“Untouchable” players (4 Viewers)

[mjb03003]

I wanted to take the Shark Tank’s temperature on deeming player(s) “untouchable” when it comes to trades/negotiations.

On the one hand, this game is meant to be fun, and having players you like and enjoy rooting for is important. I have had players that were both perfect fits for my roster and my favorite players in real life and I was very unmotivated to deal them.

On the other hand, isn’t there always another player, combination of players, or combination of players and picks that should dislodge you from any player simply because it makes your better and therefore more likely to win?

I love to trade but I find about 40% of owners consider their best 4-5 players “untouchable” even if that core and the rest of the roster isn’t good enough to win and holding onto it isn’t in their best interests long term.

I guess maybe that’s a negotiation tactic, as these owners want to find a way to get studs without giving up studs. Does that ever work out though?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

 

[mjb03003]

I kinda get it with a guy like Chase. Kinda. I had someone tell me McConkey was untouchable today. That I have a hard time understanding.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I kinda get it with a guy like Chase. Kinda. I had someone tell me McConkey was untouchable today. That I have a hard time understanding.

McConkey is a 2nd year player.

Sure, there’s a price for him, but I totally understand managers who hit on a draft pick not wanting to move them.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have a redraft take on your original point and I think you have a terrific topic you've introduced
Yes, GMs value their top 4-5 players way too much but then you have owners like yourself who are willing to wheel and deal so why not focus on those GMs

-The time in Redraft leagues to make trades is the very start of the season, the first 2-3 weeks, that's the time to make some quick roster evaluations if you can be honest with yourself
And start firing out trade offers. Waiting until the trade deadline is a mistake, most GMs are ready to start wheeling and dealing as soon as the draft is done
Many times you might find that a GM only took the player you wanted because he was just pulling them at random out of a tier they had and they aren't really married to them...YET!

Strike early and Strike fast, that's my advice on this in Redraft formats
Lot of Redraft GMs panic after one week, that's prime picking for the Sharks around here

 

[massraider]

Bowers.

Could have been a senior in college last year. Instead he caught 100 balls with doo doo at QB. As a rookie TE.

Read those three sentences again.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honorable mention: A player I literally just overpaid for last week.

I know I overpaid, I’m ok with that. I’m tryna win a title.

Don’t come at me with your value chart trade calc it’s fair on paper mumbo jumbo. It’s an insult.

Respect the overpay. If you want the dude I just overpaid for then you’d best come off the top rope with an over-overpay. I’m just saying.

 

[TheWinz]

This is definitely a topic for keeper/dynasty. In my favorite local redraft, I have traded/dropped my entire squad the last 2 seasons. In those years, I finished 1st and 3rd.

 

[Dez]

I once listened to a fantasy show like 10 years ago and asked them about trading 3 1st round picks for someone.

Their answer was there was no player they would ever trade 3 1st round picks for.

 

[Dez]

Bowers.

Could have been a senior in college last year. Instead he caught 100 balls with doo doo at QB. As a rookie TE.

Read those three sentences again.

So you're saying I messed up last year when I traded away Bowers, my 2026 1st, two 2025 2nds for Harrison and two 2025 3rds

 

[Dez]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

Last year was the year to get Chase I seen him go as late as pick 15 in the NFFC redraft right before the season when he walked off the practice field with no contract in hand

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Last year was the year to get Chase I seen him go as late as pick 15 in the NFFC redraft right before the season when he walked off the practice field with no contract in hand

That’s when I traded for him. It was somewhat reasonable - Bijan + a scrubby AT Perry for Chase.

Perry was getting a little preseason love and Chase had no contract.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I once listened to a fantasy show like 10 years ago and asked them about trading 3 1st round picks for someone.

Their answer was there was no player they would ever trade 3 1st round picks for.

If I had an otherwise stacked roster, and could have Ja’Chase for 3x 1sts, I wouldn’t hesitate.

 

[kutta]

ARSB for me. I’m a huge Lions fan. There’s nothing more fun than having a stud fantasy player on a team you love.
I’ve turned down some pretty good offers for him. There may be a price, but no one has come close yet.

 

[menobrown]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ARSB for me. I’m a huge Lions fan. There’s nothing more fun than having a stud fantasy player on a team you love.
I’ve turned down some pretty good offers for him. There may be a price, but no one has come close yet.

Also for me. He plays with a massive chip on his shoulder, plays hurt, just driven. When I read about the list in his locker I liked him even more. Players with his mental makeup are rare these days.

I wouldn’t deal him for anything less than a ridiculous offer.

 

[kutta]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

Well sure. If someone offered me a few firsts and Chase and Barkley for ARSB, they can have him!
But I think the real question is - who do you think you overvalue to the point that no one will pay what you think he’s worth.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

Yeah that’s def part of it. It takes a perfect storm of a league mate wanting a player that badly, having the resources to make such an otherworldly offer, and you being in a position to benefit from it.

Happened to me with Mahomes after his biggest year. But that’s 1 time out of a very long time playing this game.

Like I said above, Chase could be dealt for the right package. But absolutely no one in my league has the pieces to get it done, and they know how much I value him.

 

[mjb03003]

In keeper leagues that use a salary cap (I used to be in a few of these before transitioning to dynasty) there were a number of times where I had a player so impossibly cheap compared to their production that there was no rational reason to trade them and no competitor who could come up with a strong enough offer to motivate me to deal them.

Mahomes as a 2nd round rookie pick ended up being one of those guys. He was one of the cheapest QBs in the league and putting up absolutely monster numbers. It was fun and my league mates accepted that he was mine until his keeper cost started to catch up to his production.

In true dynasty though…no one is untouchable for me.

 

[mjb03003]

Like I said above, Chase could be dealt for the right package. But absolutely no one in my league has the pieces to get it done, and they know how much I value him.

I have Chase in 4-5 leagues and there’s 6-7 players who would probably have to be in the package to pry him away from me, but I find it very hard to believe no one in your league has the pieces. Their teams are all that bad?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Their teams are all that bad

No, their managers are too sensible to commit team suicide to buy one player for that unreasonable a price.

And best believe I’m downright unreasonable when it comes to Chase.

 

[menobrown]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

Well sure. If someone offered me a few firsts and Chase and Barkley for ARSB, they can have him!
But I think the real question is - who do you think you overvalue to the point that no one will pay what you think he’s worth.

Honestly probably no one and does not need to be a crazy example like you provided. If I think it makes my team better I'm interested. That's the only criteria I got.

Personally I thought the real question was not if you'd trade someone if you could make your team better. It's what players do you enjoy having on your team so much that the emotions of owning that player would make you refuse a trade that otherwise made sense for your team, made it better. My answer to that is again no one. Sure some players are more enjoyable to own and pull and some players I might personally dislike but for me enjoyment is reached by winning, trying to do that is the goal that supersedes all others so I'd trade my all time favorite player for my all time most loathed if I thought it would help my team achieve the goal of winning.

 

[TheWinz]

Only 1 player in nearly 40 years of FF was untouchable to me. It was Michael Vick, and I wouldn't touch him after he returned in 2009. Being bad to other humans is one thing, but he messed with the wrong critters, and I will never forgive him.

 

[kutta]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

Well sure. If someone offered me a few firsts and Chase and Barkley for ARSB, they can have him!
But I think the real question is - who do you think you overvalue to the point that no one will pay what you think he’s worth.

Honestly probably no one and does not need to be a crazy example like you provided. If I think it makes my team better I'm interested. That's the only criteria I got.

Personally I thought the real question was not if you'd trade someone if you could make your team better. It's what players do you enjoy having on your team so much that the emotions of owning that player would make you refuse a trade that otherwise made sense for your team, made it better. My answer to that is again no one. Sure some players are more enjoyable to own and pull and some players I might personally dislike but for me enjoyment is reached by winning, trying to do that is the goal that supersedes all others so I'd trade my all time favorite player for my all time most loathed if I thought it would help my team achieve the goal of winning.

Fair enough.

By your definition, ARSB is still that guy for me. My enjoyment definitely comes from winning too, but my true enjoyment is when my team wins (Lions, and Cardinals), and I can own a stud on those teams. It adds so much to my enjoyment that I would turn down trades that, on the surface, makes my team marginally better.

 

[Biabreakable]

Randy Moss.

 

[Soulfly3]

Untouchable in terms of I'm not accepting anything close to what ppl consider "market value", is Zay Flowers. Ppl talk about him like some middle of the road scrub, but he's a mega baller who has put up 2 very respectable seasons... We've seen his FLOOR, imo. It would've taken the 1.02 to get him from me this offseason, and even then I'd ponder... 1.01 for sure.

Truly untouchable, after the offseason, Joe Burrow. Chase and Higgins both resigning, I'm choo-choo'ing unless something insane is offered that'd likely end up vetoed.

 

[-OZ-]

Nobody is really untouchable, I prefer the term unreasonable - in that any offer would have to be unreasonable for me to consider. Could be on my favorite team (although currently there are no titans I’d be unreasonable about), could have been a favorite in college, or could just be someone I enjoy watching play and want to cheer on for their career. This doesn’t mean I have them on every dynasty roster but I want to have them on at least one.

Those players include Derrick Henry, Mike Evans, Brian Thomas jr, Aiden Hutchinson, Bryce Young, and Jameson Williams. Luckily most of these are on my team contending and doesn’t have many holes, so being “unreasonable” with their values doesn’t hurt the team.

 

[Shrek]

I once listened to a fantasy show like 10 years ago and asked them about trading 3 1st round picks for someone.

Their answer was there was no player they would ever trade 3 1st round picks for.

That is a year to year evaluation, IMO. I have 1.01 this year. There's been years when that pick wasn't worth as much more than a 1st rounder plus maybe a later pick and/or player. But this year, in a PPR league, I wouldn't trade that pick for anything less than two 1st round picks plus more. Jeanty has the chance to be that big of a difference maker. My draft isn't until June 12th and I am actually expecting some crazy offers in the range of three 1st rounders.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Untouchable in terms of I'm not accepting anything close to what ppl consider "market value", is Zay Flowers.

If I had him I would consider him quite touchable.


Poor phrasing , perhaps.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

One other that occurred to me:

Players who managers have held onto for years that finally break out. Jameson Williams is that guy. I tried to buy low during the bad times, and owners in all my leagues had a candle lit for him. None would sell. Not low, not fair, not with an overpay.

Then last year he finally had a breakout season and proved his shareholders right. I’d venture that you’d have an easier time negotiating for Ja’Marr than you would Jamo at this point.

Vindication is a hell of a drug, and those shareholders have those zero years baked into his price. It would take an unrealistic offer to get him from a competitive team now, to the point he’s probably untouchable.

 

[ghostguy123]

Never ever ever have I had a player that was untouchable.
I've had players who I needed an "overpay" to move.
For example, Jamar Chase. The price I would need (let's say 100 bucks worth of value) is what I would need, yet if trying to trade for chase I would absolutely NOT pay that same 100 bucks.

 

[JohnnyU]

Untouchable in terms of I'm not accepting anything close to what ppl consider "market value", is Zay Flowers.

If I had him I would consider him quite touchable.


Poor phrasing , perhaps.

Yeah, me too. Flowers isn’t exactly untouchable, or even close to it.

 

[jm192]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

 

[ghostguy123]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

If someone offers you Jeanty and Drake London do you take it?
Technically that's an overpay.
I've never seen a trade in a startup draft where someone trades the #1 pick for basically the #6 pick and #17 pick.
However, in an existing league, I'd likely keep Chase.

Now, basically same value of startup players.......Lamb and Barkley. Ill take those two guys over Chase.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

If someone offers you Jeanty and Drake London do you take it?
Technically that's an overpay.
I've never seen a trade in a startup draft where someone trades the #1 pick for basically the #6 pick and #17 pick.
However, in an existing league, I'd likely keep Chase.

Now, basically same value of startup players.......Lamb and Barkley. Ill take those two guys over Chase.

I would not take Lamb + Barkley over Chase.

I might take Jeanty+London for Chase, but probably not.

Chase put up 3 games over 40, and 1 was 55 last year. He also broke 20 9x.

Just an absolute hammer.

 

[ghostguy123]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

If someone offers you Jeanty and Drake London do you take it?
Technically that's an overpay.
I've never seen a trade in a startup draft where someone trades the #1 pick for basically the #6 pick and #17 pick.
However, in an existing league, I'd likely keep Chase.

Now, basically same value of startup players.......Lamb and Barkley. Ill take those two guys over Chase.

I would not take Lamb + Barkley over Chase.

I might take Jeanty+London for Chase, but probably not.

Chase put up 3 games over 40, and 1 was 55 last year. He also broke 20 9x.

Just an absolute hammer.

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

 

[menobrown]

Never had a player I would not trade if the deal was right. Thought never crosses my mind. At most I'll think no one will ever pay what I value so and so, but if they did, he'd be theirs.

Well sure. If someone offered me a few firsts and Chase and Barkley for ARSB, they can have him!
But I think the real question is - who do you think you overvalue to the point that no one will pay what you think he’s worth.

Honestly probably no one and does not need to be a crazy example like you provided. If I think it makes my team better I'm interested. That's the only criteria I got.

Personally I thought the real question was not if you'd trade someone if you could make your team better. It's what players do you enjoy having on your team so much that the emotions of owning that player would make you refuse a trade that otherwise made sense for your team, made it better. My answer to that is again no one. Sure some players are more enjoyable to own and pull and some players I might personally dislike but for me enjoyment is reached by winning, trying to do that is the goal that supersedes all others so I'd trade my all time favorite player for my all time most loathed if I thought it would help my team achieve the goal of winning.

Fair enough.

By your definition, ARSB is still that guy for me. My enjoyment definitely comes from winning too, but my true enjoyment is when my team wins (Lions, and Cardinals), and I can own a stud on those teams. It adds so much to my enjoyment that I would turn down trades that, on the surface, makes my team marginally better.

When it all comes together where a player on your favorite real life team is a stud for your fantasy team it's the best.

Antonio Brown and Bell were two such players I've owned that were like that for me and if we can forget the late and post career AB and think back to the underdog hard working 6th round pick who spent 6 straight seasons as the WR1 with one the WR2 finish it's fair to say I've never liked anyone more on a dynasty team I ran. Before his wheel came off one of my all time favorite players. I also thought, he was going to age really well because of his work ethic-which we never totally found out because of his mentals so I was not even worried about the age cliff like I normally did and always assumed I'd just own him to the end and no one would ever give me what I value him as being worth.

He's someone that realistically would have been hard for someone to pay me enough to trade him. But like I saw a trade in the trade thread for Jamaar Chase last week and that kind of trade I would deal any player. After seeing that trade I though of the 15'ish years I've been playing dynasty and some of the most valued and beloved players I've owned and there is no one I would not trade for that kind of haul.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

If someone offers you Jeanty and Drake London do you take it?
Technically that's an overpay.
I've never seen a trade in a startup draft where someone trades the #1 pick for basically the #6 pick and #17 pick.
However, in an existing league, I'd likely keep Chase.

Now, basically same value of startup players.......Lamb and Barkley. Ill take those two guys over Chase.

This is why I always say the best direction to trade in startups is usually up.

Everyone wants to trade down, but when you plug the players into the trades the team trading up usually wins. It's much easier to trade for a higher pick than to trade for a top player.

For example one VERY common trade in startup drafts is...

Startup 1st for Startup 3rd + 2026 1st

Looking at some of those deals in my startups, they ended up being

Jamaar Chase for AJ Brown + 2026 1st
Ashton Jeanty for Kyren Williams + 2026 1st
Jahmyr Gibbs for Rashee Rice + 2026 1st

Those are offers that, in an established league with the actual player names attached, would be rejected out of hand. Yet in every startup I see there are almost always two trades where someone gives their startup 1st for a startup 3rd + 2026 1st.

It's just something with the way our brains work, it's easier to equate larger moves in draft position to being reasonable than large moves in the actual quality of players. A 3rd round pick feels closer to a 1st round pick than AJ Brown feels to Jamaar Chase or Kyren does to Bijan, etc.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is why I always say the best direction to trade in startups is usually up.

Everyone wants to trade down, but when you plug the players into the trades the team trading up usually wins. It's much easier to trade for a higher pick than to trade for a top player.

I had the 1.01 in a 16 team startup. Took Mahomes (who I later traded for a haul)

I dealt a future 1st & 2nd for pick 2.01 (Lamb), and another future 1st & 2nd for pick 2.03 (AJB)

They remain cornerstones of my LCG-bound franchise (finished LCG loser last year).

The two teams I traded with got 1.14 & 2.14, then 1.15 & 1.16 respectively. Neither is competitive at this point.

If I do another start-up in the future I will 100% try to pull off the same moves. There’s just no replacing the value of those early startup picks with future rookie picks.

 

[ghostguy123]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

 

[ghostguy123]

For me, Ja’Marr Chase is untouchable. There’s an offer I would accept, but it would be so preposterous no one would ever make it.

That’s not less fun. It’s more fun for me because I have Chase.

This.

Everyone on my team has a price. Ja'Marr Chase's price tag says "too much." Now, if someone wants to pay "too much," well then, I'll trade him. But most people don't like the idea of overpaying.

If someone offers you Jeanty and Drake London do you take it?
Technically that's an overpay.
I've never seen a trade in a startup draft where someone trades the #1 pick for basically the #6 pick and #17 pick.
However, in an existing league, I'd likely keep Chase.

Now, basically same value of startup players.......Lamb and Barkley. Ill take those two guys over Chase.

This is why I always say the best direction to trade in startups is usually up.

Everyone wants to trade down, but when you plug the players into the trades the team trading up usually wins. It's much easier to trade for a higher pick than to trade for a top player.

For example one VERY common trade in startup drafts is...

Startup 1st for Startup 3rd + 2026 1st

Looking at some of those deals in my startups, they ended up being

Jamaar Chase for AJ Brown + 2026 1st
Ashton Jeanty for Kyren Williams + 2026 1st
Jahmyr Gibbs for Rashee Rice + 2026 1st

Those are offers that, in an established league with the actual player names attached, would be rejected out of hand. Yet in every startup I see there are almost always two trades where someone gives their startup 1st for a startup 3rd + 2026 1st.

It's just something with the way our brains work, it's easier to equate larger moves in draft position to being reasonable than large moves in the actual quality of players. A 3rd round pick feels closer to a 1st round pick than AJ Brown feels to Jamaar Chase or Kyren does to Bijan, etc.

I'm the opposite, much more success trading down for me.
However, I wouldn't trade a mid 1st in a startup for a 3rd plus a future 1st.

For example in a recent one I traded pick #2 for picks 25, 50, and a future 1st.

I definitely like trading up for "my guys" as the draft goes on though

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

 

[ghostguy123]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

 

[IHEARTFF]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

That’s basically 1.1 for 1.8 and 2.5 approximately in a start up. I think I take that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

It’s a good deal, like I said.

I have Chase a tier higher than Lamb, but they’re close.

The age factor of Barkley is why probably wouldn’t do it, but it’s situation dependent. If I’m ready to win a ship and someone offered that to me, I’d probably take it, win it, then flip Barkley assuming he’s still intact.

 

[ghostguy123]

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

It’s a good deal, like I said.

I have Chase a tier higher than Lamb, but they’re close.

The age factor of Barkley is why probably wouldn’t do it, but it’s situation dependent. If I’m ready to win a ship and someone offered that to me, I’d probably take it, win it, then flip Barkley assuming he’s still intact.

If I was rebuilding I take it, cause it would be so easy to deal Barkley and then just keep Lamb, or trade him, too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

It’s a good deal, like I said.

I have Chase a tier higher than Lamb, but they’re close.

The age factor of Barkley is why probably wouldn’t do it, but it’s situation dependent. If I’m ready to win a ship and someone offered that to me, I’d probably take it, win it, then flip Barkley assuming he’s still intact.

If I was rebuilding I take it, cause it would be so easy to deal Barkley and then just keep Lamb, or trade him, too.

Definitely. It’s a good point. It’s a lot of capital to work with.