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The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (12 Viewers)
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squistion
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If you are the reporter assigned by your publication to cover The WH Press Briefing, you care. Not too much problem for your employer to find someone else who won't ask questions that will deny them future access.
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timschochet
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I posted this in the election thread as well. It says it all about the stakes in November:
Republicans are betting it all on aging white Trump voters:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/17/republicans-are-betting-it-all-on-aging-white-trump-voters/?utm_term=.e240c87dadcc
In certain ways, the battle over the “dreamers” perfectly captures what has become of the Trump-era GOP. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) has dramatically promised that President Trump and Republicans will work to create a way for these young immigrants to stay in the United States, as part of an effort to nudge the party toward a conservatism that has more appeal to younger voters and to a diversifying electorate.
But Trump and many Republicans have instead embraced an agenda shaped around emphatic, full-blown nativism and xenophobia, bringing that push (such as it was) to a screeching halt. Neatly capturing this, social media is exploding over Trump’s suggestion yesterday (though the context makes it somewhat vague) that some of the immigrants he’s deporting are “animals.”
We are now being treated to a striking spectacle: Ryan and his top lieutenants are working overtime to squash an effort by Republicans to force a vote in the House to provide the dreamers with a path to legalization.
Vulnerable Republicans in the House are pushing a discharge petition that would compel a vote on measures that would grant the dreamers legal status, one of them packaged with fortifications to border security. More than 20 Republicans have signed the petition, meaning that if organizers can get a handful more, it would pass, since Democrats will support it — forcing a full House vote on whether the dreamers will be protected or remain in limbo. Make no mistake: Such a full vote — on a measure legalizing the dreamers in exchange for border security — probably would be successful.
Why don’t GOP leaders want this vote? Apparently because allowing these young immigrants who were brought here as children through no fault of their own to get right with the law, and work and study in America, would depress the conservative base. The Post reports that GOP leaders are delivering this stark message to the rank and file:
Signing the discharge petition and paving the way for passage of a moderate immigration bill could hurt Republicans in November’s elections by depressing conservative turnout and upending leadership’s plans to focus on tax cuts and other GOP successes.
The thinking appears to be that it will turn off the base if Republicans protect the dreamers with the help of Democrats without securing other draconian immigration measures, such as the wall Trump wants.
Driving this appears to be a hard-headed calculation about demographics. Ron Brownstein reports that House Republicans are basically betting their majority on a “generational” gamble:
The Republican bet is that the party can mobilize elevated turnout among their older and blue-collar white base without provoking the young and racially diverse voters who personify the emerging next America to show up on Election Day to defend it. Few things are likely to shape November’s outcome more than whether that bet pays off.
Most indications are that congressional Republicans are genuinely divided on immigration, with many supporting evolution on the issue while many others either don’t want to act or are in sync with Trump’s views. As Brownstein notes, polls show that large majorities of older white voters agree with Trump on most issues, and because Trump is pulling the GOP in a “nativist” direction, this is prioritizing the views of that latter camp.
Of course, the story that recent elections have told is that Trump’s racism and cruel xenophobic agenda have unleashed a massive backlash on the other side of that cultural divide, among young voters, nonwhites and college-educated non-elderly white voters, mostly suburbanites and women, swamping the GOP electorate all over the place. Indeed, it’s telling that vulnerable Republicans want to take action to protect the dreamers, distancing them from Trumpism. Numerous Republicans who signed the discharge petition are in districts that are very much in play.
But Ryan and GOP leaders seem to be betting that if they can keep the aging white Trumpist base energized — while hoping that the anti-Trump backlash subsides just enough among voters on the other side of the divide — they’ll barely hold their majority. So Ryan is in search of the magic solution that will protect the dreamers (giving his vulnerable members some support) while also securing the concessions that Trump wants, so he will sign the bill (preventing Trump voters from staying home).
But here’s the problem: There isn’t any immigration compromise that can pass Congress that Trump would sign. Trump has been adamant that he wants deep cuts to legal immigration and his mighty wall as part of any deal. The immigration proposal Trump wants got the fewest Senate votes of any of the proposals that failed earlier this year. Let’s face it: The president doesn’t want to take in people from “####hole countries“; he just screamed at his homeland security chief for failing to “close down” the border; and, now, he has said at least some of the people he’s deporting are “animals.” Does that sound like a guy who will sign a bill that can pass Congress?
As Brownstein says, the GOP majority will hinge on whether Trump can “succeed in mobilizing high levels of turnout in November from those anxious voters resistant to the changing America,” even as the intensity drops off among the younger, diverse, educated electorate that has driven Democratic wins up until now. As the GOP’s dreamer mess shows, Republicans appear locked into that gamble.
Republicans are betting it all on aging white Trump voters:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/17/republicans-are-betting-it-all-on-aging-white-trump-voters/?utm_term=.e240c87dadcc
In certain ways, the battle over the “dreamers” perfectly captures what has become of the Trump-era GOP. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) has dramatically promised that President Trump and Republicans will work to create a way for these young immigrants to stay in the United States, as part of an effort to nudge the party toward a conservatism that has more appeal to younger voters and to a diversifying electorate.
But Trump and many Republicans have instead embraced an agenda shaped around emphatic, full-blown nativism and xenophobia, bringing that push (such as it was) to a screeching halt. Neatly capturing this, social media is exploding over Trump’s suggestion yesterday (though the context makes it somewhat vague) that some of the immigrants he’s deporting are “animals.”
We are now being treated to a striking spectacle: Ryan and his top lieutenants are working overtime to squash an effort by Republicans to force a vote in the House to provide the dreamers with a path to legalization.
Vulnerable Republicans in the House are pushing a discharge petition that would compel a vote on measures that would grant the dreamers legal status, one of them packaged with fortifications to border security. More than 20 Republicans have signed the petition, meaning that if organizers can get a handful more, it would pass, since Democrats will support it — forcing a full House vote on whether the dreamers will be protected or remain in limbo. Make no mistake: Such a full vote — on a measure legalizing the dreamers in exchange for border security — probably would be successful.
Why don’t GOP leaders want this vote? Apparently because allowing these young immigrants who were brought here as children through no fault of their own to get right with the law, and work and study in America, would depress the conservative base. The Post reports that GOP leaders are delivering this stark message to the rank and file:
Signing the discharge petition and paving the way for passage of a moderate immigration bill could hurt Republicans in November’s elections by depressing conservative turnout and upending leadership’s plans to focus on tax cuts and other GOP successes.
The thinking appears to be that it will turn off the base if Republicans protect the dreamers with the help of Democrats without securing other draconian immigration measures, such as the wall Trump wants.
Driving this appears to be a hard-headed calculation about demographics. Ron Brownstein reports that House Republicans are basically betting their majority on a “generational” gamble:
The Republican bet is that the party can mobilize elevated turnout among their older and blue-collar white base without provoking the young and racially diverse voters who personify the emerging next America to show up on Election Day to defend it. Few things are likely to shape November’s outcome more than whether that bet pays off.
Most indications are that congressional Republicans are genuinely divided on immigration, with many supporting evolution on the issue while many others either don’t want to act or are in sync with Trump’s views. As Brownstein notes, polls show that large majorities of older white voters agree with Trump on most issues, and because Trump is pulling the GOP in a “nativist” direction, this is prioritizing the views of that latter camp.
Of course, the story that recent elections have told is that Trump’s racism and cruel xenophobic agenda have unleashed a massive backlash on the other side of that cultural divide, among young voters, nonwhites and college-educated non-elderly white voters, mostly suburbanites and women, swamping the GOP electorate all over the place. Indeed, it’s telling that vulnerable Republicans want to take action to protect the dreamers, distancing them from Trumpism. Numerous Republicans who signed the discharge petition are in districts that are very much in play.
But Ryan and GOP leaders seem to be betting that if they can keep the aging white Trumpist base energized — while hoping that the anti-Trump backlash subsides just enough among voters on the other side of the divide — they’ll barely hold their majority. So Ryan is in search of the magic solution that will protect the dreamers (giving his vulnerable members some support) while also securing the concessions that Trump wants, so he will sign the bill (preventing Trump voters from staying home).
But here’s the problem: There isn’t any immigration compromise that can pass Congress that Trump would sign. Trump has been adamant that he wants deep cuts to legal immigration and his mighty wall as part of any deal. The immigration proposal Trump wants got the fewest Senate votes of any of the proposals that failed earlier this year. Let’s face it: The president doesn’t want to take in people from “####hole countries“; he just screamed at his homeland security chief for failing to “close down” the border; and, now, he has said at least some of the people he’s deporting are “animals.” Does that sound like a guy who will sign a bill that can pass Congress?
As Brownstein says, the GOP majority will hinge on whether Trump can “succeed in mobilizing high levels of turnout in November from those anxious voters resistant to the changing America,” even as the intensity drops off among the younger, diverse, educated electorate that has driven Democratic wins up until now. As the GOP’s dreamer mess shows, Republicans appear locked into that gamble.
Banger
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POLITICOVerified account @politico 3m3 minutes ago
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Court refuses to halt Apprentice contestant's suit against Trump https://politi.co/2LbOyhE
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Court refuses to halt Apprentice contestant's suit against Trump https://politi.co/2LbOyhE
SaintsInDome2006
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Right now the best hope is Trump will be viewed as a very destructive national bender. Sure you’ve had your problems in the past but people like you, business is good, your rep is good. Then one night you get loaded, smoke crack, grab women, run out on a restaurant bill, punch a friend, shoplift, steal and crash a car, and land in jail.
You're gonna have a lot of work to do to get back to where you were.
You're gonna have a lot of work to do to get back to where you were.
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It's been really interesting viewing all of things dedicated to the US here in London. Was at St Paul's today and they basically have the whole chapel at one end as a memorial to American soldiers in WW2. On one hand, it makes me very proud of our great nation. On the other hand, it impresses the urgency with which we need to course correct. Because another lesson of being here is that empires don't last forever...
Grace Under Pressure
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The proposal: "let's compromise, allow the dreamers and secure the border."
The response: "No! Secure the border. Dreamers, whatever. My kids are dreamers too."
That's about where we are now.
SHIZNITTTT
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/08/trump-urges-dismissal-apprentice-contestants-lawsuit.html
I think that picture is making every Trump supporter's head explode today. The Trumper's think that it is all a lie and these ladies are just doing this for camera time and money. Thank GOD Gloria Allred is here to protect all these innocent victims.
I think that picture is making every Trump supporter's head explode today. The Trumper's think that it is all a lie and these ladies are just doing this for camera time and money. Thank GOD Gloria Allred is here to protect all these innocent victims.
TobiasFunke
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Mentioned this several times before- anyone who thinks the president's legal problems start and end with the Mueller investigation is in for a rude awakening over the next couple years. Zervos' civil suit, Stormy Daniels' civil suit, the SDNY investigation of Cohen, Congressional oversight if the Dems win back the House- all of them are fraught with peril.
Banger
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didn't he promise to stop this? it's was supposed to be easy...
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1
General Motors is cutting its second shift at the Lordstown Assembly plant outside of Youngtown, Ohio, next month. The move could cost 1,500 jobs. This is in the heart of the Mahoning Valley, long a Democratic stronghold that broke toward Trump in 2016.
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1
General Motors is cutting its second shift at the Lordstown Assembly plant outside of Youngtown, Ohio, next month. The move could cost 1,500 jobs. This is in the heart of the Mahoning Valley, long a Democratic stronghold that broke toward Trump in 2016.
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Lutherman2112
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Dedfin
Footballguy
I don't feel bad for them. They voted Trump. I know this is unpopular, but I don't really care. Sometimes lessons are learned the hard way.
Banger
Footballguy
in reality these jobs are likely going anyway regardless of who is President but this was the main part of his MAGA and he's done NOTHING to even try to keep these jobs here.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
We can see the damn press conference live why in this day and time would you have to be present?
SHIZNITTTT
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timschochet
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The problem is they’re going to double down. They’re not going to say to themselves, we were wrong for voting Trump; they’re going to say there’s not enough Trump supporters in Congress that will let him do what he needs to do; the establishment is trying to stop him, etc. And they will go right back to voting for him again.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Tim is right. Insert "Leopard Eating Face Party" joke here.
bagger
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sounds like Putin and Trump have arranged a new payment plan....
(And, I am not even joking)
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
And the US soybean growers will vote for Trump again.
The General
Footballguy
Been an issue for some time now but this sounds pretty ####ty: Over 40% of US struggles to meet monthly basics, 66% make less than $20 an hour
The General
Footballguy
Trump helping Russia soybean farmer and Chinese cell phone maker guy.
This guy just can’t stop helping!
The General
Footballguy
Well the democrat is probably an immoral, lying, sleaze who just pays lip service to their religious values and is bad for their jobs. Oh wait.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
The General
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Jackstraw
Footballguy
There’s a hell of a lot more information available when you are in the White House than what happens at press conferences.We can see the damn press conference live why in this day and time would you have to be present?
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Yeah if you are with Fox news you might get a little tidbit unless of course, someone is spilling the info out as a "spy." But, again at what point does your BS meter just overfill and you call a Liar a Liar?
If you are a respected journalist and you are sitting in those press briefings with Huckabee just spill talking points and outright lies don't you have an obligation to hold Trump's staff accountable?
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
President Trump is really smart.
ETA: The best part is, “So I was able to explain that those were rarely confused with each other.”
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[scooter]
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
- NYT
- This is true but then a real leader who was respected within his own White House wouldn't have this happen to him.
- This is just going to harm the US. It's sad. Their dysfunction leads to more dysfunction. Now the communications team will have even less information and will be even mroe poorly informed. And it's already a constant screwup machine when it isn't a lying machine.
- Amazing. Also, seems important.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Leaving an event so he could return in a helicopter and make a grand entrance was painful to read.
I doubt Trump goes after Gates because like most bullies he won't hit someone who can and will hit back--and hit back harder.
msommer
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
There was a case here in DK where a guy had spent more than $15K on a strip clup, which he claimed he shouldn't pay because he was drunk. Guess how that turned out for him...
timschochet
Footballguy
The White House announcing major cuts to Planned Parenthood today.:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna875276
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna875276
Godsbrother
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whoknew
Footballguy
Who gives a #### about poor women? Most of them probably aren't even white anyway.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah I’m thinking he’s going to be doing a lot of this stuff over the next few months to attempt to energize the base in order to hold on to the House in November.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Agreed. Although I might term them as "progressive" policies, not necessarily liberal per se. But, call it a hole in the wall, it doesn't matter the label. Those are the types of ideas we should be moving towards.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
All Dems should be campaigning on lowering the age of Medicare eligibility by a year the first year they have a majority. Put the pressure on those older voters. Make the difference between the parties clear as a bell.
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