Holy crap. Wasn't it no contact too? What a freak thing it must have been.I think I remember hearing that, at the time of the injury, had they not been able to get him to the hospital as quickly as they did, he could have lost the leg or even worse. It was a pretty catastrophic injury. Not surprising it could be career-threatening.
there's an anatomical reason for it, my guess. non contact injuries like this are very often due to anatomical anomaliesHoly crap. Wasn't it no contact too? What a freak thing it must have been.
Bridgewater is making strides and Vikings officials are pleased with where he's at. But other doctors around the league know there are no guarantees Bridgewater will be able to return to the type of quarterback he was, if he makes it back to the NFL at all.
Reading the article, the headline is slightly misleading.
Bridgewater's doctors aren't saying this...."doctors" are commenting on it.
Not saying they're right or wrong, but player can (and have) survived this injury, and there's no direct report that Bridgewater is actually in jeopardy of never playing again.
Total bush league reporting.
It's bush league to report a doctor's opinion as anything authoritative when that doctor hasn't examined the patient. Why did he even mention doctors? Why didn't he just say random people? He wanted to add credibility, that's why. The problem is that a doctor that hasn't examined the patient isn't credible. If an IRS agent came by and told you you owed them 25k from last year's taxes even though they haven't audited you, would you find him credible and write him a check?all adam schefter is saying is that doctors around the NFL are concerned for bridgewater's future. that's not bush league reporting. if competent team doctors feel this way, it's newsworthy.
if the NFL's medical sharing database is anything like the MLB's, and i'm sure it is to a certain extent, other team's doctors have access to some basic diagnosis, injury info, scans, and rehab meds/activities, not to mention it's a pretty small fraternity and i'm sure a lot of them talk with each other. it's not like these are a bunch of joe schmos, MDs, just chiming in for ####s and giggles.
did you just reply to my post without reading it? because it really seems like you did.It's bush league to report a doctor's opinion as anything authoritative when that doctor hasn't examined the patient. Why did he even mention doctors? Why didn't he just say random people? He wanted to add credibility, that's why. The problem is that a doctor that hasn't examined the patient isn't credible. If an IRS agent came by and told you you owed them 25k from last year's taxes even though they haven't audited you, would you find him credible and write him a check?
This is the phrasing you use when you are glad that it happened to an #######.Couldn't happen to a nicer guy and better role model.
Is there any evidence that this data sharing is happening?did you just reply to my post without reading it? because it really seems like you did.
did you just reply to my post without reading the article? because it really seems like you did.did you just reply to my post without reading it? because it really seems like you did.
It's a misleading headline because it implies that it's Teddy Bridgewater's doctor (who is "concerned Bridgewater will never play again").all adam schefter is saying is that doctors around the NFL are concerned for bridgewater's future. that's not bush league reporting. if competent team doctors feel this way, it's newsworthy.
if the NFL's medical sharing database is anything like the MLB's, and i'm sure it is to a certain extent, other team's doctors have access to some basic diagnosis, injury info, scans, and rehab meds/activities, not to mention it's a pretty small fraternity and i'm sure a lot of them talk with each other. it's not like these are a bunch of joe schmos, MDs, just chiming in for ####s and giggles.
Is there any evidence that this data sharing is happening?
Because I am unaware of anything like it.
It's a misleading headline because it implies that it's Teddy Bridgewater's doctor.
It's called "sensationalism" and it's click-bait.
This is hack journalism.
did you just reply to my post without reading the article? because it really seems like you did.
It didn't say "doctors that have reviewed Bridgewater's records think" or "doctors familiar with Bridgewater's injury, rehab, and progress think". It was "other doctors around the league know there are no guarantees". You know who else knows there are no guarantees? Every single person ever. We don't need a doctor to tell us that and citing the doctor was an attempt to buy legitimacy where none existed. "As one doctor who's worked with NFL teams said this week, 'If he didn't make it back, it wouldn't surprise me. This is a bad injury, about the worst knee injury a player can have.' " is another beauty. If you poll 1000 doctors 1001 of them wouldn't be surprised by that. It's really hard to surprise a doctor a medical stuff because, you know, they all "know there are no guarantees" It's a horrific injury. He could have lost his leg without incredible immediate treatment. Of course it's not going to surprise a doctor if there are long term consequences.
Thank you for clarifying.you're talking about the bleacher report article. i'm talking about schefter's report and i never said anything about the headline of the bleacher report article. they're two different things and i couldn't really care less about the headline some schmuck editor at bleacher report slapped on to some writer's synopsis of schefter's report.
Not really. It's actually irrelevant since everyone heals differently and ever injury is different.schefter's report is fine. it's newsworthy to know what doctors around the league think about bridgewater's injury. they're pros. they deal with traumatic injuries all the time. and they likely have a decent more bit of info on the injury than we do.
it happens a lot to random Joe's who think they can go play basketball for a weekend tournament because they did in high school. I know because I treat them. most people give up organized team sports before this may have a chance to happenWhy doesn't this happen more often? This was non-contact so even if it was a 1 in a million occurrence this should happen like a few thousand times a year to just people walking around.
It's fairly credible....you're on the Internet, after all.that's my opinion based on limited facts at my disposal and my professional experience
All clubs have been directed to re-confirm that they have reviewed their internal data protection and privacy policies and that medical information is stored and transmitted on password-protected and encrypted devices; and that every person with access to medical information has reviewed and received training on the policies regarding the privacy and security of that information.
Ad hominem, the tool of the weak mind. You go ahead and make all the assumptions you want to accept this crap as legit journalism. You'll be real successful with that.nope. i specifically addressed schefter's report as quoted in the article. you asked me why did he mention doctors AFTER i had already stated why i thought league doctors were more qualified to talk about this than joe schmo MDs. i'm not sure where adam schefter touched you, but i'm sorry that you are so upset about this.
yes when he tries to come back he will need to adjust his game. that's the only way. he will never be the same playerIt's fairly credible....you're on the Internet, after all.
Kidding of course - your opinion is probably worth 5 of mine based on your profession (or rather based on mine. lol)
It's a devastating injury - and you're right that it's going to be difficult for Bridgewater to come back from it. But it's also possible that he becomes a better pocket passer and it ony affects his ability to scramble.
If this were a RB, TE, WR or defensive player I'd think his career would be in greater jeopardy, but QBs run as an option, not as a primary function of their job. So as a hot sauce guy totally untrained in medicine, I would guess that it's possible Bridgewater plays at a high level again, regardless of whether he loses a step or 2 running the ball.
this is true however professionals who are familiar with these injuries are the next best thing than someone breaking HIPPA and leaking info.I didn't read the article and I am not going to. I am pretty certain this is a bunch of hot air with no new information associated with it.
All I have to know is this. Player injuries are protected health information that is only shared with designated team officials and that information is shared with the coaches and front office in accordance with privacy laws. Normally this information is only shared with the patient, the doctor, next of kin and insurance companies who are bound by law to not share this information with the public.
So who gives a rats behind what some other doctor speculated about this that any other joe couldn't have? They don't know. If they did know then there would be a breach of contract regarding the players privacy and ensuing lawsuits.
When hacks come out and say stuff like this you should know right away that they are full of it. Because of the law.
Stolen laptop could mean compromised health records for NFL
It's HIPAA, not HIPPAthis is true however professionals who are familiar with these injuries are the next best thing than someone breaking HIPPA and leaking info.
would you trust my opinion on an injury over Joe the drywaller? sure I don't know details but I know the body and injuries and rehab... it's what I do every day.
yes, it's a guess, but take it for what it's worth. I was on here saying lacy was done at least 24 hours before any report was based off my experience.
shows how much I type it vs speak it. thanks for the correction appreciatedIt's HIPAA, not HIPPA
I'm a doctor of physical therapy. I have more to offer relating specifically to anatomy, injuries and rehab than any other health care professional except for orthopedic surgeons. I can find the publication that confirms this if you like. my motivation, well that's because I love what I do, and isn't that what these forums are about? isn't that what makes these forums great? I find many people appreciate it. if my car is making a noise I sure don't mind talking to my patients who know cars. or if I have problems with plumbing at the lake home it sure pays to have that plumber coming in at 10:00 so I can pick his brain about using pex.Biabreakable said:Dr Brew was is your motivation for offering unsolicited medial advice on these forums?
My mother is a doctor and just because she can speak a dead language and is good at memorizing stuff it doesn't make her someone whose opinion I would trust more than anyone else. She is as wrong as anyone else.
I don't think putting yourself out there like this is helping your professional credibility. It strikes me as trying too hard to be honest.
Dr. Brew giving us his opinion on a message board and how it may relate to FF performance is one thing. I'd take massive exception to Adam Schefter using Brew on ESPN as an authoritative source on why Bridgewater is never going to be able to walk, ride a bike, tie his own shoes, or handle his own online banking for the rest of his life, however.I take the opposite POV there - I appreciate @Dr. Brew contributing medically based insight and I don't see it as hurting his credibility at all.
i participate on hot sauce community forums as a professional Hot Sauce maker because it's a subject of interest and because I have some expertise, so I would hope that doesn't hurt my credibility in that arena?
i consider us fortunate that someone with Dr.Brew's background is willing to shed light on injuries that few others here are capable of. It's a benefit to this community for sure.
on the early morning Sunday morning radio show I listen to on the way to my market they have a doctor offering similar takes and I always enjoy that segment.
yes shefter reports on the nfl and that's what he does for a living. I'm sure he is closer to the situation than I am. I am offering my opinion based on limited knowledge and facts. people don't want to read it, fine. I've been right on injuries far more often than I've been wrong. this is a very serious injury from what I understand. he will probably play again in some shape or form but I would not be surprised if he had to walk away or if he never was a productive starter again. that's all I'm sayingDr. Brew giving us his opinion on a message board and how it may relate to FF performance is one thing. I'd take massive exception to Adam Schefter using Brew on ESPN as an authoritative source on why Bridgewater is never going to be able to walk, ride a bike, tie his own shoes, or handle his own online banking for the rest of his life, however.
The one on the radio is allarently connected to a number of team trainers. She's careful to back up sources when she has them, or to say when she's just making an informed opinion based on her medical knowledge.Dr. Brew giving us his opinion on a message board and how it may relate to FF performance is one thing. I'd take massive exception to Adam Schefter using Brew on ESPN as an authoritative source on why Bridgewater is never going to be able to walk, ride a bike, tie his own shoes, or handle his own online banking for the rest of his life, however.
I appreciate your professional insight. Hopefully you'all continue to offer it. I'm a little shocked that anyone would take issue with it.Dr. Brew said:I guess we will see. if I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. I try to clarify that what opinions I have are based off my experience and expertise and not the individual. obviously I can't assess them, but my guess is better than most people's in most cases.
I was wrong on Melvin Gordon... I've stayed away due to his microfracture surgery. I felt it'd shorten his career. the list of people who have gotten it and been successful is not long and Melvin is at the top of the list. I felt his career would be short. I still do but he is doing well after that surgery. I am seriously concerned about Jordy Nelson tearing his other acl.
I havealso been right many times. I won't list in fear of looking like I'm "trying too hard" but if you're interested just ask
Dr. Brew said:that's my opinion based on limited facts at my disposal and my professional experience
there isn't any underlying motivation behind my statements and I clearly state that I am making my judgments based off of what I have in front of me.Biabreakable said:So you are vying for a position on the FBG staff. Good luck with your endeavors.
I don't need any advice about Teddy Bridgewaters injury being serious, we all knew that when they sent the ambulances.
What I do as my background in intelligence is to sniff out BS.
I would say you should be more cautious with your evaluations and let the reader decide if your opinion was helpful or not based on its own merits. If it is people will appreciate it. When it is presented as something that you want a pat on the back for, that stinks. Listen to Jene when he talks about things. There are many qualifying statements and he makes clear what he doesn't know while also making clear that he is only speculating or guessing what the specific situation may be. Your comments are laced with more certainty and bravado and I don't consider that to be very careful or objective when there is an underlying motivation behind your statements.
As far as this Teddy Bridgewater stuff. It isn't news. Barely any of the normal Vikings information sites say anything about it. It is completely unrelated to anything that has happened recently with Teddy or the team and it isn't news because there is no new information here.
The title of this thread may as well be: How to troll Vikings fans after their first loss when they may pine for Teddy Bridgewater to be their starting QB instead of Sam Bradford. Lets make sure we crush any silver lining of hope they may have in regards to Teddy's future at this particular moment when it could be the most devastating.
thanks hot sauce! I actually may take you up on that. I am at least trying to offer information to Dr. Bramel as I feel I have something positive to offer. I am considering an interactive blog of some kind or podcasts at the request of others who have liked my information as well. at the very least I'm always here.I appreciate your professional insight. Hopefully you'all continue to offer it. I'm a little shocked that anyone would take issue with it.
I also appreciate that you're always careful to offer it as general opinion rather than trying to sound like a no-it-all.
There's enough uninformed opinion out there flying around - it's refreshing to get a perspective from someone intimately familiar with the types of injuries that effect NFL players.
if you ever want to know about hot sauce, or mediocre FFB insight, feel free to ask.
there isn't any underlying motivation behind my statements and I clearly state that I am making my judgments based off of what I have in front of me.
I couldn't care less what the Vikings are doing, and your statement as such finally points out your bias and reason for your distaste for what i have to say. it is an inferiority complex. you feel I have a bone to pick with the Vikings or are jealous for some reason. I really don't care. the Vikings are doing great. they made an excellent decision to sell the farm for bradford. they should win the division. good for them. I have watched one packer game from start to finish and will root for them but if it wasn't for fantasy football I'd probably have very little interest in the nfl this season. until you said the Vikings got their first loss I didn't even realize what their record was. I am picking them in my survivor league though this week so here's to that.
I guess I'd have some sour grapes too if my team has never won a championship and the one glimmer of hope they had at it may have crumbled from under their feet, literally.
thanks hot sauce! I actually may take you up on that. I am at least trying to offer information to Dr. Bramel as I feel I have something positive to offer. I am considering an interactive blog of some kind or podcasts at the request of others who have liked my information as well. at the very least I'm always here.
I think I'm kind of torn on whose side to take here but am inclined to lean more towards Dr. Brew. A lot of people are worried about posting something they have inside knowledge on, or even just professional knowledge on, out of this fear of being ridiculed. I took that risk by telling people I heard from an inside source that Calvin was retiring about a month before any whisper of it even hit twitter. Got laid into pretty hard for it until it finally became public, but these types of responses are what scares people away from coming out and saying them. And at the end of the day, it's the readers decision to read the posts with interest, or consider it not worthwhile info and move on. Either way, I'd rather have that choice to hear the info and decide then have people decide to NOT post it.Biabreakable said:So you are vying for a position on the FBG staff. Good luck with your endeavors.
I don't need any advice about Teddy Bridgewaters injury being serious, we all knew that when they sent the ambulances.
What I do as my background in intelligence is to sniff out BS.
I would say you should be more cautious with your evaluations and let the reader decide if your opinion was helpful or not based on its own merits. If it is people will appreciate it. When it is presented as something that you want a pat on the back for, that stinks. Listen to Jene when he talks about things. There are many qualifying statements and he makes clear what he doesn't know while also making clear that he is only speculating or guessing what the specific situation may be. Your comments are laced with more certainty and bravado and I don't consider that to be very careful or objective when there is an underlying motivation behind your statements.
As far as this Teddy Bridgewater stuff. It isn't news. Barely any of the normal Vikings information sites say anything about it. It is completely unrelated to anything that has happened recently with Teddy or the team and it isn't news because there is no new information here.
The title of this thread may as well be: How to troll Vikings fans after their first loss when they may pine for Teddy Bridgewater to be their starting QB instead of Sam Bradford. Lets make sure we crush any silver lining of hope they may have in regards to Teddy's future at this particular moment when it could be the most devastating.
Hankmoody said:Ad hominem, the tool of the weak mind. You go ahead and make all the assumptions you want to accept this crap as legit journalism. You'll be real successful with that.
"weak mind" Them Big Words come in small packages!Ad hominem, the tool of the weak mind. You go ahead and make all the assumptions you want to accept this crap as legit journalism. You'll be real successful with that.
Don`t think this news will affect the Vikings plans as Bridgewater is not an upgrade from Bradford.Just saw news that he is most likely not playing next year.
I disagree.Don`t think this news will affect the Vikings plans as Bridgewater is not an upgrade from Bradford.
Teddy had 14 TDs - 9 INTs 3200 yardsI disagree.
Teddy put up those number in his second NFL season. Bradford in his sixth NFL season (seventh year in the league). Bridgewater also ran for 3 TDs in 2015 so really had 17.Teddy had 14 TDs - 9 INTs 3200 yards
Bradford 20 TDs, 5 INTs 3800 yards. Bradford is not an elite QB but he is at least as good as Teddy. With a healthy Peterson they just need to drive the bus and keep it on the road.
Unless they fix that OL it won't matter.Teddy put up those number in his second NFL season. Bradford in his sixth NFL season (seventh year in the league). Bridgewater also ran for 3 TDs in 2015 so really had 17.
ETA: Not saying there's a major difference - but I'd rather have Bridgewater's likely progression. Also I don't think they'll have Peterson next season.
Cut Peterson, spend money on OL. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Can I apply for the GM job.Unless they fix that OL it won't matter.