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✦✦✦ Official 2015 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread &#10 (1 Viewer)

Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
Totally agree. Bring the kitchen sink and try to get to him. At least gives you a chance. Playing to contain him and not give up the big play is to die by 1000 paper cuts. Big knock against LeBeau that he never figured that out. That said, Steelers have next to no chance in this game: 45-31 evil empire, and I won't be surprised if they put up 50.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
Totally agree. Bring the kitchen sink and try to get to him. At least gives you a chance. Playing to contain him and not give up the big play is to die by 1000 paper cuts. Big knock against LeBeau that he never figured that out. That said, Steelers have next to no chance in this game: 45-31 evil empire, and I won't be surprised if they put up 50.
Yeah, if you're going on the road to the defending champs to open the season, and you're dealing with as many missing pieces as PIT is, you're playing with house money. Your make or break games come much later on. Here, just adopt an aggressive gameplan on both sides of the ball, and hope the dice roll your way. If you get rolled, so what?

 
At least this means good things for the passing game plan on opening night for those of us invested there.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
 
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Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
Agreed. That's why so few teams are able to beat him. He's too quick to hit the hot read and will kill you if you blitz him too much. You have to be able to get to his feet and make him feel uncomfortable without losing coverage players to blitzes.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
Agreed. That's why so few teams are able to beat him. He's too quick to hit the hot read and will kill you if you blitz him too much. You have to be able to get to his feet and make him feel uncomfortable without losing coverage players to blitzes.
This defense is not doing that unless several of their pass rushers make a quantum leap virtually overnight and/or James Harrison suddenly finds the Fountain of Ute.

 
Agreed that they probably won't go on an all out attack vs Brady, since that's a pretty good way to get killed by him. Of course, having a terrible secondary and LB's that couldn't come within 20 yards of covering Charles Clay and asking them to play vanilla is probably an even worse bet. At least with aggression, there's a chance you rattle him, force a mistake, or knock him out. A slim chance, but that's still better than the no chance the alternative gives. This just isn't a team designed to stay in the ballpark with NE until the offense is back on the field and there's a chance to win a shootout.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
Agreed. That's why so few teams are able to beat him. He's too quick to hit the hot read and will kill you if you blitz him too much. You have to be able to get to his feet and make him feel uncomfortable without losing coverage players to blitzes.
This defense is not doing that unless several of their pass rushers make a quantum leap virtually overnight and/or James Harrison suddenly finds the Fountain of Ute.
:shrug: Didn't say this D just stated how Brady turns into Tommy No Balls when D lineman are able to consistently bring pressure. As a Steeler fan living in the Boston area I get the pleasure to see them every week. a

Luckily the Steelers get the Patriots week 1 before the Patriots offense gels. Unfortunately the defense of the Steelers is going to take time to click.

Hopefully Brady is overhyped taking the field and makes mistakes.

But I'm thinking its 40-24 Patriots

:sadbanana:

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
Agreed. That's why so few teams are able to beat him. He's too quick to hit the hot read and will kill you if you blitz him too much. You have to be able to get to his feet and make him feel uncomfortable without losing coverage players to blitzes.
This defense is not doing that unless several of their pass rushers make a quantum leap virtually overnight and/or James Harrison suddenly finds the Fountain of Ute.
:shrug: Didn't say this D just stated how Brady turns into Tommy No Balls when D lineman are able to consistently bring pressure. As a Steeler fan living in the Boston area I get the pleasure to see them every week. a

Luckily the Steelers get the Patriots week 1 before the Patriots offense gels. Unfortunately the defense of the Steelers is going to take time to click.

Hopefully Brady is overhyped taking the field and makes mistakes.

But I'm thinking its 40-24 Patriots

:sadbanana:
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
Maybe Harrison can get to him and knock him out for 4 games. I think I'd almost rather see that than the Steelers win.
As much as I love seeing Brady getting hit I don't want to injure him -- just knock him around a bit to rattle him a little cause Brady does not like getting hit.

I have always thought that the ONLY way to beat Brady is to all out blitz every single play in an effort to disrupt his game. If you can't get to Brady you're going to lose, period. LeBeau never seemed to figure this out. I don't know if Butler has the horses to do it but if he thinks dropping back in coverage is a winning strategy the Steelers have no chance.
I dont think you beat Brady by blitzing all the time . Recipe for disaster . Teams that rough up Brady & win do it for the most part with their D line & getting Brady in 3rd & longs . Hopefully Nrady comes out with too much energy & tries to force things early
If the Steelers DBs give the usual 8-12 yard cushion Brady is going to pick them apart like he always does. The key is to play the DBs up and do selective blitzes and hope you can get to Brady and/or disrupt the receiver routes. You're likely going to give up some big plays but that is the way I would go.

 
Wow that game last night was hideous. I realize that virtually no starters played but it would have been nice if the JV squad had done something positive. Yikes!

I guess at least Coates made a nice catch, Nix blocked a punt and Scobee's strong leg was on display. Aside from that I am glad this horrible preseason is behind us.

The Steelers should be scouring the WW for a defensive lineman or two...

 
Wow that game last night was hideous. I realize that virtually no starters played but it would have been nice if the JV squad had done something positive. Yikes!

I guess at least Coates made a nice catch, Nix blocked a punt and Scobee's strong leg was on display. Aside from that I am glad this horrible preseason is behind us.

The Steelers should be scouring the WW for a defensive lineman or two...
Maybe they could trade an ILB for a DE.

 
Looks like Murphy will be WR5, as we all pretty much predicted, as Phillips was waived. No real surprises so far - Ethan Hemer waived which means that barring a signing from another team's cuts, L.T. Walton is likely going to make the 53. Also just read that supposedly Roosevelt Nix made the 53, which is surprising but a great story. I doubt they're cutting Will Johnson, so that means someone else is being cut from another position that was previously a good bet to make the roster. Jesse James? Chickillo? A safety?

 
Looks like Murphy will be WR5, as we all pretty much predicted, as Phillips was waived. No real surprises so far - Ethan Hemer waived which means that barring a signing from another team's cuts, L.T. Walton is likely going to make the 53. Also just read that supposedly Roosevelt Nix made the 53, which is surprising but a great story. I doubt they're cutting Will Johnson, so that means someone else is being cut from another position that was previously a good bet to make the roster. Jesse James? Chickillo? A safety?
Jesse James is a lock. Chick is likely going to PS.

 
Unofficial list so far:

WR Jarrod West
LB Howard Jones
CB Kevin Fogg
LB LJ Fort
RB Jawon Chisholm
DT Mike Thornton
WR Shakim Phillips
DE Ethan Hemer

I'd think Fogg and Fort make PS. Possibly Hemer and Phillips. Murphy gets to be on the 53 until Bryant comes back, then released, then PS which could spell doom for Phillips. They have a OL the Saints released ready to be added to the PS.That would be about half the PS right there.

 
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Looks like Murphy will be WR5, as we all pretty much predicted, as Phillips was waived. No real surprises so far - Ethan Hemer waived which means that barring a signing from another team's cuts, L.T. Walton is likely going to make the 53. Also just read that supposedly Roosevelt Nix made the 53, which is surprising but a great story. I doubt they're cutting Will Johnson, so that means someone else is being cut from another position that was previously a good bet to make the roster. Jesse James? Chickillo? A safety?
Jesse James is a lock. Chick is likely going to PS.
I was wondering if perhaps they'd use Johnson as the 3rd TE and put James on the practice squad. Super unlikely but I don't know if it's out of the realm of possibility. Having 2 FBs is odd for a team that doesn't really use the FB very often.

 
Chickillo makes the 53 and they cut BW Webb. So they have Allen, Gay, Boykin, Grant, and Blake as the only corners on the roster. Seems unlikely they would want to have only 5 on the roster going into next week.

 
Looks like Murphy will be WR5, as we all pretty much predicted, as Phillips was waived. No real surprises so far - Ethan Hemer waived which means that barring a signing from another team's cuts, L.T. Walton is likely going to make the 53. Also just read that supposedly Roosevelt Nix made the 53, which is surprising but a great story. I doubt they're cutting Will Johnson, so that means someone else is being cut from another position that was previously a good bet to make the roster. Jesse James? Chickillo? A safety?
Jesse James is a lock. Chick is likely going to PS.
I was wondering if perhaps they'd use Johnson as the 3rd TE and put James on the practice squad. Super unlikely but I don't know if it's out of the realm of possibility. Having 2 FBs is odd for a team that doesn't really use the FB very often.
They like nix a lot and blocking a kick/making tackles on kicks helps his case. Suppose as much as fb he could be 3rd rb. Cut Josh Harris and the others.

 
Finally watched (most of) the Bills game. Not seeing it as dire as some. At one point early in the 2nd qtr, the dline was Walton, McCullers and Hemer. If that ever happens in a real game then I'll worry. D backfield is still a concern though, personnel wise and adjusting to cover 2. Front 7 should be pretty solid though. Shazier is a beast.

 
Official now. http://www.steelers.com/news/transactions/article-1/Steelers-reduce-roster-to-53-players-sign-cornerback-Ross-Cockrell/805b9ee2-caaa-4f20-b161-4e36d0811b3a

Pittsburgh released running backs Jawon Chisholm and Josh Harris, defensive linemen Matt Conrath, Ethan Hemer and Mike Thornton, safeties Jordan Dangerfield, Alden Darby and Gerod Holliman, offensive linemen Reese Dismukes, B.J. Finney and Doug Legursky, cornerbacks Kevin Fogg and B.W. Webb, linebackers L.J. Fort, Shayon Green and Howard Jones, and wide receivers Shakim Phillips and Jarrod West.

The Steelers placed offensive linemen Kelvin Palmer and Mitchell Van Dyk on the team’s Waived/Injured List.

Pittsburgh also signed free agent cornerback Ross Cockrellto a one-year contract. The 6-0, 190-pound Duke University product entered the NFL as a fourth-round (109th overall) draft selection of the Buffalo Bills in 2014 and appeared in seven games during his rookie season. He was released by Buffalo last month. Cockrell will wear No. 31.

 
Shocker there is LEgursky. Did not see that coming!

ETA: but it makes sense since the Steelers have to wait until tomorrow to IR Pouncey. Figure sitting LEgursky out there isn't a huge risk. If someone were to swoop him up they could go after another castoff.

 
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3C said:
Shocker there is LEgursky. Did not see that coming!

ETA: but it makes sense since the Steelers have to wait until tomorrow to IR Pouncey. Figure sitting LEgursky out there isn't a huge risk. If someone were to swoop him up they could go after another castoff.
And other options will be available as well.

 
I look for the steelers to win week 1 pretty easily actually. Pats may be 2 and 3 after indy then they will pick up steam. The interesting matchup will be ben vs tom in wildcard round...perhaps played at pitt.

 
I look for the steelers to win week 1 pretty easily actually. Pats may be 2 and 3 after indy then they will pick up steam. The interesting matchup will be ben vs tom in wildcard round...perhaps played at pitt.
???

Pats have to be a double digit favorite.

No Bell = No chance.
Steelers were favored by Vegas before the Brady decision. Haven't checked since.

ETA: think I read the site I hit wrong. Slight underdog I would guess, now a 7 point dog.

 
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I had heard pats went from 3 to 6.5 favs. The o line cant rum block yet, edelman and gronk havent played, lafell will be on PUP, and Amendola and Dobson are meh. Stillers by 10 i think.

 
3C said:
Official now. http://www.steelers.com/news/transactions/article-1/Steelers-reduce-roster-to-53-players-sign-cornerback-Ross-Cockrell/805b9ee2-caaa-4f20-b161-4e36d0811b3a

Pittsburgh released running backs Jawon Chisholm and Josh Harris, defensive linemen Matt Conrath, Ethan Hemer and Mike Thornton, safeties Jordan Dangerfield, Alden Darby and Gerod Holliman, offensive linemen Reese Dismukes, B.J. Finney and Doug Legursky, cornerbacks Kevin Fogg and B.W. Webb, linebackers L.J. Fort, Shayon Green and Howard Jones, and wide receivers Shakim Phillips and Jarrod West.

The Steelers placed offensive linemen Kelvin Palmer and Mitchell Van Dyk on the teams Waived/Injured List.

Pittsburgh also signed free agent cornerback Ross Cockrellto a one-year contract. The 6-0, 190-pound Duke University product entered the NFL as a fourth-round (109th overall) draft selection of the Buffalo Bills in 2014 and appeared in seven games during his rookie season. He was released by Buffalo last month. Cockrell will wear No. 31.
Only two tailbacks and 7 OL (not counting Pouncey) currently healthy on the 53 so you have to imagine there could be moves at those two positions to beef up depth until Bell and Pouncey can return.

 
3C said:
Official now. http://www.steelers.com/news/transactions/article-1/Steelers-reduce-roster-to-53-players-sign-cornerback-Ross-Cockrell/805b9ee2-caaa-4f20-b161-4e36d0811b3a

Pittsburgh released running backs Jawon Chisholm and Josh Harris, defensive linemen Matt Conrath, Ethan Hemer and Mike Thornton, safeties Jordan Dangerfield, Alden Darby and Gerod Holliman, offensive linemen Reese Dismukes, B.J. Finney and Doug Legursky, cornerbacks Kevin Fogg and B.W. Webb, linebackers L.J. Fort, Shayon Green and Howard Jones, and wide receivers Shakim Phillips and Jarrod West.

The Steelers placed offensive linemen Kelvin Palmer and Mitchell Van Dyk on the teams Waived/Injured List.

Pittsburgh also signed free agent cornerback Ross Cockrellto a one-year contract. The 6-0, 190-pound Duke University product entered the NFL as a fourth-round (109th overall) draft selection of the Buffalo Bills in 2014 and appeared in seven games during his rookie season. He was released by Buffalo last month. Cockrell will wear No. 31.
Only two tailbacks and 7 OL (not counting Pouncey) currently healthy on the 53 so you have to imagine there could be moves at those two positions to beef up depth until Bell and Pouncey can return.
Like someone said, here's the 53 as written in pencil. At least 1 change coming for sure, probably more. Opening 2 weeks, rb's are Williams and Archer. Don't know about you but I couldn't imagine Archer as a ball carrier for more than a couple plays. And Williams wouldn't be asked to carry that much of a load (it is only 2 games though). Not sure they want Johnson or Nix getting carries. Something has to give, right? Maybe they'll go into game 1 with that backfield and pick up some vet insurance after.

 
Brady rarely loses to the Steelers. Bell, Pouncey and Bryant are out. Our safeties are among the worst in the league and corners aren't all that much better. The Pats are coming off a SB win and an emotional court decision in their favor. Anyone picking the Steelers are either fishing, is schtick, or are blindly loyal homers. Brady is gonna chew up and spit out our defense like gristly steak. Bet the Pats (-7) and whatever the over is.

 
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I think it won't be as high scoring as the last blowout and expect it to be much closer. The hard part for the Steelers will be trying to match the emotional intensity of the Pats.

 
Brady rarely loses to the Steelers. Bell, Pouncey and Bryant are out. Our safeties are among the worst in the league and corners aren't all that much better. The Pats are coming off a SB win and an emotional court decision in their favor. Anyone picking the Steelers are either fishing, is schtick, or are blindly loyal homers. Brady is gonna chew up and spit out our defense like gristly steak. Bet the Pats (-7) and whatever the over is.
And the Pats defensive backfield is better? I think not. BB can go toe to toe with Brady, and if Bryant was in there I'd lean Steelers. He's not, so I'm not sure which way I would go if I were a betting man. I do know Brady has been a little underwhelming in the preseason. Hopefully that continues.

 
I look for the steelers to win week 1 pretty easily actually. Pats may be 2 and 3 after indy then they will pick up steam. The interesting matchup will be ben vs tom in wildcard round...perhaps played at pitt.
???

Pats have to be a double digit favorite.

No Bell = No chance.
I wouldn't say they have no chance but I think it is much more likely the Steelers lose by double digit.

 
This is good and bad. Will Allen will be starting opposite Mitchell. I've had bad feelings about Shamarko all summer.

 
I'll take DeAngelo Williams and Antonio Brown over Brandon Bolden and Aaron Dobson 10 times out of 10.

It's not even clear at this point if Edelman will play so Brady may be down to one weapon in Gronk. A good weapon to have, but having just one bullet in your gun does not justify the spread.

The Pats will be trying to win with their front 7 on defense this year. The secondary has a pro bowl safety and an unproven superbowl hero in Butler; the rest of the secondary is meh.

I think Brown will school Butler and Pats fans will go into panic mode....pretty standard fare for this time of year.

Just don't let Dobson beat you deep (shouldn't be hard) and blanket Gronk.

Stihlers 31

Pats 24

 
This is good and bad. Will Allen will be starting opposite Mitchell. I've had bad feelings about Shamarko all summer.
Will Allen is a decent safety, I've always thought he was underrated. I have no problem with him starting.

It is disappointing that Sharmko can't beat him out though.

 
This is good and bad. Will Allen will be starting opposite Mitchell. I've had bad feelings about Shamarko all summer.
Will Allen is a decent safety, I've always thought he was underrated. I have no problem with him starting.

It is disappointing that Sharmko can't beat him out though.
Yep, that's my good and bad. Good that he's starting since he knows the cover 2 well and ha splayed well, bad that Shamarko can't beat him out.

 

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