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✍ Knowshon Moreno to season ending IR. (1 Viewer)

JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
Gawain said:
This isn't Miller's job to take away.
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Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.
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He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...
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I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.
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Let's cool down the chest thumping routine. I never once said I was interested in betting on whether or not Moreno is the starting RB to start the year. I never suggested I was interested in betting period... especially not on the starting RB for the ####ty Dolphins.

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.
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JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
JFS171 said:
I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.
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No, I do not believe in Lamar Miller. I think he is average, just like Moreno. Neither one of them is a special talent. I am looking at the reality of the situation and you are just promoting the guy you have rostered in dynasty. It cost you ZERO because he is already a sunk cost on your team. Your promotion of Moreno is not actually going to affect who the coaches decide to play on game day.
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This is actually false. I don't own either one of them on my dynasty team. I owned Moreno last year, but I sold him.

The distiction is that I believe Moreno is average. I believe Lamar Miller sucks.
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Here we are not quite three weeks later... hmm.

 
rickyg said:
Fast forward to this season. Miller has had a solid but unspectacular training camp and preseason. Didn't rip off any huge runs, didn't show much tackle breaking ability. In comes Moreno and BAM, the whole offense looks better. Tannehill said it himself after the game. He loves having Moreno in the backfield.

Again. Read the tea leaves. Miller is average. Moreno will dominate the touches and the goal line carries and be a steal in the 6th or 7th round of fantasy drafts this year.
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Agree. It's crazy to think that people drafting early were getting him as late as in the 10th and 11th. In some leagues you can still probably get him in the 8th based just off how resistant some of the more vocal people have been.

 
forbidden doughnut said:
rickyg said:
Fast forward to this season. Miller has had a solid but unspectacular training camp and preseason. Didn't rip off any huge runs, didn't show much tackle breaking ability. In comes Moreno and BAM, the whole offense looks better. Tannehill said it himself after the game. He loves having Moreno in the backfield.

Again. Read the tea leaves. Miller is average. Moreno will dominate the touches and the goal line carries and be a steal in the 6th or 7th round of fantasy drafts this year.
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Agree. It's crazy to think that people drafting early were getting him as late as in the 10th and 11th. In some leagues you can still probably get him in the 8th based just off how resistant some of the more vocal people have been.
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I got him at 10.10 two hours before his game started in one of my redrafts. Also bought him for $18(fighting the Miller owner) in an auction where Miller went for $23 in a $400 cap.
 
rickyg said:
As much as I'd love to see Lamar miller bust out and become a stud Rb this year I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. He's really just not that good. He has elite straight line speed. In the games I've watched him play he hasn't yet displayed elite ability to make defenders miss or to break tackles. That's a recipe for a role player. A 10 touch kind of Rb. I hope I'm wrong BC I'm saddled with this turd in my dynasty league. But you have to stay objective.

As far as Moreno goes, I don't understand why everyone craps on him all the time. All he has done in Denver I constantly resurrect his career after tough injuries and new coaching regimes who started out having no faith in him and ended up making him the lead back in their offenses.

When he left Denver, everyone said it was manning who made Moreno and he's JAG.

Well, it was a small sample size in preseason , but Moreno came in and in 10 carries absolutely demolished miller in every category in the most important dress rehearsal game for the regular season. He displayed decent speed, lots of power, balance, and gained tough yards. Most of all, he lit a fire under the teams ###. Something miller has yet to do in a dolphins uniform.

Moreno is like the Rodney danger field of RBS. Always producing when healthy, always getting crapped on.

If he stays healthy this year this will not be the platoon many of you think it will be. He will have a better fantasy season than last year. And I'm happy to eat crow if I'm wrong in this. It's just my gut feeling that I have come to after weighing the evidence which is (in addition to what I have stated above):

Bill lazor comes from chip Kelly's system. They rode McCoy like a Thai hooker least year. Lazor has stated already that he prefers to have a lead back that plays most of the snaps. He was gushing about miller this preseason and I'm sure miller will still have a role. But anyone with eyes that saw Morenos performance the other night saw that he is the superior back. And lazor has no dog in this fight. He wants the best back to execute his system.
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rickyg said:
Here's all you really need to know about Lamar miller:

The fins let bush walk in 2013 thinking miller could be his replacement. They fully expected and hoped he would take the bill by the horns, handily outplay Daniel thomas in the preseason and secure the feature Rb role.

He couldn't do it. Let me repeat that: Lamar miller could not impress his coaches enough in the preseason 2013 and beat out DANIEL THOMAS to be given the feature role.

Instead he played himself into an rbbc.

I followed that situation very closely last year. Philbin was disappointed. He wanted miller to step up and take it.

Fast forward to this season. Miller has had a solid but unspectacular training camp and preseason. Didn't rip off any huge runs, didn't show much tackle breaking ability. In comes Moreno and BAM, the whole offense looks better. Tannehill said it himself after the game. He loves having Moreno in the backfield.

Again. Read the tea leaves. Miller is average. Moreno will dominate the touches and the goal line carries and be a steal in the 6th or 7th round of fantasy drafts this year.
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I think these posts are great.

I also can't get over how well Moreno produced last year. He has always been a workmanlike pro.

I did not even draft Miller to go with Moreno. It might take a few games but I think Moreno will emerge, and basically add the gamble that Lazor's offense will hit which would mean great things.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I also can't get over how well Moreno produced last year. He has always been a workmanlike pro.I did not even draft Miller to go with Moreno. It might take a few games but I think Moreno will emerge, and basically add the gamble that Lazor's offense will hit which would mean great things.
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I can. Dude was facing nickel and dime defenses all of last year. And I was an owner last year, so I'm not bitter. I really want to diagnose this situation correctly, but I just don't have a feel for it. Hell, even last year, I just took a bet out against Ball by selecting both Hillman and Moreno in all my drafts/auctions. But Moreno/Miller is a much more expensive combo with a less appealing outcome, although if the offense works it will still be nice to own the RB1. Just not as nice as in Philly.

The way I see it, Miller is clearly more athletic, but seems to be missing something based on his inability to separate from Thomas last year (vision? lateral moves?). Or maybe the coaching staff was just inept. Can't rule that out. Either way, my confidence in Miller is very low. Moreno on the other hand is a known commodity. Like many other NFL RBs, he does pretty well running behind a good line against nickel and dime packages, but he's not going to break many big plays. He's also proven to be less than durable despite a mostly healthy year last year. He is known for being well rounded, but I recall seeing some stats that showed Miller was actually just as good if not better at pass protection last year. Granted Miller's sample was smaller due to the timeshare. I highly doubt Miller can catch as well as Moreno, but I have seen no information on this aspect of his game.

This really might be a timeshare which would render both guys losing propositions as anything more than a bye week filler. The aggregate numbers might turn out ok, but scoring volatility would be very high. Things usually shake out with a winner in these situations, but I don't think anyone can make a strong case for either guy.

 
Moreno will end up as the lead RB under Bill Lazor. As mentioned, he's a superior blocker and pass catcher than Miller. The Dolphins had a questionable o-line before losing Pouncey. If they want Tannehill to have to to throw they better have decent pass protection.

 
Got Moreno in the 8th tonight in a 12 teamer, 12 picks after Miller...He's my RB4/5, pretty happy with that and I guess Im on board!

 
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All local papers are now saying that "it's clear" that Moreno is the lead back and miller is the cop. I would link but hard to do from my cell phone.

 
I don't watch much of Miami to know their strengths. If you own Moreno, Is the play here to think about this as an upgrade to your bench flyers, or seek out some value from the Miller owner in a trade?

 
My bet is Moreno turns out to be a solid flex play or Rb 2 all season long. He will once again be a steal in drafts.

 
Said before and I'll say it again ... This guy is one of the best RB in the NFL period.

130 rushing yards and a TD on this crap team with this crap Oline

 
He looked amazing today!!! As a Dolphins die hard...could not be happier. And BTW...Miller also had a nice game. That fumble was a tough break as the Pat's defender put his hat right on the ball.

Miami fans should be very excited as this came against a solid run defense.

 
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Moreno is running with great vision, decisively cutting, and with balance, power, determination and confidence. He had one run up the middle where he made a series of 2-3 close, back and forth, zig zag cuts where I thought I hadn't seen him run with that kind of feet quickness before.

He is on a one year prove it contract so may be motivated that way, and also may be running angry, and motivated to show that he isn't just a product of Manning. If he can string together more games like this, it will help dispel that notion. He needs to stay healthy, which he had trouble with at times in Denver.

It seems like he has been in the league a while, but he is just 27. It looks like the overweight criticism is in the rear view mirror, and he is now positioned to succeed this year. MIA upgraded the OL with Albert and the first round RT James, new OC Lazor hales from PHI (ran the ball the most, with BUF) and Tannehill was sacked the most among QBs in 2013, and Moreno is great in the passing game, blocking and receiving.

 
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Nothing like the regular season games shutting up the naysayers and ending arguments.

Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain should have been able to read the writing in the wall after preseason game 3. Moreno looked great and sparked the offense when he came in. They signed him to be the starter before his knee issue. Miller never did enough to seize the feature back role.

To be fair, miller looked very good in his own right today against a good defense. But Moreno looked mean and ran hard...a little marshawn to his game now in his older years. Running with power, vision, moving the pile. Really nice to watch considering his early career struggles. He has a newfound confidence and swagger about him. He's a good back. A better one than miller.

Moreno should be locked and loaded in his owners flex spots for the remainder of the season giving rb1 upside. Freaking sweet!

 
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Looks just like he did last year. The guy continues to be underrated. He's got the biggest heart of any running back I've seen in a long time. Congrats to everyone who drafted him. I think you are going to be very happy with him this year.

 
Out of shape. Product of the Manning offense. Not even the starter.

Funny that a whole lotta guys are no where to be found today in here.

 
Todem said:
If Moreno stays healthy....as Dolphins fan I will be thrilled to have this RBBC. Both backs do different things well.

Miller has been running tougher this pre-season...lowering is shoulder and showing he wants it. Moreno did look...well like Moreno. Tough runner, solid pass protect. A worker.

Miller will be a HR hitter and Moreno the grinder. It's exactly what the Fins want. I don't think either back will be a "steal" if both are healthy all year. It will be a pretty clear RBBC and a split situation. Fantasy owners thinking now Moreno will be that workhorse will be hugely disappointed.

Only an injury will cause either back to be the "guy"
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:rolleyes:

 
rickyg said:
Nothing like the regular season games shutting up the naysayers and ending arguments.

Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain should have been able to read the writing in the wall after preseason game 3. Moreno looked great and sparked the offense when he came in. They signed him to be the starter before his knee issue. Miller never did enough to seize the feature back role.

To be fair, miller looked very good in his own right today against a good defense. But Moreno looked mean and ran hard...a little marshawn to his game now in his older years. Running with power, vision, moving the pile. Really nice to watch considering his early career struggles. He has a newfound confidence and swagger about him. He's a good back. A better one than miller.

Moreno should be locked and loaded in his owners flex spots for the remainder of the season giving rb1 upside. Freaking sweet!
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I agree 100% Moreno looked fantastic. But to be honest....beat writers down here in the summer thought he might get cut because of how he showed up for mini camps and then the knee injury.

Heck of a turnaround.

Now he just needs to stay healthy all year as both he and Miller are looking like a formidable one two punch at RB.

 
TheFanatic said:
Out of shape. Product of the Manning offense. Not even the starter.

Funny that a whole lotta guys are no where to be found today in here.
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Hey I was happy when he was signed....then he had a very curious start with being fat, out of shape, struggling badly...then the knee...it was not looking good at all. Many in the sports media here were very concerned he might not even make the team. He got a one year 3MM contract. So the guy is running hard...and angry!

I live down here. So I try to post insight from the beat writers down here for everyone on the board.

 
Moreno not only ran hard, his passion on the sidelines brings something that seems to be missing from Miller. I drafted Miller last year and followed him intently. Although I didn't see many Miami games last year, I don't recall Lamar getting all jacked up over a good run/play like Moreno did consistently yesterday.

Also, I missed the national anthem. Did Moreno cry that ridiculously amount of tears during the song?

 
JFS171 said:
JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
Gawain said:
This isn't Miller's job to take away.
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Regardless of your opinion, Lamar Miller is the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins.
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He was last year too, and we saw how that panned out. The Lamar Miller fever was approaching epidemic proportions... and we saw how that panned out. Knowshon was supposed to be kicked to the curb in favor of the new 2nd round rookie in Denver... and we saw how that panned out.If Miami was so happy with Miller as their starting RB, why go and sign Moreno in the first place? Even if he was relatively cheap, lord knows they have other holes to fill on that roster.

Miller is a tease - he's Felix Jones redux. He'll look great in shorts, and not so hot when the pads come on. Moreno will be the guy here...
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I will take that action. If you feel confident in a wager pm me. We can set up escrow through LeagueSafe.Btw, Moreno is not even practicing. He is standing around in full pads watching the team practice. It is more likely Moreno is cut than him being a viable fantasy contributor this year.
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Let's cool down the chest thumping routine. I never once said I was interested in betting on whether or not Moreno is the starting RB to start the year. I never suggested I was interested in betting period... especially not on the starting RB for the ####ty Dolphins.

I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.
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JFS171 said:
Touchdown There said:
JFS171 said:
I don't believe in Lamar Miller. You do, apparently. My bet (as in the guy I would choose to roster on my teams in leagues where money is on the line -- not on an internet message board) is that Moreno proves more valuable.
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No, I do not believe in Lamar Miller. I think he is average, just like Moreno. Neither one of them is a special talent. I am looking at the reality of the situation and you are just promoting the guy you have rostered in dynasty. It cost you ZERO because he is already a sunk cost on your team. Your promotion of Moreno is not actually going to affect who the coaches decide to play on game day.
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This is actually false. I don't own either one of them on my dynasty team. I owned Moreno last year, but I sold him.

The distiction is that I believe Moreno is average. I believe Lamar Miller sucks.
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Here we are not quite three weeks later... hmm.
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:popcorn:

 
I was wrong.....simple as that. I will leave it at that fella's.

I am a stand up poster around here. When I am right...I am right. When I am wrong...I don't hide under a rock. I own up.

I was wrong.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Todem said:
He looked amazing today!!! As a Dolphins die hard...could not be happier. And BTW...Miller also had a nice game. That fumble was a tough break as the Pat's defender put his hat right on the ball.

Miami fans should be very excited as this came against a solid run defense.
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losing Ellerbe is a blow though.

 
It's funny how I seen all the experts and some of you Football guys die hards talking about Moreno as a rb 4/5 and now after he blows it up everyone is back on the bandwagon. Seems to me everyone jumped off bandwagon when he left den because everyone thought it was only Den system, pmanning , oline, use in the passing game, etc that made Moreno look good. I drafted him as my rb3 behind Mccoy and Ellington and I love Moreno at only 27 looked solid as heck basically won that game for MIAMI.

 
Todem said:
I was wrong.....simple as that. I will leave it at that fella's.

I am a stand up poster around here. When I am right...I am right. When I am wrong...I don't hide under a rock. I own up.

I was wrong.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:IBTL: :thanks:

 
There was a good segment on NFL Matchup (recommended, in general - on Sat. about 5 AM and Sun about 1 AM) in which Hoge noted the spread offense is usually associated with passing, but Chip Kelly (OC Lazor came from PHI) uses it to run the ball more effectively by thinning the box, one reason his system/scheme/offensive concepts have translated to the NFL from Oregon so well. Teams usually face 7 and sometimes 8 defenders in the box, but on some plays there were only 5, because MIA had multiple WRs on both sides of the formation.

 
Really sucks. But you gotta hold onto him. He will slide rt back into a productive role when he comes back. And he will have fresh legs.

 
Sucks......we need everyone health to have any chance at anything.

Tannehill was abysmal BTW.....guy has zero pocket presence. I am really losing my patience with him. Had Wallace for a sure fire TD and under threw him.....frustrating.

Then Hartline drops a sure fire long TD (even though the game was already decided). I want to see Landry get a lot more PT.

 
Todem said:
I was wrong.....simple as that. I will leave it at that fella's.

I am a stand up poster around here. When I am right...I am right. When I am wrong...I don't hide under a rock. I own up.

I was wrong.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You were not wrong. Nearly no one started Moreno in week 1. No he is out with a dislocated elbow. Wasted draft pick in fantasy football.

 
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