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So when they show the player's cards on TV everybody can seem them, right?  

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Just now, T-shirt Ninja said:

So when they show the player's cards on TV everybody can seem them, right?  

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2 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

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They show what cards each player has on TV.  Why not just bring a TV to the table?   WALA.

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aa vs kk vs kk . sic

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Sick hand. I was hoping for Q-J-10 on the flop. :)

BTW, what's the deal with having to pay the waitresses when you're down to 10 people remaining? You'd think that the casino or the WSOP or ESPN would find a way to run a tab for these guys so it didn't look like they were in a cheap dive bar.

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I had no idea they got rid of that stupid November 9. So much better playing it right away.

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Imagine Lebron James reaching into his shorts to grab some cash the next time someone brings him a Gatorade on the bench. COME ON!!!

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what channel are you guys watching the final table on?  I can't find it on twitch or ESPN. 

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5 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

what channel are you guys watching the final table on?  I can't find it on twitch or ESPN. 

 

5 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

what channel are you guys watching the final table on?  I can't find it on twitch or ESPN. 

ESPN just ended for the day. 

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11 hours ago, Getzlaf15 said:

Even money I wind up playing with Phil tomorrow in the HORSE .  LOL

Ask him why he's in the HORSE event, since he sucks at everything other than hold'em, then consistently 3 bet him in razz for ####s and giggles.

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21 minutes ago, Fat Drunk and Stupid said:

Ask him why he's in the HORSE event, since he sucks at everything other than hold'em, then consistently 3 bet him in razz for ####s and giggles.

Phil's actually really good at razz and mixed games.  His razz record lately is pretty sick.  

It's odd that the guy he played heads up against last night quit shoving all in and started playing Phil small ball with him. 

My first wsop cash was ten years ago in a horse.  Phil finished third in that.  I've never played with him. He's been at the next table several times. I would love to 3 bet him to death and get him to tilt.  

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14 hours ago, msudaisy26 said:

I have dealt some charity poker events before and what Hellmuth did was wrong. As a dealer we would ask him to please stop since there are other people in the hand. If he didn't he would be given a 1 or 2 round penalty. 

Everyone did the right thing after, the guy asked Hellmuth to not do that again and Hellmuth realized he was wrong and may have cost the guy his tournament and offered to compensate. Doesn't seem to be a big deal. 

unless you are the one being eliminated from maybe one of your only lifetime chances at winning millions.....and do we really think 10 grand is that big of a "punishment" to Phil....

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14 hours ago, munga30 said:

Phil paid.  He bought JCamby33 in for next year's ME.  

not much of a punishment to Phil...

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7 hours ago, Getzlaf15 said:

aa vs kk vs kk . sic

The guy holding AA is from my home town.. I don't know him, but a few of my friends do...

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38 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

not much of a punishment to Phil...

Not a punishment at all. But a cool thing to do in that situation.  It's not Phil's fault he's not called out on it.  A wsop official is always in that area.  

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41 minutes ago, Getzlaf15 said:

Not a punishment at all. But a cool thing to do in that situation.  It's not Phil's fault he's not called out on it.  A wsop official is always in that area.  

I guess my thing is...no matter if he buys this guys entry fee for the next ten years....he still never gets this particular opportunity to win 8.8 million back...it is what it is...and the guy most likely wasn't going to win it all...but still...

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Posted (edited)

phil_hellmuth✔@phil_hellmuth

@JCamby33 I lost some sleep over my outburst. I believe you lose the hand anyway, but maybe I am wrong. You handled yourself well, and played well. As a gesture of goodwill, and because I respect policeman and firefighters: I’m going to buy you into 2019 $10,000 @WSOP Main Event

4:53 AM - Jul 8, 2018

 

so if Camby would have been humping it as a clerk at 7-11..or a truck driver.....he may have been SOL for next year....

this guy....:rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

unless you are the one being eliminated from maybe one of your only lifetime chances at winning millions.....and do we really think 10 grand is that big of a "punishment" to Phil....

Read the rest of the thread. 

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Just now, msudaisy26 said:

Read the rest of the thread. 

I did...whats up

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11 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I did...whats up

That is sad, because your what if is dumb. 

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1 minute ago, msudaisy26 said:

That is sad, because your what if is dumb. 

I'm still not sure what you mean...what am I missing...apologize ahead of time if I'm off track on something

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4 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I'm still not sure what you mean...what am I missing...apologize ahead of time if I'm off track on something

I said it wasn't a big deal because Hellmuth made it right. Then you gave a what if this was his only chance, but failed to look at the big picture. 

What if Hellmuth outburst made that guy call and his hand holds up? 

What if Hellmuth says nothing and the guy wins the hand? He is still short stacked and a long shot. 

What if Hellmuth changes his mind after the other player folds and knocks him out? 

What if this guy gets a free roll into the event next year and wins It?

What if it was a regular guy and he stands up and starts yelling at Hellmuth for costing his tournament?

The answer is who cares. Hellmuth made it right and everything is good, it should be a non issue now. 

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12 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

I said it wasn't a big deal because Hellmuth made it right. Then you gave a what if this was his only chance, but failed to look at the big picture. 

What if Hellmuth outburst made that guy call and his hand holds up? 

What if Hellmuth says nothing and the guy wins the hand? He is still short stacked and a long shot. 

What if Hellmuth changes his mind after the other player folds and knocks him out? 

What if this guy gets a free roll into the event next year and wins It?

What if it was a regular guy and he stands up and starts yelling at Hellmuth for costing his tournament?

The answer is who cares. Hellmuth made it right and everything is good, it should be a non issue now. 

I'm basing off of what happened, not a bunch of what if's....what Phil did directly contributed to knocking him out...and he can never get that opportunity back...if I have a half court shot for a million dollars and you knock my ball out of the air as it is approaching the rim....I never get that shot back and who knows if it would have gone in...you can arrange for me to get 10 more shots....who knows if I hit any of those....but I will still never get that first shot back...honestly there really is no way to really "make it right"...its too late....buying him in next year, doesn't make it right....it maybe is an offering to make the best of a bad situation, as Camby acknowledged...but it will never be "all good"...thats the "big picture"...

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Maybe Camby had no intention of playing again next year and he goes on to run deep and cash for more than he would have this year, only because Phil bought him in.

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Oh ####, but what if he takes that big score and goes off the rails with hookers and blow and loses his house and wife and kids and ends up homeless and destitute, blowing johns for rock all because Phil bought him in next year??

 

####### Phil, what an ####### he just completely ruined Camby's future life.

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Regardless of any potential outcomes (guy busts on next hand, wins it all, ends up hooking up with Hellmuth later that night in his suite, etc.), Hellmuth's actions are inexcusable.  He's a #### for doing that.  This certainly isn't his first tournament.

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Do people think that Helmuth knowingly showed emotion before it was his turn to act on purpose or do most believe that he just brainfarted and reacted  forgetting (or not thinking) there was another live hand in front of him?   If it was a brain fart moment- I think people are piling on way too hard. Even professional athletes have brain fart moments and all they can do is their best to make things right. I think him paying for a buy in next year is plenty enough. 

Helmuth had no control in if the wsop should or shouldn’t punish him. I play lots of poker and I’ve accidentally acted out of line before. It’s not a common thing but I assure you that every poker player has done it.

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52 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I'm basing off of what happened, not a bunch of what if's....what Phil did directly contributed to knocking him out...and he can never get that opportunity back...if I have a half court shot for a million dollars and you knock my ball out of the air as it is approaching the rim....I never get that shot back and who knows if it would have gone in...you can arrange for me to get 10 more shots....who knows if I hit any of those....but I will still never get that first shot back...honestly there really is no way to really "make it right"...its too late....buying him in next year, doesn't make it right....it maybe is an offering to make the best of a bad situation, as Camby acknowledged...but it will never be "all good"...thats the "big picture"...

Except you are basing it on a what if. You made up a totally untrue scenario about this maybe being the only shot he has at millions. 

Hellmuth made a mistake, the dealer made a mistake. Hellmuth apologized and made it right. This happens all the time. It is a non issue. 

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9 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

Do people think that Helmuth knowingly showed emotion before it was his turn to act on purpose or do most believe that he just brainfarted and reacted  forgetting (or not thinking) there was another live hand in front of him?   If it was a brain fart moment- I think people are piling on way too hard. Even professional athletes have brain fart moments and all they can do is their best to make things right. I think him paying for a buy in next year is plenty enough. 

Helmuth had no control in if the wsop should or shouldn’t punish him. I play lots of poker and I’ve accidentally acted out of line before. It’s not a common thing but I assure you that every poker player has done it.

I disagree.  I think many of us here play lots of poker ("lots" can be debated of course) and many of us don't say a word until we at least know we're heads up.

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14 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

Do people think that Helmuth knowingly showed emotion before it was his turn to act on purpose or do most believe that he just brainfarted and reacted  forgetting (or not thinking) there was another live hand in front of him?   If it was a brain fart moment- I think people are piling on way too hard. Even professional athletes have brain fart moments and all they can do is their best to make things right. I think him paying for a buy in next year is plenty enough. 

Helmuth had no control in if the wsop should or shouldn’t punish him. I play lots of poker and I’ve accidentally acted out of line before. It’s not a common thing but I assure you that every poker player has done it.

If you're going to do that shtick for the camera, you have to be aware if it's your turn to act or if you're heads up or whatever. If it affects the hand I don't think it matters if it was unintentional or not.

I think the whole "poker brat" act is lame but I'll take it over those guys who go into the tank every single time it's their turn. The guy in the black sweatshirt started to annoy me last night. Just freakin act. No need to put on a show for every obvious lay down. 

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1 minute ago, eoMMan said:

I disagree.  I think many of us here play lots of poker ("lots" can be debated of course) and many of us don't say a word until we at least know we're heads up.

Oh come on. You’ve played lots of poker and have never accidentally bet, called or folded out of line?  I find that impossible to believe

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4 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

Oh come on. You’ve played lots of poker and have never accidentally bet, called or folded out of line?  I find that impossible to believe

Did you read or hear what Hellmuth did?

It's not like he accidentally put out a bet/call/fold.  It was a "verbal tirade".

I think we're all guilty of accidentally acting out of turn in regards to betting/calling/folding.  My response was related to verbal actions and talking.

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7 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

Did you read or hear what Hellmuth did?

It's not like he accidentally put out a bet/call/fold.  It was a "verbal tirade".

I think we're all guilty of accidentally acting out of turn in regards to betting/calling/folding.  My response was related to verbal actions and talking.

If he brainfarted and forgot the guy ahead of him was in the hand or somehow brainfarted and thought the guy ahead of him had already mucked- he’s effectively guilty of playing out of line. The idea is that the verbal tirade gave away the fact that he was going to fold. He effectively acted out of order no matter how you want to spin it.

I assure you that virtually no poker player on the planet has imposed a $10k fine on themselves for doing so.  Do you really think his intention was to dictate the other players action in the hand or do you think he reacted not thinking/forgetting there was a player in front of him?  I personally don’t think he knowingly did it with the intention of manipulating how the hand played out.  If you feel otherwise- then we just see things differently.

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10 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

Did you read or hear what Hellmuth did?

It's not like he accidentally put out a bet/call/fold.  It was a "verbal tirade".

I think we're all guilty of accidentally acting out of turn in regards to betting/calling/folding.  My response was related to verbal actions and talking.

If you look at the video link posted last night, he doesn't appear to acknowledge that the guy on the right is in the hand. Totally looking the other way at the all in guy.  Just Phil getting emotional.  In his rant, you can faintly hear something to the effect that this is the 15th time that guy has done that move.  

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1 minute ago, Getzlaf15 said:

If you look at the video link posted last night, he doesn't appear to acknowledge that the guy on the right is in the hand. Totally looking the other way at the all in guy.  Just Phil getting emotional.  In his rant, you can faintly hear something to the effect that this is the 15th time that guy has done that move.  

I agree with this. And he's a doosh for letting his emotions get the best of him....especially for a guy with as much experience playing as he does.

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Posted (edited)

8 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

If he brainfarted and forgot the guy ahead of him was in the hand or somehow brainfarted and thought the guy ahead of him had already mucked- he’s effectively guilty of playing out of line. The idea is that the verbal tirade gave away the fact that he was going to fold. He effectively acted out of order no matter how you want to spin it.

I assure you that virtually no poker player on the planet has imposed a $10k fine on themselves for doing so.  Do you really think his intention was to dictate the other players action in the hand or do you think he reacted not thinking/forgetting there was a player in front of him?  I personally don’t think he knowingly did it with the intention of manipulating how the hand played out.  If you feel otherwise- then we just see things differently.

I don't care what his intention is/was and I don't pretend to know.  That's irrelevant, imo.

He should learn to keep his cool and shut the F up.  Plain and simple.

Edited by eoMMan
Oh come on....
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2 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

I don't care what his intention is/was and I don't pretend to know.  That's irrelevant, imo.

He should learn to keep his cool and shut the F up.  Plain and simple.

I don’t think anybody is arguing with you about this. We all seem to be in agreement here.

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37 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

Except you are basing it on a what if. You made up a totally untrue scenario about this maybe being the only shot he has at millions. 

Hellmuth made a mistake, the dealer made a mistake. Hellmuth apologized and made it right. This happens all the time. It is a non issue. 

i'm not basing on a what if....or making up an untrue scenario....what Phil did contributed to him getting knocked out...his shot at winning millions in this tournament is over...thats not a what if or an untrue scenario...you can't go back and "make it right"...dude could die tomorrow

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12 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

i'm not basing on a what if....or making up an untrue scenario....what Phil did contributed to him getting knocked out...his shot at winning millions in this tournament is over...thats not a what if or an untrue scenario...you can't go back and "make it right"...dude could die tomorrow

Okay :rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, Getzlaf15 said:

Phil's actually really good at razz and mixed games.  His razz record lately is pretty sick.  

It's odd that the guy he played heads up against last night quit shoving all in and started playing Phil small ball with him. 

My first wsop cash was ten years ago in a horse.  Phil finished third in that.  I've never played with him. He's been at the next table several times. I would love to 3 bet him to death and get him to tilt.  

:pokey:

-QG

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