2007 Rookie Draft Picks (1 Viewer)

[vandelyons]

A. Peterson

M. Lynch

C. Johnson

K. Irons

B. Quinn

T. Ginn

D. Jarrett

M. Bush

S. Rice

D. Stanton

G. Olsen

K. Darby

B. Brohm

J. Samardzija

Are you buying or selling 2007 rookie pickes?

The class looks reasonably strong to me. I like the 2007 WRs a lot more than the 2006 class, which was fairly deep, but didn't have a standout like Johnson. There are also three stud RBs in the making (potentially four, pending M. Bush's recovery).

I'd be looking to buy a pick from one of the weaker looking teams in you league.

Thoughts?

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

In a few words. Buy all except the WR's. On the fence with ginn and selling jarrett. Samardzija and Johnson are studs in their own rights.

EDIT: Michael Bush is a push pending eligibility

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

this is definitely a good time to angle for first round picks from those 0-2 teams that are looking for a turnaround. I do think late firsts will be worth more this year than last year, while early 1sts and mid 1st will be worth about the same - main difference being last year had a very strong top 3 QBs and top TE and weak top WRs, while this year will have lesser TEs and QBs, and a sick crop of elite WRs, especially if sidney rice decides to come out.

 

[EBF]

Buy buy buy.

Calvin Johnson is a can't-miss player who should have a very productive NFL career. I'd take him at 1.01 no question.

Dwayne Jarrett, Ted Ginn, and Adrian Peterson all have pretty good pro potential.

Kenny Irons, Michael Bush, Brady Quinn, and Marshawn Lynch are also solid prospects.

I don't know anything about Rice and don't think highly of Jeff S.

 

[coolnerd]

For me, it is way too early in the fantasy season to really figure out the weak teams. Some of the 0-2 teams are high scores who have played bad match-ups and some low scores may have injuried players returning. I am also assuming that your league has good, competitive owners from top to bottom.

Also, even if I am extremely deep somewhere, bye weeks and injuries have a way of challenging depth and wishing I hadn't made that trade. I will admit this is the time of year where you probably can get the best value by trading for a draft pick. Right now, every owner thinks he is picking as at least a playoff team.

As for your list, think a couple of these names will drop off. Brohm for example would be wise to go back and prove he can stay healthy for a season.

 

[vandelyons]

Always love to get your input, Bloom.

Larry Fitzgerald had "can't miss" written all over him a couple years ago. I think Calvin Johnson is nearing that stature. He looks like a sure-top 5, maybe even a top-3 selection to me at this point.

You're right, if Rice comes out, this WR class will be incredible.

I like the 2007 RBs too. The one potential hangup will be the number of open RB jobs. Michael Turner is RFA at the end of the year, but I could see a team in need of a RB ponying up the compensation necessary to wrestle him away from the Bolts. Chris Brown, another UFA, could also make a reasonbly econmical starter. Foster is also UFA.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

don't think highly of Jeff S.

agreed - he's better off going into baseball. I don't even think he's the best WR on the Irish right now.

 

[EBF]

Always love to get your input, Bloom.Larry Fitzgerald had "can't miss" written all over him a couple years ago. I think Calvin Johnson is nearing that stature. He looks like a sure-top 5, maybe even a top-3 selection to me at this point.You're right, if Rice comes out, this WR class will be incredible.I like the 2007 RBs too. The one potential hangup will be the number of open RB jobs. Michael Turner is RFA at the end of the year, but I could see a team in need of a RB ponying up the compensation necessary to wrestle him away from the Bolts. Chris Brown, another UFA, could also make a reasonbly econmical starter. Foster is also UFA.

There's always room for a good player to come in and take a job. I would say these teams are good candidates to have a new starting RB next season:HoustonJacksonvillePittsburghNYJDenverClevelandThat's six teams with weak RBs, and I haven't even factored in the possibility of a team like the Giants or Seahawks drafting a replacement for their aging starter. There's clearly plenty of room to accomodate the usual crop of 3-6 starting caliber rookies.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Always love to get your input, Bloom.Larry Fitzgerald had "can't miss" written all over him a couple years ago. I think Calvin Johnson is nearing that stature. He looks like a sure-top 5, maybe even a top-3 selection to me at this point.You're right, if Rice comes out, this WR class will be incredible.I like the 2007 RBs too. The one potential hangup will be the number of open RB jobs. Michael Turner is RFA at the end of the year, but I could see a team in need of a RB ponying up the compensation necessary to wrestle him away from the Bolts. Chris Brown, another UFA, could also make a reasonbly econmical starter. Foster is also UFA.

There's always room for a good player to come in and take a job. I would say these teams are good candidates to have a new starting RB next season:HoustonJacksonvillePittsburghNYJDenverClevelandThat's six teams with weak RBs, and I haven't even factored in the possibility of a team like the Giants or Seahawks drafting a replacement for their aging starter. There's clearly plenty of room to accomodate the usual crop of 3-6 starting caliber rookies.

also Green Bay

 

[tecmo bo]

Always love to get your input, Bloom.Larry Fitzgerald had "can't miss" written all over him a couple years ago. I think Calvin Johnson is nearing that stature. He looks like a sure-top 5, maybe even a top-3 selection to me at this point.You're right, if Rice comes out, this WR class will be incredible.I like the 2007 RBs too. The one potential hangup will be the number of open RB jobs. Michael Turner is RFA at the end of the year, but I could see a team in need of a RB ponying up the compensation necessary to wrestle him away from the Bolts. Chris Brown, another UFA, could also make a reasonbly econmical starter. Foster is also UFA.

There's always room for a good player to come in and take a job. I would say these teams are good candidates to have a new starting RB next season:HoustonJacksonvillePittsburghNYJDenverClevelandThat's six teams with weak RBs, and I haven't even factored in the possibility of a team like the Giants or Seahawks drafting a replacement for their aging starter. There's clearly plenty of room to accomodate the usual crop of 3-6 starting caliber rookies.

pitt? did'nt parker just re-sign for decent money?

 

[EBF]

Always love to get your input, Bloom.Larry Fitzgerald had "can't miss" written all over him a couple years ago. I think Calvin Johnson is nearing that stature. He looks like a sure-top 5, maybe even a top-3 selection to me at this point.You're right, if Rice comes out, this WR class will be incredible.I like the 2007 RBs too. The one potential hangup will be the number of open RB jobs. Michael Turner is RFA at the end of the year, but I could see a team in need of a RB ponying up the compensation necessary to wrestle him away from the Bolts. Chris Brown, another UFA, could also make a reasonbly econmical starter. Foster is also UFA.

There's always room for a good player to come in and take a job. I would say these teams are good candidates to have a new starting RB next season:HoustonJacksonvillePittsburghNYJDenverClevelandThat's six teams with weak RBs, and I haven't even factored in the possibility of a team like the Giants or Seahawks drafting a replacement for their aging starter. There's clearly plenty of room to accomodate the usual crop of 3-6 starting caliber rookies.

pitt? did'nt parker just re-sign for decent money?

It's a moot point. See: Travis Henry, Deshaun Foster, Thomas Jones, etc. If Willie Parker struggles then I fully believe that the team will bring in competition. That's what good teams do.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

While we're on the subject...

Nat'l televised games to watch this weekend:

Tonight:

Ga Tech vs. UVA - Calvin Johnson is questionable, so don't be alarmed if he's not dominant (or even not on the field)

Sat:

Noon EST

Michigan v Wisconsin - Mike Hart could come out this year if he can stay healthy and be a solid sleeper RB, although he is a bit small. Chad Henne may end up being a top QB prospect when the dust settles. Mario Manningham seems to be on his way to being the next top WR prospect from Michigan. Wisconsin standout frosh RB P.J. Hill faces a stiff test against the Michigan D.

330 EST

PSU vs. OSU - The Troy Smith and Ted Ginn show + Tony Hunt, the big PSU RB who should be a solid sleeper pick in rookie drafts next year.

Texas vs Iowa St - Limas Sweed and Todd Blythe are two huge up and coming Junior WRs.

430 EST

WVU vs. East Carolina - Steve Slaton has arrived folks, sit back and enjoy the fireworks. Pat White is not a bad QB prospect in his own right, but is probably too short to be a top prospect when his time comes. Aundrae Allison is a top senior WR prospect and worth watching when the Pirates have the ball.

745 EST

Kentucky v Florida - I don't buy Chris Leak as a legit NFL QB prospect, but he's still fun to watch. DeShawn Wynn is yet another RB to watch who will be available later in rookie drafts in 2007. Kentucky's Rafael Little is a deep RB sleeper, but more of an all around back than a feature back - he's banged up and may not play.

800 EST

USC v Arizona - The Dwayne Jarrett experience, plus J.D. Booty, who could be a fast riser among junior QBs. Willie Tuitama and Mike Thomas are two sophs worth watching when Arizona has the ball.

ND vs Mich St -Compare Brady Quinn and Drew Stanton side by side, be underwhelmed by Jeff Samardzija. Some like Darius Walker as an RB prospect, but I dont see anything special there. Matt Trannon, who also played on the Spartan b-ball team, is an intriguing WR prospect.

BC vs NC St - BC QB Matt Ryan is a fast rising junior prospect - otherwise you're best off watching the game on ABC.

 

[EBF]

While we're on the subject...

BC vs NC St - BC QB Matt Ryan is a fast rising junior prospect - otherwise you're best off watching the game on ABC.

Keep an eye on Andre Brown (NC State). He was my first ever first round pick in my college dynasty league and he's had some monster games when healthy (248 yards vs. Southern Miss and 179 against Florida State last year). He's a sophomore, but he should be draft-eligible because he spent a year at a military academy. He could be a first day NFL draft pick at some point down the road. He's a big back in the Eddie George/Jamal Lewis mold.

 

[Chaos Commish]

A. Peterson $$$$$

M. Lynch $$$$

C. Johnson $$$

K. Irons SELL

B. Quinn $$

T. Ginn $$$

D. Jarrett $$

M. Bush $

S. Rice $$

D. Stanton $$

G. Olsen ?

K. Darby SELL

B. Brohm $$$

J. Samardzija $$

AD is a stud. You want him very early in his career. Think Eric Dickerson/Earl Campbell type impact. Who Dat has explained this nicely. If you pass on him at 1.01 you make a big mistake.Lynch isn't off to an impressive start and I don't care. He is another stud, better than any back in this past draft but Bush.

Micheal Bush looked fairly amazing for his size before breaking his leg. Very cautious buy on him. Could be Dayne with hands, could be a very nice pro.

Irons is being hyped but lacks elite talent. If he fell to me in a rookie draft and the consensus was hot for him, I would trade away.

Darby. See Irons.

Bloom, as you know, I like these QBs. You couldn't watch Quinn vs. Leinart and rationally argue Leinart was the better talent or prospect a year ago. I know you read my breakdown of Matt's Senior season (struggles). He had some rough spots. I can forgive Quinn a few too. He is a better prospect than Leinart. It's clear to me anyway. Brohm is better than Quinn. Stanton is Quinn's equal or better. Trent Edwards is getting super solid early reviews from scouts. He too is, imo, a better QB than Matt Leinart. And again, I'll toss Ben Olson's name in here just in case he declares-- he is the best QB prospect since Palmer, best in this class, better than any rookie in the league right now.

I like all these WRs including Samardzija. BUT, I'm not calling this group the cream atop this draft class like so many others. WR is an incredibly tough and competitive position in the NFL, and I'm not as enthusiastic about this crop as most. Not a chance I take any of them before Peterson or Lynch.

Another very solid TE class is emerging. I like the two Pac 10 studs better than Greg Olson-- Joe Newton and Zach Miller.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Utah QB, Brett Ratliff, is capable of a meteoric rise in draft status. A bit of an unknown until injury forced him into the lineup. He has amazing accuracy.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Bloom, as you know, I like these QBs. You couldn't watch Quinn vs. Leinart and rationally argue Leinart was the better talent or prospect a year ago. I know you read my breakdown of Matt's Senior season (struggles). He had some rough spots. I can forgive Quinn a few too. He is a better prospect than Leinart. It's clear to me anyway. Brohm is better than Quinn. Stanton is Quinn's equal or better. Trent Edwards is getting super solid early reviews from scouts. He too is, imo, a better QB than Matt Leinart. And again, I'll toss Ben Olson's name in here just in case he declares-- he is the best QB prospect since Palmer, best in this class, better than any rookie in the league right now.

I think I like Brohm and Stanton and better than Quinn, too, but my favorite QB from the 07 class is quickly becoming Kevin Kolb out of Houston - I cant wait to see what he does against Miami-Fl next week. I think the 07 QBs might be close to the 06 QBs in talent, but its hard to imagine better fantasy prospects than Leinart in Arizona and Young anywhere (because of his running ability).

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I like all these WRs including Samardzija. BUT, I'm not calling this group the cream atop this draft class like so many others. WR is an incredibly tough and competitive position in the NFL, and I'm not as enthusiastic about this crop as most. Not a chance I take any of them before Peterson or Lynch.

I think Jarrett and Johnson are Larry Fitz type prospects - special combinations of physical attributes and natural WR skills - that's what makes me so up on this class - also Ginn is just starting to get polished as a WR. Sidney Rice is one of my pet players and I think he can definitely be better than Troy Williamson - the last standout Gamecock WR. I do agree that Peterson and Lynch should go 1-2 in EVERY rookie draft, and Peterson should go #1.

 

[EBF]

I like all these WRs including Samardzija. BUT, I'm not calling this group the cream atop this draft class like so many others. WR is an incredibly tough and competitive position in the NFL, and I'm not as enthusiastic about this crop as most. Not a chance I take any of them before Peterson or Lynch.

I think Jarrett and Johnson are Larry Fitz type prospects - special combinations of physical attributes and natural WR skills - that's what makes me so up on this class - also Ginn is just starting to get polished as a WR. Sidney Rice is one of my pet players and I think he can definitely be better than Troy Williamson - the last standout Gamecock WR. I do agree that Peterson and Lynch should go 1-2 in EVERY rookie draft, and Peterson should go #1.

Peterson definitely has the best chance to be a stud from the get-go, but I really think Johnson and possibly Jarrett might have more dynasty value when it's all said and done. I think it's a matter of philosophy. If you're looking for 2-4 great years, then Peterson is the best pick. If you're looking for 5-10 great years, then Johnson is the best pick. I've been saying for a while that dynasty teams should be built around WRs and this is something I still firmly believe. In a PPR league, I'd take Johnson first regardless of my philosophy. He's just as good as Peterson and he should have a much longer career. In a non-PPR league, you probably have to take the RB. However, I don't recommend taking Lynch/Bush/Irons/whoever over Johnson. At that point, I think you're taking a second tier talent over a first tier talent. I generally don't recommend that.

 

[coolnerd]

Bloom, as you know, I like these QBs. You couldn't watch Quinn vs. Leinart and rationally argue Leinart was the better talent or prospect a year ago. I know you read my breakdown of Matt's Senior season (struggles). He had some rough spots. I can forgive Quinn a few too. He is a better prospect than Leinart. It's clear to me anyway. Brohm is better than Quinn. Stanton is Quinn's equal or better. Trent Edwards is getting super solid early reviews from scouts. He too is, imo, a better QB than Matt Leinart. And again, I'll toss Ben Olson's name in here just in case he declares-- he is the best QB prospect since Palmer, best in this class, better than any rookie in the league right now.

I think I like Brohm and Stanton and better than Quinn, too, but my favorite QB from the 07 class is quickly becoming Kevin Kolb out of Houston - I cant wait to see what he does against Miami-Fl next week. I think the 07 QBs might be close to the 06 QBs in talent, but its hard to imagine better fantasy prospects than Leinart in Arizona and Young anywhere (because of his running ability).

Word of warning about Kolb, he has literally played in that exact weird system of UH's for his entire high school and college career. His high school coach became the coach of Uh and he has started since a Freshman. Definately not sure if he can drop-back and pass the ball in a conventional manner. Even if he is a good pro at the end of the day. Patience will probably be a watch word with him.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Bloom, as you know, I like these QBs. You couldn't watch Quinn vs. Leinart and rationally argue Leinart was the better talent or prospect a year ago. I know you read my breakdown of Matt's Senior season (struggles). He had some rough spots. I can forgive Quinn a few too. He is a better prospect than Leinart. It's clear to me anyway. Brohm is better than Quinn. Stanton is Quinn's equal or better. Trent Edwards is getting super solid early reviews from scouts. He too is, imo, a better QB than Matt Leinart. And again, I'll toss Ben Olson's name in here just in case he declares-- he is the best QB prospect since Palmer, best in this class, better than any rookie in the league right now.

I think I like Brohm and Stanton and better than Quinn, too, but my favorite QB from the 07 class is quickly becoming Kevin Kolb out of Houston - I cant wait to see what he does against Miami-Fl next week. I think the 07 QBs might be close to the 06 QBs in talent, but its hard to imagine better fantasy prospects than Leinart in Arizona and Young anywhere (because of his running ability).

on Kolb. This could be the year of the QB. Troy Smith is amazing. JaMarcus Russell is impressive. I still like Colt Brennan (maybe it's just such a cool name, but the kid has skills). You mentioned Henne coming around. This is deeper than last year, but point taken on fantasy impacts and opportunity.

 

[GDogg]

And again, I'll toss Ben Olson's name in here just in case he declares-- he is the best QB prospect since Palmer, best in this class, better than any rookie in the league right now.

I agree on Ben Olson, but from what I am hearing, he definitely won't be declaring this year. If given time in the pocket, he is incredible. I'd like to see him have a big game on national TV on Saturday against UW.

 

[Otis]

Agreed with the Calvin Johnson hype above. Kid is an instant star.

 

[jurb26]

Buys:

C. Johnson - Is a stud. If the coaching staff at GTech had half a brian they would have beaten ND easy just buy throwing to this guy at least 6 more times in the 2nd half. Has incredible hands and body control. Not too mention size. Reminds me of a bigger Fitz.

K. Irons - Great vision, speed and balance. Has surprising poser for a guy his size. Should be the best value of all rookie RBs this year as they hype will suround Peterson and Lynch. I think you can get Irons for half the price (if you're trading) and he will be on par with the other 2.

T. Ginn - This guy become a WR this past summer! It's about time. He has dominating speed and quickness. He looks to have woked on the route running and catches the ball more easily than previous years. I think he is the best WR in this draft and there are several top flight WR talents in it.

D. Jarrett - Another ubber talent at the WR position for this draft. I rank Jarrett #3 now that Ginn looks to have matured, but he very well could be the best WR in this group. Has everything you could want in a WR, just isn't the best at anything IMO.

M. Bush - Don't let the broken leg discourage you. Bush will be fine and he is a work horse. He is the best power RB to come out in a few years and has very good speed on top of that enormous frame.

S. Rice - The last of the elite WRs in this class is Rice IMO. It's hard to really get a strong gage for his abilities as he plays on a small market team and they don't seem able to get him the ball even when they are on TV. Needless to say, he is good though.

D. Stanton - You just can't beat those Big Ten QBs in the NFL. Storng arm, accurate, huge body and decent wheels. I like Stanton to be a steal.

Sells:

A. Peterson - Fantastic tallent and great overall RB. I just don't like the buying price. Should be the best pure RB in the class, but I don't see the gap others do. I think Irons and Lynch are much closer than many think. I think I'd cash in my chips if I got Peterson.

M. Lynch - Same as Peterson. Not that I don't like the guy. I think he'll be just fine and a good NFL RB. I just think the price will be too high.

G. Olsen - Probably the 1st TE out of Mia that I'm not high on in a while. I just don't see that same gear of seperation in him not consitent enough hands.

K. Darby - Not seeing the talent here to make a difference in the NFL.

B. Brohm - Haven't seen enough of the guy since his freshman year to say one way or the other.

J. Samardzija - I think he has marginal speed and change of direction skills. Just being physical will not work as it has at ND, even though he has great hands.

B.Quinn - Really not sure about him just yet either. He has looked bad in every game I've watched of his this year (which is all 3). I'm begining to think he is more a product of Weis than a product of great talent that will transfer over to the NFL. I know Weis is all glowing about the guy... yadda yadda yadda. It is HIS player right now just remember.

 

[Armando]

half a brian

Glad to see I'm not the only one that does this

 

[Chaos Commish]

Buys:

K. Irons - Great vision, speed and balance. Has surprising poser for a guy his size. Should be the best value of all rookie RBs this year as they hype will suround Peterson and Lynch. I think you can get Irons for half the price (if you're trading) and he will be on par with the other 2.

I'm disagreeing very strongly with this one. He does not have good vision, he is pretty slow for 205 pounds (4.55 estimated), and his balance is nothing to write home about. I don't think he compares to Calhoun, Harrison, Norwood, or Drew from the same weight category in last year's draft. All of them considerably faster, most of them run with better vision, and Irons' balance would be dead last in this group, not to mention he has very little wiggle in comparison and isn't near the receiver as those guys. Nice 0-line. Great coaching. Lots of carries. But this is not a back I see being featured in the NFL, ever. I'll even predict a half dozen or more RBs are drafted ahead of him next year. This is the erroneously hyped player in the NCAA so far.

 

[jurb26]

Buys:

K. Irons - Great vision, speed and balance. Has surprising poser for a guy his size. Should be the best value of all rookie RBs this year as they hype will suround Peterson and Lynch. I think you can get Irons for half the price (if you're trading) and he will be on par with the other 2.

I'm disagreeing very strongly with this one. He does not have good vision, he is pretty slow for 205 pounds (4.55 estimated), and his balance is nothing to write home about. I don't think he compares to Calhoun, Harrison, Norwood, or Drew from the same weight category in last year's draft. All of them considerably faster, most of them run with better vision, and Irons' balance would be dead last in this group, not to mention he has very little wiggle in comparison and isn't near the receiver as those guys. Nice 0-line. Great coaching. Lots of carries. But this is not a back I see being featured in the NFL, ever. I'll even predict a half dozen or more RBs are drafted ahead of him next year. This is the erroneously hyped player in the NCAA so far.

We shall see.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Buys:

T. Ginn - This guy become a WR this past summer! It's about time. He has dominating speed and quickness. He looks to have woked on the route running and catches the ball more easily than previous years. I think he is the best WR in this draft and there are several top flight WR talents in it.

This one I agree with very strongly. Even late last season he looked like a far more dangerous and capable receiver than Holmes, and Holmes was rock solid. If you look above at the "$s" I give the guys from the initial post, I have Ginn and Calvin the same in very loose categories. From what I've seen so far (and lord knows I don't want another pizzing match over Calvin), I like Ginn a little better than the rest. I am very surprised to say that, but what the hey. Kid is unstoppable.

 

[FFdork]

Funny, was reading this thread which reminded me the GT game was on. As soon as I turn it on CJ goes for a 50+ TD.

 

[jurb26]

Funny, was reading this thread which reminded me the GT game was on. As soon as I turn it on CJ goes for a 50+ TD.

Funny how that happens when they actually throw him the ball.

 

[broncofan13000]

 

[higgins]

 

[Kleck.]

Buys:

M. Bush - Don't let the broken leg discourage you. Bush will be fine and he is a work horse. He is the best power RB to come out in a few years and has very good speen on top of that enormous frame.

Bush concerns me. Not because of the leg, but more because I see too much of a Eric Shelton/TJ Duckett/Greg Jones player in him. I'm really impressed by him, it's just I'm usually not a huge fan of the power backs in college. I really do need to see more of him, but for now I see some risk of him being a one-dimentional NFL back. I believe he has the talent to be much more than that, but where he ends up may have a huge impact on how he is used. Put me on board for being a much bigger fan of Bush as a football player than am I of his fantasy potential.

 

[Brewtown]

I just traded Benson (5 year Contract), Thomas Jones (3 years) and Chad Jackson (6) for Randy Moss (5 years), an 07 1st round pick (this guy is 0-2 and some Fantasy dollars..... I had a lot of depth at RB that enabled me to do this.......

My team in this 12 team league is now......

QB (start 1)

Leftwich (6)

Rivers (1)

RB start 2

Ronnie Brown (5)

W. Mcgahee (5)

Frank Gore (6)

WR start 3

Larry Fitz (5)

Randy Moss (5)

Lee Evans (5)

Troy Williamson (5)

Eric Moulds (1)

TE start 1

Kellen Winslow (6)

Ben Troupe (5)

K

S. Graham

DEF

Chargers and Falcons

This league gives PPR for WR and TE (NOT RB)

What do you think about the move I made?

I will now have 2 selections in next years draft.

My rankings for next year.

1) A. P. (this is a No Doubter!, when you get a chance to draft a Lebron or a Shaq, you take him!)

2) Calvin Johnson

3) Marshawn Lynch

4) T Ginn (Ohio ST WR's usually make great pros, especially ones with 4.3 speed!)

5) S. Rice

6) M. Bush

7) K Irons

8) D. Jarrett

9) J. Smarzdija

10) Quinn

 

[FreeBaGeL]

For me, it is way too early in the fantasy season to really figure out the weak teams. Some of the 0-2 teams are high scores who have played bad match-ups and some low scores may have injuried players returning. I am also assuming that your league has good, competitive owners from top to bottom. Also, even if I am extremely deep somewhere, bye weeks and injuries have a way of challenging depth and wishing I hadn't made that trade. I will admit this is the time of year where you probably can get the best value by trading for a draft pick. Right now, every owner thinks he is picking as at least a playoff team.As for your list, think a couple of these names will drop off. Brohm for example would be wise to go back and prove he can stay healthy for a season.

No one said it would be easy, but it can be very rewarding. Obviously there's more to it than just finding an 0-2 team, and you listed some reasons to move on to the next 0-2 team. Last week I did this around week 4 or 5. I focuses on teams that didn't have great records (very bad records was not a requirement) and looked at how good I actually thought the team was by looking at their players, and almost more importantly examining their remaining schedule based on the players of the teams they were facing. I got a bit of luck to help me along the way (a 6 yard garbage time run by LJ in week 16 was huge), but ended up basically through a series of trades for draft picks trading Cedric Benson for the #1 and #2 overall picks.As I said, it can be very rewarding.

 

[jurb26]

4) T Ginn (Ohio ST WR's usually make great pros, especially ones with 4.3 speed!)

Call me crazy, but I'm betting Ginn runs 4.2s. Not the inflated 4.2s that VTech offers either, a legit 4.2.

 

[Ilov80s]

I haven't seen a lot of OU games, so I could be off base here, but I will speak my mind anyway. One concern I have with Peterson is that it seems like he gets the #### kicked out of him every game. He seems to have to work for every yard and I am worried he is coming into the NFL with a ton of mileage. He is a real bruiser, but it seems like he is constantly getting the #### kicked out of him.

I know he is only a sophomore, but what does everyone think of Steve Slaton?

 

[jurb26]

I know he is only a sophomore, but what does everyone think of Steve Slaton?

I love Slaton. The guy is the most dangerous RB in the open field right now in all of college football. Thats WVU system seems to inflate the numbers a bit, but this guy is a great RB.

 

[Brewtown]

4) T Ginn (Ohio ST WR's usually make great pros, especially ones with 4.3 speed!)

Call me crazy, but I'm betting Ginn runs 4.2s. Not the inflated 4.2s that VTech offers either, a legit 4.2.

I agree. I think he is Terry Glenn, but slightly faster.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I know he is only a sophomore, but what does everyone think of Steve Slaton?

I love Slaton. The guy is the most dangerous RB in the open field right now in all of college football. Thats WVU system seems to inflate the numbers a bit, but this guy is a great RB.

Agree with this too. In the FFA game thread, I called him the best back in college football. Long term, I think it's true.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I haven't seen a lot of OU games, so I could be off base here, but I will speak my mind anyway. One concern I have with Peterson is that it seems like he gets the #### kicked out of him every game. He seems to have to work for every yard and I am worried he is coming into the NFL with a ton of mileage. He is a real bruiser, but it seems like he is constantly getting the #### kicked out of him.

These are valid concerns. He probably could benefit from learning to go down at certain times when fighting is futile. It's why I said you want him very early in his career. He'll be the best back on whatever team drafts him and he'll be an opening day starter. With an average line he'll be well above average, but I doubt he lasts a decade. It gives support to EBF's take on WRs, but I don't care. If Peterson brings me a title like LJ did last year, who needs a 10 year WR?

 

[coolnerd]

For me, it is way too early in the fantasy season to really figure out the weak teams. Some of the 0-2 teams are high scores who have played bad match-ups and some low scores may have injuried players returning. I am also assuming that your league has good, competitive owners from top to bottom. Also, even if I am extremely deep somewhere, bye weeks and injuries have a way of challenging depth and wishing I hadn't made that trade. I will admit this is the time of year where you probably can get the best value by trading for a draft pick. Right now, every owner thinks he is picking as at least a playoff team.As for your list, think a couple of these names will drop off. Brohm for example would be wise to go back and prove he can stay healthy for a season.

No one said it would be easy, but it can be very rewarding. Obviously there's more to it than just finding an 0-2 team, and you listed some reasons to move on to the next 0-2 team. Last week I did this around week 4 or 5. I focuses on teams that didn't have great records (very bad records was not a requirement) and looked at how good I actually thought the team was by looking at their players, and almost more importantly examining their remaining schedule based on the players of the teams they were facing. I got a bit of luck to help me along the way (a 6 yard garbage time run by LJ in week 16 was huge), but ended up basically through a series of trades for draft picks trading Cedric Benson for the #1 and #2 overall picks.As I said, it can be very rewarding.

Excellent points. My biggest counter is that in week 4 or 5 some of my issues are clearer at that point. As i read your post and the originator of this thread the biggest point is not wait the week before your in season trade deadline in order to make the move for top draft picks by doing a little anticipation.

 

[walkmac]

The real question here is what is the value to give for a pick that may be in the Top 4 of a 2007 dynasty draft. My league has 4 teams that are 0-2, and while this does not guarantee a top 4 pick by any means it does create a significant hole to get out of. You can gauge a little more by looking at the 0-2 players roster, injuries, etc.

So, assume that you have an 0-2 team in your league and you are of the opinion that it is very likely that that team will finish with a top 4 pick. Which QBs, RBs and WRs would you part with?

 

[elpasotexan]

The real question here is what is the value to give for a pick that may be in the Top 4 of a 2007 dynasty draft. My league has 4 teams that are 0-2, and while this does not guarantee a top 4 pick by any means it does create a significant hole to get out of. You can gauge a little more by looking at the 0-2 players roster, injuries, etc. So, assume that you have an 0-2 team in your league and you are of the opinion that it is very likely that that team will finish with a top 4 pick. Which QBs, RBs and WRs would you part with?

The problem with this is that they would want value, which means someone good. That in turn could cause that team to win a game or two more, thereby ruing your chances at #1 or 2. It's probably better to wait a little.

 

[walkmac]

The real question here is what is the value to give for a pick that may be in the Top 4 of a 2007 dynasty draft. My league has 4 teams that are 0-2, and while this does not guarantee a top 4 pick by any means it does create a significant hole to get out of. You can gauge a little more by looking at the 0-2 players roster, injuries, etc. So, assume that you have an 0-2 team in your league and you are of the opinion that it is very likely that that team will finish with a top 4 pick. Which QBs, RBs and WRs would you part with?

The problem with this is that they would want value, which means someone good. That in turn could cause that team to win a game or two more, thereby ruing your chances at #1 or 2. It's probably better to wait a little.

I tend to disagree here, although alot would depend on the individual owner. At 0-2 I think most owners still think things can be turned around. If the 0-2 owner loses future games the value of the pick increases, while if he wins future games the value of the pick decreases. I'm suggesting you can take a team that is 0-2 now and try to gauge what is going to happen to them in the future, and thereby gauge where they finish. You are focusing on the team(s) that you think are going to continue to strugggle and finish with a high draft pick. By pulling the trigger now you are going to get a better deal than you would by waiting until those team(s) are 0-4. This is admittedly a guessing game, but I think the time to look for those deals is now.

 

[elpasotexan]

The real question here is what is the value to give for a pick that may be in the Top 4 of a 2007 dynasty draft. My league has 4 teams that are 0-2, and while this does not guarantee a top 4 pick by any means it does create a significant hole to get out of. You can gauge a little more by looking at the 0-2 players roster, injuries, etc. So, assume that you have an 0-2 team in your league and you are of the opinion that it is very likely that that team will finish with a top 4 pick. Which QBs, RBs and WRs would you part with?

The problem with this is that they would want value, which means someone good. That in turn could cause that team to win a game or two more, thereby ruing your chances at #1 or 2. It's probably better to wait a little.

I tend to disagree here, although alot would depend on the individual owner. At 0-2 I think most owners still think things can be turned around. If the 0-2 owner loses future games the value of the pick increases, while if he wins future games the value of the pick decreases. I'm suggesting you can take a team that is 0-2 now and try to gauge what is going to happen to them in the future, and thereby gauge where they finish. You are focusing on the team(s) that you think are going to continue to strugggle and finish with a high draft pick. By pulling the trigger now you are going to get a better deal than you would by waiting until those team(s) are 0-4. This is admittedly a guessing game, but I think the time to look for those deals is now.

While I agree to a point, with injuries and the like, it is very hard to predict who will end up where. I may get burnt this next draft doing what you have stated should be done. I guage a team in our 16 team IDP league as being the worst. I had 6 first round pick and 8 second rounders. I looked the teams of all the first round picks I had. I identified a at the roster of a team that I thought was VERY strong (I gauged 3rd or 4th best) that I had a first rounder. I offered that teams first rounder that I had and a second to the "worst team". He took the deal before kickoff the first week. Who knew the WRs of the "good" team (Boldin/Housh/Chambers) would be having subpar years. Now, that bad team is 2-0 and the good team is 0-2. Point is, with injuries, surprises (Coles, for instance) and other factors, it may be a crap shoot.

 

[oukurt]

I like all these WRs including Samardzija. BUT, I'm not calling this group the cream atop this draft class like so many others. WR is an incredibly tough and competitive position in the NFL, and I'm not as enthusiastic about this crop as most. Not a chance I take any of them before Peterson or Lynch.

I think Jarrett and Johnson are Larry Fitz type prospects - special combinations of physical attributes and natural WR skills - that's what makes me so up on this class - also Ginn is just starting to get polished as a WR. Sidney Rice is one of my pet players and I think he can definitely be better than Troy Williamson - the last standout Gamecock WR. I do agree that Peterson and Lynch should go 1-2 in EVERY rookie draft, and Peterson should go #1.

Peterson definitely has the best chance to be a stud from the get-go, but I really think Johnson and possibly Jarrett might have more dynasty value when it's all said and done. I think it's a matter of philosophy. If you're looking for 2-4 great years, then Peterson is the best pick. If you're looking for 5-10 great years, then Johnson is the best pick. I've been saying for a while that dynasty teams should be built around WRs and this is something I still firmly believe. In a PPR league, I'd take Johnson first regardless of my philosophy. He's just as good as Peterson and he should have a much longer career. In a non-PPR league, you probably have to take the RB. However, I don't recommend taking Lynch/Bush/Irons/whoever over Johnson. At that point, I think you're taking a second tier talent over a first tier talent. I generally don't recommend that.

Although I wouldn't get into the business of predicting how long a player will last in the league, I do agree that CJ will deserve consideration at 1.01 in PPR league rookie drafts next year. Hell I would have taken him 1.03 behind Bush and Maroney this year if I could have.I love my boy Peterson and think he will prosper in the right situation, but when everyone gets to see what Calvin does at the combines next year, you can bet he will go 1.01 in some rookie drafts. Dude is a once a decade type WR coming into the league if you ask me. 6 ft 5, burner speed, can jump out of the stadium, great hands, and he is a boy scout to top it off.

 

[oukurt]

4) T Ginn (Ohio ST WR's usually make great pros, especially ones with 4.3 speed!)

Call me crazy, but I'm betting Ginn runs 4.2s. Not the inflated 4.2s that VTech offers either, a legit 4.2.

AgreeHe will put up a 40 time close to Joey Galloway's time back in the day.

 

[cstu]

I really liked next year's class so I traded for 5 1st round picks. With 6 of the 12 1st rounds picks I feel good about getting some good players in the 2007 draft.

 

[elpasotexan]

I really liked next year's class so I traded for 5 1st round picks. With 6 of the 12 1st rounds picks I feel good about getting some good players in the 2007 draft.

Likewise, I traded all last year when my season was "done" and ended up with 6 firsts and 8 seconds. In my league, with limited contract years, this was too much, so I traded away a first and a few seconds. This years WR class looks prime choice.

 

[beto]

It looks like a good year to pick up a WR. Nobody is trading picks yet in my leagues.