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Maybe, maybe not. This is not a shot directed at you (or anybody else posting about Hunt's upcoming suspension), but the truth is we just don't know. The NFL absolutely makes up their "protect the shield" rules as they go along...which means any predictions on the suspension length and timeline are just guesses.
Can you unpack this one? The video didn't convince you of what? That he shouldn't be suspended? That he should have never been picked up? Curious what you're seeing/thinking here.
As a 100% non-violent person, I expected to be disturbed to the extent I was after viewing Ray Rice's incident. What I saw was a lot of shoving and disagreeing. I DID find the final kick to be unnecessary. I know people are screaming "domestic violence" (which this wasn't) and want to condemn him to the "fullest extent of the law" or, in this case, to the fullest extent of NFL rules, but let's let the punishment fit the crime -- HIS crime. While I am usually on the other side of the fence regarding any & all violence, I am daring to go out on a limb here. The incident, in my eyes, involved young people, who think they're all adults but know little, being foolish. (Who remembers doing stupid #### in their early 20s?) So, even though I don't expect my Browns to garner much on-the-field benefit here due to contract length, I would prefer that the commish studies the video & makes a lenient decision.
Like many things in football, Wellington Mara set a standard to be followed and I think the Browns are doing just that https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/20502967
wow.
I had never expected, or even considered such (the signing). When I first saw the video, my reaction was this & I filed it away in my head. When people started speaking out about it, I had to go see if it was the same video I remembered. I suspect my comments would be the same no matter who signed him. When I said "going out on a limb" i meant that violence against women is a sacrosanct topic that is dangerous to address from the other side of the fence. It's much safer to condemn than to ask for specific facts on an individual basis. If this doesn't answer your question, I would be happy to clarify further.
your post struck me as a convoluted justification as to why your team signed a guy you know in your gut probably isn’t worth it. which i imagine many of us Browns fans are going through right now.
Thanks Joey. Yes, I want us to have topic specific threads. I dislike the giant old threads with outdated titles when people want to discuss a current topic. We'll definitely keep doing these topic specific threads like this.Glad we have a 2nd Kareem Hunt thread to break down the video.
@Joe Bryant it's your board so you can do as you please, but I don't see much value in starting topic-specific player threads when a player thread already exists. Now each of us who care about that player have to click on 2 separate threads to keep up with the latest info and there's duplication of info in each thread. Sorry, pet peeve
Don't you think the fact that this isn't the first, or the second, but the third incident involving this "young person" deciding that the best way to handle a situation is with violence should impact the commish's decision?
So, while you might want to pick nits and say that legally this isn't domestic/dating violence, (while I disagree with you), this isn't a legal situation, and what Hunt did, very clearly is a violation of the NFL's policy.
True, the more accurate statement would be "he's facing a minimum suspension of 6 games, and maybe more, or maybe less, if the NFL wants to make #### up as they go, which wouldn't be all that surprising."
I don't know the details of other incidents. If I had to guess, because they went unnoticed up to this point, I'd say they're probably less egregious and inconsequential. If they were bigger than the one we know about, I'm pretty sure the media would be all over them. The very little I've heard seems to point in that direction, but I have to admit that I'm guessing here.
This doesn't mean anything. There are countless "clear violations" of the policy in the NFL... You don't even have to look past Hunt's own teammates on the Chiefs for blatant hypocrisy around it.
This is the joke.
You seem to be basing these claims on the wording of a policy that has been a demonstrably worthless basis for any such claims.
Correct.. which is why it is so odd to see you (or anyone) making ANY claims about what should could or will happen around it.
Obviously there is a point, but that's not what I was getting at.
Being able to read doesn't make one an expert; the policy is readily available on line. Feel free to read it and create your own informed opinion.
We don't but the NFL has a MINIMUM BASELINE in place of six game suspension on recently updated policies from pressure over a recent video taped assault and this is the first test to see if they follow through.
You acknowledge that the policy itself is worthless and up to interpretation... then post with the specifics of the policy as your basis to argue from.
I'm not sure what you mean by "basing these claims." You quoted a post I made that was clearly (I thought) sarcastic about how the NFL ignores their own policy when it serves their best interest. I made no claims in that post.
I'm not arguing one thing or another about how the NFL WILL interpret the policy, or how they SHOULD interpret the policy, only what the policy says. My initial post today was in response to someone believing the commish should be lenient b/c what Hunt did wasn't actually domestic violence, and it wasn't that bad, and it was just a young person making a single mistake. I pointed out that the policy doesn't require an incident to be legally defined as "domestic violence," that it was bad, and that it wasn't just a young person making one mistake.
That had nothing to do with the NFL offices. He was cut by a franchise because he no longer fit into what they expected of a player (I realize the hypocrisy of that with Tyreek) but it appears Hunt lied to some degree about what happened in the video before the video became public. The Chiefs front office just didn't want to be associated any longer with Hunt.
He was cut and went unclaimed in late November. He was then put on an exempt list.
questions about whether the league is doing enough to hold players accountable for their behavior off the field
No.
I don't think that the Browns had any more information other than Dorsey's direct connection to him and being able to judge his level of risk VS. recidivism and I also bet he knew that Hunt was facing a minimum suspension of six + games.
For fantasy, he will be coming back late in the season with fresh legs right about fantasy playoff time.
Unless that is exactly what you were hoping for, it seems kind of stupid to bring it up.
That is what is weird about the suspensions. A 4 game suspension could easily end the career of an average player because a team won't want to have them inactive for 4 games.
