Dinsy Ejotuz
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Pretend the data was stolen and used to help Russian troll farms target US voters in swing counties.
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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (5 Viewers)
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msommer
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I agree with these four hypothesis and add:
In the past he has actively used distancing his negotiators/mediators from power by insisting to tear up agreements to get more concessions. Exactly the tactics he is now trying to employ on Nafta, Iran, Paris etc. While it really doesn't work well between nation states, in dealing with unsavory types and issues it rather removes plausible deniability (such as seen in his involvement in drafting the lies about Jr's meeting with the Russian in Trump Tower).
Where competent, non narcissistic people involved in such matters seek to insulate themselves from the decision process, he chooses to wade in like a bull in a china shop.
Likely because he doesn't understand that repercussions could reach himself.
Koya
Footballguy
That at best it was being done with agents who had/have close ties with Russia and the Kremlin and it at least appears that SOME level of coordination between American companies and individuals in Trumps closest orbit, and Russia.
So just good campaigning is fine. Good campaigning that appears to be in coordination with historical foreign enemies? Not a good look. When that look actually represents reality? Scandal barely begins to describe the overall picture, in which this is merely one component of an apparent comprehensive and well executed plan to undermine our national security, electoral safeguards and democracy that may indeed have had folks in russia and here stateside working hand in hand to further those aims.
Banger
Footballguy
for one the fact that they had google/facebook in the room helping them modify/manipulate the data/messages....it's basically propaganda for a candidate without disclosures...
Koya
Footballguy
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Oh, I forgot to mention that Bannon was a principal at CA before he came on board with the Trump campaign.
Weebs210
Footballguy
You guys sure seem to do that alot when it comes to Trump and Russia allegations.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
is Weebs an alias?
Koya
Footballguy
Who cares? Why anyone wastes their time even reading at this point I don't know.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
If you take "Weebs" and turn the letters upside down and then rearrange them slightly, you get Peens.
JerseyToughGuys
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Banger
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Breaking: Channel 4 just announced they’re airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Analytica say they won the election for Donald Trump and describe how. This is a car crash airing live on TV. Journalism matters.
12:37 PM - 19 Mar 2018 from Manchester, England
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Breaking: Channel 4 just announced they’re airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Analytica say they won the election for Donald Trump and describe how. This is a car crash airing live on TV. Journalism matters.
12:37 PM - 19 Mar 2018 from Manchester, England
Koya
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JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Koya
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They need to "tease it out" so they better conspire to undertake those illegal actions.
Plus, how do you budget a new client if you don't know what illegal acts you are to perform for them
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saintfool
Dead sexy
Well, according to Parscale, they asked Facebook to provide this kind of support while HRC's campaign did not. They had FB staffer(s) that were active and helping them get the most out of their platform. The issue is not, for me at least, that they got this level is support from FB while HRC did not. That's more on HRC and her campaign strategy team than anything.
What is wrong and/or possibly illegal is CA using their surveys to scrape the data and personal information about those FB users, their friends, and their network. They hid that part of the operation from the public. FB stopped that kind of access for advertisers last summer, I think, after they figured out this happened.
AAABatteries
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This was my immediate reaction. They did put the blurb about it not being regulated but outside that it’s what I expect any Presidential campaign to be doing.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Reminds me of the default response when pedophiles are found with child porn on their computers--they often say they were doing their own private investigations online to try and smoke out predators.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Man. Remember that crazy time in 2017 when there were all kinds of wild and unbelievable rumors about the Trump campaign?!
Sure am glad none of those turned out to be reliable.
Sure am glad none of those turned out to be reliable.
Brony
Footballguy
the video linked above doesn't mention any of the connections with Russia, it just describes how a US based operation used FB to be influential. I agree with Junior that there really isn't anything that scandalous in what that operation Alamo was doing. If they investigated the $ trail to where the $85M came from or showed how CA got their data, there may be something more damning.
Bruce Dickinson
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Honey, I was visiting these adult porn sites to make sure we knew which ones to block the boys from visiting.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Workhorse
Footballguy
I feel the same way. Didn't the Obama campaign do a lot of the same kind of micro-targeting involving FB data from friends of friends? I seem to remember their data team bragging about it and no one batted an eye. The only difference is that Obama's folks had the original FB contacts sign up for information from their campaign as the entry point. CA seemed to be more cloak and dagger about it by hiding it in some kind of political/psych poll.
Banger
Footballguy
then the UK are wasting their time issuing a warrant and searching their servers tonight...we'll see what happens.
cosjobs
Footballguy
“Our job is to get, is to drop the bucket further down the well than anybody else, to understand what are those really deep-seated underlying fears, concerns… It’s no good fighting an election campaign on the facts because actually it’s all about emotion,” Turnbull (Cambridge) said.
cosjobs
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Encyclopedia Brown
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Which guy is Keith Poole?SaintsInDome2006 said:
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Seems likely a foreign entity (or entities) has evidence of lascivious acts on his part that they're hanging over his head as well.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
LOL, you win some kind of prize. The scrappy but impossibly overmatched outside guy? I'll go with Sekulow. - eta - But TBF to myself I am too much a fan of Poole to really make that comp.
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-fish-
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I don't think Trump gives a crap about evidence of lascivious acts at this point. Maybe before the election. Would it matter if some Trump sex tape came out?
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, I think a decent portion of the electorate would have a negative response to something like that. Could be worse depending on what he's doing in it.
Wasn't there some story about how Russian hackers got into state voter databases - but not to worry because nothing was changed/added/deleted?
I wonder what they might have done with that data - in the hands of some capable people, that would be tremendous data mining potential...
I wonder what they might have done with that data - in the hands of some capable people, that would be tremendous data mining potential...
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Well, he clearly is worried about something, otherwise his lawyers wouldn't be making fools of themselves over the Stormy Daniels NDA.
Maybe Trump is into Adult Baby Fetish or something.
lakerstan
Footballguy
Whichever side you are on, you have to admit the channel four videos are an extraordinary insight into the modern political and business climate, and to what extent human psychology can be influenced via less than ethical standards and technology. This is larger than Trump. This is larger than America. This is a GLOBAL methodology for propagandizing and nullifying the competition in politics, business and who knows what else.
I wonder what that follow-up call from Mueller's team will be like..."Oh, Steve, there are a few more things we would like to discuss about the campaign operations...:
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Why would voter databases be more valuable than Facebook data? I would think the kinds of personal profiles one could build up with Facebook's data would be infinitely more valuable.
I guess if they were able to cross-reference that against who is registered to vote, that would help target things a little bit more precisely, but it doesn't sound like a game changer.
The game changer would be sifting through FB data that had been analyzed to figure out who might be the most susceptible to influence, then handing that data off to outside entities who could attack those suggestible voters with highly targeted propaganda. Like bombarding a moderate Muslim with fake news that said Hillary Clinton sold weapons to ISIS, which is an example I saw this morning.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
The U.S. official in charge of protecting American elections from hacking says the Russians successfully penetrated the voter registration rolls of several U.S. states prior to the 2016 presidential election.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Jeanette Manfra, the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security, said she couldn't talk about classified information publicly, but in 2016, "We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."
Jeh Johnson, who was DHS secretary during the Russian intrusions, said, "2016 was a wake-up call and now it's incumbent upon states and the Feds to do something about it before our democracy is attacked again."
"We were able to determine that the scanning and probing of voter registration databases was coming from the Russian government."
NBC News reported in Sept. 2016 that more than 20 states had been targeted by the Russians.
There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Jeanette Manfra, the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security, said she couldn't talk about classified information publicly, but in 2016, "We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."
Jeh Johnson, who was DHS secretary during the Russian intrusions, said, "2016 was a wake-up call and now it's incumbent upon states and the Feds to do something about it before our democracy is attacked again."
"We were able to determine that the scanning and probing of voter registration databases was coming from the Russian government."
NBC News reported in Sept. 2016 that more than 20 states had been targeted by the Russians.
There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.
RedmondLonghorn
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I did imagine it in the post you are replying to. I think it makes the targeting more precise, but not infinitely so. It probably made the ad buys a little cheaper, but I doubt it fundamentally changed the scalability of the operation.
lakerstan
Footballguy
Some states require social security numbers for voter registration. Now they have your entire credit history and spending patterns. Sort of gives me other concerns when they start talking about voter ID laws. Now they have your drivers license too.
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I think it makes it much easier to put specific people into buckets - based on past voter history, and then really target the people you want with specific messages - based on the likelihood of the person voting, and which political party is there preference.
One campaign could be targeted at suppressing reliable D voters, another campaign could be to encourage reluctant R voters to get to the polls.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
The SS number thing would be a concern. I didn't know that part.
Still, I think getting access to more FB data than intended and handing it off to outside actors to utilize disinformation that is precisely targeted is scandal enough, if that is indeed what turns out to have happened.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Those databases can't contain who you voted for though, can they? Do they even contain whether you voted?
