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2007 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

BGP

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There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

:thumbup: :wolf: Here we go Brownies here we go! :wolf: :wolf:

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in the main main 2007 Steeler thread. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

:wolf: :wolf:

 
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The following are some of the articles that have been written this season with regards to Jim Tressel possibly becoming the Browns head coach in 2007. I am posting this now because the line of thinking here is that he would step down after the BCS title game, so it would happen soon if it does. In posting this, I am not saying I believe it will occur. But it is a big subplot to the NCAA division I title matchup.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=in...n&type=lgns

Look for the Cleveland Browns to come after Ohio State coach Jim Tressel if the Buckeyes win the national title. A clause in Tressel's seven-year, $17.1 million contract signed last May voids the package if he wins a national title. The Browns likely would double Tressel's average annual salary of $2.45 million and give one of football's best coaches another challenge after two national titles in his past five seasons in Columbus. Tressel, a Berea, Ohio, native who grew up a Browns fan, also has a $1 million buyout in his current contract. Tressel says he's happy in the college game, but one thing is certain: If OSU wins the national title, Tressel soon will be the highest-paid coach in college football ($3 million-plus per year) or one of the highest-paid in the NFL. . . .
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale....xml&coll=2
Iowa's Ferentz is Big Ten's hot name, but Browns job might interest OSU coach

Sunday, October 22, 2006

Tony Grossi

Plain Dealer Reporter

It's no secret that Browns General Manager Phil Savage is good friends with Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. So is Baltimore General Manager Ozzie Newsome, as well as other team executives in the NFL.

It has been speculated in NFL circles that whichever GM goes looking for a head coach next, Ferentz would be the first choice of each.

Now it appears that Savage and Newsome both could be in the market for head coaches after this season.

If the Browns' season continues to flow down the sewer and owner Randy Lerner allows Savage one more coaching change, Savage could face a dilemma. How could he pick Ferentz, a good coach, over Ohio State's Jim Tressel, a better one?

Most assume Tressel aspires to no other job than the one he has. According to a source close to the OSU situation, however, the Browns might be the only NFL job that would interest Tressel.

Remember that Tressel, born in Mentor, spent most of his childhood in Berea learning the coaching trade from his father, Lee, a legend at Baldwin-Wallace College.

If the Crennel Era indeed crashes and burns, Lerner will need to pull out something magical to stem a mass exodus of his stadium suite-holders. The place already has far too many vacancies for a football-mad market like Cleveland.
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindeale....xml&coll=2
Tressel's pro appeal not worth gamble

Friday, November 03, 2006

Bill Livingston

Plain Dealer Columnist

Don't rashly dismiss the idea of Jim Tressel coach ing the Browns as just another bad marriage.

Some of us (blush) thought promoting a I-AA coach from Youngstown State to the Ohio State pressure cooker was as doomed as the Reese Witherspoon/Ryan Phillippe union. Too bad we didn't sign a pre-nup to limit our stupidity liability.

When speculation arose about Tressel coaching his boyhood team, the Browns, he said he loved the college game and felt comfortable at OSU. He did not say he would be there until he died or was fired, as Charlie Weis said about Notre Dame.

With the Browns, Tressel could double his $2.5 million salary at Ohio State. A possible second national championship this year would enhance his appeal even more.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch...1025-C3-00.html
Tressel not interested in coaching Browns

Wednesday, October 25, 2006

Tim May

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Jim Tressel put down speculation that he might be interested in the Cleveland Browns’ coaching job if Romeo Crennel were fired at season’s end.

Asked for a reaction to the report in a Cleveland newspaper, the Ohio State coach said, "I’ve not spent one day playing in the NFL or coaching in the NFL, and I’ve got my hands full doing what I’m doing. So that’s my reaction."

The Cleveland Plain Dealer story indicated that a substantial financial offer and long-term deal might attract Tressel.

"I’ve got money and I’ve got a contract, so … " said Tressel, who signed a seven-year deal this year that will increase his compensation from $2.3 million for this year to $2.6 million in 2012.

Asked what it would take to lure him from Ohio State, he said, "Don’t know; can’t think of a thing."

Tressel, in his sixth year with the Buckeyes, was asked whether he would be satisfied finishing his career at OSU.

"Absolutely," he said.
The interesting thing is he never came flat out and said he would not consider coaching the Browns. he dodged the questioning.
 
I have D'Qwell Jackson eating up alot of contract years in my league, do you have any thoughts about him ? And the LB corps in general ? I know Andra Davis is a solid player, also read about Kam Wimbley being a fantastic prospect. Just looked up his stats and while he might not be a real impact in FF leagues, he sure is having a damn fine rookie season in the NFL. Also mentioned as a possible DROY winner, tough year for that tho...

TIA

 
Now here is some of the speculation I can find on Cowher becoming the Browns head coach in 2008. Cowher has a contract for next season, so he can't coach the Browns until 08.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale...&thispage=1

Steelers' Cowher shows signs of growing restless

Friday, November 17, 2006

Tony Grossi

Plain Dealer Reporter

Bill Cowher owns the Browns. His 19-5 record against them is his best against any NFL team.

The question is whether Cowher aspires to some day coach the team that gave him his start in the profession.

"What?" exclaimed Dan Rooney, the patriarch and chairman of the Steelers. "What are you trying to do, steal our coach?"

Cowher's uncertain future made the front pages of Pittsburgh newspapers in March when it was reported that he and his wife purchased a $2.5 million home near Raleigh, N.C., home of the couple's alma mater, North Carolina State. The Cowher family has since relocated to the new home.

There is disagreement about what Cowher is up to.

Some believe he has considered retirement for a couple of years and only agreed to continue as coach after the Steelers completed an incredible playoff run last season and won the Super Bowl.

Others believe Cowher's future is all about money. According to some estimates, he is considerably below the top pay scale for NFL head coaches, which is in the $7 million to $8 million a year range currently enjoyed by Seattle's Mike Holmgren and Washington's Joe Gibbs.

The theory is that Cowher felt "insulted" by the tone of contract talks with the Steelers, that he feels he deserved to be at or near the top not only because of the Super Bowl championship, but also because of his 15 years at the helm of the organization.

Rooney dismissed the money theory, saying, "I don't think so. If it was all about money, the time to mention it was after winning the Super Bowl."

The money conspiracists say Cowher will retreat to Raleigh and take a sabbatical in 2007 and then, free of his obligations to the Steelers, return thereafter as a coaching free-agent.

Rooney affirmed that the team would own Cowher's rights only through the 2007 season.

As for Cowher's connections to the Browns, there are many.

His playing career as a backup linebacker and special-teams player started with them in 1980. He was traded to Philadelphia in 1983. After a knee injury ended his playing days, Cowher rejoined the Browns in 1985 as special teams coach under Marty Schottenheimer.

Cowher joined Schottenheimer in Kansas City as Chiefs defensive coordinator in 1989 - but not before interviewing for the Browns vacant head-coach position. Cowher was 32 at the time, and the Browns felt he was not ready. Plus, he was considered "another Marty."

Cowher was interviewed by the Browns a second time in 1991. But he lost out to the defensive coordinator of the Super Bowl champion Giants - Bill Belichick.

Cowher was hired the following year by his hometown Steelers. Their second choice was John Fox, now head coach of Carolina.

Cowher dismissed talk about his future on a conference call this week. But every year, twice a year, he expresses his fondness for the city that gave him his start.

"It's well-documented," Cowher said on Wednesday. "The first house I bought, my first two children were born there. I first started playing and coaching there. I understand that is a city a lot like Pittsburgh. There is a lot of passion and pride in the football teams."

Whatever Cowher's goals are, Rooney cautions about changing coaches.

"Cleveland's got a good operation and a good coach. You can't be changing every two years," Rooney said.
 
I have D'Qwell Jackson eating up alot of contract years in my league, do you have any thoughts about him ? And the LB corps in general ? I know Andra Davis is a solid player, also read about Kam Wimbley being a fantastic prospect. Just looked up his stats and while he might not be a real impact in FF leagues, he sure is having a damn fine rookie season in the NFL. Also mentioned as a possible DROY winner, tough year for that tho...TIA
Jackson looks like he can be a solid player with a bright future. Wimbley has given the Browns what they needeed. Chaun Thompson is probably just a special teamer now. But if there is a coaching change, then a lot is unknown because coaches usually prefer to bring in their own players and clean house.
 
I have D'Qwell Jackson eating up alot of contract years in my league, do you have any thoughts about him ? And the LB corps in general ? I know Andra Davis is a solid player, also read about Kam Wimbley being a fantastic prospect. Just looked up his stats and while he might not be a real impact in FF leagues, he sure is having a damn fine rookie season in the NFL. Also mentioned as a possible DROY winner, tough year for that tho...TIA
Jackson looks like he can be a solid player with a bright future. Wimbley has given the Browns what they needeed. Chaun Thompson is probably just a special teamer now. But if there is a coaching change, then a lot is unknown because coaches usually prefer to bring in their own players and clean house.
Yeah well thanks, are you confident Crennel will be fired ? They might wanna give him another year ? It never seemed as taking over the Browns was supposed to be an easy fix, did you guys ever get a capable substitute for the fired OC (Can't remember his name) ?
 
I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks.
Thread: Steelers Offseason (2007) (thread is not even 6 hours old yet).

You have 4 posts in it already.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141161

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141183

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141255

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141270

 
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I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks.
Thread: Steelers Offseason (2007) (thread is not even 6 hours old yet).

You have 4 posts in it already.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141161

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141183

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141255

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141270
What's your point? He said he doesn't have one post in it, and he doesn't. :D Back to this thread- When the Browns get rid of Romeo, they must hire a coach who will keep the 3-4 defense. If they give Romeo another season, and he fails to improve the team to satisfaction, Cowher would be perfect.

 
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I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.

Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.

As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.

A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.

 
I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.
I read somewhere Jackson might be better suited for 4-3 defense, do you think Davis and Williams could be the duo for the future ?
 
I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.
I read somewhere Jackson might be better suited for 4-3 defense, do you think Davis and Williams could be the duo for the future ?
right now, I see it as Davis and Jackson, but Williams is putting the heat on Djax.
 
The following are some of the articles that have been written this season with regards to Jim Tressel possibly becoming the Browns head coach in 2007. I am posting this now because the line of thinking here is that he would step down after the BCS title game, so it would happen soon if it does. In posting this, I am not saying I believe it will occur. But it is a big subplot to the NCAA division I title matchup.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=in...n&type=lgns

Look for the Cleveland Browns to come after Ohio State coach Jim Tressel if the Buckeyes win the national title. A clause in Tressel's seven-year, $17.1 million contract signed last May voids the package if he wins a national title. The Browns likely would double Tressel's average annual salary of $2.45 million and give one of football's best coaches another challenge after two national titles in his past five seasons in Columbus. Tressel, a Berea, Ohio, native who grew up a Browns fan, also has a $1 million buyout in his current contract. Tressel says he's happy in the college game, but one thing is certain: If OSU wins the national title, Tressel soon will be the highest-paid coach in college football ($3 million-plus per year) or one of the highest-paid in the NFL. . . .
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale....xml&coll=2
Iowa's Ferentz is Big Ten's hot name, but Browns job might interest OSU coach

Sunday, October 22, 2006

Tony Grossi

Plain Dealer Reporter

It's no secret that Browns General Manager Phil Savage is good friends with Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. So is Baltimore General Manager Ozzie Newsome, as well as other team executives in the NFL.

It has been speculated in NFL circles that whichever GM goes looking for a head coach next, Ferentz would be the first choice of each.

Now it appears that Savage and Newsome both could be in the market for head coaches after this season.

If the Browns' season continues to flow down the sewer and owner Randy Lerner allows Savage one more coaching change, Savage could face a dilemma. How could he pick Ferentz, a good coach, over Ohio State's Jim Tressel, a better one?

Most assume Tressel aspires to no other job than the one he has. According to a source close to the OSU situation, however, the Browns might be the only NFL job that would interest Tressel.

Remember that Tressel, born in Mentor, spent most of his childhood in Berea learning the coaching trade from his father, Lee, a legend at Baldwin-Wallace College.

If the Crennel Era indeed crashes and burns, Lerner will need to pull out something magical to stem a mass exodus of his stadium suite-holders. The place already has far too many vacancies for a football-mad market like Cleveland.
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindeale....xml&coll=2
Tressel's pro appeal not worth gamble

Friday, November 03, 2006

Bill Livingston

Plain Dealer Columnist

Don't rashly dismiss the idea of Jim Tressel coach ing the Browns as just another bad marriage.

Some of us (blush) thought promoting a I-AA coach from Youngstown State to the Ohio State pressure cooker was as doomed as the Reese Witherspoon/Ryan Phillippe union. Too bad we didn't sign a pre-nup to limit our stupidity liability.

When speculation arose about Tressel coaching his boyhood team, the Browns, he said he loved the college game and felt comfortable at OSU. He did not say he would be there until he died or was fired, as Charlie Weis said about Notre Dame.

With the Browns, Tressel could double his $2.5 million salary at Ohio State. A possible second national championship this year would enhance his appeal even more.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch...1025-C3-00.html
Tressel not interested in coaching Browns

Wednesday, October 25, 2006

Tim May

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Jim Tressel put down speculation that he might be interested in the Cleveland Browns’ coaching job if Romeo Crennel were fired at season’s end.

Asked for a reaction to the report in a Cleveland newspaper, the Ohio State coach said, "I’ve not spent one day playing in the NFL or coaching in the NFL, and I’ve got my hands full doing what I’m doing. So that’s my reaction."

The Cleveland Plain Dealer story indicated that a substantial financial offer and long-term deal might attract Tressel.

"I’ve got money and I’ve got a contract, so … " said Tressel, who signed a seven-year deal this year that will increase his compensation from $2.3 million for this year to $2.6 million in 2012.

Asked what it would take to lure him from Ohio State, he said, "Don’t know; can’t think of a thing."

Tressel, in his sixth year with the Buckeyes, was asked whether he would be satisfied finishing his career at OSU.

"Absolutely," he said.
The interesting thing is he never came flat out and said he would not consider coaching the Browns. he dodged the questioning.
Tressel dodging a question is not at all interesting. I don't think I have ever heard Tressel answer a question. He was more than likely looking to not alienate a large potion of the Buckeye fanbase as opposed to covering up possible interest in the Browns job.
 
I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks.
Thread: Steelers Offseason (2007) (thread is not even 6 hours old yet).

You have 4 posts in it already.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141161

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141183

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141255

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141270
Ha I meant to refer to the official 2007 steeler thread. I'll edit that.
 
There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread! :goodposting: :wolf: Here we go Brownies here we go! :wolf: :wolf:And just some ground rules...I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here! :wolf: :wolf:
I don't care what threads you post in and don't try and tell others where they can post. For the Browns to improve then Romeo must be fired. Very good coordinator, but poor HC.
 
BGP said:
I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks.
Thread: Steelers Offseason (2007) (thread is not even 6 hours old yet).

You have 4 posts in it already.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141161

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141183

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141255

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6141270
Ha I meant to refer to the official 2007 steeler thread. I'll edit that.
Too late. You have already been :homer: As far as I'm concerned, you've invited the vampire into your home. But don't worry, I'll just pop by from time to time. :excited:

 
I welcome Pittsburgh fans to this thread, they can bring good into these threads unless they have alternative motives (BGP hating). I'd go to theirs if I ever needed to, but I don't see one these days. Just don't get obnoxious and say meaningless things.

 
I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.
I read somewhere Jackson might be better suited for 4-3 defense, do you think Davis and Williams could be the duo for the future ?
I think this is possible. Jackson is more of an undersized/speed LB that might be better suited for a 4-3. Having two DTs could make him better. But, for now Jackson is the guy. I have liked what I've seen out of both Jackson and Williams. The Browns have very good depth at LB imo, and they are relatively all young.One thing that we should keep in mind if Romeo is fired now (probably not) or during/after next season (probably) is that the 3-4 could be scrapped depending on who the next coaches are. It also might depend on whether or not Savage is fired with Romeo. If Savage stays, he would probably want to continue with the 3-4 no matter who the coach is since that is what he has been building.
 
I welcome Pittsburgh fans to this thread, they can bring good into these threads unless they have alternative motives (BGP hating). I'd go to theirs if I ever needed to, but I don't see one these days. Just don't get obnoxious and say meaningless things.
Don't worry, I'm not here to piss in your thread. BGP just had this coming to him. It's not hating... it's the fact that when BGP ran into some trouble with the mods for Steeler fan-baiting (that had absolutely nothing to do with me) - and was asked to no longer post in Steeler threads, he mentioned me by name and specifically asked Shick! to send me a PM requesting that I not post in his Browns threads as a countermeasure. I thought that was pretty #### personally, but whatever. Out of respect to the mods and the board, I complied. Now, I guess he's decided on his own that the moratorium is over. In the last 24 hours alone, he's posted 4 times in the Steelers off-season thread after starting THIS THREAD by asking Steeler fans not to post here because he doesn't post in Steeler threads (see ACP's post above.) He's been in the Roethlisberger projection thread trumpeting himself for "correctly" tabbing Ben as injury-prone (he missed 1 game this year after his appendix burst,) AND he's been posting the same "Steelers didn't really win the Super Bowl, the refs handed it to them, and because they didn't refuse the Lombardi Trophy, they're now cursed" garbage that he's always spouted, strictly to bait Steeler fans. I'm sure all of you are intelligent enough to know that he's not serious with that crap. If he were, he would need psychiatric help, literally.

So, bottom line, if I come in here and bust balls now and again, Browns fans, please don't take it to heart. I respect the lot of you and care not to instigate. A little ribbing is OK, though, no? I mean, after all, what's a rivalry without a little give-and-take? These two teams hate each other, there's no reason we all have to spend every day handing each other snow cones and giving back rubs. However, my intention is not to instigate or get under your skin. You should just know that your "fearless leader" has acted in a cowardly and hypocritical manner, and any grief he takes from me is self-induced. Just because you may only see my posts in here and not the ones that provoked them, don't assume any attacks are unsolicited. Thanks for your time. :moneybag:

 
I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.
:moneybag: What do you think about Denny Green?
 
Can anyone comment on Phil Savage?

As a Ravens fan, we weren't all that happy with him going to a division rival not to mention the stuff he pulled with RFA Chester Taylor. But when he went to the Browns, a lot of people were pissed that we lost our heir apparent to Ozzie Newsome.

How is Phil perceived by the fan base? How do you think he's doing?

How is the relationship between Phil and Romeo? (Pretty sure Romeo was hired before Phil was)

Last question, and I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, what's the word on Gary Baxter? Is he healthy/playing?

Thanks.

 
Can anyone comment on Phil Savage?As a Ravens fan, we weren't all that happy with him going to a division rival not to mention the stuff he pulled with RFA Chester Taylor. But when he went to the Browns, a lot of people were pissed that we lost our heir apparent to Ozzie Newsome.How is Phil perceived by the fan base? How do you think he's doing?How is the relationship between Phil and Romeo? (Pretty sure Romeo was hired before Phil was)Last question, and I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, what's the word on Gary Baxter? Is he healthy/playing?Thanks.
IIRC, the Browns wanted Newsome, but he said no. So that is a positive for you. He could have been a life long Browns guy in this org. He still might be someday down the road, although most signs point to Alabama.I'm fine with Savage so far and I think overall the fan base has given him a free pass whether they think he's done well or not. Romeo has been under much more fire than Phil this season from the fans. I personally just don't see Romeo as being a good head coach. Anyways, I think Savage is a smart guy that just needs to have his drafts truely evaluated over the next few years, and the coming drafts to build what he has started. He gets knocked for not addressing the OL in the draft, but his initial plan was to build the line through free agency. He made some moves on the OL that looked good (Bentley, Andruzzi, Coleman, Shaffer), just didn't turn out so good. The injury to Bentley, possibly the best FA last year, is just bad luck and they scrambled after that at center. They had to make 2 or 3 trades after Halen decided he didn't want to start, dude was just there for a paycheck. Another knock is not getting a veteran QB after Dilfer left to help and/or push Frye. Now I think he's fully prepared to draft some OL this year and I think he will address the DL also.Anything you hear from Romeo and Phil is that their relationship is strong and they have worked well together. But what else do you expect to hear from them? Romeo not being fired by now speaks louder than anything that comes out of their mouths.Baxter blew out his knees, did you not know this? Same thing to that ended Wendell Davis' career I believe. Baxter vows to comeback, but it is a very long road.
 
BGP said:
There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

:yes: :) Here we go Brownies here we go! :suds: :lmao:

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in the main main 2007 Steeler thread. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

:lmao: :lmao:
Poor baby! You start out by rippin' off the Steelers chant and expect no urine in your Wheaties? :yes:

Browns predictions:

1. You are having the best record for your 2007 season... RIGHT NOW.

2. Any fool signin' up to coach the Browns should also consider being a Walmart greeter as a fallback career option.

3. Rookie draft picks and especially their families will be shown the Cleveland Clinic trauma center before the Berea camp.

4. No matter what changes are made, no matter how much you hope, no matter how many candles and prayers you say under your lifesize Bernie Kosar poster (still hanging in your room, still in your parents basement), the Browns will be

L-O-S-E-R-S.

Steelers own you. Always have, always will. :D

 
daveR said:
I refuse to talk about 2008 and Romeo will still be the coach in 2007, so lets talk about the coaches that will lose jobs this year. Most of the Browns offensive coaches will be gone, Davidson will stay as o-line coach, [they will get a big name to come in to be O-coordinator. Coates will stay as TE coach. Most of the defensive coaches will stay, unless someone is smart enough to steal DB coach Mel Tucker. Rosburg will stay as special teams coach, unless again someone steals him away.

Everyone else that keeps talking about Tressel or Cowher should step back and look at the team instead of blindly following some wish list they read in the paper.

As far as our LB corp goes, with the emergence of Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson will be moved back outside and be terrific depth, with any luck one day, a little light will turn on and an ok player with great potential will become a great player.

A better question in this thread is who will be our next OC.
:banned: What do you think about Denny Green?
I like Green and think he would be a great OC for a young offense, but I'm not sure if he's what Phil and Romeo are looking for. I would think they would go after a 4 yards and a cloud of dust guy. It could happen though.
Tabasco Red said:
Can anyone comment on Phil Savage?

As a Ravens fan, we weren't all that happy with him going to a division rival not to mention the stuff he pulled with RFA Chester Taylor. But when he went to the Browns, a lot of people were pissed that we lost our heir apparent to Ozzie Newsome.

How is Phil perceived by the fan base? How do you think he's doing? The fans pretty much support him, not alot of praise by the press as of yet, but toward the end of the year when people started to analyze the stats of some of the rookies, the press has gotten a little warmer toward him. I think Randy Lerner is looking for a guy to handle more of the business stuff though, Savage is famous for being away from the office a lot on personal scouting trips.

How is the relationship between Phil and Romeo? (Pretty sure Romeo was hired before Phil was)

I'd say pretty good, Romeo went to bat for Phil in the Savage/Collins war. I'd say the Phil/Collins war but people would get confused and everyone would start talking about the band Genesis. They seem to be on the same page as far as philosophies too. Both guys seem to go to great effort not to undermine the statements made by the other.

Last question, and I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, what's the word on Gary Baxter? Is he healthy/playing?

It's a terrible injury and his playing chances are slight, but he is already walking a couple of months ahead of schedule and claims he'll be ready for week 1, we'll see!

Thanks.
BGP said:
There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

:wolf: :wolf: Here we go Brownies here we go! :wolf: :wolf:

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in the main main 2007 Steeler thread. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

:wolf: :wolf:
Poor baby! You start out by rippin' off the Steelers chant and expect no urine in your Wheaties? :lmao:

Browns predictions:

1. You are having the best record for your 2007 season... RIGHT NOW.

2. Any fool signin' up to coach the Browns should also consider being a Walmart greeter as a fallback career option.

3. Rookie draft picks and especially their families will be shown the Cleveland Clinic trauma center before the Berea camp.

4. No matter what changes are made, no matter how much you hope, no matter how many candles and prayers you say under your lifesize Bernie Kosar poster (still hanging in your room, still in your parents basement), the Browns will be

L-O-S-E-R-S.

Steelers own you. Always have, always will. :thumbup:
:lmao: I think nightshift tinkled a little bit.
 
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BGP said:
There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

:wolf: :wolf: Here we go Brownies here we go! :wolf: :wolf:

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in the main main 2007 Steeler thread. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

:wolf: :wolf:
Poor baby! You start out by rippin' off the Steelers chant and expect no urine in your Wheaties? :lmao:

Browns predictions:

1. You are having the best record for your 2007 season... RIGHT NOW.

2. Any fool signin' up to coach the Browns should also consider being a Walmart greeter as a fallback career option.

3. Rookie draft picks and especially their families will be shown the Cleveland Clinic trauma center before the Berea camp.

4. No matter what changes are made, no matter how much you hope, no matter how many candles and prayers you say under your lifesize Bernie Kosar poster (still hanging in your room, still in your parents basement), the Browns will be

L-O-S-E-R-S.

Steelers own you. Always have, always will. :thumbup:
Please dial it WAY down if you'd like to keep posting.TIA

J

 
BGP said:
There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

:wolf: :wolf: Here we go Brownies here we go! :wolf: :wolf:

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in the main main 2007 Steeler thread. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

:wolf: :wolf:
Poor baby! You start out by rippin' off the Steelers chant and expect no urine in your Wheaties? :lmao:

Browns predictions:

1. You are having the best record for your 2007 season... RIGHT NOW.

2. Any fool signin' up to coach the Browns should also consider being a Walmart greeter as a fallback career option.

3. Rookie draft picks and especially their families will be shown the Cleveland Clinic trauma center before the Berea camp.

4. No matter what changes are made, no matter how much you hope, no matter how many candles and prayers you say under your lifesize Bernie Kosar poster (still hanging in your room, still in your parents basement), the Browns will be

L-O-S-E-R-S.

Steelers own you. Always have, always will. :confused:
Please dial it WAY down if you'd like to keep posting.TIA

J
Gimme a me a break, Joe. You allow BGP to do far worse on posts... so what's your beef here?
 
Gimme a me a break, Joe. You allow BGP to do far worse on posts... so what's your beef here?
That's simply not true. You choose not to report posts and assume that they are seen by the moderators. We only see a small fraction of the posts on our boards. If you choose to fall back on vigilante justice you'll have earned that break, you won't have to ask for one.Start using the report button if you want to draw our attention to a post that crosses the line.
 
Bobcat10 and chris1969 thanks for the replies. I haven't heard anything about Savage since he left Baltimore and was curious how he was doing.

I knew Baxter blew out a knee last year, but wasn't aware of any injuries this year. (I'm guessing he blew the other one this year?)

Anyway thanks again. I'd wish you luck, but, well, you know... :yawn:

 
Gimme a me a break, Joe. You allow BGP to do far worse on posts... so what's your beef here?
That's simply not true. You choose not to report posts and assume that they are seen by the moderators. We only see a small fraction of the posts on our boards. If you choose to fall back on vigilante justice you'll have earned that break, you won't have to ask for one.Start using the report button if you want to draw our attention to a post that crosses the line.
C'mon Shick! Where you been at? It is true. Maybe FBG has had a tightening of the rules, but I have seen far worse here. And vigilante justice? Whoa dude, you need to chill here. You wanna boot me out, but all means, go for it. Virtual Vigilantes... :cry: (BTW, you best delete that smilie I just used. It infers a no-no word...)So where's this arbitrary, very subjective, ever changing line? Now Steelers & Browns fans can't trash talk each other? When's the ice cream social start or is it already under way?Unless someone is goin' way off the deep end, like kiddie porn links, no way you'll see me use a report button. If it's that bad, I will contact JB direct and have.
 
Bobcat10 and chris1969 thanks for the replies. I haven't heard anything about Savage since he left Baltimore and was curious how he was doing.

I knew Baxter blew out a knee last year, but wasn't aware of any injuries this year. (I'm guessing he blew the other one this year?)

Anyway thanks again. I'd wish you luck, but, well, you know... :unsure:
He actually blew out both knees at the same time. I know it sounds crazy, but it's a Cleveland thing.To the powers that be, give nightshift a break, he just came in here to respond to something. I know that business wise you don't want to take sides, but sometimes you should take sides. I can post something like "I hope all the Steelers fans take a jump off a bridge!" and for the most part they'll respect me for it. They'll respond with some comment about my mother's anatomy and about her using a vaccuum cleaner as a major source of transportation, but it's what we do, we are enemies at birth. I don't really hate them and they don't really hate me. But I won't pee in somebody's face and tell them it's raining either, and thats kinda what BGP did when he said he doesnt post in their threads, don't post in his. In fact if you banned him from both Steelers and Browns threads it would probably be a good thing. He's the reason all the Steelers fans trash our threads. The difference should be that although nightshift probably stepped over the line nobody here really complained about it. BGP on the other hand has ticked me off with some of his invented statistics about the Browns and we are supposed to be on the same side. I can just imagine the stuff he invented about the Steelers. I have stayed away from the injury prone Ben thread only to avoid confrontation, but if it was my team he was picking on, I would have tracked him down on Google and kicked his ### by now.

I've gotten ticked off at the Steelers guys comments but they have had a reason.

 
I think part of the point here is that this is not just BGP vs. the world. There are other Browns fans on this site (surprise!) and yes, some of us (most of us I would venture) would not like this thread to turn into a Steeler vs. Browns flamefest. Just because BGP started this thread with a hypocritical statement doesn't mean that Steeler fans should trash it. If I started this thread with a polite request for it to remain a civil, on topic Browns offseason discussion, I would hope that this is the kind of forum that could respect that request. So I'm making that request now. Let's stay on topic. You have a problem with BGP, fine: report him, PM him with flames, do whatever but let the rest of us have a discussion.

 
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I think the top priority right now for the Browns is to find a solid OC. Davidson was a servicable fill-in but was not up to the task. We need a veteran, proven OC who can instill an identity on our offense. One thing that is clear from our performance this year (and, incidentally, from the press conferences) is that Romeo knows a lot about defense and is very good at it. Whenever he talks about it in conferences it is clear that he has a solid vision for how the defense works and what it is trying to accomplish. What he's done the last two years with limited personnel on defense is impressive. When the offense comes up however he is much more vague about what is going on. This is expected as offense is not his background. We need someone to take charge here. As coaches are dropping all over league right now, we need to decide quickly who the right person is to bring in. I want to see a big name announced soon...

 
I think the top priority right now for the Browns is to find a solid OC. Davidson was a servicable fill-in but was not up to the task. We need a veteran, proven OC who can instill an identity on our offense. One thing that is clear from our performance this year (and, incidentally, from the press conferences) is that Romeo knows a lot about defense and is very good at it. Whenever he talks about it in conferences it is clear that he has a solid vision for how the defense works and what it is trying to accomplish. What he's done the last two years with limited personnel on defense is impressive. When the offense comes up however he is much more vague about what is going on. This is expected as offense is not his background. We need someone to take charge here. As coaches are dropping all over league right now, we need to decide quickly who the right person is to bring in. I want to see a big name announced soon...
The problem in trying to land a veteran proven OC is that everyone knows Romeo and his coaching staff is on thin ice. What proven OC would want to come to that situation? As far as this thread goes, I hope we all can be civil and have some thought out discussions, but BGP does bring everything onto himself as far as flaming posts. :hophead:
 
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The problem in trying to land a veteran proven OC is that everyone knows Romeo and his coaching staff is on thin ice. What proven OC would want to come to that situation?
That's a good point. I wonder if there's a way to contractually ensure that the OCs job will be safe for some number of years? I guess the only other way to attract a proven OC would be lots and lots of money. Which the Browns do have...
 
I think the top priority right now for the Browns is to find a solid OC. Davidson was a servicable fill-in but was not up to the task. We need a veteran, proven OC who can instill an identity on our offense. One thing that is clear from our performance this year (and, incidentally, from the press conferences) is that Romeo knows a lot about defense and is very good at it. Whenever he talks about it in conferences it is clear that he has a solid vision for how the defense works and what it is trying to accomplish. What he's done the last two years with limited personnel on defense is impressive. When the offense comes up however he is much more vague about what is going on. This is expected as offense is not his background. We need someone to take charge here. As coaches are dropping all over league right now, we need to decide quickly who the right person is to bring in. I want to see a big name announced soon...
The problem in trying to land a veteran proven OC is that everyone knows Romeo and his coaching staff is on thin ice. What proven OC would want to come to that situation? As far as this thread goes, I hope we all can be civil and have some thought out discussions, but BGP does bring everything onto himself as far as flaming posts. :hot:
Just one of the good reasons Romeo should be gone now.
 
nightshift, if you want to talk football, stop back by. Otherwise, you might as well take your toolbox elsewhere.

 
I didn't catch Savage's state of the team press conference. Did anyone hear it?
Savage saw ‘some progress’

Thursday, January 11, 2007

By Steve Doerschuk repository sports writer

BEREA The baby face is harder. The walls seem closer.

It has been two years since Phil Savage took over as Browns general manager. He talked then about building a culture of winning. He talked Wednesday from the same chair about changing "this negative mentality that surrounds the Browns right now."

The expansion-era Browns were 30-66 (.313) before Savage arrived. They are 10-22 (.313) on his watch.

As Savage reviewed the 2006 season, he made it clear he hopes the Browns can be one of those turnaround teams, a la the Saints.

He made it just as clear owner Randy Lerner has signed off on proceeding methodically, with continued foundation-building taking precedence over instant gratification.

"Believe it or not," Savage said in a long state-of-the-team interview, "there has been some progress."

Issue: Fans are fed up with losing. Is there enough in free agency and the draft to make the Browns the NFL's surprise team of 2007?

Savage: The schedule and injuries play a big part. There's no reason to think that we couldn't be. There are gonna be a number of free agents we hope that we're gonna be able to get our hands on.

We're picking high in the draft. If you're gonna be in the top five, this is probably a pretty good year to be up there. As much as we want to go out and fix every area of our ball club, the area of focus is going to be to fix two or three of 'em.

When Braylon Edwards comes around and performs to the level you think he can, when you factor in Kamerion Wimbley, when you get Kellen Winslow a year removed from the ACL work ... now you're starting to establish a core of players you're gonna be able to win with.

Sean Jones, Leigh Bodden, D'Qwell Jackson. If we're able to repeat some of that over the next year or so, we'll be a much better team.

Issue: Quarterback Charlie Frye emerged from his trial as a full-time starter as less than a slam dunk. Derek Anderson had several bright moments after replacing an injured Frye but went out with an awful game against Tampa Bay. What happens with those two?

Savage: The quarterback situation could go a number of different ways. Charlie going into this offseason, as it stands right now, is the incumbent. Derek certainly played himself into the discussion. ... Is it a competition? Sure it is.

Issue: Ken Dorsey, 2-8 as an NFL starter, was the most experienced quarterback behind 2005 draft picks Frye and Anderson.

Savage: On the surface, if you look at what's available via free agency, you wouldn't be overly impressed with that list. You look into the possibility of maybe trading for somebody. There were two quarterbacks out there last year: Drew Brees and Daunte Culpepper. There's no guarantee a veteran quarterback is the answer, either. It's somewhat of a fluid situation.

Right now, we have Charlie, Derek and Ken. We were talking this morning. We ultimately could end up with those same three.

Issue: If the scouting reports being fleshed out now indicate there is a can't miss quarterback in the draft, the Browns might be in position to pick him. They will draft at No. 3 or No. 4, based on a coin flip with Tampa Bay. Is Savage looking for reasons not to draft a quarterback, since a player drafted at another position would be likelier to help right away?

Savage: I could live with it either way. A lot of people, whether it's on an airplane or at the airport or checking into a hotel, have said, "Man, you've got a tough job."

We have a number of needs. With a high pick, you're only gonna be able to address one of 'em. We have to take a long hard look at how, if we were to stay at No. 3 or No. 4, that player impacts the rest of the team.

Issue: The offensive line needs beefed up. The Browns will draft high enough to get a possible franchise left tackle, but they just spent $36 million on free-agent left tackle Kevin Shaffer.

Savage: The guard-center-guard spots ... 50 percent of the NFL starters came from Day 2 of the draft or were free agents. When you get into that left tackle position, if you're really gonna stabilize it, you're looking at high in the draft.

One of the positives of Kevin Shaffer was the fact he had played on the left side, but potentially in time, if there was a chance for him to move to the right side and we had an opportunity to get a left tackle, maybe that would be part of this equation.

There's obviously gonna be some changes made on our offensive line.

Issue: The Browns also gave center LeCharles Bentley a $36 million contract, but he sat out 2006. No one has expressed optimism he will recover from surgery and a staph infection sufficiently to play in 2007.

Savage: We met a few weeks ago. We had a good two-hour talk. I think he's still very positive about coming back and playing for the Browns at some point. What that point is, I would rather not say at this time. I think there's still a little uncertainty there.

Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.com
 
Good article on Edwards that I couldn't agree more with...

Braylon, do your job

Fans simply want Edwards to play hard, represent Browns with class

By Patrick McManamon

Akron Beacon Journal

Sunday, January 14, 2007

The day after the season ended, Browns coach Romeo Crennel had this to say about Braylon Edwards: ``I don't know what people want from the guy.''

That's really not a difficult question to answer.

People want him to:

• Catch the ball.

Receivers have some fundamental requirements. The first is to catch the pass when it's thrown their way.

• Be where he's supposed to be.

Both on the field and off.

Be where the team and the quarterback expects you to be.

Off the field, show up to meetings on time.

On the field, get to the spot.

Bernie Kosar once explained the passing game this way: A quarterback's job is to throw the ball to the spot it's intended. A receiver's job is to win and get to that spot. There's not enough time for anything else. Throw it to the spot, be at the spot.

So win the little battles and get to the spot.

• Lay out for the ball, and when it's needed, be a defender.

On some throws this season, Edwards stood and watched as a pass turned into a turnover. On others, Edwards watched as a pass sailed by him. At times it seemed he'd turn casual if a ball wasn't right to him.

It's not always an easy notion, but it's a simple idea: When the ball is in the air, be like the Tasmanian Devil in pursuit of it.

• Finally, be a professional.

That's it. Just be a professional.

The Browns' public statements indicate the team seems perplexed at the frustration fans feel toward Edwards.

Guess the forest won't let them see the trees.

In defense of Edwards, few in the league worked as hard as he did to come back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament. He was in the facility every day in the offseason, and he did not miss a practice or a down due to injury.

That's not an easy task.

His numbers -- 61 catches for 884 yards and six touchdowns -- were pretty good considering his knee injury and the team's pitiful offense. Off the field, he's also pledged a lot of money to fund the education of inner-city Cleveland kids.

But at his season-ending news conference this past week, General Manager Phil Savage praised Edwards for catching two deep passes down the sidelines against the Houston Texans even though he was out of bounds.

He also said the Browns need to communicate to Edwards that ``we understand some of the pressures that he's under.

``The fact that he's gotten a boat load of money and he's a Michigan Wolverine playing in an Ohio State town,'' Savage said.

Give Savage credit for being honest and telling the truth as he sees it, but this sure seems like a curious analysis.

Edwards -- so far -- seems like the classic case of the player who wants it both ways. He wants the money and the fame, but then does not live up to all the responsibility.

Make no mistake: Edwards' actions this season affected the status of former wide receivers coach Terry Robiskie, who served the Browns well since he was hired by Butch Davis in 2001.

Go around the league and ask players and almost all will stand up for Robiskie. Marcus Allen once said he made the Hall of Fame because of Robiskie.

During the season, Robiskie acknowledged Edwards' talent, but also challenged the receiver to stop doing what he was doing. At one point, he even told Edwards if he didn't quit his antics it might get him fired.

Look what happened.

A trip to www.braylonedwards.com (many players have web sites these days) starts with a cartoon of Edwards dashing and darting his way to a 32-yard touchdown on fourth-and-25 to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers (alas, that did not happen in real life).

There's also a photo gallery, with Edwards playing golf, Edwards profiled in a sport coat (black and white and color versions), Edwards looking pensive in a pink tie, Edwards with no shirt holding a football, Edwards with no shirt and shoulder pads, Edwards with -- well -- you get the idea.

Then there's his TV show on Fox's cable network, Braylon Edwards Under the Helmet. One of the first episodes detailed how unhappy Edwards was when he was not drafted by the Miami Dolphins and how angry he was at the Browns' contract negotiations. One of the later episodes actually spent time on his flatulence when he was getting a massage -- so I'm told.

Edwards had hired all kinds of advisers before he was drafted, and proclaimed his good looks.

So to say that he has pressures -- well this clearly is a man who enjoys his celebrity -- and to say that one of them is being a Michigan guy playing in Cleveland really is irrelevant.

Does anyone truly think a Browns fan would give a hoot where he played if he was performing, being a professional and helping the team win?

To Savage and the Browns, it's a matter not of ego or discipline but maturity.

``I can speak from my own experience,'' Savage said. ``I know a lot more about this job and a lot more of what I think it takes to be successful than I did two years ago. My personal reaction is that I'm going to go home and be more introspective.

``Another person's evaluation of themselves might have them make a public display or chirp to the media about a problem.''

Perhaps the Browns are right, and Edwards does not need more discipline. He clearly has the talent to succeed in the NFL. But the problem is that all the external stuff obscures the good -- that Edwards is a pleasant fellow and a pretty good player.

``He is a good person and comes from a good family,'' Savage said. ``You don't do what you do at Michigan and have the kind of reputation you have and be a bad guy.''

So prove it.

Prove it by catching the ball, showing up on time, removing the focus from yourself and playing football.

Fans will come around.

Media will stop criticizing.

The good things will stand out.

And the team might win.

It's really not a complex proposition.
 
Cleveland traditionally has been a great source for recruiting for Michigan. They get most of their best players from the area so I don't get what Savage was trying to convey on that point.

 
Browns strike fast to change offense

Savage cites Chudzinski's plan of attack as main reason for hiring coordinator

By Terry Pluto

The Browns moved quickly to hire Rob Chudzinski as offensive coordinator.

It will take a while to see whether it's the right move because Chudzinski is a 38-year-old with only three years of pro coaching experience.

This much is certain: The Browns really wanted the man who was tight ends coach for the San Diego Chargers the past two years.

General Manager Phil Savage asked a few times whether the Browns could interview Chudzinski to run the offense. The Chargers turned him down. According to NFL rules, a team must allow an assistant to interview with another team only if the opening is for a head coach.

On Wednesday, Savage asked again.

This time, the Chargers allowed it. Things were unraveling with the Chargers. Coach Marty Schottenheimer was nearly fired after last Sunday's playoff loss -- despite a 14-2 season. He's under contract for 2007 but turned down an extension for 2008.

Chargers offensive coordinator Cam Cameron was named coach of the Miami Dolphins on Friday. The sense is that Schottenheimer didn't want to stop Chudzinski from a new opportunity, especially because the coaching situation with the Chargers was so shaky. It's a safe bet that 2007 will be Schottenheimer's last with the Chargers.

On Wednesday night, Chudzinski was given permission to talk to the Browns. He prepared for the interview on Thursday, took a red-eye flight from San Diego to Cleveland on Thursday night, and arrived early Friday morning.

``I think I got about two hours sleep,'' he said. ``Then we talked all day.''

Coach Romeo Crennel and Savage liked what they heard.

``He was very organized; he has a clear plan for the offense,'' Savage said. ``It revolves around making sure our plays are called around our playmakers. Get the ball to Braylon (Edwards), get the ball to Kellen (Winslow), get the ball to our running backs in the right spots.''

Savage praised everything from Chudzinski's neatness and attention to detail (``Not a single misspelling in his presentation, it was really organized'') to his leadership ability: ``He's a good people person; I think he can relate to our guys.''

Savage said he wants coordinators to be head-coaching material one day because leadership in the job is crucial. He said defensive coordinator Todd Grantham has the right stuff for that: He interviewed to be head coach at Michigan State. Savage believes the same is true of Chudzinski.

The Browns knew Chudzinski could end up as offensive coordinator of the Chargers, or perhaps in that job with the Dolphins under Cameron. The Browns didn't want to let him out of the building Friday without a commitment. They struck a deal Friday night, then rolled him out for a hurried news conference Saturday morning.

Most offensive coordinators receive a three-year contract, and it's believed that's what was given to Chudzinski.

Why come here?

So why would Chudzinski want the job?

``I like challenges,'' he said.

Well, he's got one with this offense.

In Crennel's two years, the Browns have ranked last in scoring each season.

Chudzinski should know what he faces.

After being at the University of Miami from 1994 to 2003, he was hired as the Browns' tight end coach for two reasons: 1) Coach Butch Davis knew and liked Chudzinski from Miami. 2) Chudzinski had coached Winslow at the school.

A native of Toledo who grew up cheering for the Browns, Chudzinski has stories of playing football outside with neighborhood kids while having the TV pointed out the window so they could watch the Browns at the same time. He dreamed of playing for the Browns.

His first season here had to be a nightmare.

He was thrown into the hopeless swamp of being interim offensive coordinator for interim coach Terry Robiskie. That's because 2004 began with great expectations and ended with a panic attack/resignation by Davis... five forgettable games under Robiskie... and a 4-12 record.

When Savage was hired as general manager, he talked to several of the coaches on the previous staff. He was especially impressed by Chudzinski. But this was before Crennel was hired, and the Chargers gave Chudzinski a chance to coach there.

So Savage let him out of his contract to take a job that was a sure thing rather than gamble on what would develop with the Browns. But he kept Chudzinski in the back of his mind, hoping one day to bring the coach back to the Browns.

Long list

When the Browns needed an offensive coordinator after this season, Chudzinski's name was high on the list. But the Chargers' reluctance to allow an interview forced the Browns to move in a different direction.

They began with a list of 21 names. It was cut to 10 when other teams would not permit their coaches to interview. Some coaches declined to pursue the job, partly because the Browns are 11-25 under Crennel and there's a lot of pressure to win right now -- or changes could be made again next season.

The Browns ended up interviewing six candidates, Chudzinski being the last.

Friday was Crennel's first meeting with Chudzinski. Other than a brief phone conversation a few years ago, they had not spoken. Crennel said he liked Chudzinski's approach, his success developing plans for Chargers tight end Antonio Gates and his experience in college.

Chudzinski said he called plays for three years under Larry Coker at the University of Miami, where he was offensive coordinator from 2001 to 2003. His offense helped showcase Winslow's talents, and it made Ken Dorsey relatively effective.

Unlike the hiring of Crennel's first offensive coordinator -- Maurice Carthon -- Chudzinski has no long ties with the head coach or general manager. Crennel and Carthon had worked together for years under Bill Parcells.

Chudzinski's coaching mentors have been Davis, Coker and Schottenheimer.

``If he's out of any school (of coaches), it's probably Jimmy Johnson,'' Savage said. ``I think he has enough background to do this job.''

Chudzinski stressed to the Browns that he'd be a ``run-first'' coach, but he'd play an ``attack-style offense.''

Crennel said of the Chargers that ``they run the ball, they throw the ball, they score points... He presented a well-thought-out plan of how to do that... He's a young guy, and he covered all the bases. It was comprehensive.''

Freedom to coach

The offensive coordinator is a crucial position with the Browns because Crennel is more of a defensive coach. He gives the coordinator a lot of freedom to shape strategy and make decisions, not just on play-calling, but also as to what players are on the field in every situation.

The Browns have to get this right because they must pick between Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson as their quarterback. They need to put together an offensive line. They must make sure that Edwards doesn't become a distraction, and that Winslow is used effectively.

Chudzinski said he's not committing to a quarterback or doing anything other than stressing that ``everyone has a clean slate.'' He just got the job and wisely doesn't want to make any statement he might have to retract later.

Chudzinski has an excellent relationship with Winslow dating to college, but one of his first goals will be to get to know Edwards.

Savage has said several times that those two players will be ``the faces'' of the offense. He added that the coordinator must ``bring an identity'' to the offense.

Because Chudzinski stressed the running game in his interviews, it would not be a shock if the Browns pick a back in the first three rounds.

The Browns still have Rip Scherer and Jeff Davidson on the staff; both interviewed for the job that went to Chudzinski. It's possible that both might end up elsewhere. They have stirred interest among other teams.

The Browns said they are talking to candidates for other assistant positions.

``But we wanted to get the coordinator issue settled,'' Savage said. ``We feel good about Rob; now we can build the rest of the staff and begin putting his system into place.''
 
Savage wields more power over Browns

Crennel played part in staff changes, but GM was in charge of search

By Patrick McManamon

Akron Beacon Journal

This and that about the Browns' new offensive coordinator...

• Who made the hire?

Coach Romeo Crennel and General Manager Phil Savage have said that Crennel has final say on his coaching staff.

Both also said that the two worked together on coaching moves.

And they did.

Savage's role, though, clearly has increased in the year since team president John Collins left, and Savage had the lead role in the people who were interviewed and the final decision.

This is not to say that Crennel and Savage have had disagreements or are in a power struggle -- Rob Chudzinski would not be the offensive coordinator if Crennel didn't want him -- just that Savage has a stronger role.

• What's the talk around the league?

The perception is that Savage is calling the shots.

That might oversimplify things.

Savage had strong input in which coaches were let go and strong input in which coaches were interviewed.

That being said, Crennel is not the type to quit. He wants to make things work with the Browns -- so he isn't digging in his heels to defend his turf at this point.

• What is the hierarchy?

Savage and Crennel's contracts were written when Collins was president, and they state that the two will report to the team president. The team has not had a president since Collins resigned a year ago.

That leaves gray areas in the hierarchy.

• What other opportunities did Chudzinski have?

The Browns believed that he had good ones.

He was not guaranteed the job as coordinator with the San Diego Chargers after the departure of of their offensive coordinator, Cam Cameron, to become coach of the Miami Dolphins on Friday. Marty Schottenheimer told Chudzinski when he called about the Browns' opportunity that he had several coaches he had to consider -- and Chudzinski would be one of them.

Chudzinski might have been able to go to the Dolphins and join Cameron's staff, but he chose the Browns.

• Who else interviewed?

The Browns said six were interviewed. Two coaches from the staff were confirmed: Jeff Davidson and Rip Scherer.

Several league sources also said University of Tennessee offensive coordinator David Cutcliffe interviewed, which is interesting because he coached both the Mannings in college (Peyton at Tennessee, Eli at Mississippi).

The Browns would not confirm Cutcliffe's interview.

Word had the team interested in Baltimore Ravens quarterback coach Rick Neuheisel, but the Ravens promoted him to offensive coordinator shortly after their playoff loss last weekend to the Indianapolis Colts.

The Browns are keeping other names quiet.

• What does this mean for Davidson?

A year ago, the Browns thought enough of Davidson to make him assistant head coach when the New York Jets inquired about his availability. He then took over when offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon ``resigned.''

He's now 99 percent out the door.

Davidson has opportunities with the Carolina Panthers and Arizona Cardinals, and he will not be back with the Browns.

• What about Scherer?

Again, it depends on what Chudzinski wants, but unlike the other assistants, Scherer has another year on his contract. Scherer has a son in high school locally and would prefer not to move while he is in school.

That being said, Scherer did interview at LSU to be its coordinator and today will fly to UCLA to interview for the same position there.

He must weigh an opportunity with a major college program against the uncertainty of the future with the Browns.

The Browns probably would prefer that quarterback Charlie Frye have some continuity with his position coach.

• Any other coaching news?

It has been kept quiet, but one of the team's best assistants is moving on.

Special teams coach Jerry Rosburg will leave for the Atlanta Falcons, who gave him a three-year contract to fill the same role.

Rosburg has been with the Browns since 2001, and the special teams have consistently been among the league's best.

His players swear by him -- and the loss is significant.

On the draft

The NFL Draft grew a lot more appealing to the Browns the past week or two -- several early entries have made the top of the draft very appealing.

The additions of running back Adrian Peterson of Oklahoma, quarterback JaMarcus Russell of LSU and receiver Calvin Johnson of Georgia Tech put six top-notch players in the top six.

Those three players plus offensive tackle Joe Thomas of Wisconsin, defensive tackle Alan Branch of Michigan and quarterback Brady Quinn of Notre Dame mean that the Browns will get a top-caliber player no matter the result of the coin toss with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the scouting combine.

``If you are going to be in the top five, this is probably a pretty good year to be up there,'' Savage said.

It also makes the Browns' situation more complex, though, because it probably puts at least one of the quarterbacks into play, and perhaps both.

The Browns have invested a lot in Frye the past two years and clearly he thinks that he should be the starter going into next season.

If they draft a quarterback third or fourth, though, they would not draft him to sit.

That means starting again with a rookie at quarterback -- working in a new offensive system under Chudzinski.

Russell and Quinn might both be too good to pass up -- especially if the Browns follow Savage's belief that in the first round you take the best player.

Savage worked for GM Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens, and Newsome always said that a top-10 pick had to be a starter and had to eventually be a Pro Bowl player.

Because so much money is invested in a top-five pick, missing, he said, messes up the team's salary structure and salary-cap system for years.

Which only makes the pick that much more complex.

``That is something for later meetings when we evaluate our situation at quarterback, go through free agency and into the draft,'' Savage said. ``We'll have an idea of what we want to do and how we have those players rated. Right now, people are just throwing darts and saying who will be up there.

``Things can change overnight.''

Early word

Many around the league think that the Browns are enamored with Peterson.

Peterson ran for 4,045 yards and scored 41 touchdowns in three seasons, and he gained 1,012 yards last season even though he played in just seven games.

``As far as size, speed and power, there's not too many like him,'' said receiver Travis Wilson, Peterson's teammate at Oklahoma.

Savage clearly likes Oklahoma players -- he has often said he'd like to have standout players from teams that play in front of 90,000 fans every Saturday -- and he has shown that by taking safety Brodney Pool and Wilson the past two years.

But taking Peterson would be as much a statement about running back Reuben Droughns as it is about Peterson.

Droughns was given a new contract before the 2006 season, then didn't gain 800 yards.

Savage attributed his season to off-field problems, injuries and not getting enough work in preseason but clearly hard questions are being asked about Droughns in the team's offices.

``It wasn't the kind of year that he was hoping to have,'' Savage said. ``I think he can bounce back from it, certainly. One of the real values of Reuben is that he is able to play special teams when called upon, and he is able to do some work at fullback.

``If we did get another back, I don't think that would say we are casting Reuben aside. We think he is a valuable part of our team.''

Staying put

There has been talk in league circles that Savage could be a candidate for the Tennessee Titans' vacant general manager's job.

Some dismiss it as rumor, but Savage's name was mentioned in the Titans' offices as the type of person they would like to interview to replace Floyd Reese, and he was written about in Nashville newspapers.

The talk is moot.

Savage said via e-mail this week that he has no interest in the job, and that even if asked he will not interview.

When Savage was hired, the Browns were interested in talking to Reese as well.

Reese is much more of a GM/administrator, and he would have brought those qualifications to the job.

But the Titans would not allow Reese, who was under contract, to interview.

Now, Reese has resigned and is looking for a job (Detroit Lions?), and the Browns are in Savage's hands.
Two bolded parts I found interesting.First one the Browns have historically screwed up. The list is long and one miss can set the franchise back years. The Browns missed with Couch, Brown and Warren and it cripled them. Still holding out hope for Edwards.

Peterson wouldn't be my first choice right now. Think the OL and DL need addressed first. Still not sold on Frye as the guy. Interested to see how FA turns out. Would like to see Savage score some nice talent this year.

 
Browns hire new TE coach

Browns hire new tight ends coach

1/23/2007, 9:56 p.m. ET

The Associated Press

CLEVELAND (AP) — Alfredo Roberts has been hired as Cleveland's new tight ends coach, replacing Ben Coates who was not retained by coach Romeo Crennel following the Browns' 4-12 season.

Roberts spent the past four seasons as Jacksonville's tight ends coach. With the Browns, he'll work with Kellen Winslow, who tied the Browns' single-season receptions record (89) this season.

Like Winslow, Roberts played at the University of Miami before he was taken in the eighth round of the 1988 draft by Kansas City. He played three seasons for the Chiefs before joining Dallas in 1991 and played on Super Bowl title teams with the Cowboys.

Roberts didn't miss a game for five straight seasons before his career was ended in 1994 by a foot injury.

He co-owned a restaurant in Dallas from 1993 until starting his coaching career in 1999. He was a receivers coach at Florida Atlantic University for two years before joining the Jaguars' staff.

On Tuesday, the Browns also lost assistant head coach Jeff Davidson, who was named Carolina's new offensive coordinator. Davidson was Cleveland's offensive line coach before taking over coordinator duties following Maurice Carthon's resignation in October.

Crennel, who hired former San Diego tight ends coach Rob Chudzinski as his new offensive coordinator last week, is also looking for a special teams coach following the departure of Jerry Rosburg to Atlanta.
 
Cleveland traditionally has been a great source for recruiting for Michigan. They get most of their best players from the area so I don't get what Savage was trying to convey on that point.
A little :mellow: .What does Savage's statement have to do with what you said about it?
``The fact that he's gotten a boat load of money and he's a Michigan Wolverine playing in an Ohio State town,'' Savage said.
He's saying that Edwards is under the microscope even moreso here in Buckeyeland because he is a Wolverine. His comments had nothing to do with Ohio being a top 3 or 5 breeding ground for collegiate recruiters (or Cleveland as you put it).
 
Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Friday, January 26, 2007

Doug Lesmerises

Plain Dealer Reporter

Mobile, Ala. -- The Browns, along with the rest of the NFL, would have liked a look at Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas this week. But the 6-6, 310-pounder pulled out of Saturday's Senior Bowl late last week, a common move for players projected at the top of the NFL draft.

Though it's agents who typically steer players away from the game, for some scouts, the desire of a top player not to hurt his draft status by risking exposure raises questions about that player's competitiveness. Some of the players here agree.

"It shows a little fear sometimes that maybe you have something to hide," said Penn State tackle Levi Brown. "Maybe you have something to hide."

Thomas was of such high interest to the Browns because, as one member of the staff said, they are looking for an "infusion" of offensive linemen in this draft. Thomas is probably the only lineman worthy of consideration with the Browns' first pick, which will be at either No. 3 or No. 4 pending a coin flip with Tampa Bay.

Of course, Tampa's staff is running the North team and would have loved a week of working with Thomas, too. Everyone in town has also heard that Detroit, picking No. 2, is very interested in Thomas as well. In fact, Thomas was in town this week and reportedly had dinner with the Lions on Monday. And there remains a school of thought that if either of the top two quarterbacks - LSU junior JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame senior Brady Quinn - slip to the Browns, he might be too tempting to pass up.

So if help for the Browns' offensive line doesn't come in the first round, it will definitely come later, and one of the linemen here is a good bet to wind up in Cleveland. Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley, Tennessee guard / tackle Aaron Sears, Arkansas tackle Tony Ugoh and Texas guard Justin Blalock, part of an impressive group of linemen for the South, are among the players who have spoken with the Browns this week.

"I've talked to the Browns a couple times," said Sears. "You just try to be yourself. You've been yourself your whole life and you can't change now."

Staley is a particularly interesting case. Projected as a left tackle, he's playing for the South because the North had four others players at his position. After a slow start to the week, he has proven he can compete outside of a small conference.

"Coming from the MAC not a lot of scouts get a chance to watch us play, so I wanted to show that I'm like the other great athletes out here and I can play with anyone in the country," Staley said. "I wanted to show that I'm more aggressive than people think and show them my explosiveness, which is one of the weaknesses I've had."

If the Browns take a quarterback or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson in the first round, a lineman to clear their way certainly would make sense in the second round. Penn State's Brown had a good week and confirmed his status as a first-round lock, but players like Sears, Ugoh and Auburn's Ben Grubbs are first-round possibilities who could be hanging around when the Browns come up in the second round.

And then the infusion should begin.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

dlesmerises@plaind.com, 216-999-4479
As much as the Browns are in need of o-linemen, I almost hope Thomas is taken before the Browns pick. Everything I've heard and read indicates that he isn't projected to be an elite LT, just the best in this draft. Not that the Browns couldn't use even an average OL at this point, but at the 3 or 4 pick, I'd hate to pass up an elite talent.
 
Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Offensive linemen draw Browns' interest

Friday, January 26, 2007

Doug Lesmerises

Plain Dealer Reporter

Mobile, Ala. -- The Browns, along with the rest of the NFL, would have liked a look at Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas this week. But the 6-6, 310-pounder pulled out of Saturday's Senior Bowl late last week, a common move for players projected at the top of the NFL draft.

Though it's agents who typically steer players away from the game, for some scouts, the desire of a top player not to hurt his draft status by risking exposure raises questions about that player's competitiveness. Some of the players here agree.

"It shows a little fear sometimes that maybe you have something to hide," said Penn State tackle Levi Brown. "Maybe you have something to hide."

Thomas was of such high interest to the Browns because, as one member of the staff said, they are looking for an "infusion" of offensive linemen in this draft. Thomas is probably the only lineman worthy of consideration with the Browns' first pick, which will be at either No. 3 or No. 4 pending a coin flip with Tampa Bay.

Of course, Tampa's staff is running the North team and would have loved a week of working with Thomas, too. Everyone in town has also heard that Detroit, picking No. 2, is very interested in Thomas as well. In fact, Thomas was in town this week and reportedly had dinner with the Lions on Monday. And there remains a school of thought that if either of the top two quarterbacks - LSU junior JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame senior Brady Quinn - slip to the Browns, he might be too tempting to pass up.

So if help for the Browns' offensive line doesn't come in the first round, it will definitely come later, and one of the linemen here is a good bet to wind up in Cleveland. Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley, Tennessee guard / tackle Aaron Sears, Arkansas tackle Tony Ugoh and Texas guard Justin Blalock, part of an impressive group of linemen for the South, are among the players who have spoken with the Browns this week.

"I've talked to the Browns a couple times," said Sears. "You just try to be yourself. You've been yourself your whole life and you can't change now."

Staley is a particularly interesting case. Projected as a left tackle, he's playing for the South because the North had four others players at his position. After a slow start to the week, he has proven he can compete outside of a small conference.

"Coming from the MAC not a lot of scouts get a chance to watch us play, so I wanted to show that I'm like the other great athletes out here and I can play with anyone in the country," Staley said. "I wanted to show that I'm more aggressive than people think and show them my explosiveness, which is one of the weaknesses I've had."

If the Browns take a quarterback or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson in the first round, a lineman to clear their way certainly would make sense in the second round. Penn State's Brown had a good week and confirmed his status as a first-round lock, but players like Sears, Ugoh and Auburn's Ben Grubbs are first-round possibilities who could be hanging around when the Browns come up in the second round.

And then the infusion should begin.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

dlesmerises@plaind.com, 216-999-4479
As much as the Browns are in need of o-linemen, I almost hope Thomas is taken before the Browns pick. Everything I've heard and read indicates that he isn't projected to be an elite LT, just the best in this draft. Not that the Browns couldn't use even an average OL at this point, but at the 3 or 4 pick, I'd hate to pass up an elite talent.
I'm hoping they address OL thru FA, go DL (or Peterson) in Round 1, and go OL in Round 2. Then best available OL, DL and DB the rest of the draft. With this franchise's history of crapping out on top 5 picks, I wouldn't mind seeing them trade down either.
 

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