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5 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

No, this guy.

(to be fair - by link was to a show called "According to Jim" - which tied into the original post...)

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2 minutes ago, Chicago Hooligan said:

What a shame that the braying reactionaries no longer find this board to be a safe space for them.

I have only ever seen this word in brown bear Brown bear what do you see to describe noise of a zebra. I kind of figured it was just a made up word for that book. Who knew...

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2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:
2 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Their voting is to blame for our nation's current debacle, so I'm guilty of insulting when speaking freely not in this forum, but I meant no insult there. I genuinely think those factors lead to trump supporters being under-represented in online forums. Do you have another theory? I really don't buy the theory that this particular forum is disproportionate due to moderation.

And you really don't have to worry about turning very many of the educated trump voters. He won on the thinnest of margins in a few swing states. You just need to convince us independents not to vote third party again (I won't) and get some youth to vote (2018 indicates they will be out in force). At this point I'm more worried about trump getting impeached and the Republicans running a halfway decent candidate because I know two trump voters who swear they'll never vote for him again, but I've got a feeling (hell, I'm pretty certain) they'll absolutely vote for any non-trump Republican over someone like Warren. And as someone who leaned R when I voted, I"m absolutely sickened by how they've fallen in line with trump and how they've voted. They've got at least a two decade voting "time out" from me. That side needs a complete purge and overhaul. I'll be treating the Democratic primaries as my real vote for the foreseeable future.

It is one of the reasons though.  There are a decent amount of people that use to post here that either got banned or just left.  They all post on the FFT Geek board and it's the complete opposite of this place.  Almost no moderation, tons of homophobic and racist comments, lots of personal insults and very strongly conservative.  While being free to say more of what you want can be nice, it can get pretty bad.  I do find it entertaining how incredibly "extreme" some of them can be though.

This would lead to an imbalance of who's being a jackass and who isn't....not "conservative" vs "liberal" as what some of the "conservatives" assert around here.

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4 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Warning issued by FBG Moderator

July 20

Note for member

We get it the condescending bully shtick is your thing. But be way more cool if you want to post on the boards. If you don't agree that's what you were doing, find another board. 

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My comment was snarky, but it wasn't wrong. The mod's comment was 67% wrong (condescending, yes, bullying, no, shtick, no) and accusatory. 

Mods comment was 1000% correct. 

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8 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

:tinfoilhat:

As for warnings/time outs, if anything, it sounds like trump supporters are the most thin skinned and trigger happy when it comes to reporting.

I've posted a few unfortunate truths that got me timeouts.

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I was given over a 2-month timeout for giving Obama advice which he actually followed 30-minutes later.   No profanity or personal attack.   

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7 hours ago, The Commish said:

This would lead to an imbalance of who's being a jackass and who isn't....not "conservative" vs "liberal" as what some of the "conservatives" assert around here.

The level of jackassedness would be similar here if allowed.  

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I'm not sure what posters gain by willingly crossing a line they know will get them banned. I get that there may be times when it's not completely clear why someone got a timeout. But, all too often, I see posts by people that they know will get them banned. To me, it's premeditated. 

Judging by some of the polls, this board skews well over middle age. Too many people acting like children. If someone on a random message board can upset you that much, then you should probably find a different outlet. 

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21 minutes ago, KCitons said:

I'm not sure what posters gain by willingly crossing a line they know will get them banned. I get that there may be times when it's not completely clear why someone got a timeout. But, all too often, I see posts by people that they know will get them banned. To me, it's premeditated. 

Judging by some of the polls, this board skews well over middle age. Too many people acting like children. If someone on a random message board can upset you that much, then you should probably find a different outlet. 

I can tell you in my case why.  I would get trolled and personally attacked for pages by 6 to 8 posters at a time.  At the lowest point in  moderation here left-leaning posters could get away with innuendos about posters being a pedophile and flat out call other posters a racist and mods would ignore because it would only be one report.  But for a conservative to get the mods attention you would have to make a rude post because that would get immediate attention because of a half-dozen plus abuse reports would be generated.   In the best case the mod might come in a say for both sides to stop it.  

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2 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I can tell you in my case why.  I would get trolled and personally attacked for pages by 6 to 8 posters at a time.  At the lowest point in  moderation here left-leaning posters could get away with innuendos about posters being a pedophile and flat out call other posters a racist and mods would ignore because it would only be one report.  But for a conservative to get the mods attention you would have to make a rude post because that would get immediate attention because of a half-dozen plus abuse reports would be generated.   In the best case the mod might come in a say for both sides to stop it.  

Are you a pedophile? Are you a racist? We are taught as children "sticks and stones".  Report the posts and move on. No need to even the score. It only gives the other person more power. 

If the mods or the board leans left, then you know going into every conversation understanding the rules. Even if you think they are unfair. Work within those rules to get make your point. Unless the topic of the thread is attacking you personally, then it shouldn't be taken personally. 

My point was simply that people know what they post is ban worthy. But, they choose to post it anyway. Don't complain about it. And don't complain about how others weren't given a timeout. Own your own actions and move on. It amazes me that people have been banned multiple times. Talk about not learning from your mistakes. 

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6 minutes ago, KCitons said:

Are you a pedophile? Are you a racist? We are taught as children "sticks and stones".  Report the posts and move on. No need to even the score. It only gives the other person more power. 

If the mods or the board leans left, then you know going into every conversation understanding the rules. Even if you think they are unfair. Work within those rules to get make your point. Unless the topic of the thread is attacking you personally, then it shouldn't be taken personally. 

My point was simply that people know what they post is ban worthy. But, they choose to post it anyway. Don't complain about it. And don't complain about how others weren't given a timeout. Own your own actions and move on. It amazes me that people have been banned multiple times. Talk about not learning from your mistakes. 

When someone calls you a racist or a pedophile and the mods do nothing, it rightly pisses you off.  This is compounded by the fact the you were just chastised or banned for far far less.  When the stated policies say one thing, but the implementation is done in a bias manner, the unjustness of it becomes a real sore point.  That said, over the past year the moderation has become far more balanced and fair.  And I believe my harping on it at least played a minor role in some of the shift.  

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Just now, jon_mx said:

When someone calls you a racist or a pedophile and the mods do nothing, it rightly pisses you off.  This is compounded by the fact the you were just chastised or banned for far far less.  When the stated policies say one thing, but the implementation is done in a bias manner, the unjustness of it becomes a real sore point.  That said, over the past year the moderation has become far more balanced and fair.  And I believe my harping on it at least played a minor role in some of the shift.  

I may not be the most educated, or the most worldly, but I do know that life isn't fair. The sooner one comes to accept that and move past it, the sooner things won't bother them. 

Have a good night Jon. 

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Just now, KCitons said:

I may not be the most educated, or the most worldly, but I do know that life isn't fair. The sooner one comes to accept that and move past it, the sooner things won't bother them. 

Have a good night Jon. 

Absolutely.  But when the unfairness is artificially created by men, it should be pointed out and rectified.  The principle of treating people fairly and equally and with respect is one which we should all strive for.  Good night.  

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37 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

When someone calls you a racist or a pedophile and the mods do nothing, it rightly pisses you off.  This is compounded by the fact the you were just chastised or banned for far far less.  When the stated policies say one thing, but the implementation is done in a bias manner, the unjustness of it becomes a real sore point.  That said, over the past year the moderation has become far more balanced and fair.  And I believe my harping on it at least played a minor role in some of the shift.  

I never used to report anyone as I really didn't care what people said.  However, after getting banned a few times for pretty harmless stuff I started reporting people who did stuff at the same level I did or worse.  It was more a fairness issue for me.  It has to go both ways.

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35 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Absolutely.  But when the unfairness is artificially created by men, it should be pointed out and rectified.  The principle of treating people fairly and equally and with respect is one which we should all strive for.  Good night.  

When both sides complain about unfair moderation I’d say that’s a pretty good sign that the moderation is fair.  I suspect more anti-Trumpers get TOs than you’re giving credit for

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I see this thread got some action today. I only posted the 🙂 thing as a tongue in cheek. Political correctness is getting out of control and I'm happy to see FBG not cave to something so outrageous. 

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5 hours ago, Max Power said:

I see this thread got some action today. I only posted the 🙂 thing as a tongue in cheek. Political correctness is getting out of control and I'm happy to see FBG not cave to something so outrageous. 

Wait... 🙂

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8 hours ago, jon_mx said:

The level of jackassedness would be similar here if allowed.  

Right (I actually think it'd probably go up a bit if allowed here.)....those types of people would be allowed to behave that way.  Glad it's not tolerated here.  That's a good thing as far as I can see :shrug: 

 

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7 hours ago, Dickies said:

When both sides complain about unfair moderation I’d say that’s a pretty good sign that the moderation is fair.  I suspect more anti-Trumpers get TOs than you’re giving credit for

There are periods of time during crackdowns where both sides are given timeouts for ridiculously lame reasons and the both sides arguement has some merits.  But the results of what this forum has become strongly suggests something else usually goes on.  

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I browse this thread from time to time and it’s always the same gripe. Perhaps there she be some kind of Mod for a day program which may provide perspective for some of our alleged wayward FBGs. Thoughts?

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2 hours ago, Osaurus said:

I browse this thread from time to time and it’s always the same gripe. Perhaps there she be some kind of Mod for a day program which may provide perspective for some of our alleged wayward FBGs. Thoughts?

Here is one scenerio that played out, let's guess what the result was.

A liberal poster posted a completely unprovolked pofanity ridden personal attack against me.  Instead of responding and making a show, I ignored it and immediately reported it.  What do you believe the moderator's action was:

A.  Delete the post and permaban the poster.

B.  Give the poster a timeout and delete the post. 

C.  Give a warning to the poster and delete the post

D.  Let the post stand for abouy two hours.  Use mod powers to edit the post without showing the post was even edited and keeping most of the personal attacks in the post with only the profanity and over the top part of the attack removed thereby covering up it even happened and making me look like a liar for saying it did. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Here is one scenerio that played out, let's guess what the result was.

A liberal poster posted a completely unprovolked pofanity ridden personal attack against me.  Instead of responding and making a show, I ignored it and immediately reported it.  What do you believe the moderator's action was:

A.  Delete the post and permaban the poster.

B.  Give the poster a timeout and delete the post. 

C.  Give a warning to the poster and delete the post

D.  Let the post stand for abouy two hours.  Use mod powers to edit the post without showing the post was even edited and keeping most of the personal attacks in the post with only the profanity and over the top part of the attack removed thereby covering up it even happened and making me look like a liar for saying it did. 

 

 

:hey:D!

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29 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Here is one scenerio that played out, let's guess what the result was.

A liberal poster posted a completely unprovolked pofanity ridden personal attack against me.  Instead of responding and making a show, I ignored it and immediately reported it.  What do you believe the moderator's action was:

A.  Delete the post and permaban the poster.

B.  Give the poster a timeout and delete the post. 

C.  Give a warning to the poster and delete the post

D.  Let the post stand for abouy two hours.  Use mod powers to edit the post without showing the post was even edited and keeping most of the personal attacks in the post with only the profanity and over the top part of the attack removed thereby covering up it even happened and making me look like a liar for saying it did. 

 

 

Joe would likely be a "B".  There are two others that are usually always a "D"

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Sorry.  Don't really understand what this is all about.   I have never reported a post, or a poster...I don't know why I would.  I "ignore" no one.  

As far as me being offended.  It's a flippin bulletin board.  You can call me every horrible name in the book, insult me, my family, my shoe size...I couldn't care even the littlest bit.   I guess I can see why people might be offended, especially on a left leaning message board where feelings are very very important(smarmy)...But i don't care.  Smack my a** and call me Judy for all I care--I can promise I will never use the report feature.  Or the ignore feature.   

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26 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Joe would likely be a "B".  There are two others that are usually always a "D"

That is pretty accurate.  It started off with D and then Joe looked into it and it turned into a B.  

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4 hours ago, Max Power said:

Nevermind. They caved. 

Rest assured, we think the smiley thing is dumb. But we have no intention of spending any time or energy arguing about it.

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Looks like the bathroom thread got the axe. That was good, productive discussion about how I was mentally ill, too. 

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8 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Looks like the bathroom thread got the axe. That was good, productive discussion about how I was mentally ill, too. 

Seemed unnecessary to axe it unless you requested it. I don’t think it was a great thread  but there was some room for learning in it. 

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4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Seemed unnecessary to axe it unless you requested it. I don’t think it was a great thread  but there was some room for learning in it. 

Yep. No moderation actions or suggestions taken on my end. Total unwitting axe. I was just coming in to check on it because I was about to get into it in another thread, too, so it wasn't like I had a change of heart about really anything. :shrug:

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That thread was a good learning opportunity for some , shame on anyone reporting it. The feckless mod should've realized this

 

smh

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13 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Seemed unnecessary to axe it unless you requested it. I don’t think it was a great thread  but there was some room for learning in it. 

The room is still there.  The thread is unnecessary for anyone who wants to fill it with learning.   

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13 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

 but there was some room for learning in it.

I think a lot of learning and hopefully empathy could've come from that thread. If only we treated people the way we want to be treated

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3 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The room is still there.  The thread is unnecessary for anyone who wants to fill it with learning.   

keep shutting down those with differing opinions doesn't help change minds

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4 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Trannsexy talk too uncomfortable for some peeps I guess. Too bad. 

You seem especially interested in this topic.

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3 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

You seem especially interested in this topic.

This place could use some flair. 

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8 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

keep shutting down those with differing opinions doesn't help change minds

I didn’t close the thread. Nor report it. 

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23 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Yep. No moderation actions or suggestions taken on my end. Total unwitting axe. I was just coming in to check on it because I was about to get into it in another thread, too, so it wasn't like I had a change of heart about really anything. :shrug:

Have you checked to see if it was moved to the Test Forum?

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3 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I didn’t close the thread. Nor report it. 

Right you were just part of the dogpile. 

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Just now, Mister CIA said:

Have you checked to see if it was moved to the Test Forum?

I'm personally a Beta tester, so I wouldn't know anything about Alphaville, really. 

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14 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

keep shutting down those with differing opinions doesn't help change minds

Every thread is him beating others down with post after post after post after post of his opinion and attacking those that disagree as he did to rockaction in that thread.  He's the new Tim.

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I'm personally a Beta tester, so I wouldn't know anything about Alphaville, really. 

They're pretty big in Japan, believe me , I know

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

He's the new Tim

:lmao:

C'mon now , don't put that on him

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45 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Seemed unnecessary to axe it unless you requested it. I don’t think it was a great thread  but there was some room for learning in it. 

It was an uncomfortable thread. But it was real.

No sense in axing the entire thread, it's a lost opportunity to learn and grow, as a community. I'd also suggest that deleting the thread relieves all of us posting of having to face the words we chose. That, is a shame.

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