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21 minutes ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

Biden was out on the streets yesterday talking and grieving with protestors in Delaware.

Trump was hiding in the basement of the White House tweeting like the coward and pathetic leader he is.

Secret Service moved him for protection.  I cannot believe the stuff that is being allowed on this forum.  

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Despite the current poll numbers, despite Trump’s failure to address the nation about the unrest, I think these protests and riots have put him in a real position to be re-elected, which I never would have believed only 48 hours ago. 

Basically Trump will adopt the Nixon strategy of running as the law and order candidate. This is a strength of his. He can avoid talking about the current economy, avoid talking about COVID, and simply promise to be tough. The broken glass, the looting, the graffiti about killing cops- these are all gifts to Trump. It might very well make him the favorite again. 

This simply isn't true.   Trump addressed the riots when he was in Florida.

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Secret Service moved him for protection.  I cannot believe the stuff that is being allowed on this forum.  

Also Biden being in the streets. :lmao: They pulled him out of the basement for a 2 min photo op with a couple people in a totally isolated area the day after. 

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4 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Secret Service moved him for protection.  I cannot believe the stuff that is being allowed on this forum.  

It’s unbelievable 

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35 minutes ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

Biden was out on the streets yesterday talking and grieving with protestors in Delaware.

Trump was hiding in the basement of the White House tweeting like the coward and pathetic leader he is.

We're asking people to be cool. If you want to discuss issues, please do that and be specific. If people want to use this forum to get their trolling slaps in, please do it somewhere else. 

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12 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Secret Service moved him for protection.  I cannot believe the stuff that is being allowed on this forum.  

I know.  Wilmington, DE does not equal Washington, DC in terms of riots and protests.  Plus, he's the President, the President's safety is of the utmost importance.    

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I haven't heard too much crying from the MSM about how protesters are spreading COVID

I guess that kind of coverage is left for those rioting at the beach.

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36 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Where did you want the President yesterday considering the chaos going on outside of the White House?

To be honest, I don’t really care where Trump is at. I’m fine with him staying in the White House, but I want to see leadership, not him tweeting comments that are doing nothing productive.
 

Of course Trump alone can’t fix the riots and looting but he’s offered the public nothing in terms of calming people down. I would also like to see him talk about police brutality and lay out some of the steps we can take to revamp the police force so we can finally make some positive change against police brutality and discrimination.

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In response to questions about what he was doing to address the tumult: "I'm going to win the election easily. The economy is going to start to get good then great, better than ever before. I'm getting more judges appointed by the week, including two Supreme Court justices, and I'll have close to 300 judges by the end of the year."

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4 minutes ago, Opie said:

I haven't heard too much crying from the MSM about how protesters are spreading COVID

I guess that kind of coverage is left for those rioting at the beach.

My fellow North Carolinians are giving Gov. Cooper an earful today. He supports assembling of mass crowds for protests and fails to protect businesses from looting. Covid concerns are out the window now. Yet this same guy thinks it's too dangerous for the RNC to congregate and bring money to his state. 

There is no logic to this. 

 

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1 minute ago, Trey said:

In response to questions about what he was doing to address the tumult: "I'm going to win the election easily. The economy is going to start to get good then great, better than ever before. I'm getting more judges appointed by the week, including two Supreme Court justices, and I'll have close to 300 judges by the end of the year."

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Trump said that?

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Just now, Max Power said:

So no. 

The election was clearly on the president’s mind on Sunday. In response to questions about what he was doing to address the tumult, Mr. Trump forwarded a reply through an aide that focused on the upcoming campaign.

“I’m going to win the election easily,” the president said. “The economy is going to start to get good and then great, better than ever before. I’m getting more judges appointed by the week, including two Supreme Court justices, and I’ll have close to 300 judges by the end of the year.” 

 

So yes.

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2 minutes ago, Trey said:

The election was clearly on the president’s mind on Sunday. In response to questions about what he was doing to address the tumult, Mr. Trump forwarded a reply through an aide that focused on the upcoming campaign.

“I’m going to win the election easily,” the president said. “The economy is going to start to get good and then great, better than ever before. I’m getting more judges appointed by the week, including two Supreme Court justices, and I’ll have close to 300 judges by the end of the year.” 

 

So yes.

So no

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As listed in Wikipedia....

Significant Civil unrest while President Obama was in office (1st Term)

2009 – Akron riots, March 14, 2009, 7 arrested; and July 2009, unknown number arrested, Akron, Ohio

2009 – 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24–25, 193 arrested

2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8,000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia.

2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California.

2010 – Oakland protest riot, November 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California

2011 Madison Occupation. Protesters storm and occupy the Wisconsin state capitol building for 18 days.

2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. New York, New York

2011 – Occupy Oakland Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.

2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police and protesters. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.

2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested.

Civil unrest BECAUSE President Trump won the 2016 election.

2016 – Anti-Trump protests, November 9–27. As a result of Donald Trump elected as 45th President of the U.S., thousands protested across twenty-five American cities, and unrest broke out in downtown Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. In Oakland, over 40 fires started and police officers were injured.

Significant Civil unrest while President Trump in in office (1st Term)

2017 – Berkeley, California, February 1, civil unrest ensued at UC Berkeley as Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to speak on the campus.[5][6]

2017 – 2017 Anaheim, California protests, February 21, protesters demonstrate after police officer grabs boy and fires his gun. Protesters damage property and throw bottles and rocks at police.

2017 – May Day, violence breaks out at May Day protests in Olympia, and Portland, as masked anarchists damage property and clash with police.

2017 – 2017 Unite the Right rally, Charlottesville, Virginia, August 11–12. At a Unite the Right rally of white nationalists and white supremacists opposing the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, rally attendees and counter-protesters clashed, sometimes violently. A woman, Heather Heyer, was killed and 19 other injured when a rally attendee drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters. Two law enforcement officers also died in a helicopter crash while monitoring the event.

2017 – 2017 St. Louis protests, beginning September 15, large protests erupted when police officer Jason Stockley was found not guilty of murder in the shooting death of Anthony Lamar Smith on December 20, 2011. Some of the protests turned destructive and the police became violent. Windows were broken at Mayor Lyda Krewson's house and in the Central West End business district on the first night, many windows were broken in the Delmar Loop on Sept 16, a few were broken downtown on Sept 17 after police drove swiftly through a crowd following a peaceful march. Police conducted a kettling mass arrest operation of nonviolent protesters and bystanders, beating and pepper spraying many, including journalists, documentary filmmakers, and an undercover officer. Protests and sporadic unrest continued daily for weeks.

NOTHING DURING 2018....1st time since 2008.

2019 – Memphis riot, June 13, following the fatal shooting of Brandon Webber by U.S. Marshals, Memphis, TN. (the only one in 2019)

2020 – New York City FTP protests, Jan 31, Anti-Transit Police and MTA protest resulting in hundreds of arrests over the three separate days of demonstration. Vandalism and violence on train stations was reported.

2020 - George Floyd protests, started on May 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota after the killing of George Floyd. He was allegedly killed in Minneapolis by a police officer. The officer was fired four days later and is facing murder charges. The riots nevertheless spread to many cities across the nation. Thus far, thousands have been arrested and many injured. Hundreds of millions of dollars of property have been destroyed or looted. The National Guard has been called out to some cities, as many police stations have been abandoned and burned by the rioters. Currently, riots are still occurring in places. The killing of George Floyd has garnered international condemnation.

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I appears that civil unrest doesn't care which party hold the office of POTUS.
So, why are they blamed for them?

....and don't talk about, "How they were handled"....BOTH Obama and Trump have been criticized about their handling of civil uprising during their time in office.

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1 hour ago, Don't Noonan said:
3 hours ago, timschochet said:

Despite the current poll numbers, despite Trump’s failure to address the nation about the unrest, I think these protests and riots have put him in a real position to be re-elected, which I never would have believed only 48 hours ago. 

Basically Trump will adopt the Nixon strategy of running as the law and order candidate. This is a strength of his. He can avoid talking about the current economy, avoid talking about COVID, and simply promise to be tough. The broken glass, the looting, the graffiti about killing cops- these are all gifts to Trump. It might very well make him the favorite again. 

This simply isn't true.   Trump addressed the riots when he was in Florida.

If anyone is interested, here were Trump's comments at NASA.

Before going further on this exciting day for all America in space, I want to say a few words about the situation in Minnesota. The death of George Floyd on the streets of Minneapolis was a grave tragedy. It should never have happened. It has filled Americans all over the country with horror, anger and grief. Yesterday, I spoke to George’s family and expressed the sorrow of our entire nation for their loss. I stand before you as a friend and ally to every American seeking justice and peace and I stand before you in firm opposition to anyone exploiting this tragedy to loot, rob, attack and menace. Healing, not hatred, justice, not chaos, are the mission at hand.


The police officers involved in this incident have been fired from their jobs. One officer has already been arrested and charged with murder. State and federal authorities are carrying out an investigation to see what further charges may be warranted, including against sadly, the other three. In addition, my administration has opened a civil rights investigation and I have asked the Attorney General and the Justice Department to expedite it. I understand the pain that people are feeling. We support the right of peaceful protestors and we hear their pleas, but what we are now seeing on the streets of our cities has nothing to do with justice or with peace. The memory of George Floyd is being dishonored by rioters, looters and anarchists. The violence and vandalism is being led by Antifa and other radical left wing groups who are terrorizing the innocent, destroying jobs, hurting businesses and burning down buildings.


The main victims of this horrible, horrible situations are the citizens who live in these once lovely communities. The mobs are devastating the life’s work of good people and destroying their dream. Right now, America needs creation, not destruction, cooperation, not contempt, security, not anarchy and there will be no anarchy. Civilization must be cherished, defended, and protected. The voices of law abiding citizens must be heard and heard very loudly. We cannot and must not allow a small group of criminals and vandals to wreck our cities and lay waste to our communities. We must defend the rights of every citizen to live without violence, prejudice, or fear. We support the overwhelming majority of police officers who are incredible in every way and devoted public servants. They keep our city safe, protect our communities from gangs and drugs and risk their own lives for us every day.


No one is more upset than fellow law enforcement offices by this small handful who failed to abide by their oath to serve and protect. My administration will stop mob violence and we’ll stop it cold. It does not serve the interest of justice or any citizen of any race, color, or creed for the government to give into anarchy, abandoned police precincts, or allow communities to be burned to the ground, won’t happen. Those making excuses or justifications for violence are not helping the downtrodden, but delivering new anguish and new pain. From day one of my administration, we’ve made it a top priority to build up distressed communities and revitalize our crumbling inner cities. We fought hard with Senator Tim Scott ___ and many others to create opportunity zones, helping to draw a surge of new investment to the places in our country that need it most.


We must all work together as a society to expand opportunity and to create a future of greater dignity and promise for all of our people. We must forge a partnership with community leaders, local law enforcement and the faith community to restore hope. Radical left criminals, thugs, and others all throughout our country and throughout the world, will not be allowed to set communities ablaze. We won’t let it happen. It harms those who have the least, and we will be protecting those who have the least. The leadership of the National Guard and the Department of Justice are now in close communication with state and city officials in Minnesota and we’re coordinating our efforts with local law enforcement all across our nation. In America, justice is never achieved at the hands of an angry mob. I will not allow angry mobs to dominate, won’t happen. It is essential that we protect the crown jewel of American democracy, the rule of law and our independent system of justice.


Every citizen in every community has the right to be safe in their workplace, safe in their homes and safe in our city streets. This is the sacred right of all Americans that I am totally determined to defend and will defend. My administration will always stand against violence, mayhem and disorder. We will stand with the family of George Floyd, with the peaceful protestors and with every law abiding citizen who wants decency, civility, safety, and security. We are working toward a more just society, but that means building up, not tearing down.


But that means building up, not tearing down, joining hands, not hurling fists, standing in solidarity, not surrendering to hostility.

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1 hour ago, Don't Noonan said:

This simply isn't true.   Trump addressed the riots when he was in Florida.

I don’t think you’re disagreeing with me. 

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8 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I don’t think you’re disagreeing with me. 

To be fair, I stopped reading when you said Trump hasn't addressed the riots yet.

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1 hour ago, Opie said:

I haven't heard too much crying from the MSM about how protesters are spreading COVID

I guess that kind of coverage is left for those rioting at the beach.

The MSM is always going to focus on the tragedy happening right now, as opposed to the one that will happen in 2 weeks.

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

My fellow North Carolinians are giving Gov. Cooper an earful today. He supports assembling of mass crowds for protests and fails to protect businesses from looting. Covid concerns are out the window now. Yet this same guy thinks it's too dangerous for the RNC to congregate and bring money to his state. 

There is no logic to this. 

 

That is not true:

Joe Bruno

@JoeBrunoWSOC9 Governor Cooper says he wants protesters to wear a mask and social distance

ETA: He also activated the National Guard to stop any looting. Your post is a bit misleading.

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3 hours ago, timschochet said:

The broken glass, the looting, the graffiti about killing cops- these are all gifts to Trump. It might very well make him the favorite again. 

.....and Tim is absolutely, 100% correct in his assertion...

...covered, beginning at 4:38 - 6:14

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Just for the record it’s not an assertion from me, just a thought. And one that I very much hope I’m wrong about. 

Sorry....I define an "assertion" is a statement of a fact or belief.

....and you're not wrong about it.

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54 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

That is not true:

Joe Bruno

@JoeBrunoWSOC9 Governor Cooper says he wants protesters to wear a mask and social distance

ETA: He also activated the National Guard to stop any looting. Your post is a bit misleading.

Well, those looters are sure wearing masks....

....maybe not for reasons of COVID....but they are wearing masks.....and carrying 70" TVs.

The difference between "protesters" and "looters" are night and day....literally.

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1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

no its not...….he is clueless...…#bunkerboy....cadet bone spurs is a prime snowflake

 

Take the whining elsewhere. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

no its not...….he is clueless...…#bunkerboy....cadet bone spurs is a prime snowflake

 

Now....you want to see leaders in action!!

Today....a week into all this crap, ....Gov. Cuomo will talk to Mayor DeBlasio about maybe, thinking about implanting a curfew in NYC!

I, for one, am in awe of the steps that the Democrat leaders of these cities have done to curb the violence and bring peace to their communities.

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3 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

yeah…...the draft dodger sitting in his bunker sucking his thumb sure is showing us how its done

 

Please...by all means....other than nationalizing a state's national guard and declaring martial law....list his options.

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3 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

yeah…...the draft dodger sitting in his bunker sucking his thumb sure is showing us how its done

 

People like you deserve him.

So this behavior and snowflake insults are allowed now, can someone update me?

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3 minutes ago, Opie said:

Please...by all means....other than nationalizing a state's national guard and declaring martial law....list his options.

Libs want a press conference with power points like Cuomo.

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6 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

yeah…...the draft dodger sitting in his bunker sucking his thumb sure is showing us how its done

 

This the Biden thread now?

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6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is a speech by Bobby Kennedy after Martin King died.

- He wasn't president, but I think this sort of speech would go a long way. I hope someone delivers something like this soon.

Only half of the country would even listen.....and he'd be ridiculed by the MSM no matter what he said.

He's (and everyone else) has already said what happened to George Floyd was wrong.
He's already called for swift justice for the ex-officer.
He's already called for peace.

Who listened and who keeps stoking the flames?

What...another denouncing of the killer?
..another call for peace?

All he has left is martial law....and if he does that....the Left will  implode!

It is up to the leadership of each city and state to do it....for now.

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1 minute ago, Max Power said:

This the Biden thread now?

Ha Ha.  Yeah Biden got draft deferments and then couldn't serve due to asthma.  Probably not the hill, Democrats want to try and climb.

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1 minute ago, dutch said:

Personalized crayon drawings by trump might work just as well

Well...you have to make sure Democrats can follow along.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

Only half of the country would even listen.....and he'd be ridiculed by the MSM no matter what he said. He's (and everyone else) has already said what happened to George Floyd was wrong. He's already called for swift justice for the ex-officer. He's already called for peace. Who listened and who keeps stoking the flames?

He spoke before a presser on the Nasa launch. I posted the comments further up. I don't think a mid-day statement slipped into another event - and one with very mixed, muddled messages - will do it. It will, as Bobby Kennedy stated, take a great effort and it will take consistent, persistent, lasting and clear leadership.

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5 minutes ago, Snotbubbles said:

Libs want a press conference with power points like Cuomo.

Give Cuomo another couple weeks to realize what's going on and I'm sure he'll have something to smoothly deliver in his speech. Rumor is he's starting to think about a curfew, that would be super......a week ago. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

He spoke before a presser on the Nasa launch. I posted the comments further up. I don't think a mid-day statement slipped into another event - and one with very mixed, muddled messages - will do it. It will, as Bobby Kennedy stated, take a great effort and it will take consistent, persistent, lasting and clear leadership.

You actually believe that President Trump, speaking from the Oval Office, will change the mind of ANYONE who is involved in this?

Man...you do live in a bubble.

Like I said, it is up to the leadership of these cities and states to handle this without blaming President Trump for the actions of the looters.

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2 minutes ago, Opie said:

Only half of the country would even listen.....and he'd be ridiculed by the MSM no matter what he said.

He's (and everyone else) has already said what happened to George Floyd was wrong.
He's already called for swift justice for the ex-officer.
He's already called for peace.

Who listened and who keeps stoking the flames?

When Ferguson was blowing up (last few days makes Ferguson look tame) he blamed poor leadership in Washington.

He hasn't said nearly enough but honestly he may not be capable of rising up to the moment. I can't imagine what a speech like this would sound like from him. 

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3 minutes ago, Opie said:

You actually believe that President Trump, speaking from the Oval Office, will change the mind of ANYONE who is involved in this? Man...you do live in a bubble. Like I said, it is up to the leadership of these cities and states to handle this without blaming President Trump for the actions of the looters.

What you're saying here is excusing Trump from leading, is that fair? It wouldn't matter, so do not even try?

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1 minute ago, The General said:

When Ferguson was blowing up (last few days makes Ferguson look tame) he blamed poor leadership in Washington.

He hasn't said nearly enough but honestly he may not be capable of rising up to the moment. I can't imagine what a speech like this would sound like from him. 

Would it sound something like..."If I had a son, he would have looked like Treyvon"?

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

What you're saying here is excusing Trump from leading, is that fair? It wouldn't matter, so do not even try?

Oh...he can lead...but the Left won't like what he does....whatever he does.

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Just now, Opie said:

Would it sound something like..."If I had a son, he would have looked like Treyvon"?

I wouldn’t think so.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

What you're saying here is excusing Trump from leading, is that fair? It wouldn't matter, so do not even try?

You keep laying this on the President.

Why can't the governors and mayors take care of their own cities and the voters who put them into office?

Why have they all been so inept?

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

You keep laying this on the President.

Why can't the governors and mayors take care of their own cities and the voters who put them into office?

Why have they all been so inept?

 

This is such a weird hill to die on. 

Whenever there is a national crisis in the United States, the President always goes on TV to try to calm the nation. That's part of his job because he's the one person who represents everyone. Or, at least, is supposed to.

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1 minute ago, whoknew said:

 

This is such a weird hill to die on. 

Whenever there is a national crisis in the United States, the President always goes on TV to try to calm the nation. That's part of his job because he's the one person who represents everyone. Or, at least, is supposed to.

even before that local leadership had done absolutely NOTHING to stop it themselves.

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5 minutes ago, Opie said:

You keep laying this on the President. Why can't the governors and mayors take care of their own cities and the voters who put them into office? Why have they all been so inept?

Eh, it's not all on the President. I think mayors and governors (and sheriffs) deserve huge credit and blame for what is going on, good and bad. But we have a flexible federal system for a reason, we are the United States of America, and when the federal government can help coordinate between the states and unify policy for them and with them well that is one of our great strengths as a nation. Having an absentee president on policy and who is casting about conspiracy theories and intensifying rhetoric can also have the opposite effect.

Opie, I think what I said was really pretty mild. I was just suggesting that the President prepare a great speech to unify the nation, I proposed very little from him. He could do more but I think it would help.

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