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39 minutes ago, az_prof said:

He is more a RB2 at this point than a RB1 and that is frustrating. But here is what i saw.

1. Agree that he is not 100% and it affects his ability to juke and make guys miss.

2. The offensive line is horrible. On one of the few carries he had in RZ where you hope he would score, the OL was blown up and he was hit deep in the backfield. Basically, the OL gave him no chance last night.

3. Jones doesn't look to him very often and missed a lot of opportunities to burn the blitz by dumping off to Barkley.  Going from Eli to Jones is hurting, not helping at the moment.

Short term, the schedule doesn't get much easier anytime soon.  Hopefully he comes back after the Bye in week 11 with more spring in his step. The playoff schedule is favorable for him as he has the Dolphins and Redskins in weeks 15 and 16. 

 

33 minutes ago, mphtrilogy said:

Salvation awaits!!

Yay, Just in time for all of us Barkley owners that miss the playoffs.

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46 minutes ago, az_prof said:

He is more a RB2 at this point than a RB1 and that is frustrating. But here is what i saw.

1. Agree that he is not 100% and it affects his ability to juke and make guys miss.

2. The offensive line is horrible. On one of the few carries he had in RZ where you hope he would score, the OL was blown up and he was hit deep in the backfield. Basically, the OL gave him no chance last night.

3. Jones doesn't look to him very often and missed a lot of opportunities to burn the blitz by dumping off to Barkley.  Going from Eli to Jones is hurting, not helping at the moment.

Short term, the schedule doesn't get much easier anytime soon.  Hopefully he comes back after the Bye in week 11 with more spring in his step. The playoff schedule is favorable for him as he has the Dolphins and Redskins in weeks 15 and 16. 

Don't think he's a RB2, but he's not a top 5 option right now and more of a lower RB1.  Sure, he's not 100% healthy, but I agree with you that right now Jones really sucks for Saquon's value.  Jones has to learn to dump it off to Barkley and not try to force it down the field.  A play that was working last night was the read option.....Jones got some nice runs from that.  Not sure why NYG doesn't have Jones in the shotgun more often doing that.  Whenever Jones was under center and traditionally handed the ball off, DAL teed off on Saquon....there was usually 8 in the box.   Having the threat of Jones running the ball should help Barkley.  While Jones isn't Lamar Jackson, he is pretty athletic.  Hopefully the coaches can see that.  Because when Jones goes back to pass, he's getting hammered and making mistakes.  The NYG need Jones to pass less to limit his mistakes.

I would expect better days ahead.  The schedule is OK......NYJ, bye, CHI, GB, PHI, MIA, WAS.  CHI isn't as tough of a matchup right now.  Only tough matchup is at PHI.

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2 hours ago, fightingillini said:

I would expect better days ahead.  The schedule is OK......NYJ, bye, CHI, GB, PHI, MIA, WAS.  CHI isn't as tough of a matchup right now.  Only tough matchup is at PHI.

If he doesnt light up the Jets, he is def a RB2 and based only on volume. He isnt scoring TDs. He is the type of player where double digit TDs are supposed to be a lock. 

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Injury aside, I'm not sure why the Giants don't use him like the Panthers use CMC. He should be touching the ball 30+ times and never coming off the field.

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Ill give you CMC, Cook, Zeke, and a healthy Kamara. But if Barkley is a RB2, all of Henry, Carson, Mack, Fournette, Ingram, Jacobs, and Chubb are ahead of him, or mix in Bell or Gordon instead. I'm just not seeing though. Based on talent I'd take Barkley ahead of all of them. Better days ahead.

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1 hour ago, Hu-Tang Clan said:

Injury aside, I'm not sure why the Giants don't use him like the Panthers use CMC. He should be touching the ball 30+ times and never coming off the field.

After his long catch and run he came off the field. How do Giants expect to win games without using him like Cmac? The play calls on the GL are not optimal.

This is why we see 6-8 coaches fired every year. Being the OC and coach for the Giants shouldnt be hard. You feed Barkley as you said. 

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This is what usually happens with high ankle sprains.  The guy comes back and plays while limited by it and his production often suffers.  Then people downgrade him in the offseason based on that and he makes a great buy for next year when he comes back at full health and is back to his normal self. 

Unfortunately Barkley has enough of a name that I doubt we'll be able to buy at a discount this offseason.  But the notion from some that he was just going to come back and be his same old self or that he was surely at 100% because there was a video of him dancing was always unlikely with this injury.

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3 hours ago, tackle for loss said:

After his long catch and run he came off the field. How do Giants expect to win games without using him like Cmac? The play calls on the GL are not optimal.

This is why we see 6-8 coaches fired every year. Being the OC and coach for the Giants shouldnt be hard. You feed Barkley as you said. 

The Giants were still well in the game right then.  They should have called a timeout so Barkely could rest and play on the subsequent first down and they could call a play that might actually work.  Instead they trot Gallman out and we know they are not running and Jones goes 0-3 and they kick a FG.  Momentum lost - game over.

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9 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

This is what usually happens with high ankle sprains.  The guy comes back and plays while limited by it and his production often suffers.  Then people downgrade him in the offseason based on that and he makes a great buy for next year when he comes back at full health and is back to his normal self. 

Unfortunately Barkley has enough of a name that I doubt we'll be able to buy at a discount this offseason.  But the notion from some that he was just going to come back and be his same old self or that he was surely at 100% because there was a video of him dancing was always unlikely with this injury.

His ankle is healed as I saw him running on it cutting for 65 yards. His touches and coaches using him like a stud is not fixed yet.

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He kept running into the middle of the pile and into his linemen. He was impatient. Some instances he should have bounced it outside but didn’t. The line was awful and didn’t help, but he looked just plain bad to me this week. Hoping it’s an anomaly, but it almost seems like he’s not running free and with confidence like last year. He’s all inside his head and running into the pile rather than using his instincts. 

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6 hours ago, tackle for loss said:

His ankle is healed as I saw him running on it cutting for 65 yards. His touches and coaches using him like a stud is not fixed yet.

He's cutting about 300% less often (made up number, but you get the point), and much less suddenly, than the Saquon we know and love.

Like Otis said above lots of running straight and into the back of his linemen, which is not how this guy usually plays.  If anything his only fault when healthy is that sometimes he cuts TOO much.  Now he's not cutting when there is an obvious need for it, coming off a HAS, and that's a coincidence?

I hope he averages 3ypc the rest of the year so I can buy him in the few leagues I don't have him and feast next year.

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Another stellar outing for saquon. Absolute season killing performances every week., oof!

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I will be looking to sell, should be able to get a good hsil for him. Unless others in my league are paying attention. I hate Daniel Jones. 

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34 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

16 touches on the day, no wonder the giants suck.

He carried 13 times for 1 yard. What do you want them to do?

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OL was down 3 starters. Considering the line is average when all 5 guys are playing, I can’t say I am shocked. I don’t think Saquon is quite right yet, either.

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Saquon Barkley rushed 13 times for one yard and caught five passes for 30 yards in Week 10 against the Jets.

Barkley had no running room with the offensive line missing three starters. The Giants gave up on running in the second half, allowing Daniel Jones to throw 40 passes. This was Barkley's worst game, but he's struggled on the ground since returning from his ankle injury, getting held under 65 yards in three of the last four weeks. Barkley has admitted to not being 100 percent over his ankle, so the bye week gives him a chance to rest up.

 

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1. Line is bad, really bad yesterday with injuries

2. Jets are great against the run

3. He ain't 100%

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Apparently he went in for x-rays after the game, according to the "Bottom Line" on ESPN.... and this...

Hope the guy gets a nice recharge.

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46 minutes ago, joffer said:

1. Line is bad, really bad yesterday with injuries

2. Jets are great against the run

3. He ain't 100%

Yup,  his pass protection looks awful too.    He came back too soon from the high ankle sprain.

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8 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Perhaps that s another reason to pass less. Its easy to spot when this team runs and when it passes. 

Shurmur's play calling is not the best.  Giants haven't had a 100+ yd rusher since weeks 1 and 2 (Barkley).   I don't see that changing this year.

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12 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

How concerned are we over Saquon? Enough to drop a viable Flex player to pick up Gallman, again....... as handcuff insurance.

Concerned how? He practiced yesterday though they dont put out injury reports. If we are concerned about production, he is a pile of stink right now. He is worthy of a benching. He got 1 less yard rushing this past week on bye then he did the week prior against the Jets. 

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On 11/14/2019 at 5:19 PM, kodycutter said:

Shurmur's play calling is not the best.  Giants haven't had a 100+ yd rusher since weeks 1 and 2 (Barkley).   I don't see that changing this year.

Saquan should see the ball 30 times this week against a bad run D right now, but my guess is he wont see it 20. 

This isnt about game script, you dictate the script against a team with a bad run D and a backup QB if you run, run and run again with Quan.  

Dont throw to him as check downs, throw to him on as many of designed plays as possible. Say if Quan stinks this game, we lose.

Build a game plan around him for once, see what happens. 

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19 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

How concerned are we over Saquon? Enough to drop a viable Flex player to pick up Gallman, again....... as handcuff insurance.

 

4 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Concerned how? He practiced yesterday though they dont put out injury reports. If we are concerned about production, he is a pile of stink right now. He is worthy of a benching. He got 1 less yard rushing this past week on bye then he did the week prior against the Jets. 

Injury reports aside, his injury seems to be the reason he has been a pile of stink right now. I mean talk of shutting him down was mentioned. His coach may have said no plans to shut him down, but if he's not quite "there" the NY Football Giants appear to be weighing their options.

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17 minutes ago, Team Smokin' said:

 

Injury reports aside, his injury seems to be the reason he has been a pile of stink right now. I mean talk of shutting him down was mentioned. His coach may have said no plans to shut him down, but if he's not quite "there" the NY Football Giants appear to be weighing their options.

Shutting him down was mentioned in the media. Not by the team. lol

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Might have a chance at acquiring him in redraft PPR for essentially Derrick Henry and Gallup (don’t use Gallup) 

Are the three lineman that missed getting healthy? Is Barkley a good buy or will this injury linger.  His Week 15 vs Miami looks nice.  

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6 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said:

Might have a chance at acquiring him in redraft PPR for essentially Derrick Henry and Gallup (don’t use Gallup) 

Are the three lineman that missed getting healthy? Is Barkley a good buy or will this injury linger.  His Week 15 vs Miami looks nice.  

Man I don’t think I’d do that? PPR or not, Henry has been a stud! I don’t think I’d make that trade even up let alone Gallup. Not with Barkley likely not 100% rest of year. Just my opinion of course...

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19 minutes ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Man I don’t think I’d do that? PPR or not, Henry has been a stud! I don’t think I’d make that trade even up let alone Gallup. Not with Barkley likely not 100% rest of year. Just my opinion of course...

Redraft I think I agree even if it sounds weird. 

Dynasty would be a different story, not close there

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6 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

Redraft I think I agree even if it sounds weird. 

Dynasty would be a different story, not close there

Agree 100% especially PPR but you have to think Henry has returned way more on investment this year in redraft considering their draft slots.

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34 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said:

Might have a chance at acquiring him in redraft PPR for essentially Derrick Henry and Gallup (don’t use Gallup) 

Are the three lineman that missed getting healthy? Is Barkley a good buy or will this injury linger.  His Week 15 vs Miami looks nice.  

Don't do that trade.

But if you don't use Gallup, definitely try and sell him now.  The DAL schedule gets much more difficult.

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20 minutes ago, fightingillini said:

Don't do that trade.

But if you don't use Gallup, definitely try and sell him now.  The DAL schedule gets much more difficult.

The next 2 weeks are difficult, but the playoffs isnt bad. Not to mention Dallas may be in shoot outs, forced to pass, in many of these games. I'd say it bodes well for Gallup and not well for Cooper

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1 hour ago, Kwai Chang Caine said:

Agree 100% especially PPR but you have to think Henry has returned way more on investment this year in redraft considering their draft slots.

Yeah, thanks. The deadline is Saturday. We are a short bench league, so I can easily replace Gallup with a Fuller type on waivers. 
 

Back to Barkley it’s tough to figure out, now he has a shoulder issue to deal with, I’d hope his high ankle is close to healthy by now with two more weeks.  You’d have to think they want to see a healthy Daniel Jones with Barkley.  
 

Barkley gets Eagles 14 but should be good if you advance then gets Miami/Redskins 

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On 11/19/2019 at 6:23 PM, Johnny B. Goode said:

The next 2 weeks are difficult, but the playoffs isnt bad. Not to mention Dallas may be in shoot outs, forced to pass, in many of these games. I'd say it bodes well for Gallup and not well for Cooper

Can't imagine many teams that have Barkley made the playoffs. I'm one of them & he's been an absolute season killer. Mostly thanks to his awful coach & qb.

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52 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

Can't imagine many teams that have Barkley made the playoffs. I'm one of them & he's been an absolute season killer. Mostly thanks to his awful coach & qb.

His awful QB? Are you serious Clark??? Since week 3 when Jones got his first start, he's the 9th highest scoring QB in FF (at least in my leagues with 4 point passing TDs) He's also had injuries to his top WR and TE, and of course Barkley, for pretty much the entire time he's been a starter. I'd say a rookie that has outscored Rivers, Ryan, Brady, Wentz, Jimmy G, Goff, and more over the last 9 weeks is anything but "awful" 

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1 hour ago, irish eyes said:

Can't imagine many teams that have Barkley made the playoffs. I'm one of them & he's been an absolute season killer. Mostly thanks to his awful coach & qb.

I'll make the playoffs and it's amazing that all us Barkley owners haven't had a single "explosion" game yet. It's got to happen one of these weeks. Hopefully in the playoffs.

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I’m in the playoffs but Barkley is on the bench. I’m currently 9-2 and a two game lead with two games to go for the playoffs.

Tex

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2 hours ago, BigTex said:

I’m in the playoffs but Barkley is on the bench. I’m currently 9-2 and a two game lead with two games to go for the playoffs.

Tex

Bench?

With bye issues and injuries there's no way in hell I could bench him.

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How can you justify benching Barkley? If he blew up on my bench, I would sick to my stomach.

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4 hours ago, kyoun1e said:

Bench?

With bye issues and injuries there's no way in hell I could bench him.

I aint benching him, but tell me, is anyone confident that he will do anything other than 60 yards rushing tops with 3 catches for 21 yards. 

12 Points is what I am hoping for, and I'm not holding my breath. I lack so much confidence in some what many would call stars lately. lol

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I'm quite tempted to bench him.  Even for someone like Bo Scarbrough 

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