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Will Trump get reelected in 2020? (2019 version) (1 Viewer)

Will Trump get reelected

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 51.0%
  • No

    Votes: 73 49.0%

  • Total voters
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I’m not sure of the lies you are referring to but Trump is off the charts - it’s part of his strategy. It works for him but it’s different than Obama, or any politician really. Hopefully it’s unique to him and doesn’t become the norm.
Agree on this, Obama would deliver his lies in a smooth well delivered speech that most bought. Trump there no sugar coating and it’s immediately obvious. 

Sorry on the economy and Obama’s tenure it’s well documented it was as bad of a recovery out of recession as there’s been. No one, especially those running a business, buys the rose garden you are trying to sell. 

Enjoy the weekend General. 

 
Agree on this, Obama would deliver his lies in a smooth well delivered speech that most bought. Trump there no sugar coating and it’s immediately obvious. 

Sorry on the economy and Obama’s tenure it’s well documented it was as bad of a recovery out of recession as there’s been. No one, especially those running a business, buys the rose garden you are trying to sell. 

Enjoy the weekend General. 
You have a good weekend as well. 

It also can’t be argued that we were in world of hurt when Obama came in and he left it in better shape. 

Economy has continued to do well, improved even. This is definitely Trump’s (only) feather in his cap. 

But hard to compare what Trump came into vs O. 

 
Want to get into political promises that aren’t kept? I’ve got a novel from Obama I can bump for you.  :lmao:

It is cute though how you get angry when it’s not your side that does it. Go get em sparky!
But I thought everyone loved Trump because he actually keeps his promises?

Also, Obama isn't running again, so what he did is pretty irrelevant to the discussion of Trump being re-elected.

 
But I thought everyone loved Trump because he actually keeps his promises?

Also, Obama isn't running again, so what he did is pretty irrelevant to the discussion of Trump being re-elected.
Link to support your trolling? He’s delivered more than Obama but that’s a low bar  

Obama is very relevant as the predecessor. 

 
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Link to support your trolling? He’s delivered more than Obama but that’s a low bar  

Obama is very relevant as the predecessor. 
Enough with the bolded.  Disagreement is not trolling.

A link to support what?  You were just presented with things he promised and didn't deliver (the GDP, the deficit...and so on).  You then brought up Obama to try and defend.

How is it a credible defense of Trump not doing something...if the predecessor that those defending Trump bashed non-stop didn't follow through?

If I said for years how bad the Buffalo Bills have been...and then we start discussing another team and my defense is...well thats how the Bills did it...how does that make any sense?

How about try and talk about Trump by talking about what he has done...vs what you think Obama didn't.

 
Enough with the bolded.  Disagreement is not trolling.

A link to support what?  You were just presented with things he promised and didn't deliver (the GDP, the deficit...and so on).  You then brought up Obama to try and defend.

How is it a credible defense of Trump not doing something...if the predecessor that those defending Trump bashed non-stop didn't follow through?

If I said for years how bad the Buffalo Bills have been...and then we start discussing another team and my defense is...well thats how the Bills did it...how does that make any sense?

How about try and talk about Trump by talking about what he has done...vs what you think Obama didn't.
You were asked in another thread by staff to support your claims with links. If you can’t then I think you’ve trolled nuff and should move on from trolling me like I’ve asked numerous times. 

 
You were asked in another thread by staff to support your claims with links. If you can’t then I think you’ve trolled nuff and should move on from trolling me like I’ve asked numerous times. 
You were just told in the post you are responding to that it was an established part of the conversation.  

In this post you seemingly agree the promises of 4% GDP growth, elimination of the debt in 8 years, and eliminating the trade deficit were promises he made...because of your response.  I believe you agreed that he made those promises and has not lived up to them.

But if you need links to facts already established in a conversation...here you go.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/06/700650144/despite-trumps-promises-the-trade-deficit-is-only-getting-wider

Now...you were also asked to support your claims..it wasn't just me.  And I did then and I did now.  So, please discuss the topic rather than continuing to making these bogus claims about me.

 
You were just told in the post you are responding to that it was an established part of the conversation.  

In this post you seemingly agree the promises of 4% GDP growth, elimination of the debt in 8 years, and eliminating the trade deficit were promises he made...because of your response.  I believe you agreed that he made those promises and has not lived up to them.

But if you need links to facts already established in a conversation...here you go.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/06/700650144/despite-trumps-promises-the-trade-deficit-is-only-getting-wider

Now...you were also asked to support your claims..it wasn't just me.  And I did then and I did now.  So, please discuss the topic rather than continuing to making these bogus claims about me.
I’ve linked multiple times to all of Obama’s lies, dig it up if you need it or just google and tons come up. While Trump delivers more than O I’m not sure where anyone said he doesn’t lie and delivers all promises but please provide a relevant link if you are able. 

Dont you think you’ve trolled nuff at this point?

 
I’ve linked multiple times to all of Obama’s lies, dig it up if you need it or just google and tons come up. While Trump delivers more than O I’m not sure where anyone said he doesn’t lie and delivers all promises but please provide a relevant link if you are able. 

Dont you think you’ve trolled nuff at this point?
The point...again, was that people have said over and over again that Trump keeps his promises.  We have irrefutable proof that isn't true.

and you chimed in more about Obama.

That deserves a :lmao:

 
The point...again, was that people have said over and over again that Trump keeps his promises.  We have irrefutable proof that isn't true.

and you chimed in more about Obama.

That deserves a :lmao:
Man, you really need to move on. You continually post things as fact which aren’t true and you do it consistently. 

 
Man, you really need to move on. You continually post things as fact which aren’t true and you do it consistently. 
What did I post that wasn’t true?  Do people not claim Trump keeps his promises?

And a person who falsely claimed we had some agreement, and calls me disagreeing civilly with yiubtrilling, you have no room to state that anyone else claims things that aren’t true.

Now...I have established where Trump has been short in his major promises economically.  The debt and trade deficit have risen and gdp growth is below his claims.

add in his recent gaffes in healthcare and all he has left is his unpopular emergency declaration at the border.

 
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Thats really on his site?

Umm...if by funny, you mean completely childish and something that should be nowhere near a Presidential candidate, much less the incumbent's office merchandise?
Would seem like a slam dunk for a slander lawsuit, right?

Trump tweeted and now repeats the lie on a shirt he is selling from his campaign website :

"He spent two years knowingly and unlawfully lying and leaking. He should be forced to resign from Congress!"

The Republicans on his committee also used the word KNOWINGLY.  This puts the burden of proof on the people that made this claim. 

Schiff just needs to lawyer up and financially ruin all these people making these slanderous statements. 

 
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Tank is a strong word. Slow for sure, especially when markets start factoring in the payback on the moronic spending and expiring tax cuts. Corporations have already banked gains without distributing to capital assets. That and an already slowing global market is a harbinger of negative growth imo. 
And most respected economists.  The indicators are flashing here and there inconsistently at this point, but flashing nonetheless.  There's no question that consumer spending is slowing and there is no credible prediction that it will change direction anytime soon.  The disagreement is over how quick the slowdown will happen over time.

ETA:  Most economists (liberal and conservative alike) have said 2020 or 2021 will be official recession territory and bringing that up was met with mocking, yet here we are, on schedule.  Will be interesting to read all the "it was bound to happen at some point" stuff....that'll be the goto even though the outlook for recession in 2015-16 was the 2022-23 timeframe.

 
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Trump was elected to improve the economy.  Not only has he not done that, he's still operating his businesses, there's no cheap/good healthcare like he promised would be easy, no wall paid for by Mexico, no improvement in the trade deficit, and every time he opens his mouth or tweets the amount of pride many people feel being an American drops a bit.

He's a disaster of the highest order.  But by all means compare all that to "like your doctor keep your doctor" and "there are 57 states."  Those are the two gotos for Trump supporters.  
Such a laughably incorrect post.  Economy is why Trump will be elected.

 
Last quarter was lower mainly due to trade war and govt shutdown.  If there is a trade deal soon that will help GDP quite a bit.
The trade war he created and shutdown he was responsible for.  So you admitnthe lower gdp was because of Trump.

 
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Only if people ignore all actual facts about the economy and Trumps effect on it.
Liberals cannot win on the economy at this point, they should focus on healthcare as Tim has pointed out.  If you want to ignore unemployment levels,  GDP growth, and pro growth Republican policies you are ignoring facts not me.

 
The trade war he created and shutdown he was responsible for.  So you admitnthe lower gdp was because of Trump.
Would GDP have been higher in 2018 without the trade war?  Yes.  Trump is looking long term and once the deal is done America will be in much better shape.

 
Liberals cannot win on the economy at this point, they should focus on healthcare as Tim has pointed out.  If you want to ignore unemployment levels,  GDP growth, and pro growth Republican policies you are ignoring facts not me.
I think they can discuss both.

If you want to ignore the trends on unemployment (and it appears Trump supporters and those talking about it really want to ignore that) and the market and pretty much every economic indicator that has been following a steady line since before Trump...then yeah.  It’s all “Republican” policies. 

I’ve  ignored no facts.

 
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Would GDP have been higher in 2018 without the trade war?  Yes.  Trump is looking long term and once the deal is done America will be in much better shape.
Once he gets a worse deal that we already had negotiated under Obama? That Trump pulled out of?  And has created many issues among manufacturers and farmers in the process and increased the national debt and trade deficit?

 
Last quarter was lower mainly due to trade war and govt shutdown.  If there is a trade deal soon that will help GDP quite a bit.
Maybe something happens this quarter, who kowns? It is what it is. He just matched socialist Obama's year if I read correctly. Not too impressed.

 
No, but I didn't expect W to get re-elected after lying to the country to get us into never-ending wars.  I also didn't expect us to elect a conman and wannabe mobster as POTUS either.

While I don't think he has a chance, the stupidity of this country never ceases to amaze me.
This. Please, we're tired of #winning. Get this disgrace out of there.

 
Maybe something happens this quarter, who kowns? It is what it is. He just matched socialist Obama's year if I read correctly. Not too impressed.
Obama set records as one of the worst presidents in our history as far as GDP.  If Trump fails to hit 3% GDP growth once in the next 6 years you may have an argument.  

 
Once he gets a worse deal that we already had negotiated under Obama? That Trump pulled out of?  And has created many issues among manufacturers and farmers in the process and increased the national debt and trade deficit?
More and more evident you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the economy.   Negotiated under Obama? That Trump pulled out of?  

 
Obama set records as one of the worst presidents in our history as far as GDP.  If Trump fails to hit 3% GDP growth once in the next 6 years you may have an argument.  
I thought this was the greatest economy in our history? The country's best year in his run was last year, is that right?

 
I thought this was the greatest economy in our history? The country's best year in his run was last year, is that right?
Link?  I never once said that.  Well yes, he has only been in 2 years.

You may be confusing unemployment numbers Trump has been touting for Hispanics and Blacks, those are the best in history.

 
Obama set records as one of the worst presidents in our history as far as GDP.  If Trump fails to hit 3% GDP growth once in the next 6 years you may have an argument.  
And anyone with a clue understand where the economy was when Obama took over and where it was when he left.

  Trying to compare the two from where they started is laughable.

 
TPP (pulling out has seen China take over in many of those areas...and reap the benefits).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38060980

and if you want to say I have no idea what I am talking about you should refute anything I have said.
The tariffs Trump implemented on primarily on China is what I am talking about.  These deals have been in place for many years and Obama had nothing to do with them.  I was against Trump putting on tariffs but if he can get a much better deal it could very well work.  We will see.

 
The tariffs Trump implemented on primarily on China is what I am talking about.  These deals have been in place for many years and Obama had nothing to do with them.  I was against Trump putting on tariffs but if he can get a much better deal it could very well work.  We will see.
And I’m talking about where China is today va where they would have been with TPP leaving them fewer options.

Thus far he has only hurt this country with his deals there.

 
Agree on this, Obama would deliver his lies in a smooth well delivered speech that most bought. Trump there no sugar coating and it’s immediately obvious. 

Sorry on the economy and Obama’s tenure it’s well documented it was as bad of a recovery out of recession as there’s been. No one, especially those running a business, buys the rose garden you are trying to sell. 

Enjoy the weekend General. 
It was a weak recovery, but it was also not your normal recession. We were on the brink of something pretty calamitous. Expecting a robust quick recovery was not realistic.

 
All this Obama/Trump impact on the economy debate is pure BS.

Bernanke, Paulson & Co. spurred the recovery beginning with TARP, then QE infinity. The Fed's been on a roll ever since.

The only impact the presidents have had is Obama/Democratic Congress keeping it going by burying the Simpson-Bowles Act...then Trump and the GOP with their tax cuts.

Whoever is sitting president when the national debt implodes the economy is going to take the blame, just like GW.

Until then, presidents will just keep riding the train until the music stops. We are addicted.

 
And anyone with a clue understand where the economy was when Obama took over and where it was when he left.

  Trying to compare the two from where they started is laughable.
8 years Obama was in office.  Not one year year with annual GDP growth above 3%.  A feat so bad it has never happened before.  Thank God Trump was elected as Hillary wanted to continue Obama's policies.

 
All this Obama/Trump impact on the economy debate is pure BS.

Bernanke, Paulson & Co. spurred the recovery beginning with TARP, then QE infinity. The Fed's been on a roll ever since.

The only impact the presidents have had is Obama/Democratic Congress keeping it going by burying the Simpson-Bowles Act...then Trump and the GOP with their tax cuts.

Whoever is sitting president when the national debt implodes the economy is going to take the blame, just like GW.

Until then, presidents will just keep riding the train until the music stops. We are addicted.
:goodposting:

 
Would GDP have been higher in 2018 without the trade war?  Yes.  Trump is looking long term and once the deal is done America will be in much better shape.
Pulling out of trade deals so other countries can take our place is not great for the future. Old school conservatives used to understand this. Now we have constituents like farmers who voted for Trump in 2016 who have been hit hard by this trade war nonsense. Let's see if they come out to support him again in 2020. I somehow doubt it.

 
All this Obama/Trump impact on the economy debate is pure BS.

Bernanke, Paulson & Co. spurred the recovery beginning with TARP, then QE infinity. The Fed's been on a roll ever since.

The only impact the presidents have had is Obama/Democratic Congress keeping it going by burying the Simpson-Bowles Act...then Trump and the GOP with their tax cuts.

Whoever is sitting president when the national debt implodes the economy is going to take the blame, just like GW.

Until then, presidents will just keep riding the train until the music stops. We are addicted.
There's a lot of truth here.

 
Pulling out of trade deals so other countries can take our place is not great for the future. Old school conservatives used to understand this. Now we have constituents like farmers who voted for Trump in 2016 who have been hit hard by this trade war nonsense. Let's see if they come out to support him again in 2020. I somehow doubt it.
Americans who care about the economy will vote for Trump.

 
8 years Obama was in office.  Not one year year with annual GDP growth above 3%.  A feat so bad it has never happened before.  Thank God Trump was elected as Hillary wanted to continue Obama's policies.
Obama’s policies that had us in the same trends we still see today?  Yeah again trying to compare where both started isnlaughable.  I can see links and facts have no effect on some who prefer to repeat right wing talking points. Enjoy your day.

 

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