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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)
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beer 30
Footballguy
Interesting analogy
I agree though, I think everyone keeps hearing peak this and peak that thinking once we get there, we're all good. Peak, in association with this means more like 100,000 at, day after peak only 97,000, day two after peak 94,000 and so on. There's got to be a good way to visually represent that so folks at all levels will be able to understand it.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I agree schools are safer than grocery stores.... but we can't function without grocery stores.
As for schools being safer than restaurants, I completely disagree. Unless the take out customers are doing things they shouldn't be doing for take out.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
And it is the same stuff you would make at home. They are taking 91% iospropyl alcohol and mixing with aloe vera and adding a scent.
They actually even say that right on the site.
I gotta tip my hat to Costco. They seem to be doing a great job through all of this. When I've gone (I think twice in the past month), they were sanitizing every cart and limiting the customers entering the store. They also made it clear on what was sold out by posting it outside and announcing it as it happened.
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Footballguy
"What We Need To Understand About Asymptomatic Carriers If We're Going To Beat Coronavirus"
WHO doctor: "Most of the people who were thought to be asymptomatic aren’t truly asymptomatic. When we went back and interviewed them, most of them said, 'Actually I didn’t feel well but I didn’t think it was an important thing to mention. I had a low-grade temperature, or aches, but I didn’t think that counted'."
WHO doctor: "Most of the people who were thought to be asymptomatic aren’t truly asymptomatic. When we went back and interviewed them, most of them said, 'Actually I didn’t feel well but I didn’t think it was an important thing to mention. I had a low-grade temperature, or aches, but I didn’t think that counted'."
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Well, we did have a good way with the whole "flatten the curve". Anyone with any common sense can see that the flattened curve has a much longer time frame to reach the end. But those opposed to these efforts turned "flatten the curve" into something that can only be discussed in that other form that we do not speak of here. Hence, now we have words like "peaked", which makes them feel better because we seem close to peaking.
the moops
Footballguy
It doesn't need to be teacher to teacher though. For it very well could be teacher to student to teacher. Or student to teacher to student to teacher
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Maybe so, but the bottom line is saying we should reopen the schools (which was the pretense of the original thread) just because kids aren't as likely to get the disease is just flat out wrong. Kids make up a large portion of the school--yes, but administrators, counselors. teachers, lunch people, bus drivers and custodians make up the rest and they would be the ones that would be getting this and further spreading it.
NotSmart
Footballguy
I dearly hope so.
But the rhetoric we're hearing from our national leadership doesn't make one hopeful.
joffer
Footballguy
i've felt a little shortness of breath for a while but nothing else. i assumed it's psychological.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I thought they posted a modest update last night. My recollection was that the first update yesterday was~7500 cases and ~500 deaths...they ended the day with ~8900 cases and ~600 deaths. Anyway, just my memory so quite possible I am incorrect.
JaxBill
Footballguy
i think they took their formula and tweaked it based on data they have seen. But it does not appear they updated the actual data. So they started with an inaccurate number from 4/6 and went from there.
For example the total deaths in Florida yesterday according to the model was 313 with a very wide range of 252 to 415.
Actual number reported by the State of Florida was a total of 254. Not only is it off, but it is extremely close to being out of their range.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ok that’s interesting. As I’ve mentioned here once or twice, we are pretty sure my friend, his brother and SIL got really sick from COVID in late Feb and early March but nobody here had any tests or thought that it was here in America so their negative flu tests were all assumed to be testing errors. I had contact with them and around the same to my friend got really sick (missed 3 weeks of work), I felt like I was getting the sick. For a couple days in a row, I was having wild “fever dreams”, waking up feeling disoriented and was really sluggish at work. However, at 3 days, I felt normal. Maybe I had it and my immune system was able to deal with it.
cosjobs
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
At some point in the future there will likely be a serologic test to do this but nothing available yet AFAIK.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Spoke yesterday with a friend/former classmate who a couple of weeks ago had posted on FB that she wasn't feeling well, and we messaged a bit. She had all the telltale symptoms, loss of sense of taste, tissue around her eyes really red, fever, hacking cough, etc. By the time she was able to get to her doc, a couple of days later, he fever was gone, though the remainder of the symptoms persisted. They wouldn't test her. Another hospital wouldn't test her because her primary care doctor wasn't part of their hospital. Could've been the flu, "just a virus," or Covid.
All that, in addition to your example, to say I think the antibody testing is going to play a critical role in getting society back to somewhat normal.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
this was the latest I've seen on it: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/27/serological-tests-reveal-immune-coronavirus/?utm_source=STAT Newsletters&utm_campaign=3442a73637-MR_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cab1d7961-3442a73637-152297566&fbclid=IwAR2GldlhEG7x5DOC19CSEbAPxAXyaMnc8s9QG_uixQ0pXy-ONMyxvhE1jro
beer 30
Footballguy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Didn't see it myself but a coworker said Cuomo just mentioned this in today's briefing. Said NY Health Dept. has an antibody test they're hoping to get approved and rolled out soon.
JShare87
Footballguy
TheWinz
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
In his defense, he is arguing from the view that kids may not (or likely don’t) transmit it to others.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
FDA just approved it's first test (antibody test). Article I read said they expected to have tests available within a few weeks.
https://www.livescience.com/first-coronavirus-antibody-test-approved-us.html
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gianmarco
Footballguy
We've been doing the same. It's calming, especially in the morning to just keep it on in the background.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Don't have a link but just read an article that says there really aren't that many asymptomatic carriers. After going back and re-interviewing patients many said that they actually had symptoms but didn't report them because they didn't think it was important or that the symptoms were mild.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Good idea. I'll merely add that it would be good to skip Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra
just my opinion
Doug B
Footballguy
I can see not admitting a near-certain COVID patient who can walk and talk ... but at least prescribing something for the secondary infections would be decent.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I've been trying to track down a good source on this for a few days, but this is the best I got so far. I'll file this in the "I sure hope it's true category"...
In Italy “70% of blood donors tested positive for Covid-19”
60 people were set to donate blood in a village in the Lombardy region and 40 of them tested positive for Covid-19 with no current symptoms. If this is anywhere near reflective of how widespread the virus is and how many people have already had it, or experience mild to no symptoms, then the restoration of society could be very rapid with widespread quick testing.
Not something drop your guard over but a glimmer of hope.
In Italy “70% of blood donors tested positive for Covid-19”
60 people were set to donate blood in a village in the Lombardy region and 40 of them tested positive for Covid-19 with no current symptoms. If this is anywhere near reflective of how widespread the virus is and how many people have already had it, or experience mild to no symptoms, then the restoration of society could be very rapid with widespread quick testing.
Not something drop your guard over but a glimmer of hope.
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cosjobs
Footballguy
Taste relies on taste buds and your sense of smell. My theory is the virus initially resides in the back of your throat at the nexus of where taste and smell meet.
Maybe not exactly that, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with where it resides in the body
gianmarco
Footballguy
It's mostly loss of smell. However, taste is so closely tied into our sense of smell that it affects our ability to taste foods as well. I remember watching this long, long ago on Mr. Wizard's World.
The primary dysfunction for most though, from what I can tell, is the loss of smell that is secondarily causing loss of taste.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
of course not (drop the guard), but i'm sure this perky news will be torpedoed soon enough up in here - thanks for the link ✌
cosjobs
Footballguy
I'm downsizing my vinyl collection and have a rather large number of classical albums destined for Goodwill, if anyone local wants them.
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Doug B
Footballguy
a) Restaurants are running skeleton crews, generally. It's not like business as usual for food service. Schools can only cut so much adult staff before staying open is untenable.
b) Cleanliness standards in food service (jokes and anecdotes aside) are more in the occupational forefront than they are at schools -- and for sure past "little kid" grades.
shader
Footballguy
Germany tests better than anyone and 90% of their tests are negative, so I’d imagine the idea that 2/3rds of people are asymptomatic or have had the virus can be discounted pretty quickly.
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Doug B
Footballguy
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Found it reported on another Italian news site as well...
Coronavirus, Castiglione d'Adda is a case study: "70% of blood donors are positive"
That one guy
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Maybe Flight of the Valkyries wasn't the best choice.I tried playing classical music and my family got angry at me.
Doug B
Footballguy
I haven't seen anything concrete, no. That's why I frequently call for sampling outside of symptomatic carriers who present at hospitals. Shunting off even 5% of available tests to sample the U.S. population, IMHO, would be a huge help.
Quick story to make a point:
Years ago, there was a court case involving someone accused of selling cocaine. The prosecution sent some of the defendant's personal cash (large bills) off to a lab to test for traces of cocaine.
The lab tests came back positive -- there WERE traces of cocaine on the bills. Things looked bad for the defendant.
Defense counsel then got some random bills from area banks and had those tested for cocaine. The random bills came back positive for cocaine, too, and in generally the same proportion as the defendant's so-called "drug money" bills. The defendant was eventually found 'not guilty'.
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So basically, I'm hoping that before too long ... we have a clearer picture of whether or not COVID infections among the population are like cocaine traces on paper money.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
It sounds like the ant-body test was approved by the FDA yesterday. We need everyone to get tested ASAP to see how many of us have already been infected.
