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101 Best Songs of 1986 vs 1996: #1 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out - The Smiths / A Long December - Counting Crows (1 Viewer)

I saw The Smashing Pumpkins last night at the Chase Center
with Janes
Momma always said if you can't say anything nice...
but AMA
Were both bands terrible? Did Billy say anything nutty? Does Perry Farrell weight under 120 lbs? Did Jane's play Ted...Just Admit It?
 
I realized pretty early I liked the idea of the Ramones more than I liked the actual band

I was the exact opposite. I hated their following. Still kind of do. But then I heard Ramones Mania in tenth grade and I came to like the band way more than the idea, which was always a nihilist pop group for degenerates.

I love the actual band. Bubble gum goodness with sharp, street-ready lyrics.
 
Going in REVERSE
Yes VERY slow in general and N.S. heavy, Ted lasted for approximately 20 and a half minutes
Perry looked as if he might blow away like a dandelion pappus at any moment
But was very generous and entertaining as an MC
Billy was generally just doing his rock star bit, but an awkward forced banter with James Iha got worse when Billy choked and needed water (to be fair he had to cancel a show just before this) and James had to try to carry the conversation alone :lol:
And they did a nice little acoustic Tonight Tonight together
But they played a lot of newer stuff I don't know, and I don't know that I buy em as an arena headliner but :shrug: there were a bunch of people there
I thought I saw Franz Nicolay in a cast
 
I got lost in my respondings, so no, no one was terrible, but the crowd, I think the old heads like us were few and far between honestly.

And often times WASTED, sadly, lets go GEN X

A number of younglings were there to see something called POPPY


Janes sounded good but Perry can't hit a whole lot of that big stuff
Their show was odd with GNR style strippers
Some sort of statement or other
(no one in the crowd knew the song 'Whores' anyway)

Pumpkins put on a good show but like I said I didn't know most of it. When they did play something like "Bullet.." the crowd wasn't into it so, yeah, old fart is me
Billy's going for the kids, good for him, you show that bully Kim Thayil, whatever he’s up to anyway

I saw SPs at Download fest in 2019 and frankly they kicked *** and that was why we went to this
 
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I realized pretty early I liked the idea of the Ramones more than I liked the actual band

I was the exact opposite. I hated their following. Still kind of do. But then I heard Ramones Mania in tenth grade and I came to like the band way more than the idea, which was always a nihilist pop group for degenerates.

I love the actual band. Bubble gum goodness with sharp, street-ready lyrics.
Yeah, I'm with rock on this one. Funny you mention Ramones Mania. A month or so back, I found a first pressing and paid way too much for it. When the missus asked why I dropped almost $100 on a Ramones record, I went in the basement and pulled out my Ramones Mania cassette, spliced back together at some point in the late 80s. I told her that this tape was my first real exposure to punk rock, and seeing the album in the Rare Arrivals section flooded me with joy and impaired my better judgment.
 
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South Bronx - Boogie Down Productions

BDP’s South Bronx is what passed for a diss track in 1986. Released several months ahead of their killer debut album Criminal Minded, KRS One takes aim at the Brooklyn MC’s who claimed that it was the true birthplace of hip-hop.


Hit Em Up - 2Pac

No one got shot over the BDP/Juice Crew “bridge wars.” Not the case here. Hit Em Up is widely considered the greatest diss track ever, but it’s also just plain ugly and hard to finish given Pac and Biggie.
 
I realized pretty early I liked the idea of the Ramones more than I liked the actual band.
I got worn out on them due to an unusual circumstance. My freshman year of college, my next door neighbor played a compilation album of theirs at least once EVERY SINGLE DAY. And the walls were not exactly great at soundproofing.
 
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Walk Like an Egyptian - The Bangles

The first of two from the Bangles. This was Billboard’s #1 song of the year. I know I’m not the only one who skips to 2:50 in the video just for the Susanna Hoffs side-eye.


Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth - Primitive Radio Gods

At a time when much of alt-rock radio sounded the same, Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth with Money in My Hand was a breath of fresh air. Lots of people must have felt the same, as it hit #1 on the Modern Rock charts. I liked it enough to go buy the album. Let’s just say I immediately knew they would be one-hit wonders.
 
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Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth - Primitive Radio Gods

At a time when much of alt-rock radio sounded the same, Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth with Money in My Hand was a breath of fresh air. Lots of people must have felt the same, as it hit #1 on the Modern Rock charts. I liked it enough to go buy the album. Let’s just say I immediately knew they would be one-hit wonders.

Fun game I like to play, by myself or with others, is "which one hit wonder has the biggest gap of plays between their hit and their next most popular song". "Phonebooth" comes in with an impressive 28,377,343 more plays than "Fading Out" (657,427 plays).

Equally fun game: how much did said band make from Spotify from their hit. PRG got a nice check around $120,000 for Phonebooth. Hopefully they invest it smartly for their later years.
 
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Stuck With You - Huey Lewis & the News

Were Huey Lewis & The News the Hootie and the Blowfish of the mid-80s? Such a strange phenomenon. Their 1986 album Fore! went to #1, sold 3 million copies, and spawned five top-10 singles. Stuck with You was first, followed by the awful Hip To Be Square. Jacob’s Ladder was my favorite of the bunch but wasn’t released until the following January. Cue the American Psycho references.

Stuck on You - Failure

I somehow missed this song in 1996. Maybe they didn’t play it on my local station. Thankfully @plinko (I think???) introduced me to Failure a few years back and now I’m forever in his debt.
 
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Stuck With You - Huey Lewis & the News

Were Huey Lewis & The News the Hootie and the Blowfish of the mid-80s? Such a strange phenomenon. Their 1986 album Fore! went to #1, sold 3 million copies, and spawned five top-10 singles. Stuck with You was first, followed by the awful Hip To Be Square. Jacob’s Ladder was my favorite of the bunch but wasn’t released until the following January. Cue the American Psycho references.

Stuck on You - Failure

I somehow missed this song in 1996. Maybe they didn’t play it on my local station. Thankfully @plinko (I think???) introduced me to Failure a few years back and now I’m forever in his debt.
FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:

As I've said in multiple threads, Fantastic Planet is one of my favorite albums of the '90s. I am going to bring it up again in another thread soon, if you get my drift.

Stuck on You is wonderful, but it may not even be in my top half of songs from Fantastic Planet. But it is part of the absolutely killer run that is the album's final five tracks.
 
Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth - Primitive Radio Gods

At a time when much of alt-rock radio sounded the same, Standing Outside a Broken Phonebooth with Money in My Hand was a breath of fresh air. Lots of people must have felt the same, as it hit #1 on the Modern Rock charts. I liked it enough to go buy the album. Let’s just say I immediately knew they would be one-hit wonders.
This was on the Cable Guy soundtrack, which was pretty solid
 
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Real Wild Child (Wild One) - Iggy Pop

Iggy’s take on what’s widely acknowledged to be the original Australian rock-n-roll song, released by Johnny O’Keefe in 1958. It was Iggy’s first song to get any major airplay Stateside or in the UK. He actually looks healthy in the video.

Give it a Day - Pavement

If you were a Pavement fan in the 90s, the band never left you short of new material to obsess over. In between their 5 albums released during the decade, Pavement also dropped 6 EPs - most of which had at least one or two gems. Give it a Day is from 1996’s four-track Pacific Trim, recorded on the spur-of-the-moment prior to their Australian tour.
 
Fun game I like to play, by myself or with others, is "which one hit wonder has the biggest gap of plays between their hit and their next most popular song". "Phonebooth" comes in with an impressive 28,377,343 more plays than "Fading Out" (657,427 plays).
Don't know whether to thank you or curse you, b/c now I'm obsessed. Of the songs listed so far in the countdown, two song had bigger gaps percentage wise but don't come near it in terms of total difference.

5. Freak Nasty - Da Dip at 19:1 over Down Low (11 million listens for the hit)
4. Stacey Q - Two of Hearts at 33:1 over We Connect (27 million listens for the hit)
3. Primitive Radio Gods - Phonebooth 44:1 over Fading Out (29 million listens for the hit)
2. Boys Don't Cry - I Wanna Be A Cowboy 70:1 over Lipstick (3 million listens for the hit)
1. Oran Juice Jones: The Rain at 100:1 over You Can't Hide From Love (6.5 million listens for the hit)
 
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Hitting the halfway point with one of two bands to make both lists.

Begin the Begin - REM

The 1986 countdown is different from all my others in that it doesn’t fully reflect my “lived experience,” in the parlance of our times. I had zero access to alternative music in 1986, meaning I was still completely ignorant of what would become some of my favorite bands/songs. At the time, I was all about pop and hip-hop, with a little skate-punk thrown in.

During spring break of 1987, I house-sat for a family down the street. Their son had gone away to school and had left a mix tape from his college radio station on the kitchen counter. I popped it into my walkman and was transfixed - The Smithereens, PiL, Husker Du, etc. Track 1 on the cassette was REM’s Begin the Begin, and it’s held a special place for me ever since. A few months later, I discovered 120 Minutes on MTV and the rest is history.

E-Bow the Letter - REM

REMs 10th album, New Adventures in Hi-Fi, marked their fourth consecutive top 10 record, despite not containing any obvious hits. E-bow the Letter was written about River Phoenix and features punk legend Patti Smith on the haunting backing vocals. The label hated that REM selected it as the lead single, ultimately blaming it for the album’s (relative) lack of sales.
 
Just ran across this thread. :thumbup:

These are my favorites so far, especially the bolded:

99 Turbo Lover - Judas Priest
77 Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
74 Ambitionz as a Ridah - 2Pac
69 Nobody's Fool - Cinderella / Blow Up the Outside World - Soundgarden
54 Walk Like an Egyptian - Bangles

I know I’m not the only one who skips to 2:50 in the video just for the Susanna Hoffs side-eye.

:goodposting:
 
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And now for the second band to appear in both countdowns...

Welcome Home (Sanitarium) - Metallica

I was kind-of a Metallica fan when I got to college in 1990, but more in the "I owned ...Justice and liked it but never felt the need to explore beyond that" sense. Bob the Dragon put that to the test. I've talked about my roommate Bob here too many times, but as a refresher, he was an oddball anti-social genius who could play every song on every Metallica record note-for-note. And he did. A lot. Plugged into his amp and shredded away on his Les Paul no matter if I was studying in the evening or watching The Young and the Restless at lunch. I should hate Metallica. But familiarity bred love in this case, for both Bob the Dragon and Metallica. I can't hear the opening harmonics of Welcome Home (Sanitarium) and not picture Bob standing in the middle of our dorm room and staring off into space while playing a guitar that weighed almost as much as he did.

Until It Sleeps

I'm not one of those "Metallica was great till they cut their hair" people, but Load was definitely the last album of theirs that I hurried out to buy. Until It Sleeps was their first (and only) single to make the Billboard Top 10.
 
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Dreams - Van Halen

Cue some more Van Hagar hate. Don’t worry, solo DLR coming up down the line.

Woo Hah (Got You All in Check)!! - Busta Rhymes

Love the song, the video, and the man himself. Busta was already a bit of a legend prior to ‘96 thanks to supporting roles on a bunch of other hip-hop records. His debut album turned him into a superstar, selling more than a million copies and spawning this top 10 hit. I saw Busta at the FAO Schwarz in Times Square in the early 2000s. He was just shopping for Xmas presents like the rest of us plebes.
 
Cue some more Van Hagar hate.

The Blue Angels part of all this is when Van Halen went from rock band to a sort of lifestyle reaffirming group. You could take your huge Ford F150 on the road and blare Van Hagar with your soon-to-be barbed wire tattoo ten years later and annoy everyone in sight. Chances are you also voted a certain way in the 2020 election.

Van Halen sucked all the more for their move into the sociopolitical, and I'm not sure it wasn't worse than solo and stupid DLR.
 
One thing Roth never was--was stupid.

He got the joke better than anyone in that genre.

True. But "Hot Dog and a Shake" will try anyone's patience when trying to claim the converse, which is that he's brilliant. He might have gotten the joke, but he was sure in on it and unable to transcend it.
 
I did see Sonic Youth's set and they were awful

I saw Thurston's band, Northampton Wools in New Haven, CT on a Sunday night and I've never seen anything rock so hard. They were an avant-garde rock/free form noise rock act and it just absolutely killed.

Think a small club helps their experiments in sound. It was good and loud. Just a guitar and some drums and more guitar and that was it. It was awesome. I'll never forget Moore riding the crowd, cresting and looking like a human wave while still playing.

It was then I realized that even the parts of Sonic Youth I thought were bad I just wasn't quite understanding as a musical entity.
 
I did see Sonic Youth's set and they were awful

I saw Thurston's band, Northampton Wools in New Haven, CT on a Sunday night and I've never seen anything rock so hard. They were an avant-garde rock/free form noise rock act and it just absolutely killed.

Think a small club helps their experiments in sound. It was good and loud. Just a guitar and some drums and more guitar and that was it. It was awesome. I'll never forget Moore riding the crowd, cresting and looking like a human wave while still playing.

It was then I realized that even the parts of Sonic Youth I thought were bad I just wasn't quite understanding as a musical entity.
My experience with SY on that tour was kind of an outlier. A big reason why they sucked is that they were miserable because Neil's road crew treated them terribly and the Boomer portion of Neil's fans didn't get their music at all, so by the time the tour got to my show, they were phoning it in. I suspect they were better when playing to their crowds on their terms.

I saw them again in 2007 on a bill with the Flaming Lips and Ween, and they were better, though still not anything I felt a great need to check out further.
 
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Levi Stubbs' Tears - Billy Bragg

Last month, my HS senior son and I were driving back from visiting family a few hours away. I forced him to preview my 1986 playlist with me, and it was ugly. Through 101 - 50, he barely recognized any non-hip-hop artist, when he did the song was unfamiliar, and he understandably thought most of the music sucked. Then we get to Levi Stubbs' Tears and he said, "Wait, you listen to Billy Bragg?" In a state of shock that he knew Billy Bragg but not Van Halen, Cyndi Lauper, or Huey Lewis, I asked WTF? He told me that Billy Bragg sucks because he's an out-and-proud communist who, like Roger Waters, had recently made some pretty ridiculous comments on Ukraine. Then we got in a disagreement about how famous Billy Bragg actually was, and he didn't believe me that if you asked 100 people my age (50) walking down the street in Baltimore (not on FBG, obvs), probably 20 would remember Oran "Juice" Jones and maybe 2 could tell you anything about Billy Bragg. I have a weird kid.

Levi Stubbs' Tears was the first single off Billy's excellent 1986 album Talking with the Taxman About Poetry. UK magazine NME recently ranked it as the 207th greatest song of all time.

All I Know - Screaming Trees

My favorite track from Screaming Trees final album. RIP Mark Lanegan.
 
TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:

All I Know is one of their greatest songs and deserved way more attention than it got. The band was hurt by their substance-abuse issues and dysfunction that prevented them from following up Sweet Oblivion for 4 years, but Dust is a fantastic record and this is one of its best tracks.

Billy Bragg is one of those artists where I nope out as soon as a song of his comes on because of his voice. The British Tom Waits, if you will.
 
TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:

All I Know is one of their greatest songs and deserved way more attention than it got. The band was hurt by their substance-abuse issues and dysfunction that prevented them from following up Sweet Oblivion for 4 years, but Dust is a fantastic record and this is one of its best tracks.

Billy Bragg is one of those artists where I nope out as soon as a song of his comes on because of his voice. The British Tom Waits, if you will.
Not sure what to do when a post calls for two different kinds of emoji reactions so I'll just reply with :crying: for the Trees and 🤣for Billy Bragg.
 
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Dreams - Van Halen

Cue some more Van Hagar hate. Don’t worry, solo DLR coming up down the line.

Woo Hah (Got You All in Check)!! - Busta Rhymes

Love the song, the video, and the man himself. Busta was already a bit of a legend prior to ‘96 thanks to supporting roles on a bunch of other hip-hop records. His debut album turned him into a superstar, selling more than a million copies and spawning this top 10 hit. I saw Busta at the FAO Schwarz in Times Square in the early 2000s. He was just shopping for Xmas presents like the rest of us plebes.
I prefer Roth VH but I respect and enjoy a good bit of Van Hagar. Seeing Sammy front VH live was a big help. Sammy was a damn good front man and his voice was good, really good when compared to Roth.
 
Billy Bragg is one of those artists where I nope out as soon as a song of his comes on because of his voice.
Same here. I just can't get past his style of singing. It's finger nails on a blackboard for me. That dude for Fontaines DC is another. Frank Turner, too.
I'm OK with Fontaines DC dude but my brain just tells me that he's not actually "singing." Same with '80s and later Lou Reed.
 
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And now for the second band to appear in both countdowns...

Welcome Home (Sanitarium) - Metallica

I was kind-of a Metallica fan when I got to college in 1990, but more in the "I owned ...Justice and liked it but never felt the need to explore beyond that" sense. Bob the Dragon put that to the test. I've talked about my roommate Bob here too many times, but as a refresher, he was an oddball anti-social genius who could play every song on every Metallica record note-for-note. And he did. A lot. Plugged into his amp and shredded away on his Les Paul no matter if I was studying in the evening or watching The Young and the Restless at lunch. I should hate Metallica. But familiarity bred love in this case, for both Bob the Dragon and Metallica. I can't hear the opening harmonics of Welcome Home (Sanitarium) and not picture Bob standing in the middle of our dorm room and staring off into space while playing a guitar that weighed almost as much as he did.

Until It Sleeps

I'm not one of those "Metallica was great till they cut their hair" people, but Load was definitely the last album of theirs that I hurried out to buy. Until It Sleeps was their first (and only) single to make the Billboard Top 10.
Metallica has been one of my favorite 3 bands since 1984. Lightning was an incredible album and only master is better work in my opinion. The title track is still my favorite song but Sanitarium is always in the running for the second spot. Metallica is not for everyone but when you are in the mood for something a little heavy, it is tough to beat.
 
Billy Bragg is one of those artists where I nope out as soon as a song of his comes on because of his voice.
Same here. I just can't get past his style of singing. It's finger nails on a blackboard for me. That dude for Fontaines DC is another. Frank Turner, too.
Trigger warning: Frank Turner doing an amazing cover of Thunder Road in NJ.

I love how FT tends to individualize covers based on where he is on a given night. Been fortunate to be in the audience when he's done a couple of my favorite songs: Magazines by The Hold Steady in Minneapolis and The District Sleeps Alone Tonight by the Postal Service in DC. For the former, he forgot some words and the crowd picked him up and it was absolutely magical.
 
Trigger warning: Frank Turner doing an amazing cover of Thunder Road in NJ.

I love how FT tends to individualize covers based on where he is on a given night. Been fortunate to be in the audience when he's done a couple of my favorite songs: Magazines by The Hold Steady in Minneapolis and The District Sleeps Alone Tonight by the Postal Service in DC. For the former, he forgot some words and the crowd picked him up and it was absolutely magical.
I probably would like him live, but on record his vocals are the equivalent chewing aluminum foil to my senses.
 
Trigger warning: Frank Turner doing an amazing cover of Thunder Road in NJ.

I love how FT tends to individualize covers based on where he is on a given night. Been fortunate to be in the audience when he's done a couple of my favorite songs: Magazines by The Hold Steady in Minneapolis and The District Sleeps Alone Tonight by the Postal Service in DC. For the former, he forgot some words and the crowd picked him up and it was absolutely magical.
I saw Frank Turner open for the Counting Crows last year, and he was great. I loved his performance, and his personality when he wasn't playing.
 
I prefer Roth VH but I respect and enjoy a good bit of Van Hagar. Seeing Sammy front VH live was a big help. Sammy was a damn good front man and his voice was good, really good when compared to Roth.
I prefer Roth VH too. I was in high school during the Roth VH years, and I liked them a lot. I don't think Van Hagar was bad, but I didn't have the same interest in them at that point, but I listened to them if they came on the radio. I liked Sammy Hagar's hair. I met Michael Anthony one night at a neighbor's party when I lived in Florida. He was nice.
 
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I think my biggest problem with Van Hagar is that Eddie was more interested in playing piano and synth than guitar, which is like Michael Jordan being more interested in playing baseball than basketball.
 
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Don't Let's Start - They Might Be Giants

Thanks to being forced to listen to their kids' albums about a zillion times between 2004-12 or so, I have zero interest in hearing any They Might Be Giants at this point. I loved them in 1987 though, as Don't Let's Start - the first single from their 1986 debut album - was one of the first videos I ever saw in 120 Minutes.

Machinehead - Bush

Bush's debut album Sixteen Stone was one of the biggest record's of 1995, selling more than 6 million copies. The band's follow-up, 1996's Razorblade Suitcase proved Bush was up for a repeat, and lead-off single Machinehead continued a string of five consecutive top 10 hits on the Modern Rock Charts (with two more to come by the end of the year). Zero idea what having a machinehead means, why it's better than the rest, or how green-to-red plays into the whole thing.
 

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