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gianmarco said:
I find that strange because I think Chelsea has been the most consistent of the three, especially in how stingy their defense has been. And doing that with Lukaku out to boot.

I think it's 33/33/33 at this point.
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Ok, 538 is going to be way off the oddsmakers once the new odds are posted.  +City, +Chelsea at the expense of Liverpool.  So grain of salt with my earlier post.

 
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Oof.  Just realized the gap between the stats nerd sites and the actual odds are likely being driven by the African Cup of Nations timing.  Looks like that's costing Liverpool about a 20% chance of winning the title.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Oof.  Just realized the gap between the stats nerd sites and the actual odds are likely being driven by the African Cup of Nations timing.  Looks like that's costing Liverpool about a 20% chance of winning the title.
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Yup - they will be missing Salah, Mane, and Keita.

Chelsea will be missing Mendy

City will be missing Mahrez.

Its still a little unclear when the players must be released - could be as early as the end of December.  I think the teams, Liverpool in particular, are still negotiating with national teams.  Liverpool have Leicester and Chelsea at the end of December, start of January.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Yup - they will be missing Salah, Mane, and Keita.

Chelsea will be missing Mendy

City will be missing Mahrez.

Its still a little unclear when the players must be released - could be as early as the end of December.  I think the teams, Liverpool in particular, are still negotiating with national teams.  Liverpool have Leicester and Chelsea at the end of December, start of January.
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Years ago I remember Chelsea being decimated by afcon every season. It seems much more important to African players than anything to do with the club. 

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Every team from 5th to 13th in the EPL has a GD between 0 and -4.

Only the top-4 are positive.
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That is an insane statistic. 

WH are +9. The top 3 are between +23 and +32.

United is at 0.

The rest of the 15 teams in the league have a negative GD. 

I don't even know how that's possible.

 
Jude Bellingham:  "When you give a referee who's match fixed before the biggest game in Germany, what do you expect?"

Me:  "hahaha, sore loser."

Internet:  "no, seriously.  The ref in the Dortmund v Bayern game took bribes in the past from a betting mafia."

 
have had to work most of the day... watching games in the background.

PSG. every time I watch them... just not good. I mentioned it recently, like watching some mid-level college team running barely running around, outplayed, but with 3 Herman award winners up front who end up scoring the goal to win or tie at the death... usually out of nothing.

they were getting hammered today vs Lens... losing 0-1 and should've been 0-3or4. but Mbappe hits a perfect cross and Wynaldum heads it home to salvage a tie.

people talking about Poch as a replacement coach at... Man U? really not sure what you're hoping for. this team is a flat out mess.

 
SC Freiburg have scored 5 goals in the first 25 minutes away at Gladbach.  5 different goal scorers.  Not sure I've ever seen anything like this.

United had a clean sheet today.  At OT. First time since April, ffs.

 
Despite all the moaning and groaning by a couple of the teams fans, right now the Big 6 + West Ham occupy the top 7 spots in the table.  With a game in hand, Tottenham could be in 4th and Arsenal could get to 5th.

 
gianmarco said:
Wow, really bad call against AVL. That's a goal.
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A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

 
Sinn Fein said:
A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).
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That ball didn't look like it was in control. His hand touched it a fraction of a second before it was put into the goal. 

Might be correct by letter of the rule but that feels wrong.

 
gianmarco said:
That ball didn't look like it was in control. His hand touched it a fraction of a second before it was put into the goal. 

Might be correct by letter of the rule but that feels wrong.
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Letter of the rule seemed to be it was the wrong call because it took place when the ball rebounded off his hand from a save.

…except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

That’s exactly what happened. 🤷‍♂️

 
McBokonon said:
Letter of the rule seemed to be it was the wrong call because it took place when the ball rebounded off his hand from a save.

…except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

That’s exactly what happened. 🤷‍♂️
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When it was kicked it had not rebounded off his hand.  His hand, albeit only 1, was on the ball, which was on the ground.

I think the letter of the law was followed here, even if the law itself is not overly clear.

 
I didn't watch, but interesting that Norwich had 59/41 possession advantage against Tottenham. Both given they were playing @ Tottenham and just the caliber of the teams. They also managed 10 shots although only 1 on target.

 
gianmarco said:
I didn't watch, but interesting that Norwich had 59/41 possession advantage against Tottenham. Both given they were playing @ Tottenham and just the caliber of the teams. They also managed 10 shots although only 1 on target.
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Spurs are mostly a counter-attacking team these days, and are happy to concede possession - intentionally or otherwise.

The 343 formation they use is not really conducive to long spells of possession, because they lack that kind of quality in the CM2.

That said - Spurs ended up winning comfortably, but it never felt comfortable. 

 
McBokonon said:
Wouldn't that be the "has made a save" part? 
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I think this implies the ball is moving away from the keeper - otherwise, you could go after the ball anytime the keeper has made a save...

In this particular instance - Schmeichel did have his hand on the ball, albeit momentarily, and the ball was stationary (i.e. not moving away from him).

 
I know there is a propensity to protect keepers in theses situations, but I do think they should be allowing attacking players to make a play on the ball like this - where the player and keeper both have a 50-50 shot at getting to the ball first - even if the keeper technically gets a hand on it.

(The flip side is I am sure they want to avoid situations of the keeper getting kicked in the hand/head.)

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think this implies the ball is moving away from the keeper - otherwise, you could go after the ball anytime the keeper has made a save...

In this particular instance - Schmeichel did have his hand on the ball, albeit momentarily, and the ball was stationary (i.e. not moving away from him).
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Letter of that law means it should've been a goal. He made the initial save.

 
El Floppo said:
Letter of that law means it should've been a goal. He made the initial save.
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in English - the letter of the law would be no goal.

:grad:

The phrase that is qualified is:

"or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save"

That qualifying phrase does not apply to: 

"A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body)"

In this case - the ball was between Schmeichel's hand and the ground.  Thus, he, by the letter of the law, is determined to be in possession.  Which leads to: A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

No goal.

 
El Floppo said:
except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save"
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Right - but as I noted above - that only qualifies this:  "or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms"

There is a separate clause that covers the situation in the game - which is not qualified by the "except" language.  That states:

"A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body)"

Which, is what happened here.  The ball was not merely touching the keeper - the ball was between the hand and the ground - thus no qualifier for "except if the ball rebounds..."

 
El Floppo said:
damn... sucks for the Union having to go through that. 11 players out?! and they still kept it close- full credit to them. 

congrats to NYC for taking care of things (they had a couple players out too- but not 11).

NYC vs Portland for the final... in Portland. You never know, but this should be Portland.
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nycfc can suck it

 
El Floppo said:
damn... sucks for the Union having to go through that. 11 players out?! and they still kept it close- full credit to them. 

congrats to NYC for taking care of things (they had a couple players out too- but not 11).

NYC vs Portland for the final... in Portland. You never know, but this should be Portland.
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After 5 years, they finally got some luck and managed to close the deal.  They've built a team for depth and it finally showed.  Happy for them.

 
guru_007 said:
United had a clean sheet today.  At OT. First time since April, ffs.
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Its amazing right?

United: Ragnarock has started well.  They actually looked good, played hard, moved the ball with urgency.  Makes you wonder since they've had 1 training day with Rangnick, did he do that much?  

Looking to see how the rotation works and how he fits the outsiders in better than Ole did.

 
B Maverick said:
Its amazing right?

United: Ragnarock has started well.  They actually looked good, played hard, moved the ball with urgency.  Makes you wonder since they've had 1 training day with Rangnick, did he do that much?  

Looking to see how the rotation works and how he fits the outsiders in better than Ole did.
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Two things jumped out:

4-2-2-2. It’s an unusual formation so possibly caught CP off guard 

High press and high line - also rattled CP.  

Obviously, both are directly attributable to Rangnick but they could have lost the match too.  But that is the type of performance - attacking, pressing and imposing their will on the opposition that United fans have been wanting but Ole had little interest in playing that way.

It will be a somewhat painful process I imagine and they’ll have some matches where they will get shredded but something has to be done and I think this is a step in the right direction.

 
AAABatteries said:
Two things jumped out:

4-2-2-2. It’s an unusual formation so possibly caught CP off guard 

High press and high line - also rattled CP.  

Obviously, both are directly attributable to Rangnick but they could have lost the match too.  But that is the type of performance - attacking, pressing and imposing their will on the opposition that United fans have been wanting but Ole had little interest in playing that way.

It will be a somewhat painful process I imagine and they’ll have some matches where they will get shredded but something has to be done and I think this is a step in the right direction.
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:goodposting:

I'm not a big fan of the 4-2-2-2, I like a team to play with width, change point of attack, etc.... But it did look good for most of the game.  If and When they have a few training days, we'll see what he can implement and improve.

Maguire played faster, Fred looked better going forward, a lot of rotation up top.    

With Young Boys, Norwich, Brentford, Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley taking us through New Years, excellent chance for rotation and getting his philosophy going.

 
B Maverick said:
:goodposting:

I'm not a big fan of the 4-2-2-2, I like a team to play with width, change point of attack, etc.... But it did look good for most of the game.  If and When they have a few training days, we'll see what he can implement and improve.

Maguire played faster, Fred looked better going forward, a lot of rotation up top.    

With Young Boys, Norwich, Brentford, Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley taking us through New Years, excellent chance for rotation and getting his philosophy going.
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Honestly, I'm not sure I've really seen a lot of 4-2-2-2.  To me, it's basically "run your balls off" when the opponent changes the point of attack to the other side.  Until the are used to playing it (if that's what they keep playing) a quality side that is adept at switching the ball is going to probably kill them.  I'm thinking the big 3 in particular.  As you said though, United has a nice run of fixtures to get used to it. 

 
B Maverick said:
Saw a pic on twitter of one being basically his toe.  Thought they were going to make it so that didn't happen with thicker lines?
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I have no idea.

his foot was an inch beyond the arsenal defender's foot... but the arsenal defender's hand was beyond richarlison's foot. :loco:

 
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