Starting a new thread on specifically Cutler in Miami.
How do you see him finishing this year?
How do you see him finishing this year?
Add Thomas to the mix with the way Gase and Cutler use TEs. He would be Marty Bennett value in this offense.Huge bump for Parker IMO. Cutler locks onto big strong receivers.
I completely disagree with this.SELL
Kenny Stills
With a lower volume projection, the ancillary weapons are the most notably impacted. Stills was relevant in 2016 with 81 targets, but his nine touchdowns (on 42 receptions) is a clear regression stat. Stills is a hold in best ball formats with his 'any week' big play possibility, but in traditional formats, Stills is a sell (or avoid) with higher competition for targets and a slight downshift in passing volume as the projected No.3 receiver. Stills would need a 'what if' scenario involving extended time missed by Jarvis Landry or DeVante Parker to emerge back on the typical fantasy league depth radar.
So what role will Landry have?I agree with JWB comments above.
Using Denver as the template Stills is playing Emanuel Sanders role in the offense, Parker will play the DeMarius Thomas role.
Stills still has value in this passing game, including if Matt Moore starts some games.
I think he would do better than Tannehill. Tannehill is brutal with balls downfield which I think Cutler can improve on.Starting a new thread on specifically Cutler in Miami.
How do you see him finishing this year?
Thanks @Just Win Baby I've asked Chad to see more what he's thinking there. I see Stills as a "sell" from last year meaning I think his 2016 TDs were an outlier. We see him for 5 TDs this year. But that's not related to Cutler. We see him as WR 61 this year.From today's FBG email on the subject:
I completely disagree with this.
I assume "downshift in passing volume" means fewer passing attempts... MIA was already #31 in passing attempts with 477 last season. In 2015, with Gase as OC, Fox as HC (read: conservative offense), and Cutler at QB -- the season everyone keeps referencing as Cutler's best -- CHI had 523 passing attempts.
I see MIA passing attempts increasing with Cutler at QB. I see Landry's target share decreasing in favor of shifting targets to Parker, Stills, and Ajayi. If Stills plays 16 games, I don't see his 81 targets dropping; he is the best deep threat on the team, which plays to Cutler's live arm. Stills is also still the 25 year old who MIA just signed to a 4 year $32M contract in the offseason.
Sure, Stills may not repeat 9 TDs, as that is a high number. But I don't see losing a couple TDs as turning him into a sell. At least not in leagues with any depth of rostered players.
pardon me for butting in, but doesn't your logic imply that Parker ascends? if so, what have we seen that suggests he will?Thanks @Just Win Baby I've asked Chad to see more what he's thinking there. I see Stills as a "sell" from last year meaning I think his 2016 TDs were an outlier. We see him for 5 TDs this year. But that's not related to Cutler. We see him as WR 61 this year.
Where do you have him ranked?
We see Parker around WR30 http://subscribers.footballguys.com/myfbg/myviewprojections.php?projforwhat=wr&projector=2&profile=0pardon me for butting in, but doesn't your logic imply that Parker ascends? if so, what have we seen that suggests he will?
Yes I know. The feeling is that Parker sheds nagging injuries and does 15% better than what he has shown.
Looking at the two players careers the highest Tannehill has finished is QB 9 in 2014 his 3rd season.My first thought was better but looking at it more I don't see how that's a very reasonable projection. His fantasy numbers in Chicago were generally worse than what Tannehill was putting up in Miami and Cutler had some pretty good WRs in Chicago for a spell.
Even with a healthy Marshall/Alshon Cutler put up just 15.3ppg, a number that Tannehill eclipsed for 3 straight years with worse surrounding talent prior to last year's debacle.
Cutler's career best for a season is 255 fantasy points, which Tannehill has eclipsed twice as well.
In full disclosure, Twitter is the worst place for a polls in my opinion...but this poll here you posted is what I expected considering how "popular" Cutler isnt.FWIW, you guys are higher on Cutler than my guys on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/894273433311207424
I tend to agree more with you guys here.
Seems your hate for Cutler is much deeper than fantasy if you think that is being kind. We have all owned Cutler in our years, he isnt good, but with a new team, things change. Is he a stud? No, is he in the bottom third with Kesslers and McCowns? No.Lower third in the league and only startable in two qb leagues or as a bye week replacement and that is being kind.
Tough to say. 14-team superflex seems like QBs are pretty valuable. I would look back at what some past QBs have gone for and figure where you slot Cutler in alongside them.I've got him slotted in the QB19-24 range.
What's he worth in terms of FAAB % in a 14 team superflex dynasty league? I'm interested in picking him up, but I don't want to spend my whole FAAB to do it. Any thoughts or advice?
Fools gold. That's my name for him. I held him before and suffered disappointment, as have all who have grabbed ahold of the iron pyrite.Starting a new thread on specifically Cutler in Miami.
How do you see him finishing this year?
Zero concern for me. It's good that it sounds like they are recognizing they may have to monitor his throwing as he builds up to avoid a dead arm. He has a month to get ready.How much of a concern is it that Cutler is reporting this late and is reportedly out if shape?
Pat Kirwin of Sirius NFL said that he didn't think Cutler would be able to jump right in since he hasn't been throwing, i.e. he wouldn't be able to do all of the first team 11v11 right away and his throwing would need to be monitored
It looks like things have evened out a bit now with more votes.FWIW, you guys are higher on Cutler than my guys on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/894273433311207424
I tend to agree more with you guys here.
He still has to win the job.How much of a concern is it that Cutler is reporting this late and is reportedly out if shape?
Pat Kirwin of Sirius NFL said that he didn't think Cutler would be able to jump right in since he hasn't been throwing, i.e. he wouldn't be able to do all of the first team 11v11 right away and his throwing would need to be monitored
You would think so, but I doubt they paid him $10 million to be a back up...more importantly, I doubt he came out of retirement to be a backup, so he likely has a gentlemen's agreement with Gase that he will at the worst get be the week one starter.He still has to win the job.
Sure, but if Moore is clearly better I think Gase will go with the player that gives the team the best shot to win. It will probably be Cutler, but just isn't a foregone conclusion. This is going to be a battle over the next few weeks.You would think so, but I doubt they paid him $10 million to be a back up...more importantly, I doubt he came out of retirement to be a backup, so he likely has a gentlemen's agreement with Gase that he will at the worst get be the week one starter.
Cutler in 15 games 2015 TD 4.3% INT 2.3% YPA 7.6 AYPA 7.4 SACK 5.7% Jeffrey (9 games) Martellus Bennett (11 games) Matt Forte (13 games) Marquess Wilson (11 games 6 starts) Eddie Royal (9 games)Chaka said:Tannehill and Cutler have both played one season in Gase's system.
Tannehill outperformed Cutler in virtually every metric except INT%.
I'm not optimistic about Cutler or the Dolphins in general.