14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[the moops]

sensationalizing a quote where he flat out says we need to kill the families of terrorists? is that even possible to sensationalize?

 

[Quez]

couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols?

Essentially yes.

Especially if they had pulled a fire alarm & waited for everyone to be grouped up outside in the open.

 

[cockroach]

I saw something about the couple visiting Saudi Arabia. Was they woman from there? I read he had been on dating sites, so maybe he finally got a girl who happened to be a radicalized Muslim.

The news I heard on tv was that he went there to get her and bring her back.

This sounds like the most logical explanation. He couldn't find a woman in the US, not even on dating sites. Likely because he was pretty religious, and there just aren't many single Muslim chicks around here. He probably had resentment towards American women, and met a radical girl from SA.

If he was in that state of mind then he would be vulnerable to brainwashing and an easy mark.

Maybe a terrorist organization is using women to help radicalize American Muslim men?

You don't have to be lonely, at jihadist only dot com-alalalalalallalalalalalalaaaaaa

 

[timschochet]

sensationalizing a quote where he flat out says we need to kill the families of terrorists? is that even possible to sensationalize?

Yeah that's kind of what I thought. I was just taking Trump at his word...

 

[jonessed]

sensationalizing a quote where he flat out says we need to kill the families of terrorists? is that even possible to sensationalize?

Yes.

 

[Doug B]

Ap says the pipe bomb thrown from car was a fake. But there is always so much misinformation early.

Yeah ... I didn't think pipe bombs worked this way, where you could just chuck them at someone and count on an explosion at the exact right time you want it (like, say, with a grenade).

The cops definitely defused a device that had been left at the center.

Makes sense. Remember when people were throwing pipe bombs down into local (NOLA area) mailboxes for a while? Early- to mid-90s? Seemed like they'd drop the bombs in and have to wait some fairly longish time for the thing to detonate. And many were found undetonated.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

I have several rifles that shoot .223. I do have magazines which hold up to 40 rounds. Those are more prone to jamming than 10, 15, 20 and 30 round magazines, but true you can get very large capacity magazines for AR's and AK's. On the other hand I have Glocks that have 18 round magazines. I can hold and fire two of those at the same time, one hand each in a crowded room scenario. Not an appreciable difference and probably more reliable in terms of jamming.

With 3D printers the potential for fairly large handgun magazines is out there, as is the possibility of producing or converting guns to rather efficient machine pistols.

 

[jonessed]

I saw something about the couple visiting Saudi Arabia. Was they woman from there? I read he had been on dating sites, so maybe he finally got a girl who happened to be a radicalized Muslim.

The news I heard on tv was that he went there to get her and bring her back.

This sounds like the most logical explanation. He couldn't find a woman in the US, not even on dating sites. Likely because he was pretty religious, and there just aren't many single Muslim chicks around here. He probably had resentment towards American women, and met a radical girl from SA.If he was in that state of mind then he would be vulnerable to brainwashing and an easy mark.

Maybe a terrorist organization is using women to help radicalize American Muslim men?

You don't have to be lonely, at jihadist only dot com-alalalalalallalalalalalalaaaaaa

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ap says the pipe bomb thrown from car was a fake. But there is always so much misinformation early.

Yeah ... I didn't think pipe bombs worked this way, where you could just chuck them at someone and count on an explosion at the exact right time you want it (like, say, with a grenade).

The cops definitely defused a device that had been left at the center.

Makes sense. Remember when people were throwing pipe bombs down into local (NOLA area) mailboxes for a while? Early- to mid-90s? Seemed like they'd drop the bombs in and have to wait some fairly longish time for the thing to detonate. And many were found undetonated.

Yep, very simple stuff but yeah that can be done. The intention may have been to harm first responders and increase damage and harm.

 

[Fennis]

the husband and wife shooters have a 6 month old baby.

Imagine being that kid when it is old enough to understand this information.

It seems almost incomprehensible that a mother with a baby would do something like this. someone above implied the baby is a cover? maybe that was it.

 

[tom22406]

Well this thread is going along just as expected......................

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

the husband and wife shooters have a 6 month old baby.

Imagine being that kid when it is old enough to understand this information.

It seems almost incomprehensible that a mother with a baby would do something like this. someone above implied the baby is a cover? maybe that was it.

It would be good to know the timeline of when Farooq went to SA and when he came back.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

the husband and wife shooters have a 6 month old baby.

Imagine being that kid when it is old enough to understand this information.

It seems almost incomprehensible that a mother with a baby would do something like this. someone above implied the baby is a cover? maybe that was it.

I heard a radio report this morning that the organization the male shooter worked for held a baby shower for the female shooter when she was pregnant. If that proves out it is an even stranger story, for me at least.

 

[Fennis]

Although I haven't released a formal statement like some, I've also done a 180 on this and think this will end up being an ISIS directed attack. I also fear there will be a small number more.

No idea what to do about it.... but here we are.

 

[timschochet]

Although I haven't released a formal statement like some, I've also done a 180 on this and think this will end up being an ISIS directed attack. I also fear there will be a small number more.

No idea what to do about it.... but here we are.

I still think it's lone wolf- inspired by but not directed. What makes you think it was directed?

 

[Phil Elliott]

According to reports there were quite a few IED's in the home and allegedly quite a bit of activity late at night be several people at the home for several weeks. It seems they possibly were going to plan a "terrorist" event somewhere else but the guy got upset at the celebration and decided to come back to the "celebration" to wreck havoc there first. Then they go home, maybe to reload weapons, and take off again. Police got a tip and had the home under watch. They drive off again, when the shootout happens. I think there is more to the overall plan these two had been working on, besides what they did at the celebration. I think there are also a lot more people involved besides just these two which is the focus by the FBI right now.

 

[jonessed]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

I have several rifles that shoot .223. I do have magazines which hold up to 40 rounds. Those are more prone to jamming than 10, 15, 20 and 30 round magazines, but true you can get very large capacity magazines for AR's and AK's. On the other hand I have Glocks that have 18 round magazines. I can hold and fire two of those at the same time, one hand each in a crowded room scenario. Not an appreciable difference and probably more reliable in terms of jamming.With 3D printers the potential for fairly large handgun magazines is out there, as is the possibility of producing or converting guns to rather efficient machine pistols.

I believe large capacity magazines are illegal in California.

 

[Fennis]

Although I haven't released a formal statement like some, I've also done a 180 on this and think this will end up being an ISIS directed attack. I also fear there will be a small number more.

No idea what to do about it.... but here we are.

I still think it's lone wolf- inspired by but not directed. What makes you think it was directed?

Nothing concrete. just my best guess. doesn't really matter (much) if it is lone wolf or not other than it being harder to prevent.

 

[timschochet]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

 

[ffldrew]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

I have several rifles that shoot .223. I do have magazines which hold up to 40 rounds. Those are more prone to jamming than 10, 15, 20 and 30 round magazines, but true you can get very large capacity magazines for AR's and AK's. On the other hand I have Glocks that have 18 round magazines. I can hold and fire two of those at the same time, one hand each in a crowded room scenario. Not an appreciable difference and probably more reliable in terms of jamming.With 3D printers the potential for fairly large handgun magazines is out there, as is the possibility of producing or converting guns to rather efficient machine pistols.

I believe large capacity magazines are illegal in California.

It's supposed to be a referendum soon - maybe Nov 2016 from what I remember

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article39234468.html

 

[timschochet]

But state or city restrictions on firearms are almost meaningless aren't they? Too easy to drive to Nevada, for instance, and carry it back to California.

 

[whoknew]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

I don't think you went overboard. It was a perfectly appropriate critique of Trump's ridiculous comment by showing the reality of Trump's idea. The people who are barking at you should re-direct their anger at him.

 

[Widbil83]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Authorities Search Redlands Home Tied To Suspect Syed Farook

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

The guy was too scared he would be called a racist if he reported it. Sounds like the Ahmad the clock kid effect.

 

[Lupe]

According to reports there were quite a few IED's in the home and allegedly quite a bit of activity late at night be several people at the home for several weeks. It seems they possibly were going to plan a "terrorist" event somewhere else but the guy got upset at the celebration and decided to come back to the "celebration" to wreck havoc there first. Then they go home, maybe to reload weapons, and take off again. Police got a tip and had the home under watch. They drive off again, when the shootout happens. I think there is more to the overall plan these two had been working on, besides what they did at the celebration. I think there are also a lot more people involved besides just these two which is the focus by the FBI right now.

They dropped off the kid with the mom and said they had doctor appointments. Its safe to say they had something planned that day. I haven't seen first hand witness talking about him being upset at the event, only that he was missing and they noticed when they were taking the group picture.

 

[Soulfly3]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

 

[cstu]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

There was nothing wrong with your comment, Tim. People can't handle the truth.

 

[ffldrew]

According to reports there were quite a few IED's in the home and allegedly quite a bit of activity late at night be several people at the home for several weeks. It seems they possibly were going to plan a "terrorist" event somewhere else but the guy got upset at the celebration and decided to come back to the "celebration" to wreck havoc there first. Then they go home, maybe to reload weapons, and take off again. Police got a tip and had the home under watch. They drive off again, when the shootout happens. I think there is more to the overall plan these two had been working on, besides what they did at the celebration. I think there are also a lot more people involved besides just these two which is the focus by the FBI right now.

They dropped off the kid with the mom and said they had doctor appointments. Its safe to say they had something planned that day. I haven't seen first hand witness talking about him being upset at the event, only that he was missing and they noticed when they were taking the group picture.

Well he had to have planned it - because the party was being held at the Regional Center where they had rented out the space for the party. The argument angle is interesting - maybe he wanted to get someone for mocking him or Islam that was a co-worker and after making sure that person was there left to come back and do the job.

 

[snogger]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Seriously? The most important question is always WHY?

 

[Soulfly3]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Why aren't they, is the question? You think they honestly don't know this, almost immediately?

FBI, CIA etc... they know within an extremely short period of time what it is.

Why is it being hidden? Why did the police officer being interviewed on TV say "I didnt want to start an international incident"?... and yet that statement went hush nearly immediately.

Something much bigger is happening, and they likely know it... and want, perhaps, to "play dumb" to get the other individuals out of hiding

 

[AAABatteries]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

There was nothing wrong with your comment, Tim. People can't handle the truth.

Time and place and all that. I agree with others - take it to the Trump thread or the ISIS thread or somewhere else.

 

[cstu]

Where in his quote does he suggest killing this 6 month old baby? You are sensationalizing the quote.

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

Is the baby not part of their family?

 

[MikeIke]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Side effect of Benghazi. If they don't immediately call it the correct thing the first time, opponents will accuse them of covering something up.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

But state or city restrictions on firearms are almost meaningless aren't they? Too easy to drive to Nevada, for instance, and carry it back to California.

History shows that even federal or international prohibitions are ineffective. I mean Somali pirates and Boko Harem can get shoulder held missiles, farm kids in Wisconsin can get coke or heroine, and Pete Townsend can still access kiddie porn. I dare say Charlie Manson and Jared Fogle can indulge themselves in prison.

Folks argue that prohibitions do some good. I will not argue that they do not, just that it is marginal, at best, and no impediment to the determined.

 

[snogger]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Seriously? The most important question is always WHY?

Of course. we do need to know WHY?? But we don't need to label it Terrorism within 24 hours to find that out.. Let the evidence be gathered and "digested" and if it is a Terrorist attack then call it that then..

Just don't see why someone would get angry/upset that they aren't calling this terrorism within 24 hours..

 

[AAABatteries]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Why aren't they, is the question? You think they honestly don't know this, almost immediately?

FBI, CIA etc... they know within an extremely short period of time what it is.

Why is it being hidden? Why did the police officer being interviewed on TV say "I didnt want to start an international incident"?... and yet that statement went hush nearly immediately.

Something much bigger is happening, and they likely know it... and want, perhaps, to "play dumb" to get the other individuals out of hiding

I'm not sure if I'd call it playing dumb but I totally believe that they are hunting down more people as we discuss this.

 

[snogger]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Why aren't they, is the question? You think they honestly don't know this, almost immediately?

FBI, CIA etc... they know within an extremely short period of time what it is.

Why is it being hidden? Why did the police officer being interviewed on TV say "I didnt want to start an international incident"?... and yet that statement went hush nearly immediately.

Something much bigger is happening, and they likely know it... and want, perhaps, to "play dumb" to get the other individuals out of hiding

In regards to the Bold part.. Wouldn't that be a good thing

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

So because of that would you be in favor of making AK-47s illegal to own?

I just gave an explanation as to why it is easier to kill more people with assault rifles. Try not to infer deeper meaning or intent into written communication.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'll humor the Utopian seeking folks who believe the fastest way to get there is outlaw guns or at least enact some new laws. Before I go on though I will give Obama credit for making a valid point. If we have a list of folks who are on a no fly list meaning they can't board an airplane in this country, certainly those same folks should be on a list that forbids them from purchasing a gun, no problem with that add on.

But all these politicians who help spur on these feelings some of you have who feel everything would be great if we outlaw guns to law abiding citizens. You can enact all the laws you want but it won't stop random acts of terror. I don't care how great the society, how equal the wealth is spread, how all religions and lifestyle orientations are openly accepted, it doesn't matter because when you have 400 million people in America you are going to have a few loose screws it's simply the law of large numbers. Someone is always going to pick up a blunt object and kill someone so stop trying to pretend you have control on the way people think.

Then it begs the larger question and one they don't like to be painted as. Are you so elitist that you think you know what's best for everyone? I don't personally own a gun because I have a choice or freedom whether I want to arm myself or not. I have lived in 2 major cities both East and West Coast and never packed heat. Doesn't mean I don't want other law abiding citizens to pack heat in case we need someone to bail our butts out. And if I were really scared for my life I might think about making a purchase. I just don't like things decided for me, allow me to choose what I feel is best.

I am never going to be for a society where a group of folks like the police, an extension of our not to be trusted federal government has all the power and weapons and we are left to protect ourselves with nothing. You cannot always assume the police are going to not only act right but also be there in less than 30 seconds. It's mind boggling to hear folks use these platforms for their own political gain, truly sad to see anti-gun advocates take to Twitter almost immediately without even waiting to gather some of the info and facts. The media as usual doesn't have to be right when they report this stuff. For S&G the next time one of these tragedies starts to break, tune in Sheppard Smith. If you have not heard him in a while and I hadn't, he is ready to announce the World is going to end or blow up at a moment's notice, guy loves to pour gasoline on an open fire and watch it burn.

I'm trying to be respectful of those who are anti-violence and feel so awful they want to do something...that typically becomes an assault on the actual guns. I wish those folks would realize we are both grieving but that doesn't always mean we need to make rash decisions. What happens when we outlaw drugs? Do drugs magically disappear? Do you really believe outlawing the purchase of guns by law abiding citizens is going to end this nonsense?

I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers.

 

[AAABatteries]

Some news on the victims. Hospital saying 2 of 5 patients in critical condition and the other 3 in fair condition. All with gunshot wounds. Hoping the doctors can save all the wounded.

 

[Doug B]

According to reports there were quite a few IED's in the home and allegedly quite a bit of activity late at night be several people at the home for several weeks. It seems they possibly were going to plan a "terrorist" event somewhere else but the guy got upset at the celebration and decided to come back to the "celebration" to wreck havoc there first. Then they go home, maybe to reload weapons, and take off again. Police got a tip and had the home under watch. They drive off again, when the shootout happens. I think there is more to the overall plan these two had been working on, besides what they did at the celebration. I think there are also a lot more people involved besides just these two which is the focus by the FBI right now.

They dropped off the kid with the mom and said they had doctor appointments. Its safe to say they had something planned that day. I haven't seen first hand witness talking about him being upset at the event, only that he was missing and they noticed when they were taking the group picture.

Well he had to have planned it - because the party was being held at the Regional Center where they had rented out the space for the party. The argument angle is interesting - maybe he wanted to get someone for mocking him or Islam that was a co-worker and after making sure that person was there left to come back and do the job.

Given this string of comments: is it possible that Farook, in a fit of pique, basically turned the immediate resources of a terror cell against a focused target? IOW, something else was supposed to happen somewhere else ... but Farook might have figured "Hey, let me kill two birds here -- get back at the work a-holes AND foment terror".

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Seriously? The most important question is always WHY?

Of course. we do need to know WHY?? But we don't need to label it Terrorism within 24 hours to find that out.. Let the evidence be gathered and "digested" and if it is a Terrorist attack then call it that then..

Just don't see why someone would get angry/upset that they aren't calling this terrorism within 24 hours..

I think the anger is as to why they are not calling it terrorism when it clearly is. They do not have to say it was directed terrorism, or ISIS backed etc. until the evidence suggests that it is. However the evidence has strongly suggested that its some sort of terror plot since about 5pm yesterday.

 

[TPW]

I see the thread has now devolved into discussions about Donald Trump, gun control, and how you're a racist if you dare notice suspicious activity. Like I said, most Americans just do not get it.

If you're reading this and are smart enough to understand the possible implications of current events, make your own judgments and courses of action. Counting on your neighbors to help you in a pinch is not wise.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Some news on the victims. Hospital saying 2 of 5 patients in critical condition and the other 3 in fair condition. All with gunshot wounds. Hoping the doctors can save all the wounded.

Stop ruining tim's blog with actual news.

 

[Soulfly3]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Why aren't they, is the question? You think they honestly don't know this, almost immediately?

FBI, CIA etc... they know within an extremely short period of time what it is.

Why is it being hidden? Why did the police officer being interviewed on TV say "I didnt want to start an international incident"?... and yet that statement went hush nearly immediately.

Something much bigger is happening, and they likely know it... and want, perhaps, to "play dumb" to get the other individuals out of hiding

In regards to the Bold part.. Wouldn't that be a good thing

I dont think playing dumb will get them out of hiding any more than if they announced it what it really is.

This was an obvious sleeper cell... and has been stewing for a long while. they have a plan for hiding that's probably been rehearsed 100000 times. they'll stick to it, im certain

 

[Courtjester]

Well this thread is going along just as expected......................

Yep, Tim woke up and well the rest is history

 

[Cjw_55106]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

So because of that would you be in favor of making AK-47s illegal to own?

I just gave an explanation as to why it is easier to kill more people with assault rifles. Try not to infer deeper meaning or intent into written communication.

Tim: couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols?

Cold: The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

Tim: So because of that would you be in favor of making AK-47s illegal to own?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

There is so much of this that doesn't make sense, honestly there will be no real answers until the police have interviewed those in the party that were actually there for all of this. When I think of those doing Jihad, I think of people that kill as many others as possible and yet they seemed to restrict what happeend to the party on the second floor.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Regarding gun control issues:

Two rifles legally purchased by a guy who was not a felon and who was not on any mental health watchlist. I believe in increasing background checks, but it's pretty clear it would have had NO effect on this shooting.

There then remains the question of whether or not to make all assault rifles illegal. Putting aside for the moment the impractibility of such a proposal, couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols? I don't know, but I suspect that is the case. AK-47s look scarier, but that in itself doesn't seem like a good rationale for banning them.

The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

So because of that would you be in favor of making AK-47s illegal to own?

I just gave an explanation as to why it is easier to kill more people with assault rifles. Try not to infer deeper meaning or intent into written communication.

Tim: couldn't the couple have done just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols?

Cold: The magazine for the AKs hold more. So more bullets before loading a new magazine.

Tim: So because of that would you be in favor of making AK-47s illegal to own?

really is

 

[snogger]

not officially calling this Terrorism after nearly 24hrs is ridiculous.

Does it really that much to you?? What is the purpose of screaming TERRORISM!!!! before all evidence is gathered??

Why do people feel the need to label things ASAP

Why aren't they, is the question? You think they honestly don't know this, almost immediately?

FBI, CIA etc... they know within an extremely short period of time what it is.

Why is it being hidden? Why did the police officer being interviewed on TV say "I didnt want to start an international incident"?... and yet that statement went hush nearly immediately.

Something much bigger is happening, and they likely know it... and want, perhaps, to "play dumb" to get the other individuals out of hiding

In regards to the Bold part.. Wouldn't that be a good thing

I dont think playing dumb will get them out of hiding any more than if they announced it what it really is.

This was an obvious sleeper cell... and has been stewing for a long while. they have a plan for hiding that's probably been rehearsed 100000 times. they'll stick to it, im certain

Really?? seems a little early to proclaim that before all information is gathered but I guess we will take your word on it