✍ Knowshon Moreno to season ending IR. (1 Viewer)

[JFS171]

I'm not going to argue he was paid like a starter... I just don't see much to get excited about from Miller. Thomas was worthless. I think at worst a healthy Moreno gets the Thomas work from last year (110 attempts) plus the likely 3rd down role due to his pass pro skills and ability in the receiving game.

On the other hand, if Miller doesn't prove to be very good (again) then Moreno's the guy... even if it is just for a year and Miami gets their long-term answer in the 2015 draft. There's hype articles saying they want to use Miller like Shady was used in Philly. IMO, Moreno's a LOT closer to that type of skill set than Miller.

 

[Concept Coop]

There's hype articles saying they want to use Miller like Shady was used in Philly.

Is it 2013/14 pre-season again? Haven't we done this already? These hype mongerers are out of control.

 

[G5781]

Miller is the worst kind of RB to own in fantasy. A RB that wont have a big role in pass game or goal line work. Those seem to be the roles that Moreno will have which makes him a much better fantasy option.

 

[Touchdown There]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

 

[cstu]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

They already guaranteed him $1.25M of his $3M contract so why would they want him re-injured since he only costs them another $1.75M for the entire season if he stays healthy? The idea that they'd want him to break down so they can cut him before the season starts makes no sense.

 

[Touchdown There]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

They already guaranteed him $1.25M of his $3M contract so why would they want him re-injured since he only costs them another $1.75M for the entire season if he stays healthy? The idea that they'd want him to break down so they can cut him before the season starts makes no sense.

I never said they want to break him down, I said ride him hard. The guy has to get in shape and show that his knee is solid. The idea that they are going to coddle him with few reps and then hand the majority of game day reps is what makes no sense. This is Lamar Miller's job this year until Lamar Miller is hurt or he goes 3-5 games with poor showings. Moreno is a backup to see what the young guy can do this year.

 

[Gawain]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

 

[cstu]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

They already guaranteed him $1.25M of his $3M contract so why would they want him re-injured since he only costs them another $1.75M for the entire season if he stays healthy? The idea that they'd want him to break down so they can cut him before the season starts makes no sense.

I never said they want to break him down, I said ride him hard. The guy has to get in shape and show that his knee is solid. The idea that they are going to coddle him with few reps and then hand the majority of game day reps is what makes no sense. This is Lamar Miller's job this year until Lamar Miller is hurt or he goes 3-5 games with poor showings. Moreno is a backup to see what the young guy can do this year.

I believe it's Miller's job but there's no incentive for them to push Moreno. Even if he ends up being PUP'ed and misses the first 6 games the Dolphins want him healthy.

 

[TheFanatic]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Well said

 

[ourmanflint]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

 

[TheFanatic]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

This is evidenced how?

And doesn't Miller always look great in camp? Am I remembering this wrong or doesn't he always look good in camp. It's during the season he looks like ish and well, I don't play fantasy in the preseason...

 

[Gawain]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

Yes, I am stating that a guy coming off PUP and being reported to look "slim & trim" can only see his value rise when earlier news was he'd miss all of preseason. I am wondering when Miller looked "pretty good." In 29 games he has rushed for 100 yards or scored a touchdown exactly 4 times (this figure goes all the way up to 5 if you include rushing and receiving). Miller is also banged up at the moment. Mike Gillislee is now getting positive buzz. It's easy to do early in camp. This isn't Miller's job to take away. Miami had a pile of suck at RB last year and I think that Moreno sucks the least at what Miami will need their running backs to do this year.

 

[Touchdown There]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

 

[Gawain]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

I assume you're referring to a depth chart released before the first preseason game, but I'll stick with the head coach who stated "that competition is ongoing and no spots have been decided."

 

[JFS171]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.

If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

You can find anything you like to back up the position of Moreno or Miller.

-Philbin originally said that Moreno was the starter when he signed. However when he showed up out of shape and then needed knee surgery, can you understand how that might impact the coach and front office?

-Miller comes in having a great camp. he went 6/36, 2/27/TD on Sat's scrimmage so don't say he can't catch the ball, he certainly can and simply has not been asked to do it a lot to this point. I think Miller is perfectly capable of 40 catches but the Phins simply have more talent at the receiver and TE spots so they tend to throw there.

-Miami is going to struggle along the OL which is where Moreno should have an edge. Moreno should be the 3rd down back. I think Miller will get a few more carries.

2012: Mia 369 carries RB1/2/3

2013: Mia 286 carries RB1/2/3

Bill Lazor/OC: I took his 3 years at Virginia in the ACC, kind of interesting and his 1 year in Phi where he technically was the QB coach.

2013 Phi: 389 carries RB1/2

2012 VA: 297 carries RB1/2 over 12 games

2011 VA: 336 carries RB1/2 over 12 games

2010 VA: 297 carries RB1/2 over 12 games

It is interesting that Lazor seems to run the ball quite a bit more than Philbin does. You must take notice of this. This could easily be a sizable split both ways.

Stats could be something like:

MIller 200/800, 32/200 or 1,000 combined and maybe 4-5 TD if he can break a few.

Moreno 160/640, 40/300 or close to 1,000 combined and if he has the goal line work then you can pencil in 6-8 TDs here.

Just trying to put numbers to machine here instead of arguing tastes great less filling.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

 

[ourmanflint]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

It wasn't considered a tremendous reach. He was considered a first round talent out of UGA. He's had much more success in the NFL than Lamar Miller as well - even looking beyond last season's dream scenario of playing in a record breaking offense.

How would he have looked in last season's Miami offense? Don't really know, but my guess is he would have been able to distance himself from Daniel Thomas.

 

[JFS171]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

You're not helping yourself by pointing to Jeff Ireland as a savant of NFL drafts. Moreno was still a first rounder and likely would have been regardless of if McDaniels took him in the top 15. Miller was passed on by all 32 teams at least 3 times... some passed on him 4.

 

[ourmanflint]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

You're not helping yourself by pointing to Jeff Ireland as a savant of NFL drafts. Moreno was still a first rounder and likely would have been regardless of if McDaniels took him in the top 15. Miller was passed on by all 32 teams at least 3 times... some passed on him 4.

WTF? When did I do that?

 

[cstu]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

People can't deny he did a great job of winning the starting job from Daniel Thomas while Moreno has been injured.

 

[Touchdown There]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.

 

[Gawain]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.

I'd take that action. Say I win if Moreno finishes greater than RB30, you win if he's cut and if it's a push we both donate 20 bucks to charity.

 

[Touchdown There]

And I am not saying that because of Lamar Miller's talent level, which may be average. I say this w confidence because Moreno has proven himself to be average, is on a weak bum knee and he is not a leader. A reporter said the Dolphins brass feel "catfished" by Moreno. They know his knee was not right from fb activities last year. He hoped it would heal up in the offseason and it didnt, most likely because it was a cartilage issue.

And please link to where Philbin is quoted as saying Moreno is the starter.

 

[Touchdown There]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.

I'd take that action. Say I win if Moreno finishes greater than RB30, you win if he's cut and if it's a push we both donate 20 bucks to charity.

Deal at rb 24. I don't consider rb 30 fantasy worthy.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

RB 30 is a solid RB3, certainly not fantasy unworthy. Call his bluff.

 

[Touchdown There]

RB 30 is a solid RB3, certainly not fantasy unworthy. Call his bluff.

The original wager I offered was on Moreno being the man over Miller. No one is crazy enough to take that bet.We are working another wager that is different, keep them separate.

 

[Touchdown There]

RB 30 is a solid RB3, certainly not fantasy unworthy. Call his bluff.

The original wager I offered was on Moreno being the man over Miller. No one is crazy enough to take that bet.We are working another wager that is different, keep them separate.

Do you think Moreno will end the year with more fantasy points than Miller?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If you're asking me, I honestly don't know. The Miami backfield is a conundrum. I wouldn't make a bet either way.

 

[Dismattle]

Ive owned Miller from the get-go, so my response could be biased (shocking I know)

It sounds like We will get to see Moreno in the pre-season.. (out of shape, hobbling from scope?) I truly doubt some of this banter. The guy may have hoped to bang all season, so its possible a little extra weight gain was needed to compensate for the burn that is commin. I dunno the time table on these look-see knee ops, but it isn't very long recovery

It could be a lot closer than some may be thinking, if judging on performance: OLine not having "jelled", so not much advantage over the 2nds.

I guess most of us see the right person/ news outlet shout "guy commin for the job" and we all sorta fall-in. Im not exactly sold on this 1yr deal etc,. as being pointed out above

The real Kicker for me is that D Thomas "could" be cut. Ive seen some positive plays, Im just being honest here..

Moreno could be used in more the true banger role; Im thinkin some short yardage, and GL. Weve all seen speed guys slam into lines, its kinda lame imo

However, thankfully (imho) Miller has added nearly ten pounds of muscle! Speed kills in College, but you need to bring it in the Pro's

Overall Id take the advice given by one of the Gurus you trust on the boards.

But Im sticking to Miller

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.

I'd take that action. Say I win if Moreno finishes greater than RB30, you win if he's cut and if it's a push we both donate 20 bucks to charity.

Deal at rb 24. I don't consider rb 30 fantasy worthy.

In a start two RB league with a flex, RB30 is the baseline RB, above that would be fantasy worthy.

 

[ourmanflint]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.

We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

It wasn't considered a tremendous reach. He was considered a first round talent out of UGA. He's had much more success in the NFL than Lamar Miller as well - even looking beyond last season's dream scenario of playing in a record breaking offense.

How would he have looked in last season's Miami offense? Don't really know, but my guess is he would have been able to distance himself from Daniel Thomas.

It's tough to look past that but Moreno was looking very much like a bust until Peyton breathed life into that offense. This is only Miller's 3rd year and he's never had the luxury of an effective offense around him. Pretty tough to compare them but I will admit, Miller needs to improve in pass protection to really take off. He is making strides in other areas so its not out of the question.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

It wasn't considered a tremendous reach. He was considered a first round talent out of UGA. He's had much more success in the NFL than Lamar Miller as well - even looking beyond last season's dream scenario of playing in a record breaking offense.

How would he have looked in last season's Miami offense? Don't really know, but my guess is he would have been able to distance himself from Daniel Thomas.

It's tough to look past that but Moreno was looking very much like a bust until Peyton breathed life into that offense. This is only Miller's 3rd year and he's never had the luxury of an effective offense around him. Pretty tough to compare them but I will admit, Miller needs to improve in pass protection to really take off. He is making strides in other areas so its not out of the question.

Moreno had 2,311 total yards and 17 TDs his first two seasons in the league (with no Manning); Miller's had 1,174 total yards and 3 TDs during his first two seasons in the league. Who has looked like more of a bust after two years in the league?

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Ive owned Miller from the get-go, so my response could be biased (shocking I know)

It sounds like We will get to see Moreno in the pre-season.. (out of shape, hobbling from scope?) I truly doubt some of this banter. The guy may have hoped to bang all season, so its possible a little extra weight gain was needed to compensate for the burn that is commin. I dunno the time table on these look-see knee ops, but it isn't very long recovery

It could be a lot closer than some may be thinking, if judging on performance: OLine not having "jelled", so not much advantage over the 2nds.

I guess most of us see the right person/ news outlet shout "guy commin for the job" and we all sorta fall-in. Im not exactly sold on this 1yr deal etc,. as being pointed out above

The real Kicker for me is that D Thomas "could" be cut. Ive seen some positive plays, Im just being honest here..

Moreno could be used in more the true banger role; Im thinkin some short yardage, and GL. Weve all seen speed guys slam into lines, its kinda lame imo

However, thankfully (imho) Miller has added nearly ten pounds of muscle! Speed kills in College, but you need to bring it in the Pro's

Overall Id take the advice given by one of the Gurus you trust on the boards.

But Im sticking to Miller

Hi D, please name a few RBs who were speed guys and added 5-10 lbs of muscle and their game in the NFL took off. I'm not saying it has not happened but I can't think of very many if any. Hoping others can think of a few.

 

[Dismattle]

That's a solid point, but I swear that Ive heard some RB's add some muscle weight (actually Miller has been speculated to have added eight pds.) Overall I think the different OLine, along w hopefully better play-calling adds to the numbers

The only counter I would imagine fits is how often a RB has lost eight pounds of muscle which added to their game : / ( at the Pro -Level) Also worth noting, its quite common for Gurus to make mention of a players "frame" which relates to how much Mass can be added.

Edit// Looks like we will have two test case's for next Season:

In an effort to increase his durability and have more 16-game seasons in the future, Mathews has put on some more muscle this offseason. Per the U-T San Diego’s Tom Krasovic, Mathews weighs 222 pounds, which is up from the 215 pounds he weighed in training camp last year. Krasovic noted in his minicamp observations that the RB made some “quick cuts”, so it doesn’t sound like the added muscle will sap any of his explosiveness.

http://www.stack.com/2014/04/07/football-training/

The best thing a football player can do is put on 7 to 10 pounds of lean muscle and drop three percent body fat, according to Scot Prohaska, strength coach for nationally ranked Mater Dei High School (Calif.) football team.

“Lean muscle is the engine behind power and speed,” says Prohaska, who trains top NFL Draft prospect, Blake Bortles.

How do you pack on lean muscle? Prohaska prescribes a three-step routine:

1. Train with weights four days per week (discover Prohaska’s Barbell Complex)
2. Meet your protein needs (1g of protein per pound of bodyweight)
3. Observe the "Big Boy at Night/Big Boy in the Morning" Rule. If you go out with your friends at night, get up in the morning and get your work in. Nothing gets in the way of workouts.

Todd Durkin, founder of Fitness Quest 10, also stresses the importance of dialing in on your nutritional needs. He says, “Eat breakfast, eat five meals per day, have a snack 60 to 90 minutes prior to working out and [another] within 30 minutes post-workout, [including] lean sources of protein, complex carbs and healthy fats.”

Running backs and BMI

 

[purestrength]

My thinking (hope) is that Moreno becomes the modern-day Thomas Jones. Drafted in the first round, underperformed in the eyes of the fantasy community in his early years (causing many to declare "I'll never draft that bum again"), then something clicked in the middle of his career and he began to produce on real-life and fantasy levels. Many will continue to insult him and ignore him in drafts while those who have noticed his passionate performances (New England game last year, anyone?) will reap the rewards of drafting him at a bargain price.

Now if this latest injury lingers and affects him throughout 2014, forget every word I just said.

 

[Dismattle]

This kinda negates my earlier post in regards to weight increase's, while disregarding the reference of actual NFL players only.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218730-nfl-how-height-and-weight-affect-a-players-performance-by-postion

Its also worth noting that the "knock" on Miller is/was ability to learn the playbook, which kinda opens the door for further discussion at some point. Obviously Miller has to prove himself capable to pass-block etc. But if Moreno has had his nose in the newest playbook (guessing its new) this could be an advantage w a time-limited value..

Thank-you for your response earlier Mr Non! I believe it helped (inadvertently) to reevaluate my core RB's for my Dynasty team, but truthfully I have no proof that weight gain improves the performance of NFL RB's

p.s. I wouldn't mind owning the next Bettis/Jones myself. I kinda thought I had it in Turner (oops)

 

[jurb26]

Moreno has no role for the Dolphin's right now. His contract is heavily weighted towards game day bonuses. I think they are about to ride him hard for the rest of camp on a weak knee. He reported out of shape months ago and then had knee surgery. Even if you don't believe in Lamar Miller, there is very little chance he loses his starting gig to Moreno at this point in time.

It will be interesting to see who is right on this (though it's the Dolphins, good chance we're all losers), because I feel the exact opposite.We were hearing that Moreno might not make it back for any preseason and might ride the PUP train for the first six games. Now he's back. We've seen what Miller can do and it's not good. He isn't going to get passing game work and he isn't going to get goal line work. Combine that with the Dolphins line doing the best impression of a screen door this side of a Polish submarine and we've got a recipe for a back strong in pass protection to see the lion's share of the work. I'd be surprised if Moreno broke 4.0 YPC, but 200 carries at 3.5 plus 40 catches at 9 is 1,060 yards. Toss in 8 TDs and he's a decent RB2 and a great flex. I can't envision Miller in anything more than CoP status if Moreno is close to healthy.

Actually, Miller has looked pretty good in camp so far and it was only 5 days ago we heard that Moreno may miss the entire preseason (link here). So you are telling me that a guy who showed up to camp out of shape and then had his knee scoped, is going to somehow completely take the job away from the guy who is totally healthy, has more talent and has actually looked pretty good behind a patchwork offensive line?

He showed up out of shape, because he needed the knee scoped.

And we know Miller has more talent than Moreno? Moreno was a first round pick (12 overall), Miller was a 4th round pick. I'm not trying to trash Miller here, and I don't dislike his skillset, but looking good in training camp practices is pretty irrelevant for a guy like Miller. Most of the practices are non-contact drills and that plays right into his strengths since he has nice speed but no tackle breaking ability.

Yes I think he is. Moreno is a better pass blocker and he seems to be tougher, but that's about it. That would likely get him 3rd down work. But how would he have looked in last year's Miami offense?

Yea he was a 1st round pick in the much heralded Josh McDaniels era. Was that a good pick?

It wasn't considered a tremendous reach. He was considered a first round talent out of UGA. He's had much more success in the NFL than Lamar Miller as well - even looking beyond last season's dream scenario of playing in a record breaking offense.

How would he have looked in last season's Miami offense? Don't really know, but my guess is he would have been able to distance himself from Daniel Thomas.

It's tough to look past that but Moreno was looking very much like a bust until Peyton breathed life into that offense. This is only Miller's 3rd year and he's never had the luxury of an effective offense around him. Pretty tough to compare them but I will admit, Miller needs to improve in pass protection to really take off. He is making strides in other areas so its not out of the question.

Moreno had 2,311 total yards and 17 TDs his first two seasons in the league (with no Manning); Miller's had 1,174 total yards and 3 TDs during his first two seasons in the league. Who has looked like more of a bust after two years in the league?

This comparison is totally useless. One guy had 429 carries in that time frame and the other 228.

 

[habsfan]

If you're asking me, I honestly don't know. The Miami backfield is a conundrum. I wouldn't make a bet either way.

This is where I am. I keep looking at these guys and trying to put my "stake in the ground" one way or the other but I keep leaning toward bypassing the whole thing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This comparison is totally useless. One guy had 429 carries in that time frame and the other 228.

It's not useless in the context where it was presented:

- it was stated that Miller was "more talented" than Moreno;

- that was questioned by comparing draft positions and the fact that Moreno has had much more success in the NFL;

- that was "refuted" by a statement that Moreno was a bust until Manning had come around and that Miller had only played two seasons in the NFL (and those were without a great offense);

- so I am showing that Moreno performed better than Miller during his first two seasons in the league and that was without Manning;

It's easy to make a blanket unsubstantiated statement that Player X has more talent - but sometimes there's no real basis behind that statement and objective facts contradict the statement.

Part of the reason Miller had far less carries could have been that his coaching staff didn't see the "talent" and Moreno's staff did - and also because Miller's talent level wasn't enough to separate him from Daniel Thomas in order to earn more carries.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - Moreno is more talented than he gets credit for in the "groupthink" that is FBGs and Miller may not be as talented as some think.

Being a successful RB requires many different skills, and some of them aren't as flashy as others so they don't stand out. Many times people equate "flashiness" with "talent" because its easier to see. Kind of like people are doing in the Zach Stacy v. Tre Mason thread.

Personally I couldn't say who the more talented back truly is, but looking at it as objectively as possible, I'd have to say Moreno is right now.

 

[Touchdown There]

In a start two RB league with a flex, RB30 is the baseline RB, above that would be fantasy worthy.

If you are starting a player every week that ends the year at RB30, your roster is terrible. You can pickup a WR off waivers (any given week) who is being tossed into a WR1 role because of injuries or what not and earn a similar level of production.

 

[JFS171]

This isn't Miller's job to take away.

Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.

He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...

I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.

Let's cool down the chest thumping routine. I never once said I was interested in betting on whether or not Moreno is the starting RB to start the year. I never suggested I was interested in betting period... especially not on the starting RB for the ####ty Dolphins.

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.

 

[Touchdown There]

I dunno the time table on these look-see knee ops, but it isn't very long recovery.

Not a long recovery time to walk normally, but the issue is that Moreno started the offseason late with Denver's SuperBowl run. In his limited off-season he could not do the proper squatting, lunging, running, etc to get into peak physical condition. He arrived in Miami out of shape with a knee issue and THEN had surgery. There is being in shape, then there is being in good shape, then there is being in NFL level peak physical condition. Lamar Miller is in peak condition taking all the reps in camp and learning the offense. Moreno is catfishing the coaches and standing on the sideline.

Even if the coaches believe two players are of the same talent level, they will play the younger one in peak physical condition. Moreno is Lamar Miller insurance, not a Lamar Miller replacement in 2014.

 

[Touchdown There]

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.

No, I do not believe in Lamar Miller. I think he is average, just like Moreno. Neither one of them is a special talent. I am looking at the reality of the situation and you are just promoting the guy you have rostered in dynasty. It cost you ZERO because he is already a sunk cost on your team. Your promotion of Moreno is not actually going to affect who the coaches decide to play on game day.

 

[JFS171]

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.

No, I do not believe in Lamar Miller. I think he is average, just like Moreno. Neither one of them is a special talent. I am looking at the reality of the situation and you are just promoting the guy you have rostered in dynasty. It cost you ZERO because he is already a sunk cost on your team. Your promotion of Moreno is not actually going to affect who the coaches decide to play on game day.

This is actually false. I don't own either one of them on my dynasty team. I owned Moreno last year, but I sold him.

The distiction is that I believe Moreno is average. I believe Lamar Miller sucks.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.

No, I do not believe in Lamar Miller. I think he is average, just like Moreno. Neither one of them is a special talent. I am looking at the reality of the situation and you are just promoting the guy you have rostered in dynasty. It cost you ZERO because he is already a sunk cost on your team. Your promotion of Moreno is not actually going to affect who the coaches decide to play on game day.

This is actually false. I don't own either one of them on my dynasty team. I owned Moreno last year, but I sold him.

The distiction is that I believe Moreno is average. I believe Lamar Miller sucks.

That's funny! This is closer to my thinking too. Moreno, if given a ton of carries will perform. Not great unless Manning is the QB. Miller, if given a lot of carries doesn't do much at all.

 

[purestrength]

Rotoworld not super negative about him in its blurb today.

Moreno starting to look like 'old self'

 

[purestrength]

Sorry for not being able to copy & paste link from my phone.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin believes Knowshon Moreno (knee) is "starting to look like kind of his old self," but is unsure if he'll suit up for Saturday's preseason game against the Bucs.

Moreno was just cleared for contact on Monday, so it's unlikely he's ready for game action. He's trending in the right direction for the Dolphins' regular-season dress rehearsal against the Cowboys on August 23, however. That's a game Moreno can't afford to miss in his battle with Lamar Miller.


Source: Miami Herald