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it's a 16-team league, highly competitive. the short bench is a royal pain but makes for a very active WW and trades.
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✍ Knowshon Moreno to season ending IR. (1 Viewer)
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it's a 16-team league, highly competitive. the short bench is a royal pain but makes for a very active WW and trades.
Unless you are in a league with extremely short benches or where Rb depth is deemphasized I would hold into Moreno for dear life.
I lost moreno, Mathews, and Ingram in week 2. I'm holding ALL 3. In my league, if I were to drop one of them they be scooped up immediately.
RBS are in high demand. Just wait it out.
I lost moreno, Mathews, and Ingram in week 2. I'm holding ALL 3. In my league, if I were to drop one of them they be scooped up immediately.
RBS are in high demand. Just wait it out.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Yes, just wait it out. Then you can have the second string RB on a bottom third NFL team.
Lamar Miller rushed 15 times for 108 yards and caught 4-of-5 targets for 24 yards in the Dolphins' Week 3 loss to Kansas City.
Sunday's playcalling performance by Fins OC Bill Lazor was very disappointing. While Miller ripped off over seven yards per carry, Ryan Tannehill was head-scratchingly allowed to attempt 43 passes despite almost complete ineffectiveness. Tannehill averaged 4.8 yards per pass attempt. Lazor has a run-devoted background, so look for him to get this ratio corrected when the Dolphins take on the Raiders in London next week. As long as Knowshon Moreno is out -- and he's expected to miss at least three more games -- Miller will offer upside as a weekly RB2. Miller is now averaging 5.76 yards per carry on the season. Sep 21 - 8:21 PM
Gvindy
Footballguy
For me the Lazor scheme is very enticing and he is going to want to keep both guys fresh as possible. It'll probably be a 50/50 split when he comes back, but I like his chances and how he looked in the first game. Perhaps he'll have "fresh legs" and have a nice stretch from week 6 on.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
He will have fresh legs, but I am betting he is out longer than week 6, more likely week 8-10 for his return. Lamar Miller will be established by that point in time.
Gvindy
Footballguy
I realize athletes tend to be more optimistic about their return. But if it is week 6, thats only 3 more weeks, well worth the wait to see(bench space available of course). Miller is only getting more reps because Moreno's out. It'll be back to a split.
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cstu
Footballguy
RB's get hurt a lot so I wouldn't drop Moreno even if I thought Miller was going to have a stranglehold on the starting job.
Then again, the Dolphins schedule is extremely rough after the Jags game and I'm not sure I'd want to start any Dolphins RB.
agent orange
Footballguy
Yes, the ideal time to use him would be in weeks 6-8 (vs. GB/CHI/JAX). Is there any more clarity on whether or not he'll be back by week 6?
VikingFrog
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10/1/14, 10:30 AM
so not next week then? RT @AbramsonPBP Knowshon Moreno just told me he's still about four weeks away from returning.
Not good for those stashing him.
10/1/14, 10:30 AM
so not next week then? RT @AbramsonPBP Knowshon Moreno just told me he's still about four weeks away from returning.
Not good for those stashing him.
there was another story that suggested he was trolling the media guy because he specifically told them not to ask about a timetable. No link right now
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Either way. Lamar miller has been fairly productive since Knowshown left.
I'd still want to hold, but it's not guaranteed he just comes back and steps into the starter role because of his game 1 performance.
I'd still want to hold, but it's not guaranteed he just comes back and steps into the starter role because of his game 1 performance.
jurb26
Footballguy
People continually ignore this. Miller is the 5 best RB in the league based on DVOA rankings. He's very productive.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
People may be thinking of Vereen and Andre Brown last year, but it's different. Vereen was coming back to a passing game riddled with injuries and a starter RB whose HC had lost faith in him, Andre Brown was coming back to a depleted RB corps.
Lamar is continuing to look great, and now LaMichael James will start to get some play. Also that opener vs NE is starting to look like an anomaly, NE can be run on and MIA has not had another game where they managed to be so run heavy. Tannehill has also slipped.
lmj is on the practice squad as of right now
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
So much kool-aid drinking by the Moreno cult. Lacy dislocated an elbow on Sept 14th. The Packers game is Oct 12th. That is less than a month recovery time. Moreno will be lucky to get back by Oct 26th, week 8 vs the Jags.
He will also be in a large brace and that will make ball security a major issue. Expect limited carries for at least 2 weeks when he is back in the lineup. By that time Lamar Miller will be established, so unless he goes down with injury, Moreno will not be fantasy worthy.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
another 4 weeks..then what, two games back and another 2-3 weeks?no thanks. he's not LaDanian Tomlinson or Emmitt Smith..
he's a decent player , mired in a RBBC situation alongside a guy who has been playing well of late ( Miller)..
he's a decent player , mired in a RBBC situation alongside a guy who has been playing well of late ( Miller)..
bigbrownbag
Footballguy
Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers? Know any stocks under $5 a share that might go boom over the next year or so?
adam220891
Footballguy
ya'll crazy
moreno gonna roll in two weeks
CHOOOOO CHOOOOOO
moreno gonna roll in two weeks
CHOOOOO CHOOOOOO
No dog in this fight, but Lamar Miller has a history of being pretty average. A few good games won't change my mind.
There must be a reason a fat, out of shape Moreno was able to beat him out.
I'm guessing they are both used quite a bit moving forward, pushing both to RB2/flex territory, but Knowshon will likely take more snaps bc he's superior in the passing game.
There must be a reason a fat, out of shape Moreno was able to beat him out.
I'm guessing they are both used quite a bit moving forward, pushing both to RB2/flex territory, but Knowshon will likely take more snaps bc he's superior in the passing game.
jurb26
Footballguy
Actually Miller doesn't have a history of being average and he wasn't beat out by Moreno. So... I guess we start over?
adam220891
Footballguy
Miller should've been the sole feature back last year and he couldn't even stand out amongst his plodder competition.
Moreno came out and stole his thunder entirely his first debut in the pre-season. All talk was about Moreno after week 1. Not only did he play better, he brought an energy to the team that did not go unnoticed by his teammates or fans.
Moreno will come back with fresh legs and roll. Not saying Miller is removed from the gameplan, but Moreno will be the #1. Book it.
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lamar miller avgd 4 ypc last year. Thats pretty avg. He didnt beat out moreno either. Moreno had 24.carries 1st game and miller had 11. When moreno comes back he will also likely be the goal line back.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, 4 yds per carry behind an injury/drama riddled oline that was one of the worst in the NFL. The other RBs on that team managed 3.7, 3.5 and 2.1. Miller was the starter even when Moreno was healthy. Moreno got more carries but never moved above him on the depth chart. Mia stated they would ride the hot hand. Moreno was the hot hand. Miller was still the starter.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
That week one 24/134/1 while splitting carries with Miller really stands out. It seems like more than a hot hand, imo. Miller hasn't had 24 carries in any game, with or without Moreno.
But it's hard to imagine Moreno playing right after the bye. Eiffert's dislocated elbow (a week before Moreno's) put him on short term IR (out until week 10). Granted, Moreno's may have been less severe, but returning to the field after only 4 weeks sounds overly optimistic. He just got the cast off.
But it's hard to imagine Moreno playing right after the bye. Eiffert's dislocated elbow (a week before Moreno's) put him on short term IR (out until week 10). Granted, Moreno's may have been less severe, but returning to the field after only 4 weeks sounds overly optimistic. He just got the cast off.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Weak response. The lottery is a moron tax. Don't buy any stocks right now. You will want to pick yourself up some gold, silver and bitcoin.
Eh, Miller played pretty well last year so I'll give you that.
But, out carried in week one 24-12 -- call it hot hand, call it what you will, but he was definitely not the lead dog to start the year. That was after a Moreno injury and coming into camp out of shape.
Just not buying Miller as more than a low end RB2/Flex with Moreno back. Not really buying Moreno any higher either, but those thinking Miller continues at this pace will likely be sorely disappointed.
Long term, I do like Miller. He's bulked up and he's only 23.
NREC34
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I mean if we want to cherry pick I can very easily right now state that Miller has two seasons over a 5.0 ypc.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
The oline was in shambles and Philbin is a moron. Miller's ypc looks even better when you realize that.ldizzle said:
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Miller looks better than last year, as he should with the improved o-line. The questions for fantasy purposes are:
1.) When is Moreno really returning, and
2.) Which back will be more successful when Moreno is back.
I'll have to go back through the thread to catch up, but I'd like to hear from anyone who has analyzed all the Dolphins carries. Why was Moreno more successful in week 1, and why didn't Miller have that level of success in the three weeks Moreno has been out.
1.) When is Moreno really returning, and
2.) Which back will be more successful when Moreno is back.
I'll have to go back through the thread to catch up, but I'd like to hear from anyone who has analyzed all the Dolphins carries. Why was Moreno more successful in week 1, and why didn't Miller have that level of success in the three weeks Moreno has been out.
My thought is: if miller can look this good with this offense, how much better will moreno be? I think week 1 gave us only a small taste of that answer. Moreno will be a beast when he returns. Not saying he becomes a feature back. But I can see a 60/40 split in his favor regardless of whether or not he is the starter.
Millers success only makes me more bullish about morenos potential when he returns.
Moreno is a better all around back and has more power. He'll get lots of GL love as well.
Miller will be the loser in the equation when Moreno returns.
Millers success only makes me more bullish about morenos potential when he returns.
Moreno is a better all around back and has more power. He'll get lots of GL love as well.
Miller will be the loser in the equation when Moreno returns.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Just asking to pump the brakes a little on Moreno's newly acquired "sure thing" status. Look at his career to date, look at his game-to-game from last season. He put up a few eggs in 2013, and a lot of guys can look great running out the clock with a 4-TD lead.
Miller's played 3 games, played well, and Moreno is no lock. That's all.
If they can both get up around that 12 touch per game mark, I think they could both be valuable. Might come down to who gets goal line touches and passing downs.
Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm guessing it's Miller 75% the first week Moreno is back, then close to 50/50, or maybe even the dreaded hot hand approach.
Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm guessing it's Miller 75% the first week Moreno is back, then close to 50/50, or maybe even the dreaded hot hand approach.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
adam220891
Footballguy
I did some reading on the fins forum after weeks 1 and 2 and those folks seemed pumped with Moreno's energy and performance. It extended beyond his good stats, The general consensus was Miller is JAG.
Moreno is better, plain and simple. He's going to be rested and in good health, ready to roll. I don't care if Miller touches the ball a dozen times. Moreno will get just as many touches and the goal-line carries, and he'll make the most of them.
Not terrible to be a Miller owner, and those guys did get a few weeks with their guy being the feature back, but Moreno owners should be excited to get their guy back.
Moreno is better, plain and simple. He's going to be rested and in good health, ready to roll. I don't care if Miller touches the ball a dozen times. Moreno will get just as many touches and the goal-line carries, and he'll make the most of them.
Not terrible to be a Miller owner, and those guys did get a few weeks with their guy being the feature back, but Moreno owners should be excited to get their guy back.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
May come back sooner than expected. Can't say we weren't warned...
Anybody trade for him after seeing that story?
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TartanLion
Footballguy
I'm going to try and trade Josh Gordon for him. Im loaded at WR, screwed at RB and the Moreno owner is the reverse i.e. loaded at RB and screwed at WR. Not holding out much hope though.
steveski
Footballguy
It's worth a shot, but you'd probably have better luck trading Gordon to another team that is in pretty good WR shape. Nobody that needs a WR really badly is going to want a guy that he can't use until Week 12 at the earliest.
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