BassNBrew
Footballguy
We should have realize we were up the creek when people in small subsets of also every group had it; 3 NBA players, 1 NFL coach, 1 USHoR, etc.The horse was out of the barn before we even knew it was among us.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (23 Viewers)
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I'm pretty tired of this sentiment. There are tons of elderly people acting like much bigger idiots. But the media isn't out there filming granny at the craft store or getting her cake flour.
Group of elderly people in my area were out playing pickleball. Somebody called the police on them. Now if this was a group of kids skateboarding the public would have been outraged. But nope. These are old people out there exercising. That's healthy. Shame on anybody getting upset about that!
rockaction
Footballguy
My mother is good friends with someone whose daughter teaches in Westport. People were going to parent/teacher conferences after finding out that the elderly guest of honor at the party had the virus.
Not exercising good judgment.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Well, that is what bugs me. I was icon level prepping for this back in January. Wife and I have been so careful (especially with me being a type 1 diabetic). I chose to leave the house two days ago with her and get a car side Walmart pickup (I have been in this house over ten days), but we stopped by a liquor store that I knew no one would be there that early. The owner is a germ freak and has his whole cashier area encased in plastic like a box. I grab 3 cases of beer and then not one, but two stockers come walking by me. I didn't have a mask, but had gloves. My wife (who doesn't drink) is making me feel uneasy because I was exposed in there with two people. I loaded the beer in our trunk, took my gloves off and threw them away, sanitized my hands and arms and when we got home immediately took my clothes off in the garage and showered, Overkill? Maybe? As a high-risk person, I worry about any chance of getting this especially with the CDC moving the goalposts.
edit---yeah, I should just stop being an alcoholic and solve this--but we had planned this to last me 30 days.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Per the article it was indeed that. My bad. I didn't read closely enough. I heard this secondhand and the way it was relayed to me, the party was in honor of some foreign dignitaries. Perhaps the article references a party like the blurb below...italics mine. Sorry to have added to any confusion. The general point was, this woman had come into direct contact with COVID-19, had processed that the elderly gentleman who passed had had it, she had hugged him, and she was still going to p/t conferences.
'But the Westport soirée “may be an example of the kind of thing we call a super-spreading event,” said William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard, especially since some of the partygoers later attended large social events in the New York metropolitan area.'
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
How were you able to determine this timeline? How are you defining low risk?dickey moe said:
I realize individualism is prized in America, but this isn’t the time to place one’s own financial well-being over the health of the community.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Went searching for the tool box brand shop towel and seemed sold out most places. Found some here and order 2 6 packs.
https://www.farmandhomesupply.com/sellars-toolbox-blue-shop-towels-6-pack-664be4ba350e06bc63c093b8a1332cd5.html
Kind of pricey shipping but figured I'd procure some and see if it will work with some home made masks my wife just got material from Joann's to make. If not, can always use some rags.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Why in the hell does the American public need to be told wearing a covering over your nose and mouth is a good idea right now? And more important, what took them so long to suggest it? Is there anyone who thinks wearing a mask is bad? Sure, some moron will surely wear a plastic bag and suffocate, but they probably were gonna make the Darwin Awards eventually.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
There are basically four papers looking at hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19, and the results are mixed. The biggest was 62 patients, non-peer reviewed with flawed methodology. Many more studies are being conducted, but thus far it’s looking like the enthusiasm was premature.gianmarco said:
TheMagus
Footballguy
I know of a couple in Manhattan that both have it and they've only left their apartment twice since March 2 to go to the grocery store. They did everything they were supposed to: keep social distance, don't touch face, use hand sanitizer, wash hands thoroughly when you get home. But they now have it.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Back in the days we were focusing on China there was a story about it jumping floors in an apartment building due to shared ventilation.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Good post. The knowledge base is constantly evolving, and the available data must be interpreted with caution.
AFIK, we don't even know the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2. Even finding complete viruses in the environment doesn't mean they are readily transmissible from surfaces in sufficient quantities to cause infection. Moreover, the idea that it can be spread by things like speaking and breathing is speculative at best.
To use everyone's favorite comparison, influenza is predominantly droplet spread. This means larger droplets which travel shorter distances (~6 feet or less) cause most infections. Hence, droplet isolation with surgical masks is recommended. But there is evidence that flu, like SARS-C0V-2, can be spread in aerosols in some situations. And the original SARS appears to have some aerosol spread, though run-of-the-mill coronaviruses are thought to be droplet.
A combination of epidemiological, environmental and experimental (usually animal) data facilitate understanding the likely mechanisms underlying infectious spread. ATM, we're still learning about this virus, so any dogmatic proclamation should be viewed with skepticism. Here is a nice review of some issues with determining aerosol spread.
IMO, things which favor some aerosol spread include: 1. similarity to SARS-CoV-1 2. the tendency to cause lower respiratory tract infection 3. higher Ro than seasonal flu - but there are many other potential reasons for this.
That being said, it certainly isn't as contagious as something like measles, the classic example of an airborne illness.
My gestalt is it's mostly droplet spread + some fomite, with a smattering of aerosol, fecal-oral and other mechanisms. For the average person with average exposure risk, social distancing + good cough and hand hygiene will probably be sufficient to limit spread. Regarding universal masks, it's hard to know if they help by limiting droplets/aerosols from infected individuals, decrease the size of innoculum for uninfected people who are exposed, and/or prevent people from touching their faces. It's probably some combination of all three.
JaxBill
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
My local grocery store was flush with hair ties.
Or maybe you could buy a yard of lycra from Joann and just cut into strips.
JaxBill
Footballguy
I don't understand the arbitary number of 2 miles. Large segments of America don't have the population density of big cities. I'm not just talking about rural America. it's half a mile to get out of my development. Closest grocery store is 2.6 miles away.
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Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Great point. I go on a bike ride each day of 5+ miles and have my phone with me.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Mayor Duggan of Detroit starting today has ordered police to fine people gathering in larger crowds $1000.00. Way too many people in Detroit not following social distancing. There have been huge gathering and parties with vids of people screaming "Eff Corona..we gonna party" Large groups still gathering and playing Basketball at parks. Mayor Duggan had all the rims taken off the city park BB courts as of yesterday. Detroit is a Corona hotspot and lost 20 people yesterday alone and people won`t listen.
Definitely going to be more of this unfortunately...
Man takes his own life after being unable to cope with coronavirus self-isolation.
Man takes his own life after being unable to cope with coronavirus self-isolation.
beer 30
Footballguy
I tried looking at the link but my pop up blocker pissed it off so I passed. This is the guy I've been pimping for a week when I first saw it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mai-UqdNRi8&t=24s
This is what I ordered off Amazon last week, probably be tougher to get now that it's getting traction from the national news.
Non-latex #33 Rubber Bands https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008X09YJ2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Shop towels https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TRQHXS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
My wife is making a ton of masks for family, friends and coworkers. She was finally able to find elastic on eBay. It’s supposed to be here on Wednesday. We’ll see.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Stupid, but relevent story:
My nonna used to pick food off our plates... Buy discounted/near rotting food... Threw NOTHING away...We (her kids and us grandkids) always used to bust her chops about it, because she was no longer war poor in italy.
And every single time she'd say "Pover' te" which means "poor you", and told us if the war/famine ever came again, we'd be the first to suffer and understand why she is the way she is.
Now, of course grocery shelves are half empty, but still plenty to go around... But I finally understand, without having to understand what she always meant by this.
This generation has has such a luxurious life that we are in no way mentally prepared for this. At all. I really dont know if we can make it out of this unscathed in a serious, serious way.
We're soft. stubborn. and have no understanding of real struggle (the masses, at least)
My nonna used to pick food off our plates... Buy discounted/near rotting food... Threw NOTHING away...We (her kids and us grandkids) always used to bust her chops about it, because she was no longer war poor in italy.
And every single time she'd say "Pover' te" which means "poor you", and told us if the war/famine ever came again, we'd be the first to suffer and understand why she is the way she is.
Now, of course grocery shelves are half empty, but still plenty to go around... But I finally understand, without having to understand what she always meant by this.
This generation has has such a luxurious life that we are in no way mentally prepared for this. At all. I really dont know if we can make it out of this unscathed in a serious, serious way.
We're soft. stubborn. and have no understanding of real struggle (the masses, at least)
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
pollardsvision
Footballguy
jwb
Footballguy
We will be scarred, that's for sure. How much, nobody knows.
Some industries will probably not recover or will be very different. How comfy will we feel packing a movie theater again? How about an airplane? A concert? The ball game? Forget the fire code for maximum occupancy in buildings - we'll probably come up with some safe social distancing code. Restaurants are going to have to space things out more. Say goodbye to the all-you-can-eat buffet (no big loss).
For our homes, will anyone ever run low on TP again? Or hand soap?
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JaxBill
Footballguy
My wife has decided that with the paucity of elastic, she is going more elaborate with parachute cord and cord locks. We can get those parts and have material. Not sure how this will turn out though.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
That’s a pretty good idea. Let me know how it turns out please. My wife has made a few that just tie on. She said some people prefer it since you can guarantee a snug fit with a tie on.
TheMagus
Footballguy
Friends and family I talk to in Manhattan are convinced the virus is airborne and this is exactly what is happening based on the circumstances of people contracting the disease. People who have been following all the "rules" are still getting it.
It seems like a total horror show there. We have older family friends who are extremely ill and are being told by medical and emergency services that if they can still talk they are not sick enough to be hospitalized.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Hoping the other outcome/reaction after all of this is a strong focus on healthcare...and inside of that a dedication to better mental health care in this country.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
SARS evidently spread through plumbing. https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-building-pipes.htmlFriends and family I talk to in Manhattan are convinced the virus is airborne and this is exactly what is happening based on the circumstances of people contracting the disease. People who have been following all the "rules" are still getting it.
It seems like a total horror show there. We have older family friends who are extremely ill and are being told by medical and emergency services that if they can still talk they are not sick enough to be hospitalized.
Here's a more detailed explaination https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/index.html
beer 30
Footballguy
These serve about the same purpose as a mask, figure there will be a run on them soon as people figure that out https://www.amazon.com/mens-outdoor-recreation-neck-gaiters/b?ie=UTF8&node=11443920011
sho nuff
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I went through tough times as a kid. Like really tough -- no heat and no hot water in multiple winters, no food, yard saled by the bank kind of stuff. I know how to endure.
I'm constantly having to remind myself that my family and the people around me did not go through anything like that. I'm glad for it, but watching them struggle with stupid stuff (i.e. anything other than we're healthy, we're safe under our own roof, we have food, we haven't lost our jobs) is hard for me. I feel incredibly lucky and fortunate right now.
I keep thinking about the phrase "Children of Summer" from GOT.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Heartbreaking. Those scenes at the end where they are handing out food and the people are packed together. India will get crushed.
Regarding the first part, I'm thankful I live in the US. I'll take some stray paddleboarders on the beach over authoritarian brutality any day.
the moops
Footballguy
If you have any bungee cords lying around cut them open. They are filled with elastic
Blick
Footballguy
Thank God I live in the US. We have our issues, but public beatings aren’t one of them.
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Insoxicated
So a week ago in an effort to get folks here to take it seriously with relatable numbers I posted on FB that in the next week we would lose twice as many people as died in the 9/11 attacks.
As with everything having to do with this pandemic I got huge pushback and doubt.
If 600 people pass today we will cross that mark :(
Now for the really ####ty numbers:
Next week.. we will have four 9/11's
The following week: a 9/11 Roughly every 6 hours.
This of course assumes the model holds true and our distancing efforts have been followed enough to avoid this... it also assumes no major medical breakthroughs.
The next two weeks are ABSOLUTELY critical. Please stay the #### at home.
As with everything having to do with this pandemic I got huge pushback and doubt.
If 600 people pass today we will cross that mark :(
Now for the really ####ty numbers:
Next week.. we will have four 9/11's
The following week: a 9/11 Roughly every 6 hours.
This of course assumes the model holds true and our distancing efforts have been followed enough to avoid this... it also assumes no major medical breakthroughs.
The next two weeks are ABSOLUTELY critical. Please stay the #### at home.
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
That one guy
Footballguy
Sorry if addressed somewhere within this beast of a thread, but what is both the definition of and reporting method for “recovered”?
Jagov
Footballguy
Matters seems to be trending more positive here in The Netherlands. Growth factor of new cases at or around 1 for the past week. Number of people that needed to be admitted to the hospital is down again. Only 336 today, of which 36 needed to go to the ICU. The distance policies appear to be working. Having said that, the daily death rate continues to hover around 150.
beer 30
Footballguy
This right here...'murica
I think the crew in here now are thoroughly convinced, still way too many people out and about not taking this seriously that need to hear this from the top down. Not sure why we keep talking about states not enacting lock downs. The governor of GA ordered a shelter in place today but left the public beaches wide open
jamny
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
These things really need to come from the state itself, or even better, diorectly from the president. Here in Minnesota, we have one county that has shut down all their playgrounds. Yet, that is only the county run playgrounds that span several cities/towns. So you have some playgrounds closed, yet others are still chugging along.
Too many tiers of control. It is confusing as #### to have the city say one thing, county another, and governor yet another.
Too many tiers of control. It is confusing as #### to have the city say one thing, county another, and governor yet another.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
This might be the simplest (while surprisingly stylish) mask yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-Kmeb_16o
Even someone like me who is all thumbs can put this together in under a minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-Kmeb_16o
Even someone like me who is all thumbs can put this together in under a minute.
rick6668
Footballguy
Ordered a few of these. A little pricey, but arrive Wednesday.
https://www.amazon.com/Unisex-Polar-Reversible-Anira-Purple/dp/B07BJFSGG1/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=buff&qid=1586014843&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-2&th=1&psc=1
