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So now we can't say the word "guys". Got it
yepI think they tried too hard to find diversity
So now we can't say the word "guys". Got it
yepI think they tried too hard to find diversity
I think that’s where American survivor lacked in recent years. It took many weeks to develop characters. Australian survivor has 3 episodes a week which i believe are 90 minutes so they do it very quickly. Most seasons i recall of our survivor it takes me a month or so to like the cast sometimes not until after the merge.That’s a good point as well. Hopefully some people grow on us, but I feel the same way. The cast doesn’t grab me yet.
I think that was the reason.Why did they go from 39 days to 29? Covid issues delayed production or something?
I think they tried too hard to find diversity, which isn’t surprising considering some of their past issues. I don’t mind it, but I think they went overboard with it. I mean they didn’t really respond properly to the sexual assault guy so now they want to look like they are a thought leader. Hey, add some diversity that you were lacking but make sure you don’t forget that you need the right personalities to create a little drama. I don’t think casting will go well when I would bet that the producers had some meetings saying, we need to have our first X winner. I think that we are seeing a bit more forced casting rather than organic let’s find some people who would make good TV and then make sure we get people from a lot of backgrounds from that group.
There definitely are. We had HR training around it. Honestly don’t think it’s a big deal omitting it. Times change.Are there really females (or non binary folks, or people who identify as female) who actually feel a mixed-gender group being casually addressed as "guys" on a TV show is some sort of discriminatory tactic?
There definitely are. We had HR training around it. Honestly don’t think it’s a big deal omitting it. Times change.
Instead, they made a circus around it and forced one of the cast members to be "the bad guy" to people that really DO care.
I just find it funny how we let some words change with time, but with others, their literal or traditional meanings are "too important" and can't be ignored.There definitely are. We had HR training around it. Honestly don’t think it’s a big deal omitting it. Times change.
No one complained. It was all Jeff to start. I assume none of them had met him before. It definitely is about them being called out so they made a scene out of it to look like the upstanding citizens. Kind of like a wolf starting a foundation for sheep to go to college after he’s eaten half of them. It did feel like the producers may have prodded the guy because they didn’t get the response from a woman.I assumed he was the one who complained about it in the first place. I agree, though. This all should have been done off camera.
are you feeling triggered?I assumed he was the one who complained about it in the first place. I agree, though. This all should have been done off camera.
I assumed he complained about it before the season began and they decided to address it on camera. I could be wrong of course.No one complained. It was all Jeff to start. I assume none of them had met him before. It definitely is about them being called out so they made a scene out of it to look like the upstanding citizens. Kind of like a wolf starting a foundation for sheep to go to college after he’s eaten half of them. It did feel like the producers may have prodded the guy because they didn’t get the response from a woman.
I’m good. Just playing armchair TV executive.are you feeling triggered?
Why ask someone else first and why did he take a day to think about it more? Definitely seemed like a CBS scripted thing.I assumed he complained about it before the season began and they decided to address it on camera. I could be wrong of course.
if you say "y'all", you are conveying the message that everyone is the same, equating one person with another person. this doesn't allow for diversity. shame on you.So you can't say guys now. Is it OK to say y'all. Something like come on in y'all? If not I'm in a lot of trouble cause I don't think I'd ever be able to stop that.
I agree, but TV people are not particularly good at reining in their "LOOK AT US!" impulses.But maybe just start doing the "right thing" (or just doing things better) without making some giant "LOOK AT US!!!" deal about it? That seems a lot more noble to me.
Jeff is showrunner in addition to host and is very involved in the casting process. They had all met him before. There was no way this hadn't come up in the casting and/or pre-game process.It was all Jeff to start. I assume none of them had met him before.
For me, it was the flashback cuts to stuff that was just 15 minutes ago. Like JD's "Remember back all the way to yesterday, when I started fire? That was awesome!" and cut to a blurry dream-like reminiscence of the same footage we already saw a few minutes before.Maybe it's just me, but something was off in this episode. Seeing the camera crews? Seeing the contestant's back stories? The time devoted to the elimination of the word "guys"? The meh contestants overall? Just not sure.
Or CBS just received tweets about it (or something on social media) enough that they felt they should publicly address it to make sure everyone knows it was officially changed.Jeff is showrunner in addition to host and is very involved in the casting process. They had all met him before. There was no way this hadn't come up in the casting and/or pre-game process.
looks like Bill Walton with a jheri curlBrad is creepy.
The quick, "Our first tribal council" (or something to that effect) to the camera right before the first tribal council was pretty funny. In a pointless sort of way.and probst, addressing the camera was a bit odd as well.
He explained that. He said he was all nervous in the opening moments of the game, but after he had a chance to think about it, he decided to speak upWhy ask someone else first and why did he take a day to think about it more? Definitely seemed like a CBS scripted thing.
I know what he said. It just felt forced like they didn’t get the answer they wanted on camera on the boat so they gave him a nudge. It’s easy to do. During player in game interviews. So what did you think about what was said on the boat, yada yada. He sure didn’t seem concerned about it at all during game play. If there was a conversation with anyone about it, they probably add it in.BeTheMatch said:He explained that. He said he was all nervous in the opening moments of the game, but after he had a chance to think about it, he decided to speak up
Well of course he had the new phrase ready to go. He was the one who asked the question from the start.I know what he said. It just felt forced like they didn’t get the answer they wanted on camera on the boat so they gave him a nudge. It’s easy to do. During player in game interviews. So what did you think about what was said on the boat, yada yada. He sure didn’t seem concerned about it at all during game play. If there was a conversation with anyone about it, they probably add it in.
All I think is that it came from Jeff and team, not from a cast member. I was just replying to someone who said it started with Ricard. It’s not a coincidence that this year CBS made all those diversity changes and this year they finally decided to visit the term guys. It’s also not hard to realize how easy it would be to manipulate someone into speaking up. I mean Jeff already had the new phrase 100% ready as soon as he spoke up.
SMH. That’s what I said. I’m not sure what we are arguing. I’m saying this was all staged by the show folks including Jeff to act like they are thought leaders given their history. I disagreed above that Ricard came up with anything and I do think he was “influenced” to help Jeff actually make the change without a backlash. They have an offended person to point to instead of just making the change.Well of course he had the new phrase ready to go. He was the one who asked the question from the start.
Ricard, so far, seems to have a strong personality to me. I don't necessarily think he was influenced to speak up. It also doesn't bother me that they decided to get rid of the word "guys."SMH. That’s what I said. I’m not sure what we are arguing. I’m saying this was all staged by the show folks including Jeff to act like they are thought leaders given their history. I disagreed above that Ricard came up with anything and I do think he was “influenced” to help Jeff actually make the change without a backlash. They have an offended person to point to instead of just making the change.
I didn't like her at all. But I do agree that she will probably do really well this season.Out of all of the players, I think Shan, the Jamaican/Italian Pastor, really stood out for me as the most likable. Loved all of her confessionals and was cracking up to her evil background music schtick. She also seems to have positioned herself well in this game so far. I expect that we'll get a good combo of character and game play from her.
That ship sailed long ago.I'm hoping there aren't too many more twists or cute tricks or advantages or whatever.....I miss the old days of straight good ol survivor.....idols and that's it....really glad there is no survivor "currency or coins" or whatever that was before....guess I can handle the dice thing, but let's get back to the basics.....survival and social skills...where catching fish and #### matters.....I'm not a huge fan of extra votes and stuff being played....sometimes those can be used to knock off superior players that wouldn't normally get the boot....
FYI apparently australian survivor is on paramount Plus now.
But that's why they didn't do it that way.He could have easily just changed the wording on his own and removed guys and probably 75% of the viewers wouldn't have known or cared.
right ....but why does everything have to be a big pink neon sign with an arrow pointing saying "look at me....I'm so woke"....can I get my round of applause please......does everybody think I am cool and non racist and gender sensitive and whatever else now....why do we have to make sure everybody knows how woke we are....why do we have to throw it in everybody's face....we act like we have to get some validation on our wokeness....like a stamp of approval on our forehead or flash our woke card or something....But that's why they didn't do it that way.
Or maybe it was just an opportunity to create a discussion around a larger issue that probably should be discussed. And they've accomplished that, based on this thread anyway.right ....but why does everything have to be a big pink neon sign with an arrow pointing saying "look at me....I'm so woke"....can I get my round of applause please......does everybody think I am cool and non racist and gender sensitive and whatever else now....why do we have to make sure everybody knows how woke we are....why do we have to throw it in everybody's face....we act like we have to get some validation on our wokeness....like a stamp of approval on our forehead or flash our woke card or something....
not really why I tune in to watch survivor...lots of other places I can go and chase that if thats what I'm looking for....and not why I come to this thread...it kinda sucks it takes up thread space in here....other threads got it covered... lot of these messages have now been heard loud and clear....we get it....let's get on with the gameplay and quit force feeding agendas...Or maybe it was just an opportunity to create a discussion around a larger issue that probably should be discussed. And they've accomplished that, based on this thread anyway.
That was also why they cast a touchy-feely Weinstein type dude on the same tribe as a germophobic woman who didn't like to be touched. And it blew up in their faces.Or maybe it was just an opportunity to create a discussion around a larger issue that probably should be discussed.
I like Danny the NFL player, but he will have a target on his back for sure.
Maybe it's just me, but something was off in this episode. Seeing the camera crews? Seeing the contestant's back stories? The time devoted to the elimination of the word "guys"? The meh contestants overall? Just not sure.
Yeah, this. I'm all for diversity, but not at the expense of good TV.
https://parade.com/1117105/mikebloom/cbs-diversity-reality-tv/
Obviously there are plenty of "interesting" potential minority cast members out there. And they should do everything to find those folks and get them in the mix. But it just seems silly to make a hard quota of 50% mandatory. Is it really the end of the world if you only hit 40% but get 2 more REALLY interesting people on the show instead?
And the whole "guys" conversation just seemed so incredibly forced. Obviously Probst/CBS decided to get rid of it and just needed someone to say it was "wrong" on camera. The woman from the first segment wouldn't do it so they had to go round 2 with the flight attendant. (guessing a producer probably told him to bring it up again) It certainly doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show at all, but I just cant believe people actually spend their time worrying about these sorts of things.
Are there really females (or non binary folks, or people who identify as female) who actually feel a mixed-gender group being casually addressed as "guys" on a TV show is some sort of discriminatory tactic?