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1970s music draft- Link to google spreadsheet in first post (2 Viewers)

otb_lifer said:
i couldn't get enough of this album  :thumbup:

man, "Eton Rifles:, "Little Boy Soldiers", "Private Hell", "Saturday's Kids"  ... such powerfully constructed, epic tunes.

was overshadowed in '79 by "London Calling", but i prefer this Jam classic over the more celebrated Clash offering  :shrug:
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It's amazing that Weller was 21 & writing songs like this

 
HellToupee said:
It's amazing that Weller was 21 & writing songs like this
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he's the unsung hero of the punk/post punk era, that's for damn sure ... don't think there was one other person so singularly vital to their group's success and genius from that whole class  

 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
You are right, i didnt read the thread. Ive been in almost every music draft on this board though and know that ELO is about as popular as a wet fart. Obviously the comment was in jest.

As for all my lovers listening to Depeche Mode live at Hollywood bowl, im not sure what to make of that. For the record i only seem to attract women who arent into music. Strange really. My wife likes music about as much i like right wing politicians. 
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True that (I'm guessing wet - as opposed to dry - is not the popular one.)

Sadly, only one ELO mention in 5 rounds. 

 
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Even though it's a weekend, I can be skipped at the moment to keep things moving. Will make a pick later on today.

 
simey said:
I love that album, and she wrote or co-wrote over half of the songs on the 15 track album.
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Hate it, hate Donna Summer, hate (for the most part) Disco. Too repetitive and monotonous for me and my plaid bell bottom's my tastes.

 
5.11 Idlewild South - The Allman Brothers Band (1970 album)

Everyone loves Fillmore East and rightfully so, but this record shows how good these guys were in the studio. No one at the time sounded like them, Gregg Allman's vocals made dudes like Plant and Ozzie sound like 3rd-graders. The rhythm section was like a freight train run off the rails while the nuke aboard was glowing. These were full-grown men not messing around with Elves and faux-Satanic worship, but matters of the everyday - sex, death, and spiritual. "Revival", "Midnight Rider", and "Elizabeth Reed" are the classics here but don't sleep on the rest. 

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John Maddens Lunchbox said:
 
Judging movies is a nightmare, music  :lmao:

I am interested in the punk/post punk album and single categories, but have some questions. This may have been discussed, but it's difficult to wade through 19 pages of ELO worship.

Question 1. Where tf does electronic music fit into the topics? Hard rock and soft rock is out. Funk and soul are too. Disco would be a terrible fit. Punk/ post punk would apply, but that depends on the answer to question 2

Question 2. When does punk start? If you say 1977 then you would be wrong. Do you go back to iggy and the Stooges? MC5, New York Dolls, Neu! Etc

If it is 1969, 1970 or 71 then almost everyone is post punk or do you mean post punk as in New Wave etc ie post 77?

If i am judging i have to set criteria or Hillary doesn't win it is impossible to give guidelines to drafters.
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1. Electronic music does not fit into the topics. And do you know why this is? Because it ####### sucks that's why! That crap destroyed 80s music and this is why the 70s are better. I suppose if someone wants it they can take it in wildcard, but I swear I am kicking out of the draft the first guy who takes a Kraftwerk album.  :P

2. If you would like to judge punk/post punk  then why don't you decide this? There is no set rules on stuff like that. Some would say the Stooges were punk, others would say they were forerunners and punk began with the Ramones, Sex Pistols and the Clash. If I were the judge I wouldn't quibble but instead rank every pick based on my opinion of the quality of the music. But feel free to use your own criteria, so long as it is consistently applied. 

 
And the main reason I like to have judging in these drafts is not to produce some ultimate "winner" (though that's fun) but to continue the discussion of music involving a comparison of the picks. Usually rankings lead to a much more involved discussion and debate, which is one of the main purposes of this draft (the other is to introduce me to new music- a very selfish but worthwhile goal!) 

 
Uruk-Hai said:
:wub:

One of the indelible memories of my teen years is watching her sing a song on American Bandstand in a teddy.

That said, she was a formidable talent and not some producer's puppet. As simey said, she had a big hand in the creation of most of the songs on this album - and (surprise!) it's her best. She was doomed, though, in the general public's eye having already been labeled a disco singer. "Call Me' was a blatant Summer ripoff and Pat Benetar's entire career was basically rewriting "Hot Stuff". As much as I hate genre labels, Summer was much more a "rock" singer than she was disco or R&B. 




 
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I "did her" quite a bit back then.  

She was fantastic.  

 
Make-up pick:

5.10: Q. Are We Not Men? A. We Are Devo!, Devo (punk/post-punk album)

Devo's 1978 debut was still a popular party album when I was in college 10-12 years after it's release. Didn't really seem to like punk rock, exactly ... but was it 'new wave' yet? Are We Not Men is one of those albums where you can hear Devo straddling two genres, bridging what can seem in retrospect like a significant gap (see also Sabbath's Paranoid bridging blues into heavy metal) when you compare, say, The Ramones' and Duran Duran's respective debuts. The most commonly recognized ingredients differentiating punk from new wave are (a) the use of synthesizers and (b) cleaner production. With Brian Eno (fresh off Talking Heads '77) running the board in the studio, Devo applies the synth brush lightly here. Are We Not Men is still primarily a guitar-driven album (and sometimes bass takes the wheel as on "Shrivel Up"). Obviously, we all know (now) with Devo that the synth was coming later on, in spades.

In 2016, among casual music fans, Devo's stripped-down cover of "Satisfaction" is probably the best-known track. The A & B sides of the band's first independent single (while still named "De-Evolution") -- 1977's "Mongoloid"  and "Jocko Homo" -- are also included. "Jocko Homo", BTW, is essentially the title track, with the album's titled pulled from the repeating callback lyrics. Best tracks to listen to these days, IMHO, are "Uncontrollable Urge", "Gut Feeling/Slap Your Mammy" (the back half of which is the band's final goodbye to punk as punk), and "Shrivel-Up". "Urge", especially, could be released today and still sound fresh. Not that putting out an all-time record was on Devo's bucket list at the time or anything.

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I almost took Devo instead of the Ramones for my punk/post-whatever record, but I hated this record so much back then. In retrospect, it wasn't because of the album itself but the #######s I ran with who thought it was so cool - the same guys who came all over Billy Joel's latest, would take "Pop Musik" to #1, and only liked "Flashlight" because they thought it was ironic (it was, but not in the way that they thought it was; it was hard to be dumber than I was in those days but they were). 

Anyway, good pick and it probably should have been taken earlier

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I almost took Devo instead of the Ramones for my punk/post-whatever record, but I hated this record so much back then. In retrospect, it wasn't because of the album itself but the #######s I ran with who thought it was so cool - the same guys who came all over Billy Joel's latest, would take "Pop Musik" to #1, and only liked "Flashlight" because they thought it was ironic (it was, but not in the way that they thought it was; it was hard to be dumber than I was in those days but they were). 

Anyway, good pick and it probably should have been taken earlier
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Ditto for me. And I took the Talking Heads for my choice, but it was a close call between them and this Devo album.

 
I'm listening to Sirius XM's replay of Casey Kasem's AT40 for this week's chart in 1976. Interesting how perspectives have changed

 
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Doug B said:
Make-up pick:

5.10: Q. Are We Not Men? A. We Are Devo!, Devo (punk/post-punk album)

Devo's 1978 debut was still a popular party album when I was in college 10-12 years after it's release. Didn't really seem to like punk rock, exactly ... but was it 'new wave' yet? Are We Not Men is one of those albums where you can hear Devo straddling two genres, bridging what can seem in retrospect like a significant gap (see also Sabbath's Paranoid bridging blues into heavy metal) when you compare, say, The Ramones' and Duran Duran's respective debuts. The most commonly recognized ingredients differentiating punk from new wave are (a) the use of synthesizers and (b) cleaner production. With Brian Eno (fresh off Talking Heads '77) running the board in the studio, Devo applies the synth brush lightly here. Are We Not Men is still primarily a guitar-driven album (and sometimes bass takes the wheel as on "Shrivel Up"). Obviously, we all know (now) with Devo that the synth was coming later on, in spades.

In 2016, among casual music fans, Devo's stripped-down cover of "Satisfaction" is probably the best-known track. The A & B sides of the band's first independent single (while still named "De-Evolution") -- 1977's "Mongoloid"  and "Jocko Homo" -- are also included. "Jocko Homo", BTW, is essentially the title track, with the album's titled pulled from the repeating callback lyrics. Best tracks to listen to these days, IMHO, are "Uncontrollable Urge", "Gut Feeling/Slap Your Mammy" (the back half of which is the band's final goodbye to punk as punk), and "Shrivel-Up". "Urge", especially, could be released today and still sound fresh. Not that putting out an all-time record was on Devo's bucket list at the time or anything.

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Beauty Doug.  I wore this album out.  

ETA:  Also was a big Chi Chi fan at the time.  How can you go wrong?

 
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I never heard back from anyone on an earlier question.  

If an album is released late in a year and really known for charting the following year ...can you use it for either year?

 
At the risk of spotlighting, there's a beautiful Eno song called "Everything Merges With the Night" that I love to listen to. 

 
I don't know if younger folks know how much this record marked a change. Most had never heard "Anarchy In The UK", but all of white suburbia heard "Rappers Delight"

 
5.14   Neil Young - 'Tonight's the Night'  (1975 album) 

i love music that is pure and edgy .. i mostly prefer the 'punch in the face' rockin' #### ... but this hits in a different spot - an unrelenting gut shot that leaves you drained and bewildered.

it is such a raw album, hastily cobbled together in the wake of great personal grief for Neil.  sparse production, a sense of being in the studio as it's spilled out, note after harrowing note.

and it's beautiful to me for those reasons ... he drags us along on an intense journey of despair, sadness, regret .. and anger.  

it's as dark and desolate as any goth or post punk album in my collection ... and being that i was exposed to this at an early age, it cultivated my love for that aspect of music. such an impact. i'm grateful that he found it in himself to not only chronicle this period, but to make such an unforgiving aural opus out of it.  a snapshot of an artist at his most vulnerable and tattered ... yet still prolific. 

personal on many levels, mostly that we lost an awful lot of young people in the old neighborhood to the ravages of heroin addiction. i remember the older kids speaking of Neil and his songs relating to addiction and abuse.  when i was old enough to finally borrow this album from my babysitter, she warned me that the only 'hit' i was gonna experience was my body hitting the floor.

it has remained a go to 'listen' for me when the mood is right ... and i can't think of any other album i've owned that better fits that description for me ... it's singular in it's majestic, atmospheric brilliance.

 
timschochet said:
1. Electronic music does not fit into the topics. And do you know why this is? Because it ####### sucks that's why! That crap destroyed 80s music and this is why the 70s are better. I suppose if someone wants it they can take it in wildcard, but I swear I am kicking out of the draft the first guy who takes a Kraftwerk album.  :P

2. If you would like to judge punk/post punk  then why don't you decide this? There is no set rules on stuff like that. Some would say the Stooges were punk, others would say they were forerunners and punk began with the Ramones, Sex Pistols and the Clash. If I were the judge I wouldn't quibble but instead rank every pick based on my opinion of the quality of the music. But feel free to use your own criteria, so long as it is consistently applied. 
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1. You like Charlene's I've never been to me. Case ####### closed. Electronic music is urban blues. If you choose to listen to ####ty stuff thats your problem. Electronic music today is stronger than ever thanks to its forefathers. If you want boring 2d music, listen to your crap. 

2. Full rules will be decided later, but i can say that rule number 1. Any Kraftwerk album from the 70s post Autobahn will be judged VERY favorably as post punk. Autobahn is a glorified novelty record.

 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
1. You like Charlene's I've never been to me. Case ####### closed. Electronic music is urban blues. If you choose to listen to ####ty stuff thats your problem. Electronic music today is stronger than ever thanks to its forefathers. If you want boring 2d music, listen to your crap. 

2. Full rules will be decided later, but i can say that rule number 1. Any Kraftwerk album from the 70s post Autobahn will be judged VERY favorably as post punk. Autobahn is a glorified novelty record.
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"I've spent my live explorin' the subtle whorin'"= the greatest ####### lyrics ever! 

 
jwb said:
Yup, this song changed everything. 
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Not necessarily for the best in my opinion...I find rap limited in many respects...that's a topic for another thread...another random observation that may or may not be related, but rock in the 70s was more racially integrated....

 
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