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RB Nyheim Hines, CLE (1 Viewer)

It's pretty obvious who the RB to own in Indy is

Leads all Colts RB in snaps

Tied for Wilkins with 7 red zone looks (Wilkins got 4 in week 1 and has been trending down ever since with 0 in week 4)

3rd in team targets behind Hilton and Ebron

Has home run breakaway speed

In an offense that emphasizes quick throws from Luck to keep him from getting hit like in years past

On a team with a poor defense resulting in catch up mode game scripts

Luck still has it and is trending up

Hines showing flashes to be Kamara of 2018.

Hines first 4 weeks of NFL career:

18 rush 54 yards 1 rush TD

22 rec 26 targets 119 yards 2 recTD

Kamara first 4 weeks of NFL career:

15 rush 83 yards 1 rush TD

20 rec 28 targets 147 yards 1 recTD

 
steelwind said:
It's pretty obvious who the RB to own in Indy is

Leads all Colts RB in snaps

Tied for Wilkins with 7 red zone looks (Wilkins got 4 in week 1 and has been trending down ever since with 0 in week 4)

3rd in team targets behind Hilton and Ebron

Has home run breakaway speed

In an offense that emphasizes quick throws from Luck to keep him from getting hit like in years past

On a team with a poor defense resulting in catch up mode game scripts

Luck still has it and is trending up

Hines showing flashes to be Kamara of 2018.

Hines first 4 weeks of NFL career:

18 rush 54 yards 1 rush TD

22 rec 26 targets 119 yards 2 recTD

Kamara first 4 weeks of NFL career:

15 rush 83 yards 1 rush TD

20 rec 28 targets 147 yards 1 recTD
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Good stuff.  In a full point PPR he is a must start given the atrocious RB production out there (Collins, Howard, Miller, McCoy, Fournette, Cook, etc etc).

I don't understand folks being hesitant being only a flex play.  He's carved out a role now and he's obviously a play maker. 

He's currently 1st in receptions on the team and right now with both Hilton and Doyle out and Luck throwing short passes as an extension of their running game (because they can't run) this guy is going to be valuable.

 
I think I'll be starting him this week.  Short week, with probably no Hilton or Doyle.  Playing NE on the road.  Indy should be playing from behind most of the game. 

 
I'm interested and will probably make a move for him in waivers and thats for non ppr. With RB being so volatile this year, I like the way he is trending in snaps, red zone looks and for general game scripts for INDY

 
The Frankman said:
Hines game seemed to me an compilation of 3 things: 1) Indy got behind a lot 2) Indy is lacking at TE 3) Indy has no running game to speak of.

When Doyle gets healthy and Turbin enters the RB committee that will blunt a lot of Hines' momentum. 
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the turbin love in fantasy worlds is... confusing to me.

if you were the colts coaches, would you... even let turbin touch the ball instead of hines?? i wouldn't. turbin is a turd.

 
strong said:
the turbin love in fantasy worlds is... confusing to me.

if you were the colts coaches, would you... even let turbin touch the ball instead of hines?? i wouldn't. turbin is a turd.
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I would let someone else touch the ball and split work with Hines because Hines isn't actually a good running back. Much like James White, I don't really consider him a running back.

 
strong said:
the turbin love in fantasy worlds is... confusing to me.

if you were the colts coaches, would you... even let turbin touch the ball instead of hines?? i wouldn't. turbin is a turd.
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I get it as Turbin never really has ascended, whether because of injury or opportunity (or using PEDs). He's not a world beater, but I remember seeing him in action in SEA and he passes some eye tests to me. He's a solid if way less than spectacular NFL running back, if he can just stay on the field, and I can see how an NFL team in this day and age of rotational approaches would want to leverage him on a few touches.

 
strong said:
the turbin love in fantasy worlds is... confusing to me.

if you were the colts coaches, would you... even let turbin touch the ball instead of hines?? i wouldn't. turbin is a turd.
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I don’t get this either? Turbin coming back, to me, means absolutely nothing. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
I would let someone else touch the ball and split work with Hines because Hines isn't actually a good running back. Much like James White, I don't really consider him a running back.
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nobody on that roster is. and so, i suspect the team will see if hines can run between the tackles some, if for nothing else than to keep defenses honest when he's on the field (for 3/4 of the plays!).

(i also suspect the fantasy community made up their minds on hines and this situation a long time ago and are having a hard time reevaluating it...)

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I get it as Turbin never really has ascended, whether because of injury or opportunity (or using PEDs). He's not a world beater, but I remember seeing him in action in SEA and he passes some eye tests to me. He's a solid if way less than spectacular NFL running back, if he can just stay on the field, and I can see how an NFL team in this day and age of rotational approaches would want to leverage him on a few touches.
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but... hines has arguably shown more than that and he's only played 4 games... 

i know it's a fool's folly to try to peer inside a coach's head, but i just dont see many reasonable possibilities other than the colts really try to see what they have in hines. he's got the top end speed to be a real freak in this league and the colts don't have any other dangerous options outside of hilton. wilkins, mack and turbin are all... pretty meh. if i was wearing a colts visor, i keep my lips shut on hines and keep playing him all game every game like we've been doing...

 
strong said:
nobody on that roster is. and so, i suspect the team will see if hines can run between the tackles some, if for nothing else than to keep defenses honest when he's on the field (for 3/4 of the plays!).

(i also suspect the fantasy community made up their minds on hines and this situation a long time ago and are having a hard time reevaluating it...)
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I haven't, I really like Hines.

But I'm also being realistic. When Mack played in week 2 he really cut into Hines' workload, their skillsets overlap a bit.

And I've watched enough of Hines to know that he's pretty limited as a runner. He's great in Reich's system and Luck trusts him but it is what it is. I don't think Turbin/Wilkins will have a huge impact on him. I'm really only interested in what his snaps/touches look like when Mack is healthy. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
I haven't, I really like Hines.

But I'm also being realistic. When Mack played in week 2 he really cut into Hines' workload, their skillsets overlap a bit.

And I've watched enough of Hines to know that he's pretty limited as a runner. He's great in Reich's system and Luck trusts him but it is what it is. I don't think Turbin/Wilkins will have a huge impact on him. I'm really only interested in what his snaps/touches look like when Mack is healthy. 
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the argument can be made that he cut into wilkins' workload.

hines snap count stayed pretty even week 1 and 2. it took a slight dip but nothing drastic.

wilkins had his snap count cut in half when mack was active.

since week 2, hines snap count has blown up and wilkins' playing time continues to shrink.

we'll know more tomorrow night, but my prediction is mack cuts into wilkins tomorrow, wilkins hardly plays and hines is still on the field for 50+% of the plays.

 
strong said:
the turbin love in fantasy worlds is... confusing to me.

if you were the colts coaches, would you... even let turbin touch the ball instead of hines?? i wouldn't. turbin is a turd.
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Turbin has been good in the past in short yardage and GL situations.

 
strong said:
we'll know more tomorrow night, but my prediction is mack cuts into wilkins tomorrow, wilkins hardly plays and hines is still on the field for 50+% of the plays.
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This is definitely a possibility. I'm more so concerned about target share, as Hines has seen 17%, 3%, 12% and 18% of the targets respectively - with that 3% total coming in week 2 when Mack played and saw 6% of the targets.

I'm assuming most people are hoping Hines ends up holding value in PPR formats, so the hope is that his passing game involvement doesn't change when Mack is back.

I'm not really a believer in Mack but he's still on the roster and I'm assuming IND still plans to use him whenever he gets over whatever lower body injury he's dealing with.

 
I’m starting Hines again this week and even more confident with Hilton presumably out. What’s not to like? He’s essentially their only playmaker on offense with Hilton out. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
This is definitely a possibility. I'm more so concerned about target share, as Hines has seen 17%, 3%, 12% and 18% of the targets respectively - with that 3% total coming in week 2 when Mack played and saw 6% of the targets.

I'm assuming most people are hoping Hines ends up holding value in PPR formats, so the hope is that his passing game involvement doesn't change when Mack is back.

I'm not really a believer in Mack but he's still on the roster and I'm assuming IND still plans to use him whenever he gets over whatever lower body injury he's dealing with.
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i agree that the target share isn't what you want to see (and that's why his ownership % remains so low). it's a solid point but i'm a bit more persuaded by the large playing time this early in his career, especially considering that everyone thought this guy was just a special teams specialist and the coaches who have watched him every day for 4 months seem to disagree.

sometimes the snap count follows the production. but other times the production follows the snap count with the younger guys... i'm eager to watch tomorrow's game.

 
SameSongNDance said:
I'm more so concerned about target share, as Hines has seen 17%, 3%, 12% and 18% of the targets respectively - with that 3% total coming in week 2 when Mack played and saw 6% of the targets.
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Week 2 was also the Colts' only win, affecting game flow

W1: 53 pass, 19 run

W2: 31 pass, 24 run

W3: 40 pass, 11 run

W4: 62 pass, 12 run

One would assume Thursday night in Foxboro will have the Colts playing from behind, perhaps giving an accurate view of the Hines/Mack split in the passing game

 
strong said:
and hilton and doyle.

i have to think hines is a top 25 play in standard this week and a top 20 in PPR.
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Bold, but not out of the realm of possibility. Hilton and Doyle give him that shot to crack Top 20 in PPR. 

But if I'm putting money where my mouth is, I actually see both White and Michel on the other side of the ball having a better chance of cracking Top 20 this week than Hines.

I don't have a stake in any of these guys, but you can bet I'm rooting for Hines -- will be rooting for the underdog, and I've liked Hines' development and game skills so far. 

 
I'm glad I nabbed him off waivers, but I don't think I can flex tomorrow over Aaron Jones or Alex Collins. I get that the Colts don't have many choices other than to get him the ball, but this game is going to be ugly. BB at home vs. a very banged up offense that is pretty one-dimensional to begin with? Might be another 38-7 game. I'd love to be wrong and have him tear it up again though.

 
Man In The Box said:
I'm glad I nabbed him off waivers, but I don't think I can flex tomorrow over Aaron Jones or Alex Collins. I get that the Colts don't have many choices other than to get him the ball, but this game is going to be ugly. BB at home vs. a very banged up offense that is pretty one-dimensional to begin with? Might be another 38-7 game. I'd love to be wrong and have him tear it up again though.
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I'm absolutely flexing him over Collins

 
shadyridr said:
I'm absolutely flexing him over Collins
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i put hines in over collins. (standard) 

i might put collins back in at flex closer to sunday depending on my receivers, but between the two, i'd rather roll with hines. i have a feeling collins isn't going to see much action near the goalline and that limits his ceiling a bit in my eyes. and i'd rather bet on hines taking one of his touches to the house.

 
Standard league I’m having a hard time starting him over Coleman in my flex.  Even with Freeman returning.

 
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He's still available in one league - waivers running tonight - running back needy. Thinking of going big with a 61% wager.  Anyone have FAAB on this guy?

 
meyerj31 said:
He's still available in one league - waivers running tonight - running back needy. Thinking of going big with a 61% wager.  Anyone have FAAB on this guy?
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I won him for 27% in one league and bidding 37% in my other. Will know tonight about that one. 

 
I hope they keep giving him touches because I really need a 2nd RB to produce.  I'm putting him in over Carson this week.  That Seattle backfield is a mess.

 
I just don't see who the Patriots have on defense to take Hines away. Hines has speed and quicks to be a matchup problem for any linebacker or DB the Pats can throw at him. 

Colts are unlikely to suddenly establish the ground game, so short passes to Hines out of the backfield figures to serve as an extension of the running game. Those catches might not amount to a lot of yardage but I feel like he's a safe bet for 5-6 catches. 

 
In over Collins and Lindsay - my decision is a little easier as my opponent is starting Luck.  I would think Indy will be running plays this week with him lined up at WR as well.  And he would be a matchup nightmare in the slot.

 
Playing him over AP in half ppr. Like others have said, I think he catches a lot of balls as an extension of their non-existent running game. I think AP will be limited against the Saints when they eventually fall behind. 

 
I see a solid floor in PPR formats with 20 points in the realm of possibilities... Even without a touchdown. I am considering him over White tonight, who is averaging 19.5 in PPR.

 
BigAl21 said:
I see a solid floor in PPR formats with 20 points in the realm of possibilities... Even without a touchdown. I am considering him over White tonight, who is averaging 19.5 in PPR.
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Playing both Hines & White, never would have thought I'd be relying on these guys but Bell's sailing or releasing rap albums or something completely unrelated to football and I'm sick of waiting for Drake to do something, anything while Lamar Miller looks like a dead man walking. So there you go, on the train. 

 
this usage is a bit surprising. a lot of up-the-gut carries for him tonight.

he's been on the field almost every play except for one drive. he definitely seems like the guy right now. not sure how long his leash is, but it's clear the coaches think of him differently than the fantasy community...

 
Seems like they need to try and get him the ball in space, dudes got 4.3 speed, hard to use it running between the tackles. 

 
strong said:
this usage is a bit surprising. a lot of up-the-gut carries for him tonight.

he's been on the field almost every play except for one drive. he definitely seems like the guy right now. not sure how long his leash is, but it's clear the coaches think of him differently than the fantasy community...
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Looks decent; looks game plan dependent. Mostly a hold at the moment.

 
I definitely spent too much money on him in both leagues and i don't understand why they kept trying to run up the middle with him but do think he's a hold.

 
He's not the guy right now.  Barely playing last couple series.  Went from early down back to 3rd down back to back on the sidelines.  Hope they give him more opportunity in the 4th.

 
C-Bound said:
He's not the guy right now.  Barely playing last couple series.  Went from early down back to 3rd down back to back on the sidelines.  Hope they give him more opportunity in the 4th.
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Yeah well Wilkins is running better than him 

 
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