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✦✦✦Official 2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

jurb26 said:
Gilbert is the only CB on par with Barr as far as talent IMO. Barr is an impact player, top 10. He's raw and needs coaching/development. He's only played LB for 1 year. I think Pitt would love to mold him into the type of player they want.
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He's played LB for 2 years but of course that still means he's raw. Some people seem to love him (Bucky Brooks thinks he'll be better than Khalil Mack) but taking a guy that high with a lot of it based on his potential worries me. I also dont like that one of his biggest weaknesses is his physicality/strength and his pass rushing ability is totally reliant on his speed. If they take him I wont hate it because he could end up being very good, but Id prefer the CB or WR who should be available there and poses less risk IMO and more of an immediate impact.

His pass rushing skills may be overrated.

Weaknesses push him to later in the 1st round

 
Kenny Powers said:
jurb26 said:
Gilbert is the only CB on par with Barr as far as talent IMO. Barr is an impact player, top 10. He's raw and needs coaching/development. He's only played LB for 1 year. I think Pitt would love to mold him into the type of player they want.
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He's played LB for 2 years but of course that still means he's raw. Some people seem to love him (Bucky Brooks thinks he'll be better than Khalil Mack) but taking a guy that high with a lot of it based on his potential worries me. I also dont like that one of his biggest weaknesses is his physicality/strength and his pass rushing ability is totally reliant on his speed. If they take him I wont hate it because he could end up being very good, but Id prefer the CB or WR who should be available there and poses less risk IMO and more of an immediate impact.

His pass rushing skills may be overrated.

Weaknesses push him to later in the 1st round
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All valid concerns. I'm in the camp that loves him though and have been for a while. I think he's a top 10 player in the class. Some agree with me, some don't. I guess all that matters is if the Steelers do. If they have him rated as highly as I do I don't think they pass on him despite the need at CB. Barring Gilbert is gone of course.
 
jurb26 said:
Kenny Powers said:
jurb26 said:
Gilbert is the only CB on par with Barr as far as talent IMO. Barr is an impact player, top 10. He's raw and needs coaching/development. He's only played LB for 1 year. I think Pitt would love to mold him into the type of player they want.
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He's played LB for 2 years but of course that still means he's raw. Some people seem to love him (Bucky Brooks thinks he'll be better than Khalil Mack) but taking a guy that high with a lot of it based on his potential worries me. I also dont like that one of his biggest weaknesses is his physicality/strength and his pass rushing ability is totally reliant on his speed. If they take him I wont hate it because he could end up being very good, but Id prefer the CB or WR who should be available there and poses less risk IMO and more of an immediate impact.

His pass rushing skills may be overrated.

Weaknesses push him to later in the 1st round
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All valid concerns. I'm in the camp that loves him though and have been for a while. I think he's a top 10 player in the class. Some agree with me, some don't. I guess all that matters is if the Steelers do. If they have him rated as highly as I do I don't think they pass on him despite the need at CB. Barring Gilbert is gone of course.
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What if he's available and some other team really wants him and gives a nice offer to swap spots? That's what I'd want to happen. Swap spots, get an extra pick and still get a Fuller or Roby. Dreaming, don't wake me.

 
3C said:
Signs certainly point to Fuller...which of course means it won't be Fuller.
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I dont get this line of thought. Its more likely he's there at 15 than Gilbert or Dennard it would seem, but maybe your post was tongue in cheek. Probably 2 of the 3 will be there. Maybe even all 3 CBs but I doubt it.

Based on your latter post, why do you want Roby?! I understand trading down based on this draft and the current roster, but Roby is just as much on my DO NOT DRAFT list as Benjamin is in the 1st

 
Kenny Powers said:
3C said:
Signs certainly point to Fuller...which of course means it won't be Fuller.
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I dont get this line of thought. Its more likely he's there at 15 than Gilbert or Dennard it would seem, but maybe your post was tongue in cheek. Probably 2 of the 3 will be there. Maybe even all 3 CBs but I doubt it.

Based on your latter post, why do you want Roby?! I understand trading down based on this draft and the current roster, but Roby is just as much on my DO NOT DRAFT list as Benjamin is in the 1st
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The "of course means" is alluding to the purposeful misinformation that is fed to the media. Such and such is going this way, this guy is a lock for this team. Then when the draft comes it's someone completely different. It was sort of tongue in cheek, not from what I think they should do and who might be available, but from the history of teams purposely trying to mislead other teams through the media.

As far as Roby, I'd prefer a Dennard or Fuller but if the Steelers traded back lets say to the mid 20s and got a late 2nd as well and still got Roby I would be fine with that. Mayock says Roby has more upside but Fuller is a safer pick.

“They’re (Dennard and Fuller) physical. They’re tough. They might not have as much upside as (Ohio State’s Bradley) Roby and the Oklahoma State kid, (Justin) Gilbert. But from my perspective, they’re safer. Trust me, either of them (Fuller or Dennard) fits that (Jets) scheme.”

Mayock explained why he thinks Fuller and Dennard are “safer” picks than Roby or Gilbert.

“Gilbert and Roby are the two most gifted corners (in the draft),” he said. “They’re faster. They have looser hips and slightly better movement skills. To get technical, they both lack eye discipline. I was a defensive back, and it’s the most important thing a d-back can have. You can learn it. You can be taught it. But they both get beat deep too often because they lack the eye discipline. I get concerned and nervous at the next level (with) whether or not they’re going to be more consistent. Most of the GMs have those two rated higher (Gilbert and Roby). Most of the coaches like the other two (Fuller and Dennard).”

So what Roby lacks can be taught/learned and I think Lake is just the man for that.

 
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FWIW (admittedly not much), here are my predictions for the Steelers in 2014

1. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
2. Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame
3. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
4. Carl Bradford, LB, Arizona State
5a. Jerick McKinnon, RB, Georgia Southern
5b. Trey Burton, TE, Florida
6a. Quincy Enunwa, WR, Nebraska
6b. Jemea Thomas, CB/S, Georgia Tech
7. Beau Allen, NT, Wisconsin


Burton is my fun pick. He is undersized (6'2", 225) as a full time NFL tight end but is among the most versatile offensive players in the draft. He played every offensive skill position in college and could literally line up anywhere.

I doubt the Steelers would take him but this is MY draft and I'll blow the 5th round compensatory pick just to see what Todd Haley and Big Ben could dream up with Burton.

 
Godsbrother said:
FWIW (admittedly not much), here are my predictions for the Steelers in 2014

1. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

2. Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame

3. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss

4. Carl Bradford, LB, Arizona State

5a. Jerick McKinnon, RB, Georgia Southern

5b. Trey Burton, TE, Florida

6a. Quincy Enunwa, WR, Nebraska

6b. Jemea Thomas, CB/S, Georgia Tech

7. Beau Allen, NT, Wisconsin

Burton is my fun pick. He is undersized (6'2", 225) as a full time NFL tight end but is among the most versatile offensive players in the draft. He played every offensive skill position in college and could literally line up anywhere.

I doubt the Steelers would take him but this is MY draft and I'll blow the 5th round compensatory pick just to see what Todd Haley and Big Ben could dream up with Burton.
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Love that top 4.

 
3C said:
Would love that but several places have Bradford as a 2nd rounder.
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McKinnon is a physical freak, strong and fast. They brought him in for a visit so it would seem there is some interest. If he can catch the ball he would be very interesting.

 
3C said:
Would love that but several places have Bradford as a 2nd rounder.
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True but rankings for this draft have been all over the place. I've seen him going as high as 2nd and as low as the end of the 4th. Probably wishful thinking on my part but what the heck.

 
Godsbrother said:
3C said:
Would love that but several places have Bradford as a 2nd rounder.
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True but rankings for this draft have been all over the place. I've seen him going as high as 2nd and as low as the end of the 4th. Probably wishful thinking on my part but what the heck.
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Very true, take rankings for what they're worth. He very well could be there. McKinnon...if they took him any chance they convert him to D? He did play some CB and some think that's where teams are thinking of playing him. If he can play CB in college maybe he could be a nickel CB or a S in the NFL. That strength/speed combo is way intriguing.

 
Great news for those hoping for a trade down.

All the buzz about Johnny Football won't make it past Dallas @ 16 means Pittsburgh has the perfect spot for a trade up scenario. Could get crazy if he's still on the board at 15.

Does anyone know who SF would target if they trade up in round 1?

 
Grid71 said:
Great news for those hoping for a trade down.

All the buzz about Johnny Football won't make it past Dallas @ 16 means Pittsburgh has the perfect spot for a trade up scenario. Could get crazy if he's still on the board at 15.

Does anyone know who SF would target if they trade up in round 1?
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Beckham Jr maybe.

 
It would be nice if Manziel was still there at 15 for us to trade down. It would start to become a real possibility of that happening if he falls past MIN at 8 since the only team who would take a QB between 9-14 is TEN as the order is currently set.

Ive also heard Beckham is the guy SF wants, but Id have to think if they were to trade up - which almost seems more likely than not with all the talk and they amount of picks they have - it would be with a team picking ahead of us because despite all the recent talk of us going CB, Beckham could end up being our pick.

 
Grid71 said:
Great news for those hoping for a trade down.

All the buzz about Johnny Football won't make it past Dallas @ 16 means Pittsburgh has the perfect spot for a trade up scenario. Could get crazy if he's still on the board at 15.

Does anyone know who SF would target if they trade up in round 1?
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I was just thinking about that exact thing this morning. Agree 100%. Between that and the Jets being "mortal locks" to draft a speed WR at #17, anyone at the bottom of the draft that wants a shot at a guy like Beckham or Cooks needs to get in front of the Jets. Definitely a chance for a move down tonight.

 
Grid71 said:
Great news for those hoping for a trade down.

All the buzz about Johnny Football won't make it past Dallas @ 16 means Pittsburgh has the perfect spot for a trade up scenario. Could get crazy if he's still on the board at 15.

Does anyone know who SF would target if they trade up in round 1?
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Speedy WR or CB, I would think.

 
Kenny Powers said:
It would be nice if Manziel was still there at 15 for us to trade down. It would start to become a real possibility of that happening if he falls past MIN at 8 since the only team who would take a QB between 9-14 is TEN as the order is currently set.

Ive also heard Beckham is the guy SF wants, but Id have to think if they were to trade up - which almost seems more likely than not with all the talk and they amount of picks they have - it would be with a team picking ahead of us because despite all the recent talk of us going CB, Beckham could end up being our pick.
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And I don't think Tennessee drafts Manziel with the taste of Locker still in their mouths. I think they'd go Bortles if he's there, but I don't think they'd draft Manziel.

 
This thread has been surprisingly quiet this week...Steelers fans not excited for the draft this year? Regardless of who it ends up being, we should be getting a great prospect tonight.

HERE WE GO :towelwave:

 
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Kenny Powers said:
This thread has been surprisingly quiet this week...Steelers fans not excited for the draft this year? Regardless of who it ends up being, we should be getting a great prospect tonight.

HERE WE GO :towelwave:
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I'm finding myself rooting for abtrade down more so than any one specific player. Could change based on who may fall but right now, I'm praying that someone like Philly or San Fran is willing to part with a 2nd in order to move up to 15.

 
Thank god the Browns traded to the Bills because I would have hated to see Sammy Watkins against our secondary.

So far so good for us. All the corners are out there

 
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I thought Bortles going so early may have ####ed us on Manziel being there at 15, but so far so good with only Minny and Titans it would seem to dodge. I thought CLE trading down, then up, was surely because Manziel was their pick. Browns screw us out of Gilbert, but they did good work on the trade down it looks like.

Also thankful we dont have to face both Flash Gordon and Sammy Watkins in the same week twice a year.

 
Kenny Powers said:
I thought Bortles going so early may have ####ed us on Manziel being there at 15, but so far so good with only Minny and Titans it would seem to dodge. I thought CLE trading down, then up, was surely because Manziel was their pick. Browns screw us out of Gilbert, but they did good work on the trade down it looks like.
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Wait you want Manziel for the Steelers? Are you drunk :unsure:

 
hammerva said:
Kenny Powers said:
I thought Bortles going so early may have ####ed us on Manziel being there at 15, but so far so good with only Minny and Titans it would seem to dodge. I thought CLE trading down, then up, was surely because Manziel was their pick. Browns screw us out of Gilbert, but they did good work on the trade down it looks like.
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Wait you want Manziel for the Steelers? Are you drunk :unsure:
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He wants Manziel to be there so someone might trade up to our spot at 15

 
Idiot Boxer said:
hammerva said:
Kenny Powers said:
I thought Bortles going so early may have ####ed us on Manziel being there at 15, but so far so good with only Minny and Titans it would seem to dodge. I thought CLE trading down, then up, was surely because Manziel was their pick. Browns screw us out of Gilbert, but they did good work on the trade down it looks like.
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Wait you want Manziel for the Steelers? Are you drunk :unsure:
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He wants Manziel to be there so someone might trade up to our spot at 15
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This, but I am also approaching drunk

 
Idiot Boxer said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Starting to hope Ebron drops past NYG.

Or trade down.
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Keep yo' mouf shut
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Nice job IB! ha.

I didn't want Ebron or Gilbert for Pittsburgh anyhow. We need a TE who will block and a CB who isn't afraid to tackle. Calling it now...Steelers will run sweeps in the direction of Gilbert hard and heavy.

I'm pulling for Beckham Jr and Fuller to be there. If not, please find a way to trade down.

 
Grid71 said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Starting to hope Ebron drops past NYG.

Or trade down.
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Keep yo' mouf shut
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Nice job IB! ha.

I didn't want Ebron or Gilbert for Pittsburgh anyhow. We need a TE who will block and a CB who isn't afraid to tackle. Calling it now...Steelers will run sweeps in the direction of Gilbert hard and heavy.

I'm pulling for Beckham Jr and Fuller to be there. If not, please find a way to trade down.
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Beckham's too small

 
GIants

St. Louis

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Still have Aaron Donald, Beckham Jr, Fuller and Dennard. Looking very good even if PGH doesn't trade down.

 
Sort of shocked NYG was the team to take Beckham. Figured they were set well enough with Cruz and Randle. They need help in a lot of other areas just like us.

 
Grid71 said:
Kenny Powers said:
jurb26 said:
Idiot Boxer said:
I just get the feeling they've locked in on Fuller.
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SF may trade in front of them for him.
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For Fuller? All Ive read is Beckham is their target.
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I bet SF would still trade up for Cooks. They want speed at WR and Cooks has incredible hands which is rare for speedsters.
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Cooks looks real good. After reading the article I posted here the other day, I almost wish we took him. Ton of heart and character, with the skills to match

 
I think Chicago will take Donald. Decent chance the Rams take a corner now that Beckham is gone. I suspect whichever corner is left will be our pick. Possible trade with SF or whoever might want Manziel still out there, but I am unconvinced that Manziel is in demand. He's too small. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Carr goes before him and wouldn't really be stunned to see Bridgewater go ahead of him too, unless Dallas does something dumb.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Grid71 said:
Kenny Powers said:
jurb26 said:
Idiot Boxer said:
I just get the feeling they've locked in on Fuller.
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SF may trade in front of them for him.
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For Fuller? All Ive read is Beckham is their target.
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I bet SF would still trade up for Cooks. They want speed at WR and Cooks has incredible hands which is rare for speedsters.
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Cooks looks real good. After reading the article I posted here the other day, I almost wish we took him. Ton of heart and character, with the skills to match
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Certainly not out of the question if the Rams don't take him here. Jets may also want to trade up for him. Chance they trade with us.

 
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