1st ACTUAL topic: Any good reason NOT to take Johan Santana #1? (1 Viewer)

[MelvinTScupper]

Curious to see what my NEW besibol forum members think.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

any hispanic is a good choice at #1

 

[AcerFC]

The age old question of league rules comes up.

H2H or Roto

 

[MelvinTScupper]

The age old question of league rules comes up.H2H or Roto

But in this case, I'm not sure it matters.I have him in an H2H, and it's stupid what his single start does each week. When he has 2 starts? Lights out when he's on.In Roto, he's a slam dunk in every cat.Again, what's the argument against? The only one I can think of is that there will be limited availability of a 1B with major power avail to you at #24-28

 

[Funkley]

Hi Scupper,

I think that Santana is really the #2 pick these days as Pujols is still the runaway 1st choice. If Santana is Manning then Pujols is Tomlinson.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Hi Scupper, I think that Santana is really the #2 pick these days as Pujols is still the runaway 1st choice. If Santana is Manning then Pujols is Tomlinson.

I'd like to know on a VBD basis if this makes sense. Where are the math nerds?

 

[AcerFC]

The age old question of league rules comes up.H2H or Roto

But in this case, I'm not sure it matters.I have him in an H2H, and it's stupid what his single start does each week. When he has 2 starts? Lights out when he's on.In Roto, he's a slam dunk in every cat.Again, what's the argument against? The only one I can think of is that there will be limited availability of a 1B with major power avail to you at #24-28

I think by taking him 1st in a H2H league you are losing a lot in terms of not having a bat. Depending on how many teams are in your league you may have to wait 23 picks until it gets back to you. You leave yourself open to not getting a top flight bat. I took Johan with the 7th pick in a 10 team league (I know, I dont love them either but we couldnt find 2 more) and then was lucky enough to get Vlad coming back. I just feel like on the weeks he gets one start he may only produce 15-20 points when a bat at 1 gives you 30-40 every week (depedning on point system)

 

[Chase Stuart]

I haven't played in a fantasy scoring league (read: non-roto) in years, and point system matters a ton. But I'll say this: back when Pedro and Big Unit were in their primes, they were worth the #1 pick.

Note: this was a total points league, not H2H. That could make a difference.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

The age old question of league rules comes up.H2H or Roto

But in this case, I'm not sure it matters.I have him in an H2H, and it's stupid what his single start does each week. When he has 2 starts? Lights out when he's on.In Roto, he's a slam dunk in every cat.Again, what's the argument against? The only one I can think of is that there will be limited availability of a 1B with major power avail to you at #24-28

I think by taking him 1st in a H2H league you are losing a lot in terms of not having a bat. Depending on how many teams are in your league you may have to wait 23 picks until it gets back to you. You leave yourself open to not getting a top flight bat. I took Johan with the 7th pick in a 10 team league (I know, I dont love them either but we couldnt find 2 more) and then was lucky enough to get Vlad coming back. I just feel like on the weeks he gets one start he may only produce 15-20 points when a bat at 1 gives you 30-40 every week (depedning on point system)

Yeah, it will be dependent on the point system. 1 normal start for Johan in my HTH league = 25-35 points. 2 normal starts = 40-70 points. No bat can match that outside the top 3-4 players, and they TEND to be streakier than Johan.

 

[Spiderman]

The age old question of league rules comes up.H2H or Roto

But in this case, I'm not sure it matters.I have him in an H2H, and it's stupid what his single start does each week. When he has 2 starts? Lights out when he's on.In Roto, he's a slam dunk in every cat.Again, what's the argument against? The only one I can think of is that there will be limited availability of a 1B with major power avail to you at #24-28

I think by taking him 1st in a H2H league you are losing a lot in terms of not having a bat. Depending on how many teams are in your league you may have to wait 23 picks until it gets back to you. You leave yourself open to not getting a top flight bat. I took Johan with the 7th pick in a 10 team league (I know, I dont love them either but we couldnt find 2 more) and then was lucky enough to get Vlad coming back. I just feel like on the weeks he gets one start he may only produce 15-20 points when a bat at 1 gives you 30-40 every week (depedning on point system)

Yeah, it will be dependent on the point system. 1 normal start for Johan in my HTH league = 25-35 points. 2 normal starts = 40-70 points. No bat can match that outside the top 3-4 players, and they TEND to be streakier than Johan.

Santana may be the exception to the rule - I take closers and hitters, and then will pick up free agents who are pitching 2x. If they can give me at least a 25 in 2 starts, I'll take it.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

The age old question of league rules comes up.H2H or Roto

But in this case, I'm not sure it matters.I have him in an H2H, and it's stupid what his single start does each week. When he has 2 starts? Lights out when he's on.In Roto, he's a slam dunk in every cat.Again, what's the argument against? The only one I can think of is that there will be limited availability of a 1B with major power avail to you at #24-28

I think by taking him 1st in a H2H league you are losing a lot in terms of not having a bat. Depending on how many teams are in your league you may have to wait 23 picks until it gets back to you. You leave yourself open to not getting a top flight bat. I took Johan with the 7th pick in a 10 team league (I know, I dont love them either but we couldnt find 2 more) and then was lucky enough to get Vlad coming back. I just feel like on the weeks he gets one start he may only produce 15-20 points when a bat at 1 gives you 30-40 every week (depedning on point system)

Yeah, it will be dependent on the point system. 1 normal start for Johan in my HTH league = 25-35 points. 2 normal starts = 40-70 points. No bat can match that outside the top 3-4 players, and they TEND to be streakier than Johan.

Santana may be the exception to the rule - I take closers and hitters, and then will pick up free agents who are pitching 2x. If they can give me at least a 25 in 2 starts, I'll take it.

I tend to do the same. In my head to head league, Closers are actually more valuable that most starting pitchers (ive complained but they wont change) and actually make up 9 of the top 17 scoring pitchers last year so this year i took BJ Ryan, Jenks, Lidge and Street to be my stud pitchers. I then will pick 3 of Clemens Buhrle, Conterars and Cabrera as starters or grab a 2 start pitcher from the waiver wire.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

Poo-hole should be the 1st overall pick in 99% of the leagues.

 

[eoMMan]

I wouldn't.

IMO, the top pitchers are a lot more risky (both injury and performance) than the top hitters. Go back and look at past years of the top ten offensive players and the top ten pitchers. I don't have data in front of me, but I'm willing to bet that the 1st round offensive stud hitters stayed 1st round studs more so than those top pitchers.

It's just too risky to take a pitcher at #1, even if Johan is a beast.