 in 2011 on 125 targets). Would be interesting to see Hockenson there. 

Giant middle finger to Eric Ebron, who certainly looked like an NFL TE with a better QB last year. 

I think Detroit would be making a huge mistake if they took Hockenson at 8. They just spent a decent chunk of change on Jesse James, I think TE depth is still a need, but more of a day 3 need. Somebody like Dax Raymond or Drew Sample.

[FF Ninja 2,668]

2 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Giant middle finger to Eric Ebron, who certainly looked like an NFL TE with a better QB last year. 

I think Detroit would be making a huge mistake if they took Hockenson at 8. They just spent a decent chunk of change on Jesse James, I think TE depth is still a need, but more of a day 3 need. Somebody like Dax Raymond or Drew Sample.

Meh, we'll see if Ebron keeps it up. Remember, he was playing limited snaps when Doyle was healthy. Feels like 2018 will be an outlier for his career. Regardless of what he did in Indy, he didn't play like that in Detroit and I really don't think you can blame QB play on that. Other players thrived during that same time span. 

Also, Ebron only caught 60% of his targets, compared to Doyle's 77% over his career in Indy. Granted they play different roles, but 60% is relatively low for a TE.

I didn't realize Detroit signed Jesse James, but it is worth noting his 2019 cap hit is merely $2,284,000. Total contract value is $22,600,000 over 5 years. Averages out to $5.65M, so like you said a decent chunk, but it's definitely not a big investment. 

[King of the Jungle 892]

8 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Giant middle finger to Eric Ebron, who certainly looked like an NFL TE with a better QB last year. 

I think Detroit would be making a huge mistake if they took Hockenson at 8. They just spent a decent chunk of change on Jesse James, I think TE depth is still a need, but more of a day 3 need. Somebody like Dax Raymond or Drew Sample.

I wouldn’t mind Hockenson at all but agree not at 8. Depending on what happens with QBs there should be a good dline prospect sitting there. If not trade back and try to add selections.

[menobrown 2,700]

12 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Giant middle finger to Eric Ebron, who certainly looked like an NFL TE with a better QB last year. 

 

If you broke Ebron's seasons into halves the most efficient and arguably best stretch of his career was his last 8 games with the Lions. Did not score TD's like last year but the drops were nil and the efficiency was great and was the entire previous season as well. And I've said this a few times regarding him but if you really break down his career other then first half of the the 2017 season he'd been on a steady upward climb with the Lions.

His drops and big mouth made him easy to pile on but really Lions fans should be more upset at inept coaching staff or Stafford for not fully utilizing what in hindsight was a massive red zone weapon and Lions brass for letting him walk after he seemed to turn the corner in 2017. 

 

[Dr. Octopus 10,105]

1 hour ago, FF Ninja said:

I didn't realize Detroit signed Jesse James, but it is worth noting his 2019 cap hit is merely $2,284,000. Total contract value is $22,600,000 over 5 years. Averages out to $5.65M, so like you said a decent chunk, but it's definitely not a big investment. 

It's also worth noting that he's not very good - just a catch and fall down guy.

[ComfortablyNumb 140]

I'm struggling with the PPR value comparison between M Thomas and D Adams - I see them as basically identical. Can anyone offer any clarity?

[Ratbone 151]

4 minutes ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

I'm struggling with the PPR value comparison between M Thomas and D Adams - I see them as basically identical. Can anyone offer any clarity?

Thomas had an amazing catch rate last year. Some of that is Brees being so good. But it would be very tough to repeat. His targets would need to go up to make up for a drop in percentage of catches.  Do you think Thomas gets more than 150 targets? Also, Adams was much more solid on a week to week basis. His consistency was amazing. At least 16 every week. I have them close but Adams higher by about 30 points next season because of my worries about Brees age and the great catch rate. 

[FreeBaGeL 6,837]

19 hours ago, kutta said:

Do you think it's a coincidence that Goff's bad stretch started pretty much when Kupp tore his ACL? Maybe it's not so unsustainable with Kupp in the lineup.

It's certainly possible, but we're talking about the difference between one of the most efficient QBs in NFL history over the first 10 games and a poor man's Christian Ponder in the last 8 (counting playoffs).  That is one heck of a mighty swing to credit to Kupp.

I don't see anything special when I watch Goff play.  Not particularly accurate.  Not particularly good at reading the field.  I think the much more likely truth behind Goff is that he's a system QB in a system that NFL teams are starting to figure out.  I don't expect him to be as bad as he was his last 8 games (counting playoffs) of course, because that's backup QB level play.  But I also don't think we'll ever see him anywhere near the kind of pace he was on through the first 10 games.

[Dezbelief 368]

On 4/9/2019 at 12:35 PM, TartanLion said:

I actually love the 1.05 spot this year if you were able to trade down. I have the 1.02 and am looking to do so but will wait till after the draft just to be sure. I’m sorely tempted to take AJ Brown at the 1.02 and I figure there’s a very very high Chance he would be there at 1.05 ...

Metcalf  - will most likely go 

Harry - likewise 

Butler - getting massive props from a lot of quarters, figures someone inside the top 4 will want that potential upside 

RB with the best landing spot - would be difficult to imagine no RBs going in the top 4 

 

= AJ Brown at 1.05 

I have a 1.05 and would welcome this scenario. I'm projecting my choices to be between Butler/Montgomery. 

[wgoldsph 325]

What rb do you guys think Corey Davis should fetch straight up in a dynasty trade?

[Jello_Biafra 417]

3 minutes ago, wgoldsph said:

What rb do you guys think Corey Davis should fetch straight up in a dynasty trade?

Aaron Jones.

[Zyphros 1,395]

50 minutes ago, wgoldsph said:

What rb do you guys think Corey Davis should fetch straight up in a dynasty trade?

Straight up?  Here's a list of a few that I view close.

Aaron Jones, Leonard Fournette (after his arrest today), Rashaad Penny, Phillip Lindsay, Marlon Mack, Damien Williams, Kenyan Drake and maybe to the right owner Sony Michel or Kerryon Johnson. 

Even some of those might be slight downgrades in value but Corey has done me dirty 2 years in a row now so I'm sour.  Get him off my teams.  

[JoeJoe88 197]

49 minutes ago, Jello_Biafra said:

Aaron Jones.

I can say I have Aaron Jones and the Titans are my team, and I would not trade Jones for Davis.

[kittenmittens 961]

1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Straight up?  Here's a list of a few that I view close.

Aaron Jones, Leonard Fournette (after his arrest today), Rashaad Penny, Phillip Lindsay, Marlon Mack, Damien Williams, Kenyan Drake and maybe to the right owner Sony Michel or Kerryon Johnson. 

Even some of those might be slight downgrades in value but Corey has done me dirty 2 years in a row now so I'm sour.  Get him off my teams.  

I think this is the right range.  To get Dalvin Cook you would have to add something.  

I would want a lot more than just Williams, Penny or Drake.

[kittenmittens 961]

Question for the thread - how do you adjust your player values in leagues with additional FLEX spots?  Some leagues are start 8 (QRRWWWTF) and others are start 11 (QRRWWWTSFFF) - S is SuperFlex - and I think it does impact player values more than most give it credit for.

In the deeper 12-team start 11 players leagues I think player value is quite a bit different than in start 8 leagues.  

Do you bump up the players who are fringe-starter types in start-11 leagues compared to those players value in a start-8 league?  How much?

QBs are clearly wayyy more valuable in the SuperFlex league - I'm only asking about RB/WR/TE.

Edited April 12 by kittenmittens

[wgoldsph 325]

2 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Even some of those might be slight downgrades in value but Corey has done me dirty 2 years in a row now so I'm sour.  Get him off my teams.  

This is exactly why I ask. I'm tired of putting this guy out there so mariota can die midgame.

Sent out offers to the Mack and Fournette owners.  Hopefully will hear something back. Thanks everyone.

[kittenmittens 961]

1 minute ago, wgoldsph said:

This is exactly why I ask. I'm tired of putting this guy out there so mariota can die midgame.

Sent out offers to the Mack and Fournette owners.  Hopefully will hear something back. Thanks everyone.

Would you take a late 1st?  I'm looking to buy for the upside and Sammy Watkins myself....

[wgoldsph 325]

11 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Question for the thread - how do you adjust your player values in leagues with additional FLEX spots?  Some leagues are start 8 (QRRWWWTF) and others are start 11 (QRRWWWTSFFF) - S is SuperFlex - and I think it does impact player values more than most give it credit for.

In the deeper 12-team start 11 players leagues I think player value is quite a bit different than in start 8 leagues.  

Do you bump up the players who are fringe-starter types in start-8 leagues compared to a start-11 league?  How much?

QBs are clearly wayyy more valuable in the SuperFlex league - I'm only asking about RB/WR/TE.

I don't play in these types of leagues so I'm no expert, but I would think it would devalue the fringe players (as there's always going to be someone on the waiver who can potentially catch 40 yards and luck their way into the endzone), and extremely increase the value of players the top tier players who you can count on week in week out.

[kittenmittens 961]

2 minutes ago, wgoldsph said:

I don't play in these types of leagues so I'm no expert, but I would think it would devalue the fringe players (as there's always going to be someone on the waiver who can potentially catch 40 yards and luck their way into the endzone), and extremely increase the value of players the top tier players who you can count on week in week out.

These leagues have 30+ man rosters so the waiver wire is extremely barren. 

 

I screwed up the phrasing and reversed the leagues, that was probably confusing - fixed.

Edited April 11 by kittenmittens

[wgoldsph 325]

2 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Would you take a late 1st?  I'm looking to buy for the upside and Sammy Watkins myself....

With my team makeup I'm looking at a running back, but all things being neutral I would think long and hard about a late first and Watkins.

[wgoldsph 325]

1 minute ago, kittenmittens said:

These leagues have 30+ man rosters so the waiver wire is extremely barren.

I think my point still stands.  Everyone is starting a Brandon lafell or laquon tredwell, during the bye weeks, it doesn't matter at the end of the year there's 10 points between them overall.

[wgoldsph 325]

1 minute ago, kittenmittens said:

Thanks, I was thinking just the late 1st.  Sammy Watkins is an example of a player I "bought low" on when his situation was horrible the way Davis' is - I'm concerned about getting a similar outcome with Davis but I think it's worth the risk.

Difference with Watkins is buffalo is a team that's always in rebuild.  The titans aren't going to move their no1 pick from two seasons ago.  Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about tenn.

That being said just a late 1st is probably too light for me.  I'm not enamored with any of the rookies outside of Izabella and he'll be long gone by then.

[kittenmittens 961]

1 hour ago, wgoldsph said:

I think my point still stands.  Everyone is starting a Brandon lafell or laquon tredwell, during the bye weeks, it doesn't matter at the end of the year there's 10 points between them overall.

I don't think it stands.  You're saying depth players have the same value whether they are starters or bench players?  

Some teams are starting crap in their 10th and 11th starter spots, others aren't. 

[Zyphros 1,395]

2 hours ago, wgoldsph said:

This is exactly why I ask. I'm tired of putting this guy out there so mariota can die midgame.

Sent out offers to the Mack and Fournette owners.  Hopefully will hear something back. Thanks everyone.

Not sure if you saw in the trade thread, but a couple days ago I traded Corey and 2.12 for Penny and 1.11.  Some felt I even lost the trade but I'm super happy with it.  

[wgoldsph 325]

2 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

I don't think it stands.  You're saying depth players have the same value whether they are starters or bench players?  

Some teams are starting crap in their 10th and 11th starter spots, others aren't. 

And I'm assuming the people who are starting crap in the 11th spot are starting a stronger 2nd rb or wr, which I think is more valuable than the less than one point difference per game you'd find between the 100th and 160th wr.

[kittenmittens 961]

2 hours ago, wgoldsph said:

And I'm assuming the people who are starting crap in the 11th spot are starting a stronger 2nd rb or wr, which I think is more valuable than the less than one point difference per game you'd find between the 100th and 160th wr.

That isn't the question...

The question is whether the WR50 is more valuable in a league where that player starts every week vs in a league where that player is usually on the bench. 

[FF Ninja 2,668]

13 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

Question for the thread - how do you adjust your player values in leagues with additional FLEX spots?  Some leagues are start 8 (QRRWWWTF) and others are start 11 (QRRWWWTSFFF) - S is SuperFlex - and I think it does impact player values more than most give it credit for.

In the deeper 12-team start 11 players leagues I think player value is quite a bit different than in start 8 leagues.  

Do you bump up the players who are fringe-starter types in start-11 leagues compared to those players value in a start-8 league?  How much?

QBs are clearly wayyy more valuable in the SuperFlex league - I'm only asking about RB/WR/TE.

It's a huge difference in strategy for me between start 8 leagues and start 11 leagues, especially with the added info that we're talking about 30+ man rosters.

With the small starting lineups, you basically have to go studs and duds. Depth does you very little good unless you have an injury and in that case, you're already behind the curve. With the larger lineups and rosters, I basically give up on the name brand studs and focus on value plays, particularly the guys with upside... even better if they have some youth. So guys like Moncrief, Keelan Cole, Albert Wilson. Just load up on those types. Odds aren't good for any one of them to hit big, but they should be serviceable 10th or 11th starters and if one or two hit big then you end up a lot better off than the teams that blindly stuck with studs and duds despite the different settings.

As for bumping players up, I've found that the values stay relatively flat (speaking about auction values) but it's more about redirecting who you target. So if you ignore the brand names like I mentioned you might end up with Robert Woods (WR17 - 16.6 ppg) as your WR1 while other teams have guys like Julio (WR4 - 20.6 ppg), but as long as you've got a guy like Marvin Jones (WR29 - 12.9 ppg) as your 11th starter when the studs and duds teams are starting someone like Chris Hogan (WR96 - 7.1 ppg), you've more than  made up that 4 ppg difference at the top of your lineup. And if Marvin were to regain his 2017 form (14.1 ppg), then you're crushing it.

[hispeedthinmint 118]

What is the value of Carr & Matt Ryan in start 1 QB? I tried to get Ryan for E. Sanders & was turned down. Would trading Sanders for Carr be fair for both? Also thought about trying to add my 3.12 rookie pick to Sanders for Ryan

Edited April 12 by hispeedthinmint

[tangfoot 1,356]

Just now, hispeedthinmint said:

What is the value of Carr & Matt Ryan in start 1 QB? I tried to get Ryan for E. Sanders & was turned down. Would trading Sanders for Carr be fair for both?

It depends how many teams are in the league.  QBs are essentially next to worthless in 12-team (or lower) leagues.

That said, I don't think anyone is paying more than a handful of used tissues for E. Sanders.

[Dr. Octopus 10,105]

2 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

What is the value of Carr & Matt Ryan in start 1 QB? I tried to get Ryan for E. Sanders & was turned down. Would trading Sanders for Carr be fair for both? Also thought about trying to add my 3.12 rookie pick to Sanders for Ryan

I think the issue is that Sanders is 32 and coming off a devastating torn Achilles injury. I don't think many would even want to roster him let alone give up any kind of value whatsoever for him.

[menobrown 2,700]

7 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I think the issue is that Sanders is 32 and coming off a devastating torn Achilles injury. I don't think many would even want to roster him let alone give up any kind of value whatsoever for him.

In short roster FFPC league I don't think anyone cut Sanders, for sure not in my leagues.  You certainly touched on the negatives but reportedly he is progressing well and it was encouraging that Denver did not cut him and save a good chunk of salary.

In an FFPC style league I would for sure take Sanders over Carr(who was cut in most leagues of mine) and I would also take Sanders and 3.12 over Ryan.

[Dr. Octopus 10,105]

23 minutes ago, menobrown said:

In short roster FFPC league I don't think anyone cut Sanders, for sure not in my leagues.  You certainly touched on the negatives but reportedly he is progressing well and it was encouraging that Denver did not cut him and save a good chunk of salary.

In an FFPC style league I would for sure take Sanders over Carr(who was cut in most leagues of mine) and I would also take Sanders and 3.12 over Ryan.

I’d agree on Carr since he’s pretty worthless but would keep Ryan over Sanders and the pick. Denver was on the hook for like $6.5MM even if they cut him, but you are right they would have saved money. I’m just not going to trust a guy that’s 32 coming back from an achilles year. Surely not impossible but I just don’t think it’s worth the risk because how great will he be even if healthy?

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I’d agree on Carr since he’s pretty worthless but would keep Ryan over Sanders and the pick. Denver was on the hook for like $6.5MM even if they cut him, but you are right they would have saved money. I’m just not going to trust a guy that’s 32 coming back from an achilles year. Surely not impossible but I just don’t think it’s worth the risk because how great will he be even if healthy?

If they'd cut him they'd have still owed him $1.5 and he would have counted $4.2M in dead money. Instead they decided to pay him his over $10M and take on a cap hit of close to $13M. In net cutting him vs retaining him was exactly $8.75M. In essence they decided to give him $8.75M for one year instead of cutting him.  Maybe they don't know a thing about his progress from his achilles but that seems doubtful to me  so I found it highly encouraging they retained him. As for how good he'll be if healthy I"d think pretty good, he was excellent last season and I think Flacco is an upgrade on Keenum.

In FFPC I recently gave 3.12 for Trubisky and I put him at least on par with Ryan. Trubisky was cut in other leagues of mine, as was Goff and a bunch of older QB's. Just to easy to find and Ryan is to up and down for me. I know he had a good year last year but Ryan is to up and down for me and I think I can get a comparable QB and basically free Sanders who I think IF healthy has 2 solid WR2 type seasons left in his body.