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11 yo arrested for being disruptive. Not for refusing to stand for pledge. (Was - 11 yo arrested for not standing for pledge) (1 Viewer)

jon_mx said:
The student reportedly told the substitute teacher the flag was racist and the national anthem was offensive to black people. 

Student refused to stand for pledge; arrest report says he called school leaders racists

Hmmm, sounds like this kid reads this forum too much
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And the teacher told him TO GO BACK TO AFRICA. 

 
jon_mx said:
According to the arrest affidavit, the student was arrested by the school resource officer because he refused to follow multiple commands, repeatedly called school leaders racist and was disruptive. They said he threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and to beat the teacher. 

The student, who was with his mother when she was interviewed, told Spectrum Bay News 9 he didn’t threaten to beat the teacher. 
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The eleven year old clearly should have controlled the situation better here. It is so crazy how different people treat victims based on skin color. Black victims don't even get to be victims. 

Hell Nazi's are very fine people. Mass murderers get Burger King. ####### Catholic boys get PR firms on CNN. 

 
OrtonToOlsen said:
Spanking/swatting/paddling are not effective forms of discipline.  They figured this out decades ago. 

And I’d love for you to tell me more about the liability issues when it comes to restraining students.  How many years have you been involved in education again?
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Yes. The respect kids show today is much greater then decades ago.   :rolleyes:

My Mother, a teacher was sued by a parent, Two boys fighting in class. One kid on top of t he other just wailing on the other. My mom grabs the kid by the back of his shirt and pull him off.  Boom, insta law-suit.  

 
E Street Brat said:
Yes. 1. The respect kids show today is much greater then decades ago.   :rolleyes:

2.My Mother, a teacher was sued by a parent, Two boys fighting in class. One kid on top of t he other just wailing on the other. My mom grabs the kid by the back of his shirt and pull him off.  Boom, insta law-suit.  
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1. I’ve been doing this for over 20 years. It’s no better or worse really.

2.  That could have happened this week or 50 years ago. You can sue anybody for just about anything.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Link?
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https://www.theroot.com/11-year-old-boy-arrested-for-refusing-to-recite-racist-1832685230

"The teacher recapped everything in a handwritten statement to the district. “Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live,” she reportedly told him....."

We'll see how it pans out. The Africa was HEAVILY implied there in her own note don't you think? 

That's the classic "love it or leave it" language that nationalists love to use. 

Also too we blaming an eleven year old in a situation the teacher clearly escalated.  

 
After thinking about this more, I think the teacher should have her children taken away from her if she has any.

 
Jackstraw said:
https://www.theroot.com/11-year-old-boy-arrested-for-refusing-to-recite-racist-1832685230

"The teacher recapped everything in a handwritten statement to the district. “Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live,” she reportedly told him....."

We'll see how it pans out. The Africa was HEAVILY implied there in her own note don't you think? 

That's the classic "love it or leave it" language that nationalists love to use. 

Also too we blaming an eleven year old in a situation the teacher clearly escalated.  
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The teacher was out of line, but she is a sub and I doubt if she is ever called back to work there again.  The principal probably should have told the teacher to go home right there and if the kid continued to misbehave send him home and suspend him for a few days.  

 
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Jackstraw said:
https://www.theroot.com/11-year-old-boy-arrested-for-refusing-to-recite-racist-1832685230

"The teacher recapped everything in a handwritten statement to the district. “Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live,” she reportedly told him....."

We'll see how it pans out. The Africa was HEAVILY implied there in her own note don't you think? 

That's the classic "love it or leave it" language that nationalists love to use. 

Also too we blaming an eleven year old in a situation the teacher clearly escalated.  
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I’m not a huge fan of “love it or leave it”- that’s bad enough by itself- but “go back to Africa” is different connotation- obviously racist. I wouldn’t go there unless we’re sure she said it. 

 
timschochet said:
Not really. 

She obviously doesn’t know the law nor does she truly understand the essence of American freedom if she believes he should be required to recite the pledge. 

As for the kid, sorry but I don’t believe an 11 year old can possibly have the knowledge, maturity, or personal experience necessary to decide that we live in an oppressive or racist country. Somebody told him; the kid is repeating simplistic propaganda he’s heard from others. 

So no I don’t really find either especially interesting. 
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Or maybe this teacher taught him these things. 

 
timschochet said:
Not really. 

She obviously doesn’t know the law nor does she truly understand the essence of American freedom if she believes he should be required to recite the pledge. 

As for the kid, sorry but I don’t believe an 11 year old can possibly have the knowledge, maturity, or personal experience necessary to decide that we live in an oppressive or racist country. Somebody told him; the kid is repeating simplistic propaganda he’s heard from others. 

So no I don’t really find either especially interesting. 
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Malala Yousafzai was 11 when she started her advocacy for women and girls under Taliban occupation.  Give kids a little more credit.

 
Henry Ford said:
Malala Yousafzai was 11 when she started her advocacy for women and girls under Taliban occupation.  Give kids a little more credit.
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The Taliban had such an clearly awful and repressive society that a smart kid should be able to recognize it, and you’re talking about an extraordinary one there. 

We don’t live in that kind of society. You may think the USA is racist and repressive, but to reach that opinion objectively requires a lot more subtlety and nuance than living under the Taliban would. I have a lot of trouble believing that an 11 year old reaches that conclusion on his own. Possible? I suppose. Likely? I doubt it. 

 
timschochet said:
The Taliban had such an clearly awful and repressive society that a smart kid should be able to recognize it, and you’re talking about an extraordinary one there. 

We don’t live in that kind of society. You may think the USA is racist and repressive, but to reach that opinion objectively requires a lot more subtlety and nuance than living under the Taliban would. I have a lot of trouble believing that an 11 year old reaches that conclusion on his own. Possible? I suppose. Likely? I doubt it. 
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You're living in a dream world.  If you don't think people of color growing up in this country see oppression and rights violations and racism, I don't think you're paying attention.

 
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timschochet said:
The Taliban had such an clearly awful and repressive society that a smart kid should be able to recognize it, and you’re talking about an extraordinary one there. 

We don’t live in that kind of society. You may think the USA is racist and repressive, but to reach that opinion objectively requires a lot more subtlety and nuance than living under the Taliban would. I have a lot of trouble believing that an 11 year old reaches that conclusion on his own. Possible? I suppose. Likely? I doubt it. 
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Kid probably watches CNN

 
Henry Ford said:
You're living in a dream world.  If you don't think people of color growing up in this country see oppression and rights violations and racism, I don't think you're paying attention.
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I certainly think many of them do see that. But enough to decide that we live in a racist nation and therefore one shouldn’t stand for the Pledge? 

You’re talking about an extraordinary evaluation, and also a decision to defy authority which, lets face it, most 11 years olds will never do. I say the odds are very high someone older  put him up to this. I could be wrong but I think it’s a reasonable assumption. 

 
Y'all live in a ####ed up place if you think the police should arrest an 11 year old for back talking to a teacher 

 
msommer said:
Y'all live in a ####ed up place if you think the police should arrest an 11 year old for back talking to a teacher 
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To everyone’s credit, I haven’t read a single person here who believes, based on the information provided, that the arrest was warranted. 

 
timschochet said:
I certainly think many of them do see that. But enough to decide that we live in a racist nation and therefore one shouldn’t stand for the Pledge? 

You’re talking about an extraordinary evaluation, and also a decision to defy authority which, lets face it, most 11 years olds will never do. I say the odds are very high someone older  put him up to this. I could be wrong but I think it’s a reasonable assumption. 
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Colin Kaepernick is on every channel.  You don't think a kid sees that?  At 11?

Also, I actually laughed at the bolded.  Not in a bad way, just kind of an "oh, bless your heart you must have daughters" kind of way.

 
Henry Ford said:
I think you guys have an unrealistic view of how protected from reality 11 year olds are in today's society.
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You don't have to write "you guys" if your opinion is directed at me; nobody has come to my defense here.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree. I wouldn't mind you being right; if the kid came up with this of his own accord, my respect for him would shoot way up (though I would still disagree with him, and if I could I would explain that when we pledge allegiance to the Flag, we are pledging allegiance to an idea of a free Republic with liberty and justice for all, and even though we don't always achieve that goal we continue to strive for it, and the goal itself makes the pledge worthwhile. IMO.)

 
Henry Ford said:
timschochet said:
The Taliban had such an clearly awful and repressive society that a smart kid should be able to recognize it, and you’re talking about an extraordinary one there. 

We don’t live in that kind of society. You may think the USA is racist and repressive, but to reach that opinion objectively requires a lot more subtlety and nuance than living under the Taliban would. I have a lot of trouble believing that an 11 year old reaches that conclusion on his own. Possible? I suppose. Likely? I doubt it. 
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You're living in a dream world.  If you don't think people of color growing up in this country see oppression and rights violations and racism, I don't think you're paying attention.
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Children's Crusade

Some of these kids were 11 years old. Their parents asked them not to protest. Martin Luther King asked them not to protest. Their school actually locked the doors and windows in an attempt to prevent these kids from protesting.

And yet they defied all of that.

Not that I'm saying that this kid is civil rights pioneer. But I don't doubt that he's seen or felt what it's like to have your rights violated.

 
timschochet said:
You don't have to write "you guys" if your opinion is directed at me; nobody has come to my defense here.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree. I wouldn't mind you being right; if the kid came up with this of his own accord, my respect for him would shoot way up (though I would still disagree with him, and if I could I would explain that when we pledge allegiance to the Flag, we are pledging allegiance to an idea of a free Republic with liberty and justice for all, and even though we don't always achieve that goal we continue to strive for it, and the goal itself makes the pledge worthwhile. IMO.)
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And that kid might say: “that’s an easy view to hold if you’re a white middle aged man making a good living selling real estate in so-cal.”

 
timschochet said:
You don't have to write "you guys" if your opinion is directed at me; nobody has come to my defense here.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree. I wouldn't mind you being right; if the kid came up with this of his own accord, my respect for him would shoot way up (though I would still disagree with him, and if I could I would explain that when we pledge allegiance to the Flag, we are pledging allegiance to an idea of a free Republic with liberty and justice for all, and even though we don't always achieve that goal we continue to strive for it, and the goal itself makes the pledge worthwhile. IMO.)
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“You’re so vaaaaaiiinn, you prob’ly think this post is about yoouuuuu”

A couple of people in here have expressed that they don’t believe the kid said what was reported, or (for instance) jokingly that he got the idea from CNN.

 
Henry Ford said:
“You’re so vaaaaaiiinn, you prob’ly think this post is about yoouuuuu”

A couple of people in here have expressed that they don’t believe the kid said what was reported, or (for instance) jokingly that he got the idea from CNN.
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You just put clouds in my coffee.

 
Dedfin said:
Why was the title changed? It was good.
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Was on an airplane all afternoon and phone dead. Mods changed it. I made the thread title the same as the title of the article. 

A teacher picked a fight and said dog whistle racist things to him because he wouldn't stand.  So he was one of the parties being disruptive. Should have arrested the teacher too if being disruptive is an arrest able crime. FOR AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD. 

 
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I would NEVER defend arresting an 11 year old for disruption at school.

Chucking an Expo marker at a 13 year old's head from across the room?  Totally justified.  

 
This might be a nice little revenue stream when self driving cars become the norm and cops aren't spending all day setting up speed traps. 

 
Sheriff Bart said:
Was on an airplane all afternoon and phone dead. Mods changed it. I made the thread title the same as the title of the article. 

A teacher picked a fight and said dog whistle racist things to him because he wouldn't stand.  So he was one of the parties being disruptive. Should have arrested the teacher too if being disruptive is an arrest able crime. FOR AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD. 
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Booooo mods booooooo

 
Threatening violence should have seen the student suspended, not arrested.  I’m not sure what the resource officer is allowed to do to restrain a student that won’t leave a classroom though.

 
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