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I think the 49'ers have found their RB and Coleman isn't it.
I think the 49'ers have found their RB and Coleman isn't it.
And KC hasn't played this team yet either. btw, the 2 playoff teams KC beat won a total of 4 less games this year than the 2 teams SF beat.I felt the same way at first. The 49ers are a complete team with a good defense. They particularly shine on 3rd down. And their version of the cover 3 is the type of defense you would design to stop Mahomes on paper. But the Chiefs have the best QB/WR/TE combo in the league to counter with over routes even if 49ers morph into a cover 4 after the snap. If they rush extra guys, Mahomes will pick the zone apart. So they need to get pressure rushing 4 or less and they have the best 4 man rush in the NFL. But that's factoring in all the below average teams they played this season. They didn't play this team yet.
How many times have we heard this going into the SB, only to come away and realize "oh yea... defense STILL wins championships"? How many all time great offenses need to lay a dud in the SB before we finally stop saying "this time it's different/this cat's a different beast"? How many MVP QBs need to lose SBs before we realize "oh wait it's been 20 years since an MVP won the SB"? How many times do ppl need to compliment the patriots for having "a complete team", before they realize that's the key to building sustained success?The 49ers played a tougher schedule but somehow Patrick Mahomes is going to Jordan his way to the win.
Yeah well, Lamar Jackson is the MVP not Mahomes. And the Chiefs have a lot more than just him.How many times have we heard this going into the SB, only to come away and realize "oh yea... defense STILL wins championships"? How many all time great offenses need to lay a dud in the SB before we finally stop saying "this time it's different/this cat's a different beast"? How many MVP QBs need to lose SBs before we realize "oh wait it's been 20 years since an MVP won the SB"? How many times do ppl need to compliment the patriots for having "a complete team", before they realize that's the key to building sustained success?
MVP QBs are always the public's choice for a reason. They're more often than not, losers.
My point was that the popular notion that the star QB on the "unstoppable" offense will overcome all in the SB is a fairy tale that's told every year yet statistics don't support this argument at all:Yeah well, Lamar Jackson is the MVP not Mahomes. And the Chiefs have a lot more than just him.
Yes sometimes it works out that way. I remember watching live while Peyton Manning got owned by the Seattle D in Super Bowl XLVIII. This 49ers team runs pretty much the same defense. They have Richard Sherman too, although a 6 years older version.How many times have we heard this going into the SB, only to come away and realize "oh yea... defense STILL wins championships"? How many all time great offenses need to lay a dud in the SB before we finally stop saying "this time it's different/this cat's a different beast"? How many MVP QBs need to lose SBs before we realize "oh wait it's been 20 years since an MVP won the SB"? How many times do ppl need to compliment the patriots for having "a complete team", before they realize that's the key to building sustained success?
MVP QBs are always the public's choice for a reason. They're more often than not, losers.
Well it's a no brainer then.May be all moot anyway... if we're talking strictly from a pts scored/allowed perspective. SF actually has the BETTER offense and WORSE defense.
Respect you as a poster, but have to disagree with you on this one, shady.shadyridr said:I've been thinking about this game A LOT and I firmly believe the team that scores the most points will win.
Somehow I think you both could be right.Respect you as a poster, but have to disagree with you on this one, shady.
It’ll be the team that gives up the fewest points that wins this one.
What has happened in past SB means absolutely nothingchinawildman said:My point was that the popular notion that the star QB on the "unstoppable" offense will overcome all in the SB is a fairy tale that's told every year yet statistics don't support this argument at all:
1) The top-ranked defense has REACHED the Super Bowl 11 times and is 8-3 in the Super Bowl. The top-ranked offense has REACHED the Super Bowl 14 times and is 8-6 in the Super Bowl.
2) The team allowing the fewest points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 18 times and is 13-5 in the Super Bowl. The team scoring the most points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 21 times and is 10-11 in the Super Bowl.
May be all moot anyway... if we're talking strictly from a pts scored/allowed perspective. SF actually has the BETTER offense and WORSE defense.
Finally, someone with real stats checks in.Y'all are overthinking this too much:
in 13 of last 15 SB matchups, the team wearing road colors has won the game.
SF is wearing their road white unis with gold pants.
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Gotta love that uni combination. Never did like the Chiefs unis.Y'all are overthinking this too much:
in 13 of last 15 SB matchups, the team wearing road colors has won the game.
SF is wearing their road white unis with gold pants.
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shadyridr said:I've been thinking about this game A LOT and I firmly believe the team that scores the most points will win.
Ya'll may be on to something hereRespect you as a poster, but have to disagree with you on this one, shady.
It’ll be the team that gives up the fewest points that wins this one.
Welcome to being a Chiefs fan.I have been following football since 1989 and that year, the Chiefs went 8-7-1 behind the incredible running of Christian Okoye, the Nigerian nightmare, and new head coach Marty Schottenheimer. They very narrowly failed to make the playoffs and I think would have been a handful for any team in the post-season had they got in.
Since then, they have been a sentimental favorite team for me and I have watched time after time the horrors of their regular playoff exits.
A few come to mind (and thanks to Pro Football Reference for jogging my mind - these are only the most egregious horrors, although there are plenty of others):
1990: KC at last makes the playoffs. Driving against Dan Marino's Fins down in Miami and needing only a FG to win it, a crucial penalty pushes them out of FG range and they lose.
1993: KC makes the Championship Game with Montana after a Cinderella run but collapses against Buffalo
1995: KC somehow finishes 13-3 with Steve Bono but still manages to lose to the 9-7 Colts
1997: Gannon and Grbac lead the Chiefs to another 13-3 record but they lose to the eventual SB champ Broncos as they err in starting Grbac
2003: KC again finishes 13-3 at the height of the Trent Green/Priest Holmes/Tony Gonzalez era and is SB favorite but manages to lose again to the Colts
2013: KC manages to lost 45-44 to the Colts, again, in an epic collapse to Andrew Luck
2017: KC takes a big early lead against the Titans and then falls to Mariota's comeback
By my calculation, the Chiefs were 5-18 in the playoffs since winning the Super Bowl 50 years ago prior to this season, which must be among the worst all-time playoff records.
What is shocking, even after all this time, is how often they followed up a superb regular season with a dismal playoff loss.
All of which sets the stage, I fear, for another gut-wrenching stomach punch of a collapse.
I'm thinking maybe Mahomes throws an INT as the Chiefs drive for the winning TD, or perhaps Kelce or Hill fumble it. Maybe Mathieu drops what would have been the game-winning INT, or maybe a penalty on Suggs negates his game-winning strip sack.
But you get the picture. I fear this one is written in the stars.
meh....Chiefs basically flew under the radar cause everybody was up on Jackson's and the Ravens nuts all year.....Chiefs weren't even supposed to be here, remember....All of which sets the stage, I fear, for another gut-wrenching stomach punch of a collapse.
This Chiefs team hasn't really been that dominant though. Before coming back to win both of their playoff games they didn't have many quality wins during the second half of the season. They beat the shell of the New England Patriots by a TD and the Vikings by a FG and then a lot of lesser teams. Losing to the Packers and Titans during that stretch.meh....Chiefs basically flew under the radar cause everybody was up on Jackson's and the Ravens nuts all year.....Chiefs weren't even supposed to be here, remember....
True, the Ravens had that dominant stretch where they looked unstoppable, while the Chiefs, picked by many before the season to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, didn’t look quite as dominant offensively as they did the prior year, but their defense quietly got better as the season progressed and they came into the playoffs as a sleeping giant of sorts.farfromforgotten said:This Chiefs team hasn't really been that dominant though. Before coming back to win both of their playoff games they didn't have many quality wins during the second half of the season. They beat the shell of the New England Patriots by a TD and the Vikings by a FG and then a lot of lesser teams. Losing to the Packers and Titans during that stretch.
Not that it means much in this Super Bowl matchup, just there was good reason for everyone being on Jackson's and the Ravens "nuts".
True. It’s not going to matter though. KC will dominate after halftime.This 49er defense is gonna be the best defense Mahomes has faced in his career. Just sayin.
I think a lot of that had to do w/ mainly playing bad divisional opponents in the 2nd half of the season. Raiders, broncos, chargers are ranked 24th, 28th, and 21st on offense, respectively. In fact the majority of their schedule has been against teams in the bottom 3rd of the NFL on offense.True, the Ravens had that dominant stretch where they looked unstoppable, while the Chiefs, picked by many before the season to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, didn’t look quite as dominant offensively as they did the prior year, but their defense quietly got better as the season progressed and they came into the playoffs as a sleeping giant of sorts.
We'll see.True. It’s not going to matter though. KC will dominate after halftime.
I like the 49ers, but I too would like to see Andy win a ring as a HC. I hope it is a good game more than anything.I'd like to see Andy Reid win a superbowl. I think this may be the one, although the 49ers running game and pass rush beg to differ.
Quite literally untrue. Of the 18 games they've played this season, 13 have come against teams ranked 16th or better on offense. 6 games have come against teams ranked in the top 10 on offense.I felt the same way at first. The 49ers are a complete team with a good defense. They particularly shine on 3rd down. And their version of the cover 3 is the type of defense you would design to stop Mahomes on paper. But the Chiefs have the best QB/WR/TE combo in the league to counter with over routes even if 49ers morph into a cover 4 after the snap. If they rush extra guys, Mahomes will pick the zone apart. So they need to get pressure rushing 4 or less and they have the best 4 man rush in the NFL. But that's factoring in all the below average teams they played this season. They didn't play this team yet.
I think for the 49ers to win, they will need to run much more man-to-man instead of cover 3. And I don't see those matchups working in their favor.
Feels like people are hyping this niner d way too much as of late. Their dline is formidable but beyond that I see a lot of opps for kc. I assume Reid will have an answer for the rush with quick passes, etc.This 49er defense is gonna be the best defense Mahomes has faced in his career. Just sayin.
We'll see.Feels like people are hyping this niner d way too much as of late. Their dline is formidable but beyond that I see a lot of opps for kc. I assume Reid will have an answer for the rush with quick passes, etc.
Yep. Im pulling for the niners, but Reid's record off a bye and mahomes being the best player in the nfl lead me to believe that kc's o will be more than ready for that defense.We'll see.
It's worth noting that mobile QBs can somewhat flip the script on defense dominanting big ganes. You refer to the 2013 Sehawks. Colin Kaepernick gave that 2013 D a lot more problems in the NFC championship gane than Manning did in the SB. It'll be interesting to see if Mahomes can neutralize that pass rush a bit. I think something like 1 to 2 sacks vs 4 or 5 can make a huge difference in this game. Guys like Mahomes can still get chunk plays off of QB pressures.Yes sometimes it works out that way. I remember watching live while Peyton Manning got owned by the Seattle D in Super Bowl XLVIII. This 49ers team runs pretty much the same defense. They have Richard Sherman too, although a 6 years older version.
I still think Mahomes is going to Jordan them. They aren't the '85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. They aren't even the 2013 Seahawks.
I don’t think they’re getting enough hype. As good as they were all year, they’re better now. they’ve been a MASH unit. The last game was the first they had their whole compliment of starters on the field.Feels like people are hyping this niner d way too much as of late. Their dline is formidable but beyond that I see a lot of opps for kc. I assume Reid will have an answer for the rush with quick passes, etc.