DJackson10
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We got Edwards from Wisconsin which was one of the other guys. Coney have some sort of Medical red flag?
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Deamon
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Nope none. People are shocked and praising the Raiders for picking him up as a udfa.
DJackson10
Footballguy
We did get Edwards out of the 2 in UDFA so at least we got one of them. Shocked neither one went in the draft
babydemon90
Footballguy
Really? Maybe the best LT with our current LT on his last legs, a RB which is a huge need, and a WR, which we are lacking quality youth at?
I like it. They are trying to look 2 years out at WR, which seems hit or miss - agree that they are basically looking for a Jeffrey replacement for 2 years down the line - WR's dont always contribute immediately. OL was a great pick - was pretty much a lock they were going OL or DL - they tried to trade up for a DL, Miami backed out, the best player they liked was OL. All good.
Everyone was saying we needed a RB. We got one right around where he was projected to go - maybe a little high? But not like he was out of nowhere. Huge need, so an intersection of need and value. I'm good with it. WR - I dunno, but they are so hit or miss anyway. It fits with his projection - he may or may not pan out, but it wasnt a reach, and it fits.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Shelton Gibson and Mack Hollins not panning out hurt.
Insein
Footballguy
Probably been said but they scouted Miles Sanders hard this past year. As a result, they got good reviews of a lot of other PSU players.
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The Noid
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My thoughts:
- If the guy you had as the best LT in the draft falls to within striking distance, you get him. The fact that their current LT is wrapping up his HOF career, makes it even more of a no-brainer. 10% of 4th rounders, and 5% of 6th rounders, wind up as "starters" in the NFL. That was an affordable cost. Now, you just have to see if your grading/evaluation turns out correct.
- I like BPA as an overall strategy and think that's what they followed for the JJAW pick. Long-term, he could be an Alshon replacement, and WRs sometimes take a year or two to breakthrough. Short term, I think he replaces DJax once they get into the red zone.
- I think they treat Sanders like Westbrook 2.0 as far as development. He's not going to be a starter/3-down back this season. 1-2 combo with Howard, get some 3rd down work, do some special teams/returning, etc.
- I think they have a long-term plan at Safety that involves using/converting Douglas, Mills or even Maddox there. The only thing they did to address it (publicly) was sign Sendejo who is an obvious cut if they don't see Ajayi or someone else sign that counts toward the comp picks, because right now he's cancelling one out.
- Now that RB has been addressed in a way that will satisfy fans, the LB thing is going to be even more focused on. But LBs, in the sense that most Buddy Ryan-era fans think of them, are going the way of the FB in the NFL. The league, and the positions evolve. TE's are no longer big, thick blockers that could plow down defenders for RBs and be a check-down safety valve for QBs. And LBs that patrol the middle of field like Seth Joyner are too one-dimensional and get easily exposed in today's pass-heavy, 11 personnel offenses. Playing 3 LBs/4 DBs in a 4-3 has already started to evolve into 2 LBs/5 DBs as slot WRs have gained prominence as a standard position and we're not too far from 1 LB/6DBs being a base defense (and that 1 LB has to be more of a safety hybrid that can cover and stop the run.)
Skeletore Eh
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i dont mind the dillard pick, but coupled with the tate, howard, and desean trades, i didnt like giving up two more picks in what is a very important draft for the team.
i dont like drafting an rb in the second round of a draft that is weak at rb and both strong and deep on the defensive side of the ball. i realize there is a need, but i would much rather have spent the 3-4 mill per year on tevin coleman or mark ingram and use that pick elsewhere. also if you are going to spend a 2nd on sanders i dont know why we traded for jordan howard.
projections and scouting reports on jjaw are uninspiring. sounds like he lacks upside and projects as a good but not great player
project defensive lineman
qb
to me it seemed like the sweet part of the draft was the beginning of the second round. i would have preferred to trade back in the first and then use some of that ammo to move up from one of our later seconds
overall i am disappointed with the draft. i was hoping to come out of this draft with a deep and talented haul that would yield multiple contributors but unfortunately i dont think that is the case. obviously i hope i am wrong
i dont like drafting an rb in the second round of a draft that is weak at rb and both strong and deep on the defensive side of the ball. i realize there is a need, but i would much rather have spent the 3-4 mill per year on tevin coleman or mark ingram and use that pick elsewhere. also if you are going to spend a 2nd on sanders i dont know why we traded for jordan howard.
projections and scouting reports on jjaw are uninspiring. sounds like he lacks upside and projects as a good but not great player
project defensive lineman
qb
to me it seemed like the sweet part of the draft was the beginning of the second round. i would have preferred to trade back in the first and then use some of that ammo to move up from one of our later seconds
overall i am disappointed with the draft. i was hoping to come out of this draft with a deep and talented haul that would yield multiple contributors but unfortunately i dont think that is the case. obviously i hope i am wrong
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
They have to get Seamolu off the field. I’d kick Peters to LG and start Dillard. Then let everyone else compete for RG until we see what’s up with Brooks.
need2know
Footballguy
we needed multiple rbs. i am not surprised they brought in 2. our rbs as a whole sucked badly last season
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Correct. After Howard and Sanders we have a bunch of 3rd-4th RB’s. Let them battle it out.
need2know
Footballguy
i agree. i would probably keep clement and somebody else. but imo all those guys are very cuttable. sproles, smallwood, etc
DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm ok getting a T not trading up for the guy who seems pretty weak with run blocking and wasn't even graded as one of the top 5 T until the combine. We also traded two picks this year. We just can't afford with Wentz extension trading as many picks IMHObabydemon90 said:
I got zero issue with the WR honestly I think he could end up being a really good pick.
The problem with RB for me is more so I don't rate Sanders who we got any higher then some of the guys who went later. None of them really are great at everything but might be very good at 1 or 2 things. Thought Pitt is getting a steal in Benny Snell. I would've liked to have used one of our 2nd rounders to move down in the in the 2nd or completely out and picked up a 3rd and another pick. I'd have zero problem taking Sanders if our depth at Safety and LB wasn't so thin. I just don't view as a necessary pick. I know you can't fill all your needs in the draft but we passed on IMHO a lot of good talent at both positions and yes I viewed Sanders as a mid 3rd rounder at best do to lack of receiving and ball security.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Possible but my theory has always been the locals and media tend to overrate many of the PSU talent here for obvious reasons. I know these guys are the professionals too. Like I said my other issues with this much PSU talent is my buddy who is a homer. This is the guy who wanted to do NFL FO stuff but was too lazy in college and never really pained out, does his own draft board and everything each year takes off from work etc. He thinks he knows the talent but really doesn't. I'll give him props that he knows some of the player names I've never heard of but other then that between the 2 of us I'm far and away the better talent evaluator. This guy is one of the people who laughed at me when I first saw Carson Wentz at NDST 2 yrs before the draft and I said this guy is going to be a top NFL pick and it should be the Eagles. Still early and Wentz needs to stay healthy but I've been right before. he's also one of the people who was big on RG3 over Luck and we all know how that turned out. He tends to fall in line with the media hype and Radio callers too so I got that to deal with too. I was reading the article last or 2 yrs ago in the athletic about the Eagles offense and Wentz being scouted by KC to run the offense Andy and Doug wanted and Doug took this to the Eagles. I knew the definitions and terminology of a lot of what was written in the article which was very detailed. If I gave this to my buddy he wouldn't understand it. I guess you could say he's decent with player names but I'm the one who's gonna evaluate the player in terms of Scheme and fits in the NFL. I remember the Wildcat and Read offenses saying well some of these elements might stick in the NFL but as base offenses these will fizzle out in no time.Insein said:
Look I'll always be a Tim Tebow fan but I always said after QB didn't work out he could've been a great hybrid H-Back/TE/FB combo for some team. His size and athleticism and determination I thought he could always be successful. I talked about this with the Colin Kapernick faithful when it came to why he wasn't signed. Kapernick just didn't have the size or sbody build plus he was a horrible team character in the locker room with a poor work ethic. No one is signing him where Tebow you have a guy who many love, great work ethic and has the build and athletic ability he could be successful in the NFL if he switched positions. Unfortunately if didn't work out for Tim in the NFL but it's not like Baseball hasn't either.
So for me I got a personal bias to a degree here to deal with on a somewhat daily bases.
JetMaxx
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Maggot Brain
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DJackson10
Footballguy
This was from Charlie Campbell at Walterfootball who do really good write ups. Ok maybe he was top 5 OT but until the Senior bowl was regarded as more of a 2nd day pick.
babydemon90
Footballguy
so - if one writer at one point early in the process thinks someone is a 2nd rounder, that should take him off teams 1st round boards?
DJackson10
Footballguy
That was the initial place I saw it. Saw a few other sites that said something similar wasn't till the combine/Senior bowl teams thought he could go in the 1st round. Again its not the position I'm not ok with. It's the fact we traded up to get it when there were other quality T still there as well. Also we can't be giving up picks like we have. We need our picks eventually.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Were the other T graded as high by the Eagles staff? Is a 4th rounder adequate value for settling on a lesser T if not? Trading a 3rd for Golden Tate for 1/2 a season is far worse imo then trading a 4th to get the top OT on your board.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Charlie Campbell?
Let me help you with something. Don’t base your draft evaluations on what a random “draft insider” shares on his public blog.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He's not the only one on the site and they are pretty good on having everything put together in terms of rankings not just from their site but NFL.com, ESPN and other sites they take them together.Charlie Campbell?
DJackson10
Footballguy
My issues with Sanders is more so fumbling, lack of receiving threat, and he accumulated most of his yards in 4 games. Given some of our needs and with other backs still available I thought it was a reachJuniorNB said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
I take some of these sites with a grain of salt. I don't get overhyped with some of these prospects and I think a lot of people overhype and overrate local talent (Especially the PSU and Notre Dame players over the yrs around here) but I'm surprised they'd take a back with protecting the football issues given Pederson has benched his backs for fumbling. I base my draft evaluation on a lot of things. Use some of the sites as foundation material. To me Miles Sanders didn't stand out any better then some of the backs drafted later on we could've had. Preferred to draft one of the safety with one of the 2s and traded the other one and moved down and picked up extra picks.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Considering your extensive connections I expect better than grains of salt when doubting Howie
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Can someone find a spider graph of LeSean McCoy and Miles Sanders?
Thats who Sanders reminds me of when I watch him and going off of memory I think they would have tested around the same.
I have zero issues with Sanders being picked. None. He seems to have everything you want in a 2019 NFL RB. Fumbling issues can be corrected. We have a potential 3 down RB who looks like he could be a nightmare in space.
Thats who Sanders reminds me of when I watch him and going off of memory I think they would have tested around the same.
I have zero issues with Sanders being picked. None. He seems to have everything you want in a 2019 NFL RB. Fumbling issues can be corrected. We have a potential 3 down RB who looks like he could be a nightmare in space.
jasvic
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
From what I'm hearing about Sanders is that he is similar to McCoy, but doesn't have the same shiftiness that made McCoy so good.
need2know
Footballguy
looking at those numbers tells me they are very similar. sanders is a little bigger and stronger. a little less agility.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And the list of backs not as agile as McCoy is a pretty damn long list.
Im excited to see the kid in our offense. It seems like a perfect fit.
need2know
Footballguy
Yup. Him and Howard are going to b dynamic. We can actually run the ball this year which will help everything. It was a huge weakness last year and they obviously thought the same
DJackson10
Footballguy
I haven't talked to my co workers son in a few weeks. Most of the coaching staff goes on Vacation until like the week or so before the draft so I haven't heard anything about the draft or how they plan on using the DBs. My guess is they are gonna try to convince us Maddox is a safety despite the fact it really should be Mills switching to his natural spot. I have very little faith in Sidney Jones making an impact do to him not be able to stay healthy and just how lost he looked when he was playing.
And you know me I've defended Howie on here for awhile however my gut is telling me I really wasn't a fan of this draft overall. I thought we missed on a few guys guys and reached for other needs (Like RB) with others on the board at other needs and being so deep draft wise at some of the positions. I would've been more comfortable not trading up for Dillard and letting the draft and board play out and trading down with one of the 2nds for more. I did hear Tyreek Hill situation made the Eagles move possible taking Jets pick Mecole Hardman as they were talking with the Jets I believe on a trade but after KC took Hardman before the Eagles 2nd pick the trade died down.
babydemon90
Footballguy
right, I mean regardless of testing, McCoy was exceptional in his heyday. Like top 3 RB in the NFL good. That's not gonna be Sanders, but he "should" be worlds better then Smallwood and Clement.Bigboy10182000 said:
JetMaxx
Footballguy
The Noid
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If anyone was looking to try and grab tickets at face value this year when single games go on sale to the public, that might no longer be possible.
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Sanders isn't going to and never will be Shady just because of some of the skillset Shady had you can't teach and are god given. Anyone who thinks Sanders believes he's the next Shady I don't think what god given talent McCoy has that you can't teach and just have.
DJackson10
Footballguy
So the avg fan probably can't afford to go to a game now I guess. I've been expecting this for Football for awhile now. Pretty soon with these newer stadiums in the next 20 yrs many ordinary fans won't be able to afford to attend a game and it'll be all CEO's and other big shots who can afford the tickets.
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