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1970s music draft- Link to google spreadsheet in first post (1 Viewer)
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Care to discuss your favorite Rolling Stones record now, or would you rather wait until it's drafted?
timschochet
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I think it was more the spotlighting of the band than that you haven't listened to them. There's going to be so much in this draft I've never listened to that I wouldn't dream of saying it for that reason. I think Eephus and you alone (CIA, too) are preparing a mix tape of eight million bands I've never even heard of, never mind listened to.
That said, I don't really have anything rigid to say nor do I care about spotlighting -- I'd rather have the conversation and draft a bit later or have to dig deeper, that's all. Should be a fairly generous draft. I'm trying to eye up the albums by year, and I can't go anything but five-ten deep on most of them. And never mind the singles...
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rockaction
Footballguy
Are we snake drafting?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Was gonna ask the same after just looking at the Google tracking doc, which isn't set up snake.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, also, I know I'm gonna finish in a weird way. Drafts inherently value those plays that are made in the fourth and fifth rounds that people undervalue or miss. No need to take a third or fourth in the first and then struggle.
But I disagree. If it's a snake draft, I'm taking two fourth rounders, canceling the forgiving category, and going from there because I know it's the cornerstone of my franchise. Plus, a good write-up for both. Lots to say about them or it.
And I'm still confident in my draft.
But I disagree. If it's a snake draft, I'm taking two fourth rounders, canceling the forgiving category, and going from there because I know it's the cornerstone of my franchise. Plus, a good write-up for both. Lots to say about them or it.
And I'm still confident in my draft.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Of course it's a snake draft.
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
And let's say an album/song gets picked in one of the categories as opposed to a year. Can someone else choose that pick for the particular year? Or, once an album/song is picked, it's off the table for anything else?
For example: Zeppelin IV gets picked for Best Rock Album. Can someone else then pick it for Best Album from 1971?
I will assume, for now, that once an album/song gets picked, it's off the board completely.
For example: Zeppelin IV gets picked for Best Rock Album. Can someone else then pick it for Best Album from 1971?
I will assume, for now, that once an album/song gets picked, it's off the board completely.
rockaction
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
This is how all the others have been, I would assume the same here.
I don't think we put a cap on how many songs/albums by artists or anything, so even though LZ IV has been taken off the board for albums, I guess technically we could draft all the songs off it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I sure hope we can draft songs off of albums that are drafted. Likewise, if a song is drafted I hope that wouldn't take the album off the block.
jwb
Footballguy
heh heh - yea, I meant the other band, and more or less the discussion that led there.
jwb
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't think so.
Live albums and soundtracks can represent a single moment in time but greatest hits are compilations representing lots of moments, if that makes any sense.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
But sure you can still draft songs from LZ IV. And if a song is drafted you can still take an album.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Fair enough. You are the showrunner here, though your justification has all kinds of contradictions built into it that would be fun to argue in a different venue.
timschochet
Footballguy
I know. I thought of them after I wrote it. But greatest hits don't seem kosher; the others are, somewhat.
timschochet
Footballguy
Welcome aboard.
I pm'ed simsarge, but the clock doesn't start until tomorrow morning, 7am PST. It's one hour until 4pm PST
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Put me on autoskip - I'm at a conference the next 2 days and will catch up sporadically. Not overly concerned about getting sniped here.
Eephus
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see how the draft results compare to the FFA polls conducted in 2011 and 2012.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's a great resource and jogged my memory completely. I can tell you that both my first two hopeful picks (my snake was end-1 but has been changed) were at least mentioned in the threads, though one was not a poll option. My other picks will probably be off of the beaten path, even for punk rock, but I'll always try to give a brief explanation, however convoluted or seemingly abstruse.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
So..... We still doing this thing? 
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah- simsarge never showed- he's got until 8am tomorrow pst- I have the next pick for OTB LiferSo..... We still doing this thing?
otb_lifer
Footballguy
i'm back amongst the land of innerwebz connectivity ... will be able to join in when i'm up
timschochet
Footballguy
Make your pick at 8 am PST.otb_lifer said:i'm back amongst the land of innerwebz connectivity ... will be able to join in when i'm up
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Guys, I'd better bail. I won't add anything to the terrific discussion and really don't want to hold people up at any point or be on skip, etc. I'll lurk instead and see if judges are needed at the end.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
1.13: The Ramones - RAMONES (best punk/post punk album).
just in time for it's 40th anniversary
1976
the hippie/sixties hangover
post Watergate/Vietnam
a stagnant music industry, awash in it's own excess and grandiosity ...
then the four 'dumdum' boys from Queens lob this grenade smack dab in the middle this miasma, and nothing would ever be the same.
every aspect is brilliant, from the seven thousand dollar budget, to the stark minimalism of the cover ... the 'length' of the songs, and their subject matter (punks, baseball bats, male hustlers, sniffin' glue, Nazis, chainsaws).
HEY HO, LET'S GO - the greatest opening salvo in the history of rock ... the call to arms that ignited a true revolution. the countless acts they inspired is staggering.
it stripped everything back down to the basics, and reset the clock to year zero - one of the defining moments of the entire decade.
I used this as 'greatest punk album' because it is/was/always shall be.
just in time for it's 40th anniversary
1976
the hippie/sixties hangover
post Watergate/Vietnam
a stagnant music industry, awash in it's own excess and grandiosity ...
then the four 'dumdum' boys from Queens lob this grenade smack dab in the middle this miasma, and nothing would ever be the same.
every aspect is brilliant, from the seven thousand dollar budget, to the stark minimalism of the cover ... the 'length' of the songs, and their subject matter (punks, baseball bats, male hustlers, sniffin' glue, Nazis, chainsaws).
HEY HO, LET'S GO - the greatest opening salvo in the history of rock ... the call to arms that ignited a true revolution. the countless acts they inspired is staggering.
it stripped everything back down to the basics, and reset the clock to year zero - one of the defining moments of the entire decade.
I used this as 'greatest punk album' because it is/was/always shall be.
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
simsarge is still in the draft until he comes around again. He has until the START of his next pick to make both picks; otherwise he's out of the draft.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
All my cheat notes are at home, so I'll just wing it on the ol' mobile device.
1.x - Curtis Mayfield, soundtrack to Super Fly
1.x - Curtis Mayfield, soundtrack to Super Fly
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I guess I will look more at vbd later, and just take favs at the start.
1.17: PINK FLOYD - Animals (1977 album)
1.17: PINK FLOYD - Animals (1977 album)
rockaction
Footballguy
1.18 Grateful Dead – American Beauty – (1970)
Social consciousness is difficult to escape these days. Given today's climate, escape seems a desirable alternative to engagement. But figuring out the root cause of how we got here might mean merely chasing the original cause down the rabbit hole, naked and bare-assed for the world, struggling to fit in something not made for humans. That’s unsatisfactory. So how do we address the religiosity and rigidity of our sociopolitical state of mind, or much more importantly, how do we find the way around it -- down and off the beaten paths to La Honda, a little bit further, if you will? Holding hands with Garcia, Mountain Girl simply intones, and the rest follow her lead.
The Warner Brothers promo for this album states: “I’d like to tell you that [so-and-so left to follow the Dead and can be found skinny dipping at your local motel]. But you’re no fool. You’d complain. We'd get in trouble. And Jerry Garcia probably would get busted again.” Oh yes, you would. You’d complain. Or you’d shut the shades and smoke your smoke, secretly hoping she’d Phoebe Cates up in your door and lecture you for wanting her.
Or something.
So it’s a bit sexist and heteronormative for today's times, sure. It’s also paradoxically a bit communal in spirit – if only you saw the world as the Dead, then hell, we’d all be individualist democrats. And at heart, it really is one of the most mellow drink, ####, fight, throw your fists at God and former lovers album that ever could be recorded, guerilla-style but with an alluring gentility, as Americans always have been. Brash, gentle, individualist, contemplative about all three things. Ripple. Box of Rain. Truckin’. Candyman. Brokedown Palace. It tunes in, turns on, attempts to thoughtfully drop out.
So what happens when American Beauty and freedom meet the inevitable realities of politics and of life in general? Well, we deal with it in the way Americans have dealt with it since our original crossing. Water. What? Yes, water, that baptismal rite (this album is full of passages and travel; echoes of the frontiersman and settlers abound on it). There is also perspective and empiricism, and pantheism, of course, but for which we would not have hippie and transcendental movements. For better or worse, this album brims with Americanisms and high Americana, seeing religion through the lens of nature; seeking to address eternal questions through individual perspective and the brief understandings of the tangible and present; and the plain old good fun and heartbreak through the outlaw’s mind when the majority doesn’t suit him. It’s radical individualism, presented with a panache and flair that answers to nobody, and it is a singular achievement of the holdover ‘60s into the ‘70s. They may have made the acid illegal, but the flashbacks of what once could have been are here to stay. There isn’t a song on this album that isn’t memorable, doesn’t have a quote worthy of a passage of rite in life. It was made for yearbooks, if only it hadn't been done so often before. But if you're unafraid to be a bit redundant sometimes, you can leave others a pearl of wisdom of what your uncool self always wanted to be.
And did I mention it has the best album cover possibly ever put forth on a rock album, beautiful rosewood and a powder blue ambigram that also reads "American Reality?" Look closer, you'll see it. Don't dig deeper, just go beyond. Anyway, enough of that, here's the important stuff.
For natural wit and yearbook quotes everywhere (one from each song):
“It’s just a box of rain…wind and water. Believe it if you need it. If you don’t just pass it on…sun and shower, wind and rain, in and out the window like a moth before a flame…it’s just a box of rain, or a ribbon for your hair, such a long, long time to be gone, and short time to be there.” - Box Of Rain
“I ran down to the levee but the devil caught me there, He took my twenty dollar bill and he vanished in the air.” - Friend Of The Devil
“Sweet blossom come on, under the willow, we can have high times if you’ll abide. We can discover the wonders of nature, rolling in the rushes down by the riverside.” - Sugar Magnolia
“It’s floodin’ down in Texas, poles are out in Utah. Gotta find a private line.” - Operator
“Come on all your pretty women, with your hair a hanging down, open up your windows cuz the candyman’s in town…if you got a dollar boys, lay it on the line, hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round” - Candyman
“Ripple in still water, when there is no pebble tossed, nor wind to blow.” - Ripple
“In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul...sing a lullaby beside the water, lovers come and go, the river roll, roll, roll” - Brokedown Palace
“The shape it takes could be yours to choose…what you may win, what you may lose.” - Till The Morning Comes
“When there was no dream of mine, you dreamed of me.” - Attics Of My Life
“Busted, down on on Bourbon Street, set up, like a bowlin’ pin…what a long, strange trip it’s been!” - Truckin'
"Fare you well my honey/fare you well my only true one/all the birds that were singing have flown except for you alone" - Brokedown Palace
Social consciousness is difficult to escape these days. Given today's climate, escape seems a desirable alternative to engagement. But figuring out the root cause of how we got here might mean merely chasing the original cause down the rabbit hole, naked and bare-assed for the world, struggling to fit in something not made for humans. That’s unsatisfactory. So how do we address the religiosity and rigidity of our sociopolitical state of mind, or much more importantly, how do we find the way around it -- down and off the beaten paths to La Honda, a little bit further, if you will? Holding hands with Garcia, Mountain Girl simply intones, and the rest follow her lead.
The Warner Brothers promo for this album states: “I’d like to tell you that [so-and-so left to follow the Dead and can be found skinny dipping at your local motel]. But you’re no fool. You’d complain. We'd get in trouble. And Jerry Garcia probably would get busted again.” Oh yes, you would. You’d complain. Or you’d shut the shades and smoke your smoke, secretly hoping she’d Phoebe Cates up in your door and lecture you for wanting her.
Or something.
So it’s a bit sexist and heteronormative for today's times, sure. It’s also paradoxically a bit communal in spirit – if only you saw the world as the Dead, then hell, we’d all be individualist democrats. And at heart, it really is one of the most mellow drink, ####, fight, throw your fists at God and former lovers album that ever could be recorded, guerilla-style but with an alluring gentility, as Americans always have been. Brash, gentle, individualist, contemplative about all three things. Ripple. Box of Rain. Truckin’. Candyman. Brokedown Palace. It tunes in, turns on, attempts to thoughtfully drop out.
So what happens when American Beauty and freedom meet the inevitable realities of politics and of life in general? Well, we deal with it in the way Americans have dealt with it since our original crossing. Water. What? Yes, water, that baptismal rite (this album is full of passages and travel; echoes of the frontiersman and settlers abound on it). There is also perspective and empiricism, and pantheism, of course, but for which we would not have hippie and transcendental movements. For better or worse, this album brims with Americanisms and high Americana, seeing religion through the lens of nature; seeking to address eternal questions through individual perspective and the brief understandings of the tangible and present; and the plain old good fun and heartbreak through the outlaw’s mind when the majority doesn’t suit him. It’s radical individualism, presented with a panache and flair that answers to nobody, and it is a singular achievement of the holdover ‘60s into the ‘70s. They may have made the acid illegal, but the flashbacks of what once could have been are here to stay. There isn’t a song on this album that isn’t memorable, doesn’t have a quote worthy of a passage of rite in life. It was made for yearbooks, if only it hadn't been done so often before. But if you're unafraid to be a bit redundant sometimes, you can leave others a pearl of wisdom of what your uncool self always wanted to be.
And did I mention it has the best album cover possibly ever put forth on a rock album, beautiful rosewood and a powder blue ambigram that also reads "American Reality?" Look closer, you'll see it. Don't dig deeper, just go beyond. Anyway, enough of that, here's the important stuff.
For natural wit and yearbook quotes everywhere (one from each song):
“It’s just a box of rain…wind and water. Believe it if you need it. If you don’t just pass it on…sun and shower, wind and rain, in and out the window like a moth before a flame…it’s just a box of rain, or a ribbon for your hair, such a long, long time to be gone, and short time to be there.” - Box Of Rain
“I ran down to the levee but the devil caught me there, He took my twenty dollar bill and he vanished in the air.” - Friend Of The Devil
“Sweet blossom come on, under the willow, we can have high times if you’ll abide. We can discover the wonders of nature, rolling in the rushes down by the riverside.” - Sugar Magnolia
“It’s floodin’ down in Texas, poles are out in Utah. Gotta find a private line.” - Operator
“Come on all your pretty women, with your hair a hanging down, open up your windows cuz the candyman’s in town…if you got a dollar boys, lay it on the line, hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round” - Candyman
“Ripple in still water, when there is no pebble tossed, nor wind to blow.” - Ripple
“In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul...sing a lullaby beside the water, lovers come and go, the river roll, roll, roll” - Brokedown Palace
“The shape it takes could be yours to choose…what you may win, what you may lose.” - Till The Morning Comes
“When there was no dream of mine, you dreamed of me.” - Attics Of My Life
“Busted, down on on Bourbon Street, set up, like a bowlin’ pin…what a long, strange trip it’s been!” - Truckin'
"Fare you well my honey/fare you well my only true one/all the birds that were singing have flown except for you alone" - Brokedown Palace
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rockaction
Footballguy
Buzzbait
Footballguy
31. With the addition of a wildcard album and song I took it to mean 2 additional rounds. Am I wrong and "wildcard" simply mean you don't declare a category for 2 of the initially intended 30 picks?
Side note: Speaking of categories what's with the TDBs? Come on guys man up and make a decision instead of waffling.
rockaction
Footballguy
You might be right on that one. Fair point. I just followed others' leads. If we get a ruling, I'll certainly change it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Buzzbait
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It's 30 rounds. I took out the 1980 categories and replaced them with wild cards.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I can take AA's spot if needed. I haven't done any research at this point so it may take a bit for me to get going.Guys, I'd better bail. I won't add anything to the terrific discussion and really don't want to hold people up at any point or be on skip, etc. I'll lurk instead and see if judges are needed at the end.
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