The journey of a mile starts with one step.I think it's some better.
Enough that we can keep it going for now. And that's a good thing.
Understood. If in doubt about posting, definitely don't post.However, the rules for suspension are still very vague and not consistent.
"When in doubt, shut yo' mouth" - Koya's grammah*Understood. If in doubt about posting, definitely don't post.
Yep - it's definitely improved.It's definitely improved. I know that I am actively trying to be less snarky (which is tough), and there seems to be fewer instances of people obvoiusly trying to rile others up (aka trolling). I think it's an improvement.
That would seem to imply that the minority side had a higher percentage of trouble makers or at least folks that couldn't follow the new rules.More echo now than ever, if that's what they were going for.
Definitely not what we're looking for.More echo now than ever, if that's what they were going for.
More echo now than ever, if that's what they were going for.
Please report what you see. That kind of stuff is absolutely not what we want.
Just strolled through the “Trump years” thread and had to fully restrain myself from saying anything that might get me a timeout. Apparently Presidential health issues and rumors are hilarious.
That's totally out of bounds - honestly I read through and many who oppose him were wishing him well and saying they hope he's ok. I didn't see any posts laughing about it - there was one post that shouldn't have been posted taking a shot.
Just strolled through the “Trump years” thread and had to fully restrain myself from saying anything that might get me a timeout. Apparently Presidential health issues and rumors are hilarious.
Yeah...I made a post with two quotes from twitter. Both were mocking the phase one thing...which I think is fair. Though, one was more about his size and after Koya's post and some reflection, I edited it out of my post. Prior to the new direction, I wouldn't have likely done that.That's totally out of bounds - honestly I read through and many who oppose him were wishing him well and saying they hope he's ok. I didn't see any posts laughing about it - there was one post that shouldn't have been posted taking a shot.
Do you have @jamny on ignore?tonydead said:More echo now than ever, if that's what they were going for.
I know it sounds far-fetched and likely I am mistaken, but sometimes it almost seems that some posters come in here looking for ways/things to offend themselves so they can continue to whine their way toward martyrdom.AAABatteries said:That's totally out of bounds - honestly I read through and many who oppose him were wishing him well and saying they hope he's ok. I didn't see any posts laughing about it - there was one post that shouldn't have been posted taking a shot.
About the same here.The Z Machine said:It's definitely improved. I know that I am actively trying to be less snarky (which is tough), and there seems to be fewer instances of people obvoiusly trying to rile others up (aka trolling). I think it's an improvement.
jamny has been showing forum MVP potential.Do you have @jamny on ignore?
He’d have to change that avatar first - I’ve had nightmares about that a few times since he changed to it.jamny has been showing forum MVP potential.
He’s been a refreshing voice of skepticism. Everyone should take note for other topics tooDo you have @jamny on ignore?
ummmmm.......I know it sounds far-fetched and likely I am mistaken, but sometimes it almost seems that some posters come in here looking for ways/things to offend themselves so they can continue to whine their way toward martyrdom.
Thanks but I would imagine that to most diehard Trump supporters, I'm part of the echo chamber, worse than a liberal in some ways, at best, a poser at worst, a traitor. I only became a Trump supporter on election day. I was a Rubio supporter and voted for Ted freakin' Cruz in the primary. I applauded Cruz when he refused to endorse Trump at the convention. I still support Romney and anyone else that is willing to stand up to Trump when necessary. But I'll still support him as much as I can while he is still in office.Do you have @jamny on ignore?
That's clearly not what they were going for. I'm sure you see me as part of a "lib echo chamber" even though I'm a non-liberal independent and yet JB was noticeably irritated with me in a recent exchange in the impeachment result thread. It seemed to be the result of a misinterpretation at first, but I sensed the irritation remained even after a couple clarifications. I could be wrong, but I think it is because I'm not masking my contempt well enough, and that was the crux of his stickied note: they don't want any discernible contempt in here. You guys think your man is being unfairly persecuted and people like me are frustrated about his party and supporters turning a blind eye to his lies and corruption. The ingredients for contempt are plentiful, but even if it is justified they don't want it boiling over into conversations in here.tonydead said:More echo now than ever, if that's what they were going for.
fatguy might disagree with the bolded. And from an anecdotal standpoint, my second board, which is even more stringently moderated than this one, is even less attractive to conservative posters. Maybe for the same reason.That's clearly not what they were going for. I'm sure you see me as part of a "lib echo chamber" even though I'm a non-liberal independent and yet JB was noticeably irritated with me in a recent exchange in the impeachment result thread. It seemed to be the result of a misinterpretation at first, but I sensed the irritation remained even after a couple clarifications. I could be wrong, but I think it is because I'm not masking my contempt well enough, and that was the crux of his stickied note: they don't want any discernible contempt in here. You guys think your man is being unfairly persecuted and people like me are frustrated about his party and supporters turning a blind eye to his lies and corruption. The ingredients for contempt are plentiful, but even if it is justified they don't want it boiling over into conversations in here.
Additionally, you gotta stop with the echo chamber stuff. 30% more people disapprove than approve*, so you should expect more people to be voicing disapproval on a public message board. And given the demographics that voted for him, I wouldn't expect as many supporters to show up online, but that's just my own personal expectation. You can interpret those demographics how you wish. Either way, I don't think the smaller number of trump supporters is due to FBG moderation.
*53.9% disapprove, 41.3% approve... (53.9-41.3)/41.3=31%
In my experience at Reddit, where moderation is minimal, there are very few conservative posters in /r/politics, as they all flock to /r/conservative and the now quarantined /r/the_donald because it seems they are the ones that actually seek an echo chamber. I've heard it's basically a guaranteed lifetime ban to enter into either one of those and voice even a mild disagreement with any of their sentiments.fatguy might disagree with the bolded. And from an anecdotal standpoint, my second board, which is even more stringently moderated than this one, is even less attractive to conservative posters. Maybe for the same reason.
Is that board full of real socialists or just liberals who want an expanded social net (what the Repubs call socialism)?In my experience at Reddit, where moderation is minimal, there are very few conservative posters in /r/politics, as they all flock to /r/conservative and the now quarantined /r/the_donald because it seems they are the ones that actually seek an echo chamber. I've heard it's basically a guaranteed lifetime ban to enter into either one of those and voice even a mild disagreement with any of their sentiments.
To be fair, I got a lifetime ban within 5 minutes of entering /r/socialism. Someone had linked it from /r/politics and I was just curious what they were talking about in there so I was perusing, as an ADD person is wont to do, and someone had made a clever little joke at the expense of socialism and was getting downvoted to hell. My one and only post in /r/socialism was something along the lines of "ignore the downvotes, that was funny" and BAM, minutes later I've been banned for life. I honestly think independents are the only people that should be allowed to call anyone snowflakes at this point.
Trump's approval rating here is routinely half or less than half of what it is among the national polls when asked exactly the same way.Additionally, you gotta stop with the echo chamber stuff.
No, I'm merely saying he should expect to be in the minority. I think the demographics of trump voters should further decrease expectation of accurate online representation, although I tried to make it clear that this is just my perception of how I'd expect those demographics to impact online presence.Trump's approval rating here is routinely half or less than half of what it is among the national polls when asked exactly the same way.
Are you saying the Trump vs Anti Trump split in the political forum is close to the way it splits for the nation as a whole?
The "bolded" here is "Either way, I don't think the smaller number of trump supporters is due to FBG moderation. "fatguy might disagree with the bolded. And from an anecdotal standpoint, my second board, which is even more stringently moderated than this one, is even less attractive to conservative posters. Maybe for the same reason.
I don't think it was "gamed" as much as it's just the reality of the board demographics coupled with the human nature aspect that people are going to report something they see as offensive to "their side" coupled with the fact the vast majority of the moderation is done by reports.The interesting thing is that FBG's as a whole is a pretty even representation of conservative and/or Republicans vs. liberals and/or Democrats. If any group is over represented it is probably libertarians/independents. It is really only the political forum where the imbalance is pretty extreme. There are a combination of factors which lead to it, but one major factor was the reporting feature was gamed by the leftist here very effectively. A lot of baiting and reporting done by the majority.
This dog piling chases away more than just the Pro Trump posters.With that said, I don't know it's the primary reason we have so few Trump supporters. I've said for years, I think the reason we have so few is the board as a whole is not welcome to it. We do an ok job of trying to ask people to be cool. But the over riding sentiment is this is an anti Trump forum. If you know me you know I've voted for the Democratic candidate in every presidential election back to Bill Clinton. But I personally don't think such an anti Trump makeup is healthy for good discussion. I think it absolutely becomes a "pile on" type thing.
Understood. Piling on will drive folks away for sure. Not sure how to handle it other than just asking people to be cool.This dog piling chases away more than just the Pro Trump posters.
Anything not echoing perfectly gets the full treatment.
Sure...be tasteful and civil. Often times its seen as piling on because multiple people reply quickly to something posted. I don't think its posters trying to pile on...often reading things in a threaded form, you reply before reading all of the posts in a topic and don't see that others have replied something similar. Often I do see others replied and I go back and hide my reply that was similar.Understood. Piling on will drive folks away for sure. Not sure how to handle it other than just asking people to be cool.
It was more than just the board demographics though. I recall you could easily pull up the people who had the most 'likes' for the given day. It was quite common that the top 5 or 6 were always liberal/anti-Trump posters on the PSF and by a large margin. They were very attuned to using the like button much more than any other group and by logic probably the report button. And this was while there were still a decent number of non-anti-Trumpers still posting. Maybe 'gaming' is not the best word, but it is what popped into my head. The demographics in the PSF is very unique to the other forums on FBGs.I don't think it was "gamed" as much as it's just the reality of the board demographics coupled with the human nature aspect that people are going to report something they see as offensive to "their side" coupled with the fact the vast majority of the moderation is done by reports.
When you stop threatening to slap other posters, I'll stop reporting it.The interesting thing is that FBG's as a whole is a pretty even representation of conservative and/or Republicans vs. liberals and/or Democrats. If any group is over represented it is probably libertarians/independents. It is really only the political forum where the imbalance is pretty extreme. There are a combination of factors which lead to it, but one major factor was the reporting feature was gamed by the leftist here very effectively. A lot of baiting and reporting done by the majority.
You are on record as being ok with snark and don’t have an issue with it. Now you claim piling on doesn’t happen. Joe is correct about the snark and condescending comments.Sure...be tasteful and civil. Often times its seen as piling on because multiple people reply quickly to something posted. I don't think its posters trying to pile on...often reading things in a threaded form, you reply before reading all of the posts in a topic and don't see that others have replied something similar. Often I do see others replied and I go back and hide my reply that was similar.
As an example...today a post was made quoting a Trump Tweet. Trump quoted FoxNews claiming Pelosi said something. Multiple people replied stating that Pelosi never said what was claimed. Some likely replying as the others are posting their replies. is that piling on?
This is what is called the bating part.When you stop threatening to slap other posters, I'll stop reporting it.