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1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

If Biden wins, then Republicans will just pull out the playbook that they used in 1994 and 2009. They'll exclaim "Socialism!" and pretend to be interested in fiscal responsibility and family values again, and they'll start winning elections again.

Sure, some people (like lazyike) won't be fooled. But most Republicans will return to the flock. People have short memories.

Yep. Expect that the deficit becomes an existential threat to the country starting in 2021

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2 hours ago, lazyike said:

As a former Republican I will not be voting for any Republican who enabled Donald J Trump. Period. Not in 2024, 2028 and so on.

I'm voting for the first time this year and I feel the same way. I don't think I could ever vote for anyone who supported Trump through all of this. The guy is just so clearly unfit and has zero interest in uniting the country, I wouldn't want someone who views his behavior and actions as acceptable leading the country again.

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Oh, wow. Someone said the quiet part out loud.

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How Trump Could Lose the Election - And Still Remain President | Opinion

Happy 4th you filthy animals!

There’s not much dispute IMO about the systemic voter suppression; that is merely corruption in plain view, albeit at amped up levels the past few years.

But the invoking of emergency powers to dispute the election is way out there. That’s flat crazy, it’s not like we live in 1933 Germany.

recap of the opinion piece below:

Trump has a plan to stay in the White House if he loses election, former senator says

Tim Wirth shares theory on how Trump can stay in White House after election loss

Graig Graziosi 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump is scheming to retain power in the event of an electoral loss in November, according to a former Senator from Colorado. 

Tim Wirth published an op-ed in Newsweek where he lays out his theory, apparently inspired in-part by HBO's adaptation of the Philip Roth novel The Plot Against America.

The former Democratic senator begins with an allegation that Mr Trump will attempt to retain power through voter suppression. Mr Wirth alleges there is a strategy to suppress voter turnout by purging voters - especially inner-city voters - from registration rolls and to suppress mail-in voting. He also believes physical polling locations will be limited, especially in urban areas, in an effort to create long lines on Election Day and discourage voting.

Mr Wirth's allegations that there has been an effort in Republican-led states to remove people from the voter-roll is accurate. 

According to data compiled by Mother Jones, between 2016 and 2018, more than 17 million names have been removed from the voter rolls. While names are removed from voter rolls every year due to deaths or citizens leaving the state, the number of voters removed from the rolls since 2016 has significantly increased.

Between 2016 and 2018, states on average removed 7.6 per cent of their voters from the rolls. However, the purge in some states went much further.

Indiana purged the greatest number of voters, removing 22.3 per cent of the state's voters from its rolls. Both Virginia and Wisconsin removed 14 per cent, and Maine, Oklahoma and Massachusetts removed between 11 and 12.1 per cent. 

Mr Wirth's theory about Mr Trump trying to retain power following the 2020 US election doesn't end at the ballot box, however. He believes that - should the president lose - he will claim the vote was rigged and rely on a complicated gambit involving emergency powers and the compliance of Republican legislators to stay in the White House.

According to Mr Wirth, should Mr Trump lose in a scenario where challenger Joe Biden beats him by "decent but not overwhelming" margins in the swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Mr Trump will declare that the vote was rigged. 

He will supposedly blame mail-in ballots and Chinese election interference for the loss and invoke emergency powers to launch a Justice Department investigation into alleged "election hacking" in the swing states.

From there, Mr Wirth claims Mr Trump will stall until 14 December, which is the date when states must appoint their US Electoral Collegeelectors. Because the swing states are each controlled by Republicans, Mr Wirth believes the state legislatures will refuse to certify their electors until the election hacking investigation is finished.

He then claims the Democrats will challenge the investigation and the challenge to the election, which will eventually be taken to the US Supreme Court. Mr Wirth believes the Supreme Court will rule against the Republicans, but will concede that Mr Trump's emergency powers authorise him to continue his investigation. The Supreme Court will also maintain that should the swing states not be able to certify their selectors by 14 December - for any reason - then the Electoral College will have to meet and vote for the president without the swing states included. 

Under Mr Wirth's theory, the Electoral College will then meet without the swing states under investigation, and neither candidate will receive enough votes to secure the presidency. According to Mr Wirth, the contested election would then move to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets to cast one vote towards the presidency. 

Since there are more Republican controlled House delegations than Democratic controlled delegations - 26 Republican to 23 Democrats - the Republicans will be the victors of the vote and Mr Trump will remain in office. 

Mr Wirth claims the plot is not far-fetched, and points to Mr Trump's threat to invoke the Insurrection Actof 1807 to use the US military against demonstrators at the George Floyd protests, but notes later on that the "recent resistance of our military establishment is an encouraging sign and necessary component of the 'people's firewall'".

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26 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Oh, wow. Someone said the quiet part out loud.

:tinfoilhat:

How Trump Could Lose the Election - And Still Remain President | Opinion

Happy 4th you filthy animals!

 

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There’s not much dispute IMO about the systemic voter suppression; that is merely corruption in plain view, albeit at amped up levels the past few years.

But the invoking of emergency powers to dispute the election is way out there. That’s flat crazy, it’s not like we live in 1933 Germany.

recap of the opinion piece below:

Trump has a plan to stay in the White House if he loses election, former senator says

Tim Wirth shares theory on how Trump can stay in White House after election loss

Graig Graziosi 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump is scheming to retain power in the event of an electoral loss in November, according to a former Senator from Colorado. 

Tim Wirth published an op-ed in Newsweek where he lays out his theory, apparently inspired in-part by HBO's adaptation of the Philip Roth novel The Plot Against America.

The former Democratic senator begins with an allegation that Mr Trump will attempt to retain power through voter suppression. Mr Wirth alleges there is a strategy to suppress voter turnout by purging voters - especially inner-city voters - from registration rolls and to suppress mail-in voting. He also believes physical polling locations will be limited, especially in urban areas, in an effort to create long lines on Election Day and discourage voting.

Mr Wirth's allegations that there has been an effort in Republican-led states to remove people from the voter-roll is accurate. 

According to data compiled by Mother Jones, between 2016 and 2018, more than 17 million names have been removed from the voter rolls. While names are removed from voter rolls every year due to deaths or citizens leaving the state, the number of voters removed from the rolls since 2016 has significantly increased.

Between 2016 and 2018, states on average removed 7.6 per cent of their voters from the rolls. However, the purge in some states went much further.

Indiana purged the greatest number of voters, removing 22.3 per cent of the state's voters from its rolls. Both Virginia and Wisconsin removed 14 per cent, and Maine, Oklahoma and Massachusetts removed between 11 and 12.1 per cent. 

Mr Wirth's theory about Mr Trump trying to retain power following the 2020 US election doesn't end at the ballot box, however. He believes that - should the president lose - he will claim the vote was rigged and rely on a complicated gambit involving emergency powers and the compliance of Republican legislators to stay in the White House.

According to Mr Wirth, should Mr Trump lose in a scenario where challenger Joe Biden beats him by "decent but not overwhelming" margins in the swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Mr Trump will declare that the vote was rigged. 

He will supposedly blame mail-in ballots and Chinese election interference for the loss and invoke emergency powers to launch a Justice Department investigation into alleged "election hacking" in the swing states.

From there, Mr Wirth claims Mr Trump will stall until 14 December, which is the date when states must appoint their US Electoral Collegeelectors. Because the swing states are each controlled by Republicans, Mr Wirth believes the state legislatures will refuse to certify their electors until the election hacking investigation is finished.

He then claims the Democrats will challenge the investigation and the challenge to the election, which will eventually be taken to the US Supreme Court. Mr Wirth believes the Supreme Court will rule against the Republicans, but will concede that Mr Trump's emergency powers authorise him to continue his investigation. The Supreme Court will also maintain that should the swing states not be able to certify their selectors by 14 December - for any reason - then the Electoral College will have to meet and vote for the president without the swing states included. 

Under Mr Wirth's theory, the Electoral College will then meet without the swing states under investigation, and neither candidate will receive enough votes to secure the presidency. According to Mr Wirth, the contested election would then move to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets to cast one vote towards the presidency. 

Since there are more Republican controlled House delegations than Democratic controlled delegations - 26 Republican to 23 Democrats - the Republicans will be the victors of the vote and Mr Trump will remain in office. 

Mr Wirth claims the plot is not far-fetched, and points to Mr Trump's threat to invoke the Insurrection Actof 1807 to use the US military against demonstrators at the George Floyd protests, but notes later on that the "recent resistance of our military establishment is an encouraging sign and necessary component of the 'people's firewall'".

This is terrifying.  

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1 hour ago, PinkydaPimp said:

This is terrifying.  

And will definitely happen if he loses.  No doubt about it. 

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54 minutes ago, Neo said:

And will definitely happen if he loses.  No doubt about it. 

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

 

And maybe I'm naive, but I don't it happening.  Nor do I see the GOP going completely along with it.  

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1 hour ago, beef said:

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

My first thought as well ...and I’ll find a way to join in (might have to leave Democratic Illinois to do so).

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5 minutes ago, tri-man 47 said:

My first thought as well ...and I’ll find a way to join in (might have to leave Democratic Illinois to do so).

Yeah I would 100% be there as well

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1 hour ago, beef said:

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

Which plays into his hands.

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Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

On Monday, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced that international students will not be allowed to stay in the country if they attend institutions, like Harvard, that are holding courses online this fall. Their choices are either to transfer to another institution that provides in-person or hybrid (both in-person and online) instruction—or to depart the country and risk not being able to return. Those students who fail to comply with this guidance may face deportation.

The order came down without notice—its cruelty surpassed only by its recklessness. It appears that it was designed purposefully to place pressure on colleges and universities to open their on-campus classrooms for in-person instruction this fall, without regard to concerns for the health and safety of students, instructors, and others. This comes at a time when the United States has been setting daily records for the number of new infections, with more than 300,000 new cases reported since July 1. Moreover, if an institution pursues in-person or hybrid instruction this fall and a serious outbreak of COVID-19 occurs, the institution would face strong pressure not to switch to online instruction, as Harvard and others necessarily did this past March, because to do so would immediately place its international students in jeopardy.

In making plans for the fall, Harvard, like many other institutions, has sought to balance addressing concerns for public health with preserving our academic mission of teaching and scholarship, and we have undertaken careful planning to address the unique circumstances of our community and to enable students to make educational progress safely. We have done so recognizing that the nation is in the grip of a pandemic that poses risks to the health of millions and that threatens to overwhelm our capacity to manage it. We believe that the ICE order is bad public policy, and we believe that it is illegal.

Within the last hour, we filed pleadings together with MIT in the US District Court in Boston seeking a temporary restraining order prohibiting enforcement of the order. We will pursue this case vigorously so that our international students—and international students at institutions across the country—can continue their studies without the threat of deportation.

For many of our international students, studying in the United States and studying at Harvard is the fulfillment of a lifelong dream. These students are our students, and they enrich the learning environment for all. We fervently hope that, before long, the circumstances that necessitate online learning will pass. As a university with a profound commitment to residential education, we hope and intend to resume full in-person instruction as soon as it is safe and responsible to do so. But, until that time comes, we will not stand by to see our international students’ dreams extinguished by a deeply misguided order. We owe it to them to stand up and to fight—and we will.

Sincerely,

Larry

____________________

Lawrence S. Bacow

President

Harvard University

 

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On 7/3/2020 at 8:20 PM, beef said:

Nor do I see the GOP going completely along with it.  

yeah, they haven't done anything like that so far.

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12 minutes ago, song said:

yeah, they haven't done anything like that so far.

yeah, like I said, maybe I'm naive.  something like would cross a line that I think more than just mitt Romney would be against though.

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1 hour ago, beef said:

yeah, like I said, maybe I'm naive.  something like would cross a line that I think more than just mitt Romney would be against though.

yeah, maybe.

but also, that we are even thinking "well yeah, maybe, i can see that happening i guess".

 

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