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7 hours ago, socrates said:

Larry Fitzgerald can't play forever, so there is an eventual path to more playing time.  In the meantime, Hopkins will continue to be heavily targeted, and Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk will each get their fair share of targets.  Without an injury to one of those guys 'ahead' of him, Isabella is unlikely to get enough turns in this offense to be more than a speculative flex at best.  Still, he is a dynasty hold if you have the roster space.  This offense is emerging as one of the most exciting in the league, and Isabella brings an electrifying element to the team.  He is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.  It is a tough situation for the young speedster.  He is in the right offense for success, but he is playing behind two future Hall-of-Famers in Fitz and Nuk, and an ascending talent in Kirk.  It will be tough to crack this starting lineup, but there may come a point when Coach Kingsbury can no longer keep Isabella on the bench.  When/if that happens, you will want Isabella on your dynasty squad.  In the interim, just keep watching his college tape to remind yourself how special Isabella can be in Arizona's version of the Air Raid Offense!


This seems wildly optimistic

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5 hours ago, socrates said:

Which part?

Basically the entire evaluation of what Isabella can bring on the field seems like wishful thinking with little evidence since he was drafted, right? 
 

“Isabella brings an electrifying element to the team.  He is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.”

“there may come a point when Coach Kingsbury can no longer keep Isabella on the bench”

I just haven’t seen any hint of this playing out in the NFL at all, it seems like total projection from his college days so far. 
 

Yes, he’s behind talented and/or established players and yes, it can take some time for young WRs to develop and break out onto the scene. But Isabella has barely flashed at all so far. He had one long TD and one other big play as a rookie, and that’s it. On 9 catches that might seem like a good rate of big plays, but teams don’t usually hide guys that they think can regularly make plays like that—they don’t design plays to get him the ball in space, don’t deploy packages meant to work him into the gameplan, they don’t use him in 4-wide situations which you’d think he’d feast off of under Kingsbury, at least not yet, and shouldn’t he be able to handle that as a 2nd-year player? 
 

It just seems to me like he’s been a supreme disappointment so far, but you talked about his talent and ability to effect an NFL offense in the most optimistic and inevitable of terms, as if the rookie draft where he was taken just happened and we haven’t seen him struggle for his entire career so far.

I think it’s good to have pet project guys like this who clearly have some potential and maybe more importantly, pedigree—John Ross is another one, who actually flashed way more in way less possible games due to injury. But it can’t be all rainbows and best case outcomes when talking about the player’s future, when so little has been showcased by the player—these NFL teams are invested in their young explosive players as well and have a vested interest in seeing that pedigree paid off, and yet here we are. That’s gotta be a red flag.

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2 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

“Isabella brings an electrifying element to the team.  He is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.”

“there may come a point when Coach Kingsbury can no longer keep Isabella on the bench”

I just haven’t seen any hint of this playing out in the NFL at all, it seems like total projection from his college days so far. 

He went for like an 85 score on one of his first and only NFL receptions last year.  

https://youtu.be/e-9ibIzNT1Y

There's your hint.  

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3 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Basically the entire evaluation of what Isabella can bring on the field seems like wishful thinking with little evidence since he was drafted, right? 
 

“Isabella brings an electrifying element to the team.  He is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.”

“there may come a point when Coach Kingsbury can no longer keep Isabella on the bench”

I just haven’t seen any hint of this playing out in the NFL at all, it seems like total projection from his college days so far. 
 

Yes, he’s behind talented and/or established players and yes, it can take some time for young WRs to develop and break out onto the scene. But Isabella has barely flashed at all so far. He had one long TD and one other big play as a rookie, and that’s it. On 9 catches that might seem like a good rate of big plays, but teams don’t usually hide guys that they think can regularly make plays like that—they don’t design plays to get him the ball in space, don’t deploy packages meant to work him into the gameplan, they don’t use him in 4-wide situations which you’d think he’d feast off of under Kingsbury, at least not yet, and shouldn’t he be able to handle that as a 2nd-year player? 
 

It just seems to me like he’s been a supreme disappointment so far, but you talked about his talent and ability to effect an NFL offense in the most optimistic and inevitable of terms, as if the rookie draft where he was taken just happened and we haven’t seen him struggle for his entire career so far.

I think it’s good to have pet project guys like this who clearly have some potential and maybe more importantly, pedigree—John Ross is another one, who actually flashed way more in way less possible games due to injury. But it can’t be all rainbows and best case outcomes when talking about the player’s future, when so little has been showcased by the player—these NFL teams are invested in their young explosive players as well and have a vested interest in seeing that pedigree paid off, and yet here we are. That’s gotta be a red flag.

He’s on the waiver wire in one of my dynasty leagues

 

eta I added him for an end of bench stash and dropped Humphries.

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14 minutes ago, cockroach said:

He went for like an 85 score on one of his first and only NFL receptions last year.  

https://youtu.be/e-9ibIzNT1Y

There's your hint.  

I acknowledged that, and then said a bunch of other stuff you didn’t address. Good highlight though.

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Andy Isabella caught 4-of-4 targets for 47 yards and a pair of touchdowns in the Cardinals' Week 3 loss to the Lions. 

It was a promising day for the second-year pro, though Pro Football Focus' initial charting still only shows 26 snaps. For his first score, Isabella beat Darryl Roberts in the end zone on a 13-yard corner route. For No. 2, a four-yarder, he slipped a tackle at the goal line. With Christian Kirk once again injured and Larry Fitzgerald disappearing into old age, the Cardinals need Isabella to emerge opposite DeAndre Hopkins. In theory, the sophomore is capable of doing damage at every level of the field. He is once again worth a flier as the Cardinals enter a ludicrously soft portion of their schedule.  

Sep 27, 2020, 8:09 PM ET

 

 

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Any chance this guy overtakes Kirk? 

Kirk seems to be just a run of the mill WR, while Isabella seems to have playmaking ability. Another week like this and he won’t be cheap

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18 hours ago, I-ROK said:

Any chance this guy overtakes Kirk? 

Kirk seems to be just a run of the mill WR, while Isabella seems to have playmaking ability. Another week like this and he won’t be cheap

At the beginning of the year I would have said - not a chance in heck. But he did look good yesterday, and Kirk has been very pedestrian so far this year. It's hard to say whether it's game script or not (would Kirk have also had those looks and opportunities if he was in there?). But it would appear that Andy is worth a flier at this point because you may end up with a part of a high-powered offense which is always a good thing.

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4 minutes ago, kutta said:

At the beginning of the year I would have said - not a chance in heck. But he did look good yesterday, and Kirk has been very pedestrian so far this year. It's hard to say whether it's game script or not (would Kirk have also had those looks and opportunities if he was in there?). But it would appear that Andy is worth a flier at this point because you may end up with a part of a high-powered offense which is always a good thing.

I read that Johnson actually took Kirk’s snaps, so Isabella had his own role, not Kirk’s. Interesting to say the least. I’m intrigued 

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And of course I dropped the guy in a ton of leagues where we only have 22 roster spots KNOWING he would likely break out at some point. :censored:

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20 PPR points yesterday on 4 targets and 40% of offensive snaps. Speed to burn adds a different element to this offense that Kirk (more quick than fast) and Hopkins/Fitz/Johnson don't offer. 

:ear to the ground - hand on the wire:

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Highlights from the last two weeks...

Isabella's big issue last season was a struggle to beat NFL press, a common theme for rookie WRs. This past week, he did it multiple times in game, including on both of his TDs. And when they allow him to free release in zone schemes, bad things happen... See the first link below with his 54 yd catch from week 2 as an example - a play that should've been a 77 yd TD had Murray not underthrown him. Pretty sure Murray threw it as far as he could, but Andy still had to slow down for it. 

https://arizonasports.com/story/2399869/cardinals-mindful-of-getting-looks-for-wrs-christian-kirk-andy-isabella/

https://arizonasports.com/story/2407900/andy-isabella-gets-his-opportunity-scores-2-tds-for-cardinals-vs-lions/

And here's another big play from yesterday, where Isabella and Murray seem to have their signals crossed at the top of the route - looks like Andy broke in and Kyler threw it deep. Somehow Andy was able to restart from the dig and made up the ground in time to make the catch anyway. He jumped to make the grab, but if he'd just kept running it looks like he would've had the chance to catch in stride for a 69 yd TD. Love this guy's start-stop athleticim.

https://youtu.be/9NhEl0YACmY?t=124

This offense is in need of an over the top threat like this guy IMO. Snaps have been in short supply for him so far. 17% wk 1, then 18% and finally 40% yesterday with Kirk out - numbingly, 4.6 40 Keesean Johnson got 71%, with Fitz and DHop both over 85%. Sooner or later, Kingsbury will figure this out. They are MUCH more dangerous with Isabella on the field. This feels an awful lot like the situation in Pittsburgh - where the higher impact WR is idling and biding his time for a true chance, but in the meantime keeps making big plays with the few looks he's getting.

Good news for Isabella and Mapletron: cream rises.

:popcorn:

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Watched this last game vs the Lions. Isabella is a strange case. In a game without Kirk he still only saw 40% of the snaps, being used much the same way as before, near exclusively in 4 ways: a) deep route - run straight, 2) block, 3) short route, 4) reverse. Kingsbury favored KeeSean Johnson to run intermediate routes in place of Kirk. I see this as a huge red flag.

Isabella has great acceleration, getting separation by stop/starting. This can work on short passes as shown by his TD in the 3rd quarter, but won't help him create separation down field. A receiver can't stop, instead needs to conserve his momentum while changing direction on intermediate routes. I haven't seen Isabella do this. I am thinking he's not very good at getting open beyond 5 yards which is why Kingsbury doesn't ask him to do it. I'm going to see if I can get my 2nd back for him.

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1 hour ago, cloppbeast said:

Watched this last game vs the Lions. Isabella is a strange case. In a game without Kirk he still only saw 40% of the snaps, being used much the same way as before, near exclusively in 4 ways: a) deep route - run straight, 2) block, 3) short route, 4) reverse. Kingsbury favored KeeSean Johnson to run intermediate routes in place of Kirk. I see this as a huge red flag.

Isabella has great acceleration, getting separation by stop/starting. This can work on short passes as shown by his TD in the 3rd quarter, but won't help him create separation down field. A receiver can't stop, instead needs to conserve his momentum while changing direction on intermediate routes. I haven't seen Isabella do this. I am thinking he's not very good at getting open beyond 5 yards which is why Kingsbury doesn't ask him to do it. I'm going to see if I can get my 2nd back for him.

I'm not sure how good he can catch either. He slightly bobbles a lot of his opportunities. Including his two tds Sunday.

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6 minutes ago, Mark Football said:

I'm not sure how good he can catch either. He slightly bobbles a lot of his opportunities. Including his two tds Sunday.

False

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56 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

False

True. On both tds he had to make a slight adjustment with his hands to secure it.  I've got a keen eye for these things so don't feel bad if you can't see it. He did make a clean catch with his hands on the 26 yarder though. That was encouraging!

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Hopkins injury could keep him out. And is Kirk still out?

Isabella could be last man standing.

And he's sitting on the wire.

All kinds of late options emerging: Isabella, MVS, Ward, Cobb.

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1 hour ago, kyoun1e said:

Hopkins injury could keep him out. And is Kirk still out?

Isabella could be last man standing.

And he's sitting on the wire.

All kinds of late options emerging: Isabella, MVS, Ward, Cobb.

Yikes. Hopkins AND Kirk are both GTDs.

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Cardinals WR Andy Isabella ran 18 pass routes in Week 4 against the Panthers. 

It was the fewest pass routes among the four wideouts in the team's regular rotation. Christian Kirk, returning from injury, ran 32 routes, finishing with 19 yards and a touchdown against Carolina. Isabella posted two grabs for three yards. Head coach Kliff Kingsbury continues to ignore the pleas of fantasy football Twitter as Isabella remains a little-used option in the Arizona passing game. How rude. Meanwhile, Larry Fitzgerald, who has 88 yards on 236 offensive snaps this season, ran 14 more routes than Isabella in Week 4. 

RELATED: 

Larry Fitzgerald

, Christian Kirk

Oct 5, 2020, 11:20 AM ET

 

 

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