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Interesting to hear the homers' thoughts on this:

Buccaneers | Sowell to start at fullback

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:36:45 -0700

Buccaneers.com reports recently signed Tampa Bay Buccaneers FB Jerald Sowell will step right in as the starting fullback. He replaces FB Jameel Cook, who signed with the Houston Texans. Sowell should add durability, versatility and elite lead-blocking skills to the team.

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Where does Alstott fit in - isn't he technically the starting FB?

 
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Ya Im surprised they said that, Ive always been under the impression that Alstott was our starting fb. I figured they made the move considering Alstott will not be around for much longer.

 
Alstott will be the goal line back? I don't think Bruce and JG give a crap about giving him pt this year after paying him double the money of any FB in the league.

 
With Woodson signing with GB it highly increases the chances of a 1st day CB. There were also talks of a trade for Dwight Smith that may have some validity now.

 
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I'd like to get Dwight back for a low rounder, with him, Will Allen, Phillips, Ronde and Kelly that'd be a heck of a defensive backfield. Woodson would have been nice, but Dwight certainly hits harder (i.e. Toomer hit in the endzone)

Alstott isn't our fullback, he's our H-back. Kind of a utility running abck that can catch out of the backfield or be a short-yardage guy. Sowell is a better lead blocker so he'll take all of the traditional fullback duties.

 
I am hearing Tampa, KC, and NE are all in the running for Ashley Lelie. I would assume Denver would rather trade him to a NFC team than have to face him in the playoffs against NE. Trading in the same division is just stupid.

I will take him for a 4th :hey:

 
Lelie would probably command a second. I do love the speed though.

Personally, I'd rather not see Dwight Smith back here.

 
:no: :no: :no: :no:

So what do we want NO to do?

I kind of want them to get Bush, as opposed to trading down. I think our D has the speed to stop him, and they still have tons of voids.

I would hate to see them bank on this and get multiple first rounders.

 
I pay a lot of money for my seats each year. Making New Orleans interesting to watch wouldn't suck.

Draft Reggie.

 
The Saints adding Bush would actually make the team more marketable and more attractive. Being a TB homer, the scenario would only make the Bucs divisional triumph in 06 a bit more challenging. Rock on.

I say go defense in Round 1.

 
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I wouldn't be so worried about 06, as they still have plenty of holes to fill. I would be concerned if they get AJ Hawk & someone like Mangold. That could make them a contender very fast.

 
Guard just isn't a need. Buenning is very solid, and they have Mahan, Terry and that fat slug they signed this off-season to compete for RG. If you wanted to go OL, go tackle.

Just doesn't make sense.

 
Guard just isn't a need. Buenning is very solid, and they have Mahan, Terry and that fat slug they signed this off-season to compete for RG. If you wanted to go OL, go tackle.

Just doesn't make sense.
Hopefully, Joseph ends up being great at run blocking.
 
Guard just isn't a need. Buenning is very solid, and they have Mahan, Terry and that fat slug they signed this off-season to compete for RG. If you wanted to go OL, go tackle.

Just doesn't make sense.
Hopefully, Joseph ends up being great at run blocking.
I hope so. I've heard he was the best guard in this draft. I'm sure it'll work out in regards to the running game.That line is going to have an assload of depth this year.

 
Strengths:

Has a wide frame and long arms...Is a pretty good athlete and moves well inside at guard...Tough and very strong...Packs quite an initial punch...Aggressive and plays with a nasty demeanor on the field...Smart and very technically sound...Is effective as both a run and pass blocker...A hard worker with excellent intangibles who really wants to improve...Has a lot of experience against top competition.

Weaknesses:

Lacks great height...Footwork is only average...Becomes much less effective and doesn't look nearly as athletic when asked to move outside...Can do a better job of getting to the second level...Can improve his conditioning to help increase stamina...Struggled a little when he was moved to left tackle as a senior in '05.

Notes:

Could possibly see some time at tackle but is a much better fit at guard...Has been overshadowed throughout his career but has consistently graded out very high for one of the better offensive lines in the nation...Should start very early on.

Pros: Joseph lined up at left tackle as a senior after starting at guard since late in his freshman season. He projects at guard as a pro and has nice mobility and functional strength that may allow him to start early. He comes off the line with a strong pop to move a defender. He is technically sound and sustains his blocks the full play. He has fine balance, power and sturdy base. He is adept at driving defenders off the line. He is the go-for-the-throat type who finishes his blocks and buries defenders. He is a good hand-fighter that knows how to use leverage and proper blocking angle. As a run blocker he is tough, aggressive and flashes outstanding power with the tenacity and grit to be effective inside. He anchors well in pass protection and shows the agility to move to either side to contain rushers and counter moves. As a pass blocker, he can move laterally, slide his feet and switch off his block when he sees the blitz coming. He is a team-guy who is highly coachable.

Cons: His aggressive demeanor can be too extreme at times.

Numbers:: At the Combine he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.09 seconds with a 37” vertical jump and a 10’3” broad jump. He did 24 reps in the 225-pound bench press.

 
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From Pat Kirwin:

6. Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma: Talking with Joseph was like talking to an NFL line coach. He's played against the best, remembers everything about every opponent he faced in his four years at Oklahoma, and has an opinion about all of them. Successful NFL offensive linemen usually are some of the brightest guys on a team and Joseph will fit right into that mold. He recalled little subtleties about Oregon's Haloti Ngata from his junior year, stunts that former USC defensive tackle Shaun Cody used in the Orange Bowl two seasons ago, and what his blocking plan would be when he faces Michigan's Gabe Watson again. Any team who interviewed Joseph walked away knowing he was a sure bet to have a long NFL career
hmmm...starting to come around on this a bit.
 
more..

Davin Joseph OG/OT Oklahoma StrengthsDavin has very long arms for his size. He has excellent mental toughness and has quick feet. He has very good balance and strength and is an excellent pulling guard. Davin has the foot speed to go out to the second level and get the LB as well as the quickness and strength to handle the passing game. This year, he’s playing left tackle and although he is struggling, he is improving from week to week and by the end of the year, I suspect that he’ll be considered a very good LT.Needs to ImproveIf he’s being scouted as a left tackle, then he is a work in progress that should work out fine. His true position is guard and as a guard, he is a top 15 player in this draft before the juniors declare.Bottom LineAlmost every time Adrian Peterson made a big running play last year, Davin threw the main block. It was either a trap block or a pull around the left or right tackle or a combo block against a LB that sprung Adrian for that big gain up the middle. I don’t say this very often if a player can play the LT position, but Davin is too good an impacting guard in the run and pass game to move to LT. Draft him and plug him in at the left or right guard position and you will have a Pro Bowler for the next ten years. Don’t be foolish and try to make him a LT when he is a natural at the guard position. Yes, he could be a decent LT in a couple of years, but why do you want a decent LT when you can have an impacting Pro Bowl guard right away? I was the only one that told you about Logan Mankins last year and this year, I’m telling you about Davin Joseph. If your team picks him in the draft, consider yourselves very lucky.
 
I think it's a great pick. He appears to be a flexble O-lineman, so it will give us depth. Last year was a nightmare in TC, at one time we didn't even have 2 full stings of O-line.

PR did a good article last week saying not to be surprised if the Buc's go guard. They said it was the position that could have the greatest immediate impact assuming Walker and Davis play the tackles as well as last year.

Maybe one of the top OT's will still be there when our 2nd comes up.

 
I'm in the same boat as everyone else...expected Justice, Holmes, or Jackson. But the more I read and hear about Joseph, the more I love the pick.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network is raving that he fits the Bucs "to a tee"....and he loved the Carnell pick last year.

Mahan can now move back to center, where he belongs.

Everyone is saying DJ is a 10-year starter...so tt's obvious to me that we took the conservative route to avoid any big mistakes...even if it meant overpaying a little.

 
Ended up taking a LT with the 2nd pick, Jeremy Trueblood.

Looks like almost every team in the league is thinking defense and TB is going the opposite direction and trying to find value on the O-line.

 
Longtime Bucs fan here and question for other buc fans. What is the deal with Colmer out of NC State last year? He was a good player in college but for his shoulder injury. I don't remember him playing much if at all last year and if he is fully healthy, he should be in the mix too. I was secretly hoping that the bucs would go with Santonio Holmes today in the first round because I have never been really sold on Michael Clayton. Anyone have any opinions?

 
I loved the Stovall pick. I don't know anything about the OT, but he's getting good reviews. Love what they're doing here to beef up the oline for Caddy and Simms.

Stovall:

From Scott Reynolds at Pewter Report:

The Bucs really like this guy's physical presence in the pass game and the run game. He's an imposing figure at 6-foot-4, 219 pounds and has great leaping ability. I spoke with Jon Gruden and he got that twinkle in his eye when he was telling me about using Michael Clayton and Maurice Stovall together in the red zone because of their height and leaping ability.

The key to Stovall's breakout senior season was him dropping weight per Charlie Weis' request. That showed the Bucs that he was coachable and had the drive to improve himself. Stovall went from 235 to 219 and improved his quickness, speed and endurance. He runs a 4.5 in the 40-yard dash, which is good for a player with his size.

Stovall is guy with a professional attitude who takes football extremely seriously. He is also eager and willing to play special teams. He doesn't have a prima donna attitude like some wide receivers have. This guy is a worker and will make an impact as a rookie.
Strengths:

Has tremendous size and knows how to use his large frame...Has great body control and can make the acrobatic catch...Leaper who will go up and get the ball at its highest point...Strong and physical...Willing blocker who does a tremendous job in that area...Not afraid to go over the middle...A bit of a long strider who is deceptively fast...Came through with a huge senior season under Charlie Weis.

Weaknesses:

Lacks elite speed / quickness and may have trouble separating from DB's at the next level...Didn't really emerge and play up to his potential until recently...Needs to keep his weight in check like he did as a senior...Will not do much in terms of yards after the catch...Will have concentration lapses...Doesn't seem to have natural hands and will drop some balls...Might only be a posession receiver.

Notes:

Could potentially bulk up and become a tight end or H-Back in the pros...With his size and ability this guy can be a terror to cover in the red zone...Intriguing prospect whose stock is on the rise thanks to a breakout season in 2005
 
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SUMMARY Trueblood was a very frustrating player to grade because he no doubt has the talent to be a dominant offensive tackle, but gets beaten by lesser athletes more than he should. For a 6-foot-8 offensive tackle, he has very quick feet and can get out of his stance and set to block very quickly. He can pull and lead block effectively on outside runs and does a surprisingly good job of making the trap/wham block to contain defensive ends. He has the long arms and natural strength to be a real force in pass protection when he gets after his man aggressively. He has the strong punch to control and eliminate defensive ends. Once he locks up on his man with both arms/hands, it is just about always over because of his natural strength. But the trouble is that right before getting a hold of his man, he has a tendency to stop his feet and not stay after the block, which leads to him losing the block. Overall, Trueblood needs to crank up his aggressiveness and bend his knees when he blocks to block up to his talent level. When he gets to the NFL where every defensive end has as much athleticism as he does, Trueblood will raise his level of intensity and will be a very good right tackle that can also do a good job at left tackle. He just needs to crank it up a notch and must stay after and finish his blocks much more consistently in the NFL. CRITICAL FACTORS Size Play Strength Play Speed Initial Quickness Competes Instincts 7.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 STRONG POINTS Trueblood is a very tall offensive tackle with the combination of very quick feet, long arms and very good natural strength that is hard to find. He has a very heavy punch and can knock defensive ends backward and virtually stops them in their tracks when he uses his hands aggressively. He has the quick feet to slide out to the corner to cut off speed/edge rushers and can slide inside to handle the initial inside pass-rush move. He can drive defensive ends down the line of scrimmage on down/side blocks when he blocks aggressively. He can pull/trap effectively and does a good job of staying under control and over feet to maintain blocks in space. WEAKNESSES Trueblood does not consistently play up to his ability. He does not punch consistently in pass protection and lets aggressive pass rushers get into his chest. He can be jolted backward too easily for such a big offensive tackle. He pass blocks straight legged too often and struggles to change direction and adjust to quick inside moves consistently. He stops his shuffle too soon against edge rushers and ends up crossing over and chasing them around the corner too often. He does not run block aggressively on every snap and struggles to consistently get movement on in-line run blocks. POSITIONAL FACTORS Grade Category Comments/Description 6.0 Foot Agility Has good foot agility to adjust, re-direct and change directions in pass protection when he plays with bent knees. 6.0 Initial Quickness Consistently gets out of the stance and set to block fast -- can slide out to cut off speed/edge rushers. 6.0 Play Strength Can be dominant at point of attack when he plays aggressively, but he does not play up to natural strength consistently. 6.0 Run Block In-Line He does not always get movement on in-line run blocks, but he does consistently keep his man from impacting play. 6.0 Run Block Space He does a good job of bending knees, staying under control and blocking man out in space. 6.0 Pass Protection He is often very good, but for an offensive tackle with his talent he gets beaten way too often. 6.5 Quick Set-Pass Protection When he sets quickly and gets his hands on defensive ends fast, he can be a dominant blocker at the point of attack. 6.0 Shuffle & Slide Can slide out very quickly in one direction, but is inconsistent re-directing/adjusting when he blocks straight legged. 5.5 Punch/Hand-Use Has a strong and powerful punch to jolt defensive ends backward, but he does not consistently punch. 6.0 Vs. Power Rush Very good when he punches and blocks with leverage, but needs to do it more consistently. 5.5 Vs. Speed Rush Can slide out to cut off speed/edge rusher, but stops shuffle, crosses over and chases too often. 5.0 Errors He makes the error of stopping feet and not staying after and finishing blocks on every snap. ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.0 Trueblood is a good athlete who seems even more athletic because of how well he moves for a 6-foot-8 offensive tackle. He has very quick feet and can slide out to protect the corner from speed/edge rushers and can get through to the second level to block linebackers well. He has the natural flexibility to bend his knees and pass block with leverage, and when he does, he can re-direct and slide inside to cut off the quick inside move. However, he does not consistently bend his knees to block with leverage, and when he blocks straight-legged, he struggles to change directions quickly. He is a coordinated athlete who does a very good job of staying under control when he is on the move, which helps him block well when he pulls/traps. Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.5 COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0 Trueblood is definitely tough when it comes to playing through pain and staying in the starting lineup, but he does not attack the defensive line consistently. Despite not always playing aggressively, Trueblood has consistently stepped up his play on the most important downs and eliminates his man. His overall production is good, but when he plays with bent knees and aggressiveness, his production is very good. His production suffers when he plays up high, does not attack the defender and does not stay after and finish the block consistently. He is a good team player when it comes to staying in the lineup and fighting through pain. He has pride in his play and generally does not quit in terms of hustle, but he has a bad habit of stopping his feet once he makes contact in pass protection and gets beaten by the secondary pass-rush moves. Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit 6.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 6.0 5.5 MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 5.5 Trueblood is a smart football player who learns well -- you can tell by the way he uses his hands and his consistency staying under control when he blocks in space. His good instincts and very quick feet help him to react fast when he keeps his knees bent and keeps his feet moving. But when he blocks straight legged, he struggles to adjust and react quickly, and because he stops his feet at contact on blocks, he does not react quickly to the secondary pass rush moves. The biggest concern about Trueblood's mentality is his tendency to lose focus/concentration during games, which leads to him losing blocks too often. Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration 6.5 5.5 5.5 STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.5 He has excellent size for an offensive tackle and actually looks more filled out than his measured weight. He has been a tremendously durable player at Boston College, and with his size and willingness to play with pain, he should be an extremely durable NFL offensive tackle. Despite having quick feet and good athleticism, Trueblood is not an explosive player -- he does not fire/explode off the ball. The only area he shows explosiveness is in his punch in pass protection. He snaps his hands out in punch and delivers a very hard and powerful punch to knock defensive ends backward. His playing strength is very good when he blocks aggressively, but when he blocks up high and does not use hands to keep defensive ends from getting to his chest, he can be jolted and pushed around at the point of attack. Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength 7.0 7.0 5.5 6.0
 
I really love the late pick of Stovall too! Best pick of the draft for TB imo. I think the line will be solid now this year and Stovall may be a nice third option in the passing game this year for Simms. As for Day 2, thinking they may want to try and sure up some depth on Defense tomorrow.

 
SUMMARY Joseph was a fun player to grade because few offensive linemen have his raw natural strength to be a dominant blocker at the point of attack. While it is always a real concern when an offensive lineman does not block aggressively and play with a sense of urgency on every snap, I believe it is mostly due to Joseph being so much more talented than nearly every defensive lineman he blocks in college. He has very quick feet for such a big, thick-bodied offensive lineman and can block out in space much better than expected when he bends his knees and blocks with a wide base. He has the unusual natural strength to be a dominant and controlling blocker at the point of attack, and can both torque and toss defensive tackles, or can drive them off the ball. Overall, Joseph reminds me a lot of former San Diego Chargers guard Toniu Fonoti in terms of natural strength, but Joseph does not have Fonoti's weight concerns. However, he also does not block with the aggressiveness that Fonoti does. It will take a season or two for Joseph to become the guard he is capable of, but in a season or two, he should be a very good starting guard who physically dominates the defensive tackle consistently. CRITICAL FACTORS Size Play Strength Play Speed Initial Quickness Competes Instincts 7.0 7.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 STRONG POINTS Joseph is a very strong guard who can be physically dominant when he attacks defensive linemen. He has the flexibility to bend his knees and block with a wide base, and when he does, he can slide and shuffle well in pass protection and can stay on and maintain his block in space. He has the quick feet and playing speed to get through the line of scrimmage to block a linebacker on the second level and to pull and lead block on outside runs. WEAKNESSES Joseph does not play with a sense of urgency on a consistent basis and it leads to him not playing up to his ability. Defensive tackles with less athleticism beat him more than they should. He has a tendency to block upright and with straight legs, and ends up bending at the waist and leaning and reaching to make and maintain contact on blocks. He does not punch often in pass protection, which lets the defensive tackle get into his chest. In the NFL, he will get pushed around at the point of attack if he does not learn to punch better. POSITIONAL FACTORS Grade Category Comments/Description 6.5 Foot Agility When he blocks with a good, wide base, his agility helps him slide and shuffle well. 6.0 Initial Quickness He can be very good, but he does not always burst off the ball and set to block fast. 7.0 Play Strength Even when he does not use good technique, he has the natural strength to be good. 6.0 Run Block In-Line He can be dominant, but needs to block aggressively every snap to do so. 6.0 Run Block Space He gets through to the second level very easily, and when he bends his knees, he can maintain in space. 6.0 Pass Protection He is good in pass protection now, and can be excellent once he learns to use his hands. 6.5 Quick Set-Pass Protection On quick sets, he bends his knees, blocks with a wide base and eliminates his man. 6.0 Shuffle & Slide He's not always pretty and smooth, but very good when he blocks with a wide base. 5.5 Punch/Hand-Use He just about never punches, but once he gets a hold of the defensive tackle, he can eliminate his man. 6.5 Vs. Power Rush Despite his inconsistency, he finds a way to stop power rushers on the line of scrimmage. 6.0 Vs. Speed Rush He struggles changing directions fast when he blocks upright and straight-legged. 5.5 Errors He does not keep his focus, which leads to him getting beat more than he should. ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.5 Joseph is a very good athlete for such a thick-bodied and well-built guard, but he does not have the feet and athleticism to play tackle nearly as well as guard. He can get through to the second level quickly to deliver a good blow to the linebacker and can bend his knees to block with a wide base, which helps him to stay on and maintain block in space. He has the playing speed to pull and make blocks on outside runs. He has very good flexibility, and when he maintains focus, he can bend his knees and block with leverage and a very good, wide base. When he plays with his knees bent, he can slide quickly side-to-side to adjust in pass protection. Overall, he is a very good athlete, but does not play like one all the time because he does not consistently play with a sense of urgency. Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.5 6.5 COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.5 Joseph's toughness has enabled him to consistently stay in the lineup despite a variety of painful dings, but he does not consistently display a tough/aggressive attitude on the field. He does an excellent job of ratcheting up his level of intensity on the most important plays and usually is physically dominant when he does. His overall production is very good, but it really varies from excellent at times to adequate at other times, and it is almost always linked directly to the sense of urgency with which he plays. When he bends his knees, blocks with leverage and really gets after his blocks aggressively, he is a very productive guard, but is never as productive when he has to slide out and play tackle. He is a team player. He stayed at Oklahoma for his senior season when he could have been a high draft pick after his junior season, but on the field he is not always the highly competitive, no-quit offensive lineman coaches seek. Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit 6.0 7.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 5.5 MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 5.5 Joseph seems to be a smart player because he was able to switch between guard and tackle in many games and was productive at both spots. However it is a concern that his use of hands in pass protection and technique is not nearly as good as it needs to be. He has very good instincts, but he does not always react quickly. When he blocks upright and with straight legs, he struggles to slide quickly side-to-side to react. Another big concern is that Joseph tends to lose his focus/concentration during the game, and it causes him to play without aggression and without a sense of urgency on every snap. Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration 5.5 6.0 5.5 STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.5 Joseph has excellent size for a guard. When you see him on the "Hoof," he jumps out at you because he is so solidly built with such a thick lower body. His strength, size and natural athleticism will allow him to be a very durable NFL offensive lineman. He has the natural explosiveness to burst off the ball and knock a defensive lineman off the ball, but he does not show it consistently. He has the outstanding natural strength to be dominant at the point of attack when he blocks aggressively. He can torque and toss big defensive tackles off their feet and can throw them out of the play consistently when he attacks his blocks with a real sense of urgency. Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength 7.0 6.5 6.0 7.0
 
Stovall is an interesting prospect because prior to Notre Dame's offense opening up in 2005, his production had been nothing special, but this year he really burst on the scene and made an impact. He is a smooth, fluid receiver who runs sharp routes, but his lack of quickness/explosion will hinder his ability to get separation from NFL cornerbacks and he will not be a deep-play threat. He has the size and playing strength to be a very good short-yardage and red-zone receiver. He can push off to get a little space, shield a defender from the ball very well and reach out and pluck the ball with his hands. He consistently runs very well after the catch. He has a quick burst upfield after catching the pass, has agility to avoid tacklers in space, keeps his feet vs. hard hits, delivers a blow to tacklers and consistently gains yards after contact. Overall, Stovall is a big, physical receiver with the hands, toughness and playing strength to be a very good starting possession receiver who catches everything thrown his way and gains yards after the catch. His lack of explosiveness and playing speed will hinder his ability to make big plays down the field, but he will be a clutch receiver that teams can go to in tough situations. He consistently catches the ball extremely well in traffic and can adjust to make tough catches seem routine. CRITICAL FACTORS Size Athletic Ability Hands Competes Play Speed Instincts 8.0 5.0 7.0 6.5 5.5 6.5 STRONG POINTS Stovall is a huge receiver with smooth movement skills and balance. He can contort his body to adjust and make great catches on high off-target passes. His toughness and concentration show in his ability to get up and catch the high pass across the middle, take the hard hit and hold onto the ball consistently. He has a quick burst upfield after the catch, runs aggressively and has the playing strength to keep his feet vs. hard hits and break tackles. He is very smooth running routes and uses his hands well to push off discretely and can shield the cornerback from the ball to make the catch with a defender on his back. WEAKNESSES While Stovall is definitely a smooth, fluid route runner, he lacks the quick feet, explosiveness and playing speed to make big plays down the field. He lacks explosiveness off the ball to get into his route fast. He cannot close cushion fast. Despite running sharp routes, he lacks a burst out of his cuts to get separation consistently and cannot get away from defenders on deep routes. He has a tendency to stop his feet after making initial contact on blocks, which lead to him grabbing and holding. He does not hide holding well. POSITIONAL FACTORS Grade Category Comments/Description 7.0 Hands Outstanding hands help him consistently make great catches away from his body with his hands. 5.0 Initial Quickness Stovall lacks the quick burst off the ball to get into routes fast and cannot close cushion quickly. 5.0 Clean Release He does not explode off the ball and cannot push the corner by closing the cushion fast enough. 5.5 Release vs. Jam He lacks the quickness to avoid the jam cleanly, but his play strength and hand use help him fight through the jam decently. 6.0 Patterns He consistently runs sharp and precise routes, but does not burst out of cuts to get separation. 7.0 Adjusts to Ball He has consistently shown the ability to adjust to off-target passes to make very tough catches easily. 6.0 Run after Catch He lacks explosiveness, but has the agility to make tacklers miss and consistently gains yards after contact. 5.0 Deep Threat He does not have the explosiveness or elite playing speed to get separation deep down the field. 7.0 Hand/Eye Coordination He has excellent hand/eye coordination, which helps him adjust to off-target passes remarkably well. 5.5 Blocking Gives a good effort and has excellent strength, but stops his feet at times and ends up holding too often. NA Return Ability Stovall did not return in the games that were graded. 6.0 Fumbles/Error He does not fumble or make mental errors. He's limited by athleticism, not by making mistakes. ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 5.0 Stovall is a good athlete when it comes to smooth, fluid movement skills, but he lacks the quickness, explosive burst and big-play playing speed. He lacks quickness off the ball into routes and does not burst out of cuts to get separation in routes, but he does turn quickly and bursts upfield fast after the catch. He accelerates to full speed quickly after the catch, but lacks the elite playing speed to run away from the defense. He cannot COD fast enough to avoid the jam and release off the line of scrimmage quickly vs. the jam and does not close the cushion fast vs. "Off" coverage. He has good flexibility, which helps him to block with leverage, get down and catch low passes surprisingly well and lower his shoulder to deliver a blow to the tackler. His coordination combines with his hands and body control so that he can adjust and make tough catches away from his body consistently well. His balance, agility and play strength combine so that he can take hard hits, keep his feet and gain yards after contact. Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination 6.0 5.5 5.0 6.0 6.5 COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.5 Stovall is a very tough receiver who has consistently shown the willingness to go up and catch the high pass in traffic without peeking at the defense, takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball. While he is not a big-time downfield threat, he proved to be Notre Dame's go-to-receiver on key short-yardage and red-zone passes. He was a very consistent receiver at Notre Dame -- he caught nearly every pass thrown his way with his hands. He caught 90 percent of the passes thrown his way, ran hard after the catch, gained yards after contact and made key catches when their offense needed it most. He is without question a team player and consistently gives a very good effort blocking downfield and running after the catch. He never quits fighting for extra yards until he is on the ground. Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.5 6.0 MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 5.5 Stovall is an extremely smart young man who learns football easily. He uses his hands very well vs. cornerbacks and knows how to cut-off and shield corners from play to make tough grabs. His intelligence allowed him to enter Notre Dame as a 17-year-old freshman and he has now graduated at 20 years old. He has very good instincts, but lacks the quick burst to consistently react fast. He does not explode off the ball into routes -- usually the last receiver moving at snap -- and lacks a burst out of cuts to get separation consistently. He does a very good job of maintaining his focus/concentration, which helps him consistently catch passes with his hands and pluck passes right before he takes the hard hit. Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration 7.0 5.5 6.5 STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.5 Stovall has rare size for a receiver at over 6-4 and 230 pounds. On the "Hoof" he is well built and very angular. His size, playing strength and competitiveness have helped him be a durable receiver at Notre Dame and he should be a durable NFL receiver. He is not an explosive-off-the-ball receiver and lacks the explosiveness in routes to run away from the defense, but he does have a quick upfield burst after the catch. He has outstanding size and playing strength for a receiver, which allow him to overpower cornerbacks who try to jam him and he consistently has shown the ability to take hard hits, break tackles and gain yards after contact. Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength 8.0 6.5 5.5 7.0
 
Longtime Bucs fan here and question for other buc fans. What is the deal with Colmer out of NC State last year? He was a good player in college but for his shoulder injury. I don't remember him playing much if at all last year and if he is fully healthy, he should be in the mix too. I was secretly hoping that the bucs would go with Santonio Holmes today in the first round because I have never been really sold on Michael Clayton. Anyone have any opinions?
Shoulder didn't allow him to see any time last year. Reports were that he looked lost in practice and wasn't ready for anytime of PT.That said, he'll get snaps in camp. Probably a lot.

Lots of different options on the line now for the Bucs. Besides the starting 5 of:

Davis

Buenning

Wade

Mahan

Walker

all returning, they now also have Colmer, Torrin Tucker and Trueblood for tackle.

Joseph, Fonoti and Terry for guard, and Mahan swinging over to center, if need be.

That's a lot of tools. Two full offensive lines. If they can't make this work, nothing ever will.

 
agreed. Thanks for bringing the knowledge on Colmer Capella. Moved from Tampa last year and miss going to the games and the info from the Sports Animal down there, etc. :)

 
Longtime Bucs fan here and question for other buc fans.  What is the deal with Colmer out of NC State last year?  He was a good player in college but for his shoulder injury.  I don't remember him playing much if at all last year and if he is fully healthy, he should be in the mix too.  I was secretly hoping that the bucs would go with Santonio Holmes today in the first round because I have never been really sold on Michael Clayton.  Anyone have any opinions?
Shoulder didn't allow him to see any time last year. Reports were that he looked lost in practice and wasn't ready for anytime of PT.That said, he'll get snaps in camp. Probably a lot.

Lots of different options on the line now for the Bucs. Besides the starting 5 of:

Davis

Buenning

Wade

Mahan

Walker

all returning, they now also have Colmer, Torrin Tucker and Trueblood for tackle.

Joseph, Fonoti and Terry for guard, and Mahan swinging over to center, if need be.

That's a lot of tools. Two full offensive lines. If they can't make this work, nothing ever will.
:goodposting: :thumbup:
 
Lots of different options on the line now for the Bucs. Besides the starting 5 of:

Davis

Buenning

Wade

Mahan

Walker

all returning, they now also have Colmer, Torrin Tucker and Trueblood for tackle.

Joseph, Fonoti and Terry for guard, and Mahan swinging over to center, if need be.

That's a lot of tools. Two full offensive lines. If they can't make this work, nothing ever will.
Get used to this very soon...Tucker

Buenning

Mahan

Joseph

Trueblood

Getting better every year anyway...

 
Lots of different options on the line now for the Bucs. Besides the starting 5 of:

Davis

Buenning

Wade

Mahan

Walker

all returning, they now also have Colmer, Torrin Tucker and Trueblood for tackle.

Joseph, Fonoti and Terry for guard, and Mahan swinging over to center, if need be.

That's a lot of tools. Two full offensive lines. If they can't make this work, nothing ever will.
Get used to this very soon...Tucker

Buenning

Mahan

Joseph

Trueblood

Getting better every year anyway...
I'll be curious to see who doesn't make it. They're not going to keep 11 guys on the line.Wouldn't shock me to see Mahan take nothing but center snaps this summer, and Wade to be shown the door.

 
Stoval is going to be a beast in Grudens system. That pick made my day.

As much as everybody wanted one of the defensie stars, there is no denying where we had the major void. THE O-LINE! Now we have plenty of guys for training camp, and have good depth if someone goes out. The WR position just got a little more depth as well, and we shouldn't be totaly screwed if Galloway gets hurt now.

What positions o you think we target today?

I think a safety/ corner is the biggest need right now. I believe Pat Watkins is still on the board. I wouldn't mind seeing a little depth added on the D-line as well

 
Longtime Bucs fan here and question for other buc fans.  What is the deal with Colmer out of NC State last year?  He was a good player in college but for his shoulder injury.  I don't remember him playing much if at all last year and if he is fully healthy, he should be in the mix too.  I was secretly hoping that the bucs would go with Santonio Holmes today in the first round because I have never been really sold on Michael Clayton.  Anyone have any opinions?
Shoulder didn't allow him to see any time last year. Reports were that he looked lost in practice and wasn't ready for anytime of PT.That said, he'll get snaps in camp. Probably a lot.

Lots of different options on the line now for the Bucs. Besides the starting 5 of:

Davis

Buenning

Wade

Mahan

Walker

all returning, they now also have Colmer, Torrin Tucker and Trueblood for tackle.

Joseph, Fonoti and Terry for guard, and Mahan swinging over to center, if need be.

That's a lot of tools. Two full offensive lines. If they can't make this work, nothing ever will.
From a Cadillac keeper league owner, this is music to my ears.
 
Stoval is going to be a beast in Grudens system.  That pick made my day. 

As much as everybody wanted one of the defensie stars, there is no denying where we had the major void.  THE O-LINE!  Now we have plenty of guys for training camp, and have good depth if someone goes out.  The WR position just got a little more depth as well, and we shouldn't be totaly screwed if Galloway gets hurt now. 

What positions o you think we target today?

I think a safety/ corner is the biggest need right now.  I believe Pat Watkins is still on the board.  I wouldn't mind seeing a little depth added on the D-line as well
Yeah, I'm not sure what the hell everyone keeps saying we need CBs for... we need a SS before we need a CB, and we need a UT before we need a CB.What an awesome, awesome draft on day 1. I really hope both of those guys will be able to start in training camp.

I'd really love them to go after Darnell Bing in the 4th if they don't get Smith back.

I mean we grabbed Will Allen the year before in the 4th... would make sense :D

LT Anthony Davis

LG Dan Buenning

C John Wade

RG Davin Joseph

RT Jeremy Trueblood

I like it a lot.

I guarantee you Joseph starts the first week, but I really hope Trueblood can edge out a spot.

Bucs also need to jump on Jonathan Lewis...

 
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Why the heck did we just pick ANOTHER WR in the 4th round. Some guy from Youngtown State. The Bucs aren't getting any younger on defense. We selected 3 other WR's last year late in the draft.

 
Why the heck did we just pick ANOTHER WR in the 4th round. Some guy from Youngtown State. The Bucs aren't getting any younger on defense. We selected 3 other WR's last year late in the draft.
The Bucs picked CB Alan Zemaitis from PSU in the 4th. He is good.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what the hell everyone keeps saying we need CBs for... we need a SS before we need a CB, and we need a UT before we need a CB.
The starting CBs are at that age when they aren't quite too old yet, but they aren't in their prime either.CB depth is key, and a guy who can be a good nickel man for a year then take over for Barber or fill in better than Juran Bolden will help this D a lot.

 
Why the heck did we just pick ANOTHER WR in the 4th round.  Some guy from Youngtown State.  The Bucs aren't getting any younger on defense.  We selected 3 other WR's last year late in the draft.
The Bucs picked CB Alan Zemaitis from PSU in the 4th. He is good.
Yeah I just saw that. I swear on the draft clicker it said the Bucs picked up another WR, but I'm glad that wasn't the case. :thumbup:
 

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