***Official PSF Moderation Thread***

[timschochet 29,144]

1 hour ago, ShamrockPride said:

I always questioned why if you love politics so darn much and you love discussing it all, why you choose a magic football board to do it at.

I would feel like if I liked politics as much as you, I'd like to be around others, an entire board full of people who like them just as much as I do. Not with some Joe Schmoes who play fantasy football.

I think you stick here to this board because you enjoy sounding more intelligent and informed than the normal people here who put fantasy football before politics, not the other way around like you do.

You really underestimate the intelligence of the people here IMO. 

[Ramblin Wreck 12,541]

On 7/13/2019 at 11:08 AM, timschochet said:

Anyhow enough. I’ve stated my complaints. I guess that in doing do I’m as guilty as everybody else now. So I’ll stop talking about this stuff- as I wrote I find it boring. 

I hope things get better around here...

Posts like "Jamaal knows that Trump wants him to “go back where he came from.”" certainly make things better around here

[timschochet 29,144]

Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Posts like "Jamaal knows that Trump wants him to “go back where he came from.”" certainly make things better around here

You’re criticizing me for that post?? Unbelievable. Perhaps you should reserve your criticism for the President. 

[Ramblin Wreck 12,541]

2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

You’re criticizing me for that post?? Unbelievable. Perhaps you should reserve your criticism for the President. 

Not criticizing per se just saying it's boring and lame.   Like you find other posts boring.  You can post whatever you want, obviously.

[Maurile Tremblay 20,333]

2 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Not criticizing per se just saying it's boring and lame.

“Boring and lame” is a compliment in some circles.

[timschochet 29,144]

11 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Not criticizing per se just saying it's boring and lame.   Like you find other posts boring.  You can post whatever you want, obviously.

I was making a very specific argument with that post. @Widbil83 is arguing that blacks (Jamaal) will vote for Trump because of the economy and because they are fearful of losing their jobs to undocumented immigrants. I am arguing that Trump’s continual racism, repeated just this morning, will prevent that from happening. 

[Widbil83 3,147]

44 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I was making a very specific argument with that post. @Widbil83 is arguing that blacks (Jamaal) will vote for Trump because of the economy and because they are fearful of losing their jobs to undocumented immigrants. I am arguing that Trump’s continual racism, repeated just this morning, will prevent that from happening. 

Yeah Tim is right here, it’s all good.  I actually burst out laughing when I saw the comment.

[HellToupee 14,319]

#freetonydead

@tonydead

[Ramblin Wreck 12,541]

5 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

#freetonydead

@tonydead

What happened to him this time?

[sho nuff 14,198]

6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

#freetonydead

@tonydead

He got clipped?

[Ditkaless Wonders 16,204]

On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 6:47 PM, Yankee23Fan said:

Rock's good people. Some of you need to lighten up a little.

Unless he said something that I missed that I would find offensive in which case I reserve the right to use really big words and long run on sentences, like this one, to castigate him and extend and revise my remarks above, herein.

I don't find much offensive though. Barbara Streisand, Red Sox fans, scooters at Disney, Ketchup on steak, this idiot we have in the same office as Abraham Lincoln. Oh, and people with no sense of humor.

So if you encountered Streisand, at Disney, riding a scooter with her assistant, say maybe Tina Yothers, feeding her steak with ketchup, make that well done steak, it would make your head explode.

 

BTW, it would mine.  Good call.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Ditkaless Wonders

[UncleZen 287]

The only way they are going to fix all the whining about moderation is to stop all moderation. Just post a warning for everyone pinned to the top and get out of the way.

[matuski 4,515]

On 7/14/2019 at 10:40 AM, Maurile Tremblay said:

“Boring and lame” is a compliment in some circles.

Which circles are those?

[[scooter] 13,062]

28 minutes ago, matuski said:

On 7/14/2019 at 8:40 AM, Maurile Tremblay said:

“Boring and lame” is a compliment in some circles.

Which circles are those?

Manufacturers of drills and ornamental metallic fabric?

[Herb 1,482]

@Bucky86 your new avatar. 

[Gr00vus 10,466]

@FBG Moderator

I just got a warning with the following statement:

Quote

Stop reporting a post anytime it has a different opinion than yours.

Could you please link me to the post in question - because a) I don't think I did that (if I actually reported posts anytime they had a different opinion than mine, I'd spend most of my life reporting posts), and b) whether the opinion is different than mine or not, it may still have been worthy of reporting based on recommended posting etiquette.

ETA: It'd also give me an example of the types of things that shouldn't be reported.

Thanks.

Edited September 25, 2019 by Gr00vus

[KCitons 4,163]

2 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

@FBG Moderator

I just got a warning with the following statement:

Could you please link me to the post in question - because a) I don't think I did that (if I actually reported posts anytime they had a different opinion than mine, I'd spend most of my life reporting posts), and b) whether the opinion is different than mine or not, it may still have been worthy of reporting based on recommended posting etiquette.

Thanks.

How many posts do you report? 

 

[Gr00vus 10,466]

Just now, KCitons said:

How many posts do you report? 

 

Between 0-10 a week.

[KCitons 4,163]

1 minute ago, Gr00vus said:

Between 0-10 a week.

hmm. I don't think I've reported 10 posts in the 10 years I've been here.

We don't agree on a lot of things. In your defense, I've never received a warning or ban. So there's that. 

[squistion 11,767]

1 minute ago, KCitons said:

hmm. I don't think I've reported 10 posts in the 10 years I've been here.

We don't agree on a lot of things. In your defense, I've never received a warning or ban. So there's that. 

I guess that is because you never argue with anyone here. 

[KCitons 4,163]

Just now, squistion said:

I guess that is because you never argue with anyone here. 

I think it's because I can argue without crossing the line. Opinions on a message board have no effect on my real life. 

[squistion 11,767]

15 minutes ago, KCitons said:

I think it's because I can argue without crossing the line. Opinions on a message board have no effect on my real life. 

There is no clear deliniation as to when a discussion becomes an "argument" and when that argument crosses the line and leads to a suspension.

Edited September 25, 2019 by squistion

[KCitons 4,163]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

There is no clear delamination as to when a discussion becomes an "argument" and when that argument crosses the line.  

Perhaps change your arguing style until you achieve the result you're looking for?

[squistion 11,767]

Just now, KCitons said:

Perhaps change your arguing style until you achieve the result you're looking for?

I have no idea what to change in my discussions with people, as I have no idea what is acceptable or what is not acceptable.

[John Blutarsky 3,320]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

I have no idea what to change in my discussions with people, as I have no idea what is acceptable or what is not acceptable.

This is priceless 

[timschochet 29,144]

28 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

Between 0-10 a week.

No offense @Gr00vusbecause you seem like a great guy and I almost always enjoy your posts but...why? 

I understand that the Mods want us to report offensive posts and it makes their jobs easier. But despite that I just don’t see the point of reporting other people. What’s to gain? 

[KCitons 4,163]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

I have no idea what to change in my discussions with people, as I have no idea what is acceptable or what is not acceptable.

I don't know. I can't say since I don't read all of your posts. Just a thought, but state your point without adding any adjectives or descriptives. Many posters here think the key to getting their point across is colorful posts that portray more than their point. It leaves room for interpretation. 

It won't get you as many likes. But it also won't get you as many time outs. 

 

Edited September 25, 2019 by KCitons

[Slapdash 15,760]

42 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

@FBG Moderator

I just got a warning with the following statement:

Could you please link me to the post in question - because a) I don't think I did that (if I actually reported posts anytime they had a different opinion than mine, I'd spend most of my life reporting posts), and b) whether the opinion is different than mine or not, it may still have been worthy of reporting based on recommended posting etiquette.

ETA: It'd also give me an example of the types of things that shouldn't be reported.

Thanks.

It is not a warning, just a message.  But, yeah, it is pretty confusing to be told to report things then chided for doing so.

[FBG Moderator 663]

45 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

@FBG Moderator

I just got a warning with the following statement:

Could you please link me to the post in question - because a) I don't think I did that (if I actually reported posts anytime they had a different opinion than mine, I'd spend most of my life reporting posts), and b) whether the opinion is different than mine or not, it may still have been worthy of reporting based on recommended posting etiquette.

ETA: It'd also give me an example of the types of things that shouldn't be reported.

Thanks.

One example of the posts you reported today;

Quote

You guys have him this time!

Sure, this is chest thumping from someone who likely feels this is another false "this is the end" scenario.

And it may very well be the end. I don't know. But having the opinion this will be another thing that doesn't take Trump down is not worthy of a suspension. Is it uncool to one side? Sure. If we didn't allow every post that was uncool to one side, we wouldn't have a board. 

We need people to report posts. @timschochet you hurt the board constantly chiding people for reporting. But the other side of it is people have to have thick enough skin to not report every single minor slight. And "You guys have him this time!" is minor. 

[FBG Moderator 663]

20 minutes ago, timschochet said:

But despite that I just don’t see the point of reporting other people. What’s to gain? 

A board that is readable. 

[Max Power 3,346]

2 minutes ago, FBG Moderator said:

One example of the posts you reported today;

Sure, this is chest thumping from someone who likely feels this is another false "this is the end" scenario.

And it may very well be the end. I don't know. But having the opinion this will be another thing that doesn't take Trump down is not worthy of a suspension. Is it uncool to one side? Sure. If we didn't allow every post that was uncool to one side, we wouldn't have a board. 

We need people to report posts. @timschochet you hurt the board constantly chiding people for reporting. But the other side of it is people have to have thick enough skin to not report every single minor slight. And "You guys have him this time!" is minor. 

Whoa... I think that was my post, and not that I care, but seriously???  It was at around 3am when the board is dead.  A little tongue in cheek to maybe stimulate conversation at an off hour.

I've never reported a single post in 12 years.  I just don't believe in it.  I'm a bit surprised that is the level that gets reported though.  Glad to see a moderator can put it in context. 

[timschochet 29,144]

6 minutes ago, FBG Moderator said:

 

We need people to report posts. @timschochet you hurt the board constantly chiding people for reporting. 

Sorry that you think I hurt the board. If reporting was truly used as you desire it to be used, that would be fine. But I think it’s used by a lot of people as a weapon, and an ugly one at that, in order to punish people that annoy them. It should be used to report truly offensive stuff, that’s fine. But light insults, funny ones, or even light trolling that isn’t truly offensive- I say leave it alone. And I also think you should punish people who waste your time reporting stuff that isn’t truly offensive by suspending THEM for a few days.  That will reduce the number of people who abuse the report function. 

Just my two cents. At your request I won’t comment anymore about reporting. I am ever grateful to be able to post here. 

[Slapdash 15,760]

11 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Whoa... I think that was my post, and not that I care, but seriously???  It was at around 3am when the board is dead.  A little tongue in cheek to maybe stimulate conversation at an off hour.

I've never reported a single post in 12 years.  I just don't believe in it.  I'm a bit surprised that is the level that gets reported though.  Glad to see a moderator can put it in context. 

I think context matters.  I can see it reported for people that just come in to rile others up/troll them.  That clearly isn't you though, IMO.

[KCitons 4,163]

13 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Sorry that you think I hurt the board. If reporting was truly used as you desire it to be used, that would be fine. But I think it’s used by a lot of people as a weapon, and an ugly one at that, in order to punish people that annoy them. It should be used to report truly offensive stuff, that’s fine. But light insults, funny ones, or even light trolling that isn’t truly offensive- I say leave it alone. And I also think you should punish people who waste your time reporting stuff that isn’t truly offensive by suspending THEM for a few days.  That will reduce the number of people who abuse the report function. 

Just my two cents. At your request I won’t comment anymore about reporting. I am ever grateful to be able to post here. 

How do you feel about aliases?

[FBG Moderator 663]

16 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It should be used to report truly offensive stuff, that’s fine. But light insults, funny ones, or even light trolling that isn’t truly offensive- I say leave it alone. And I also think you should punish people who waste your time reporting stuff that isn’t truly offensive by suspending THEM for a few days.  That will reduce the number of people who abuse the report function. 

That's exactly how we want it to be used. 

And it's why they told groovus to not report something minor like "You guys have him this time!". 

[timschochet 29,144]

56 minutes ago, KCitons said:

How do you feel about aliases?

I don’t care. But you’re not supposed to use them to avoid suspension. 

[Gr00vus 10,466]

15 hours ago, FBG Moderator said:

One example of the posts you reported today;

Sure, this is chest thumping from someone who likely feels this is another false "this is the end" scenario.

And it may very well be the end. I don't know. But having the opinion this will be another thing that doesn't take Trump down is not worthy of a suspension. Is it uncool to one side? Sure. If we didn't allow every post that was uncool to one side, we wouldn't have a board. 

We need people to report posts. @timschochet you hurt the board constantly chiding people for reporting. But the other side of it is people have to have thick enough skin to not report every single minor slight. And "You guys have him this time!" is minor. 

I'd seen similar things noted as being worth reporting before - it doesn't add anything interesting to a conversation and was posted solely to rile other people up - the definition of trolling. It doesn't matter which "side" the trolling is targeted at, my understanding is that we were to report things like that to keep the discourse at a certain level. Mods in the past have asked us to "help out" by reporting things rather than derailing threads with criticisms of useless posts like that. Now I get this in response. #### it, I'll just stop reporting altogether.

Edited September 25, 2019 by Gr00vus

[mrip541 808]

The you got him now posts are a long running troll meme and in my opinion are exactly the type of obviously worthless posts that should be discouraged.

Edited September 25, 2019 by mrip541

[parasaurolophus 5,932]

2 hours ago, mrip541 said:

The you got him now posts are a long running troll meme and in my opinion are exactly the type of obviously worthless posts that should be discouraged.

Better start banning "the usual suspects" then too. In fact lets get rid of sarcasm altogether. Who really needs that? I would say amirite, but that probably shouldnt be used anymore either since it is usually not used to promote sincere discussion.

[sho nuff 14,198]

Just now, parasaurolophus said:

Better start banning "the usual suspects" then too. In fact lets get rid of sarcasm altogether. Who really needs that? I would say amirite, but that probably shouldnt be used anymore either since it is usually not used to promote sincere discussion.

I don't see how its similar.

"The usual suspects" is to to describe the typical group of posters behaving a certain way.  Usually to describe people who are all in on Trump no matter what and say little to nothing negative about him and defend everything. I don't see the phrase as meant to get a reaction from people...do you?

The "you got him now" posts are mocking and nothing else.  And when done in a post and run manner, how are they not meant to be trolling for a reaction?

Sarcasm has its place for sure.  As it should when done well.

[parasaurolophus 5,932]

Just now, sho nuff said:

I don't see how its similar.

"The usual suspects" is to to describe the typical group of posters behaving a certain way.  Usually to describe people who are all in on Trump no matter what and say little to nothing negative about him and defend everything. I don't see the phrase as meant to get a reaction from people...do you?

The "you got him now" posts are mocking and nothing else.  And when done in a post and run manner, how are they not meant to be trolling for a reaction?

Sarcasm has its place for sure.  As it should when done well.

Do you have a link for that?

[sho nuff 14,198]

Just now, parasaurolophus said:

Do you have a link for that?

A link for what?

[parasaurolophus 5,932]

1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

A link for what?

To back up your claim. 

[sho nuff 14,198]

8 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

To back up your claim. 

To back up my opinion of how usual suspects is used?

Really?

[Ramblin Wreck 12,541]

15 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

I don't see how its similar.

"The usual suspects" is to to describe the typical group of posters behaving a certain way.  Usually to describe people who are all in on Trump no matter what and say little to nothing negative about him and defend everything. I don't see the phrase as meant to get a reaction from people...do you?

The "you got him now" posts are mocking and nothing else.  And when done in a post and run manner, how are they not meant to be trolling for a reaction?

Sarcasm has its place for sure.  As it should when done well.

Wait.  You and others have a cute nickname to label certain posters but the gotcha posts are what is mocking in your world?  That’s hilarious.  

By the way if Joe started handing out bans for the gotcha posts I’m pretty sure 30-40 anti trump people would be gone within the hour. 

[FBG Moderator 663]

3 hours ago, mrip541 said:

The you got him now posts are a long running troll meme and in my opinion are exactly the type of obviously worthless posts that should be discouraged.

I don't disagree. But the reality is we have to have a line somewhere. If all the meme posts like Bye Felicia or Tell Me More or Bof Sidez or the like meant suspension, we wouldn't have a board. We get it, those kinds of posts from both sides  aren't helpful. But on the scale of helpful to not helpful, they're not far enough to the negative edge that reasonable with people with reasonably thick skin can't handle.

It's a very gray area and trust us, zero fun to try and determine the line and play board cop. We depend on posters to let us know when they see something over the line but we also depend on them to somewhat know where the line is. Which is difficult. 

We'll drop out of this now as there's other work we have to do. 

Bottom line please just try to be cooler to each other and have legit / honest / constructive / helpful discussions. Thanks.

[IvanKaramazov 18,226]

33 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Better start banning "the usual suspects" then too. In fact lets get rid of sarcasm altogether. Who really needs that? I would say amirite, but that probably shouldnt be used anymore either since it is usually not used to promote sincere discussion.

"I'll hang up and listen."

[IvanKaramazov 18,226]

32 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

I don't see how its similar.

"The usual suspects" is to to describe the typical group of posters behaving a certain way.  Usually to describe people who are all in on Trump no matter what and say little to nothing negative about him and defend everything. I don't see the phrase as meant to get a reaction from people...do you?

The "you got him now" posts are mocking and nothing else.  And when done in a post and run manner, how are they not meant to be trolling for a reaction?

Sarcasm has its place for sure.  As it should when done well.

"Gary Johnson voters."

[John Bender 6,524]

9 minutes ago, FBG Moderator said:

I don't disagree. But the reality is we have to have a line somewhere. If all the meme posts like Bye Felicia or Tell Me More or Bof Sidez or the like meant suspension, we wouldn't have a board. We get it, those kinds of posts from both sides  aren't helpful. But on the scale of helpful to not helpful, they're not far enough to the negative edge that reasonable with people with reasonably thick skin can't handle.

It's a very gray area and trust us, zero fun to try and determine the line and play board cop. We depend on posters to let us know when they see something over the line but we also depend on them to somewhat know where the line is. Which is difficult. 

We'll drop out of this now as there's other work we have to do. 

Bottom line please just try to be cooler to each other and have legit / honest / constructive / helpful discussions. Thanks.

When it comes to politics, this hasnt happened on this board in what, 15 years? It's not happening. And it's not because this board is toxic, just go look at any news story on facebook these days. It's filled with rats, people who care about winning an argument more than their country. We complain about millennials being raised inappropriately, given participation trophies, not knowing how to be stone cold and unemotional. But to be honest, the generation we have here is no different. Same people, different technology and year, that's it.   

[parasaurolophus 5,932]

26 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

To back up my opinion of how usual suspects is used?

Really?

Yes, really. It seemed like a far out there argument just to defend your side to me so i figured i would give you an opportunity to back it up. 

I figured since half your posts are asking people for links, that you would be ready to quickly link up your statements. Surely you would never say anything that cant be backed up with credible links at the ready would you? 

Oh and btw since i was using hyperbole about it being half your posts dont ask me to provide a link to it being half your posts. 

Thanks in advance.