2007 Rookie Draft / QUARTERBACKS (1 Viewer)

[aposulli]

Another D1AA star to keep an eye on...Jason Murrietta, QB, Northern ArizonaAnd two of the most productive underclassmen are facing off today, my undergrad UMass Amherst and Liam Coen about to face off against UNH and Ricky Santos

John David Booty DEFINITLY isn't coming out after tonight's performance.Rankings edited.

Chris Leak has also put in an underwhelming performance thus far.He does not look like NFL material tonight.

Yeah, I've been one of the Leak bashers this season. If there was no loyalty to the upperclassmen Tebow would take every snap.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Another D1AA star to keep an eye on...Jason Murrietta, QB, Northern ArizonaAnd two of the most productive underclassmen are facing off today, my undergrad UMass Amherst and Liam Coen about to face off against UNH and Ricky Santos

John David Booty DEFINITLY isn't coming out after tonight's performance.Rankings edited.

Chris Leak has also put in an underwhelming performance thus far.He does not look like NFL material tonight.

Yeah, I've been one of the Leak bashers this season. If there was no loyalty to the upperclassmen Tebow would take every snap.

Especially being 6'0",Leak may have to put his degree to use.------------------------------------------------Jarrett Brown QB WVA6'3" 210Red-shirt freshman / remember the namelooked awesome tonight.

 

[Sea Bass]

If Russell declares he'll be a first round lock, and there's not many QB's I would personally take before him for fantasy purposes.Troy Smith is a QB that's debated a lot and my opinion has about him has changed quite a bit. I think given time Smith could be a good QB, he's got a huge arm, doesn't make many mistakes and can avoid pressure if need be, I do however question his ability to read defenses and find open receivers effectively in the NFL, he might be a one trick poney.Many felt Jordan Palmer had first round potential going into this year, he won't be a first round pick but should be a first day pick, isn't as good as his brother but has a rocket arm and still learning the QB position, if I'm not mistaken he only played QB 1 year in HS before going to college so the potential is there.It's hard not to like Tyler Palko, watching him play he looks tailored made for the NFL and he gets bonus points for being lefty. He could be a first day pick that's groomed to be the heir of a team and be successful, he plays a lot like Leinart without the buzz around him.

Russell will definitely in my top 10 rooks for fantasy if he declares.Smith's main issue is that he's short. Shorter than his listed height. He's like a more athletic and stronger-armed Brees with less touch. Palmer's decision making is horrendous. he's Mr. Interception. All he has going for him is his bloodline.I like Palko as a hard-nosed MAC type QB. Hoping the Steelers take him in the 5th or 6th (sigh Omar Jacobs)

Booo comparing the Big East to the MAC.Palko >>> Gradkowski

When you're talking QBs, trust me, you *want* to be compared to the MAC.

Granted Ben has been pretty damn good up until this year, what besides Frye, Gradkowski and Omar Jacobs have they produced?

Leftwich, Pennington, ???

Charlie Batch...

 

[Chaos Commish]

I think Brohm should stay in school, but it looks 50/50 right now. He would in the 2nd tier mix, with a lower ceiling and a higher floor than Smith and Russell.

Brohm stays.

 

[aposulli]

I think Brohm should stay in school, but it looks 50/50 right now. He would in the 2nd tier mix, with a lower ceiling and a higher floor than Smith and Russell.

Brohm stays.

Rankings edited.BIG news... could this mean Michael Bush is going to use his medical redshirt and come back for one more try at a Championship??

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think Brohm should stay in school, but it looks 50/50 right now. He would in the 2nd tier mix, with a lower ceiling and a higher floor than Smith and Russell.

Brohm stays.

Rankings edited.BIG news... could this mean Michael Bush is going to use his medical redshirt and come back for one more try at a Championship??

That's huge news, I really thought Brohm would go pro.He was the cream of the crop this year, imo.

I hope he stays healthy throughout his senior year.

 

[wannabee]

From what I have read this week, it says Brohm is "leaning" going pro. Then, today I read something where he was backtracking. I think it is way too early to know now whether BB will be back at LU or go pro.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Brohm SHOULD come back. HE has a great chance at winning a National Title, winning the Heisman, and being the #1 pick in the draft, especially if Russell declares.

 

[aposulli]

per ESPN:

Quarterback Chad Henne and first-team All-America offensive tackle Jake Long announced Thursday that they will return to Michigan for their senior seasons.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2697517Rankings updated (see post 21)

 

[Chaos Commish]

June Jones and Jerry Glanville are rumored to be advising Colt to go ahead and take advantage of his absolutely ridiculous year if he wants to.

And the rumors gains substance.

THE "extraordinary situation" that Colt Brennan talks about now looks like a real possibility, and the Hawaii junior quarterback might leave a year early for the NFL.

But Brennan said yesterday he wants it made clear that even if he is evaluated as a potential first-round draft pick, it doesn't guarantee he will turn pro after the Dec. 24 Hawaii Bowl.

"I'm very happy here and there are plenty of good reasons to come back. Coming back would definitely be great for the program and for me," said Brennan, who was named a third-team Associated Press All-American yesterday. "But I would definitely have to consider it. That's a pretty big opportunity and there's no guarantee it would be there later. If they (the NFL advisory board) suggest it, I would have to take a step back and look at things."

Two veteran NFL scouts told the Star-Bulletin this week they believe Brennan could be a first-round pick if he went out for the draft. A third scout reserved judgment until he could view tape of Brennan.

Brennan said yesterday a first-round evaluation from the NFL would be the cutoff on considering making a move to the pros.

Hmmm... I think those NFL scouts are probably pushing the "could be" a little bit. I like Brennan. I pimped him as a Sophomore, and argued it wasn't just the Run and Shoot. He has a big dose of IT going for him, a lightening release and pinpoint accuracy. I can't help but think of Omar Jacobs here. Had he come out early he had a first round evaluation and probably would have fallen a little, but staying was a huge mistake. Brennan might benefit by staying in school, but how much? He completed 72% of his passes leading the nation, and he did so for 4990 yards also leading the nation and he only threw 11 picks against his nation leading 53 TDs! Wow. He should declare and not be disheartened if he falls a round or two. There is nothing left for him to prove in college. He is already a year older than his class.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Brennan will go in the first 50 picks if Russell, Brohm, and Ainge follow Henne back to college. The only clear QB ahead of him is Quinn, and solid workouts could push him ahead of Stanton and Smith.

colin

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Brennan will go in the first 50 picks if Russell, Brohm, and Ainge follow Henne back to college. The only clear QB ahead of him is Quinn, and solid workouts could push him ahead of Stanton and Smith.colin

I respectfully disagree.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

per ESPN:

Quarterback Chad Henne and first-team All-America offensive tackle Jake Long announced Thursday that they will return to Michigan for their senior seasons.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2697517Rankings updated (see post 21)

Also from that article:

Meanwhile, junior running back Mike Hart said he was "99 percent sure" he would return to Michigan.

99% isn't 100%, but that's something to keep in mind.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

 

[aposulli]

per ESPN:

Quarterback Chad Henne and first-team All-America offensive tackle Jake Long announced Thursday that they will return to Michigan for their senior seasons.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2697517Rankings updated (see post 21)

Also from that article:

Meanwhile, junior running back Mike Hart said he was "99 percent sure" he would return to Michigan.

99% isn't 100%, but that's something to keep in mind.

yep... updated the RB thread too.As of now, I'd say Henne, Hart, Brohm AND Bush will stay.

Only question among potential top 10 fantasy picks I'd think are Antonio Pittman, Colt Brennan, and Sidney Rice.

 

[Tenderknee]

University of Hawaii's Colt Brennan was the best QB in the nation easily this year. He trounced on some notable records, and he did it with a very unusual combination of accuracy and attempts. No one, including Dan Marino who was probably the best college QB ever, matches what Colt Brennan did. If he comes out, he is exactly what Kurt Warner was early in his career. He is a gun slinging, highly accurate, quick reader of the defenses, team motivator, and high character guy that you will want on your team. Which other QBs can you say all of that about. Quinn and Smith are good, but their quarterbacking skills are limited to managing a game and handing off very well. If the Rams or Detroit were to get ahold of Colt, you will see what June Jones was cooking down in Hawaii.

Yes, I drank the kool aid

 

[Santa Fe Trail]

I agree on Colt. I watched him for the first time in the Aloha Bowl and was blown away. Numbers aside (he's got some good WRs who picked up a lot of RAC and some quick screens to boost his completion %), he looks like a passing savant. He's incredibly fluid and natural as a thrower making a variety of throws with a hair-trigger release. He has the feet to move around and make instinctual type plays. He's a fiery competitor as well. I have no idea how many NFL teams could pass on him. He seems like a tremendous fit for Gruden.

 

[EBF]

I think this is a good year to avoid the top QBs in your rookie drafts. Most of these guys just don't look very special to me. I think you'd get more bang for your buck by taking a late flyer on someone like Trent Edwards. If he had been on Notre Dame, he very well could've put up the same stats as Quinn.

The only guy that I'd be willing to gamble a top 20 rookie pick on is Erik Ainge, but it sounds like he won't be in the draft.

 

[Grimmett]

 

[aposulli]

University of Hawaii's Colt Brennan was the best QB in the nation easily this year. He trounced on some notable records, and he did it with a very unusual combination of accuracy and attempts. No one, including Dan Marino who was probably the best college QB ever, matches what Colt Brennan did. If he comes out, he is exactly what Kurt Warner was early in his career. He is a gun slinging, highly accurate, quick reader of the defenses, team motivator, and high character guy that you will want on your team. Which other QBs can you say all of that about. Quinn and Smith are good, but their quarterbacking skills are limited to managing a game and handing off very well. If the Rams or Detroit were to get ahold of Colt, you will see what June Jones was cooking down in Hawaii.Yes, I drank the kool aid

Looks like Colt along with Brohm are on teh fence about coming out.Brohm is leaning toward coming back while Colt seems to be seriously considering coming out if he grades out high.Word is that he is projected as a 2nd Rounder but he requested a Draft Grade by NFL Scouts and if he receives a 1st Round grade, he will leave school early.

 

[Don Quixote]

Zabransky has got to be making a bit of a move up the board with his performance tonight. If there was any doubt, he's definitely proving that he is a different QB from the one who played in the Georgia game last year (when he had 6 TO's in the first half).

 

[Chaos Commish]

Did anyone catch that Conference USA Championship gametonight ? Kolb looked very poised. He exhibited some nice speed as wellwith his 46 yard TD run.

Bloom and I (and others I'm sure) have given Kolb his props around here. In a mock I posted a couple days ago, I predict 7 QBs from this class will eventually be starting in the NFL. Kolb is one of them. I think he's that capable. I'll have some high praise for him in the run up to the draft, but he is 7th in my rankings with the possibility of falling lower for an underclassman or two.

You know I love Kolb - good arm, good release, decisive QB, sees the whole field when he scrambles. The best QB that nobody's seen (until last night).Who are the 7? Quinn,Smith,Russell,Stanton,Brohm, Kolb, and Edwards?

1. JaMarcus Russell2. Brian Brohm3. Brady Quinn4. Troy Smith 5. Drew Stanton6. Trent Edwards7. Kevin Kolb8. Tyler Palko9. Isaiah Stanback10. John BeckI'm still watching recorded games of these guys, so rankings are fluid, but this is how I have them right now. I would bump him down for Henne or Brennan. June Jones and Jerry Glanville are rumored to be advising Colt to go ahead and take advantage of his absolutely ridiculous year if he wants to. A Kolb caveat. He's going to shrink considerably during draft season. I've been going on the 6-3 in his profile for two years. It would downgrade him in some respects, but I still think he wins an NFL job and ends up starting before he's done. I love his poise and accuracy. He also has a bit of "it factor" working for him. He's a winner. And of course, I like wheels on my QBs.

Maybe I'm overreacting to the Sugar Bowl. I even mentioned in another thread that it wouldn't be Quinn's fault if LSU overpowered the Irish, but the difference in those two QBs was far more than I expected. I can't move Russell any higher than I had him, but Troy Smith would have performed better than Quinn for the Irish in that situation. I've been defending Quinn here and there, but he's dropping a notch in my ratings. Some other adjustments in the bottom five too.1. Jamarcus Russell - Wow2. Brian Brohm - may stay in school3. Troy Smith - better than Quinn4. Brady Quinn - disappointing5. Drew Stanton - same6. Kevin Kolb - moving up7. John Beck - age bugs me but moving up8. Trent Edwards - Senior Bowl is huge9. Tyler Palko - good prospect 10. Isaiah Stanback - by a threadKolb and Beck move up and they had bowl games where the others didn't so maybe I'm just letting watching them impress impress me too much, but I was pleasantly surprised with both and have a pretty good feel for the Pac 10 qbs I moved them past.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Did anyone catch that Conference USA Championship gametonight ? Kolb looked very poised. He exhibited some nice speed as wellwith his 46 yard TD run.

Bloom and I (and others I'm sure) have given Kolb his props around here. In a mock I posted a couple days ago, I predict 7 QBs from this class will eventually be starting in the NFL. Kolb is one of them. I think he's that capable. I'll have some high praise for him in the run up to the draft, but he is 7th in my rankings with the possibility of falling lower for an underclassman or two.

You know I love Kolb - good arm, good release, decisive QB, sees the whole field when he scrambles. The best QB that nobody's seen (until last night).Who are the 7? Quinn,Smith,Russell,Stanton,Brohm, Kolb, and Edwards?

1. JaMarcus Russell2. Brian Brohm3. Brady Quinn4. Troy Smith 5. Drew Stanton6. Trent Edwards7. Kevin Kolb8. Tyler Palko9. Isaiah Stanback10. John BeckI'm still watching recorded games of these guys, so rankings are fluid, but this is how I have them right now. I would bump him down for Henne or Brennan. June Jones and Jerry Glanville are rumored to be advising Colt to go ahead and take advantage of his absolutely ridiculous year if he wants to. A Kolb caveat. He's going to shrink considerably during draft season. I've been going on the 6-3 in his profile for two years. It would downgrade him in some respects, but I still think he wins an NFL job and ends up starting before he's done. I love his poise and accuracy. He also has a bit of "it factor" working for him. He's a winner. And of course, I like wheels on my QBs.

Maybe I'm overreacting to the Sugar Bowl. I even mentioned in another thread that it wouldn't be Quinn's fault if LSU overpowered the Irish, but the difference in those two QBs was far more than I expected. I can't move Russell any higher than I had him, but Troy Smith would have performed better than Quinn for the Irish in that situation. I've been defending Quinn here and there, but he's dropping a notch in my ratings. Some other adjustments in the bottom five too.1. Jamarcus Russell - Wow2. Brian Brohm - may stay in school3. Troy Smith - better than Quinn4. Brady Quinn - disappointing5. Drew Stanton - same6. Kevin Kolb - moving up7. John Beck - age bugs me but moving up8. Trent Edwards - Senior Bowl is huge9. Tyler Palko - good prospect 10. Isaiah Stanback - by a threadKolb and Beck move up and they had bowl games where the others didn't so maybe I'm just letting watching them impress impress me too much, but I was pleasantly surprised with both and have a pretty good feel for the Pac 10 qbs I moved them past.

Youre not overreacting. Ive been looking forward to this game more than any other bowl except the title game because it would sort these two out a la VY and Leinart last year.Russell goes before Quinn easily unless he botches the pre-draft stuff. I don't think Quinn will fall below Smith unless Smith measures out 6'0", but if Smith does and finishes with a good game, it's not that big of a stretch. Brohm, I can't figure out. He looks like Peyton Manning at times, cerebral with pinpoint accuracy, but he's not much under pressure, not a good athlete, and he's been hurt a lot - not to mention the lack of success Louisville Qbs have had. I can see a team talking themselves into taking him in the top 10, but I could also see him as low as the 4th QB taken.Agreed on Stanton and Kolb. Stanton could actually end up being a nice gamble for a mid to late 2nd if both of the big time junior QBs come out. The Kolb - Houston talk is starting, and I like it.Beck is not overwhelming, but efficient, I see some of Garcia there.Edwards has the most to gain of any QB in the predraft activities. I like Palko as a backup type, scrappy like Frye, but Stanback has more upside. He looked raw but very promising and tough-minded. What about Zabransky? He'll ride a wave from Boise State's big game for sure.

 

[-OZ-]

Should Lions fans be hoping for Quinn or Russell?I've seen a fair amount of both, and I'm hoping for Russell.

No doubt about it now.

 

[aposulli]

Did anyone catch that Conference USA Championship gametonight ? Kolb looked very poised. He exhibited some nice speed as wellwith his 46 yard TD run.

Bloom and I (and others I'm sure) have given Kolb his props around here. In a mock I posted a couple days ago, I predict 7 QBs from this class will eventually be starting in the NFL. Kolb is one of them. I think he's that capable. I'll have some high praise for him in the run up to the draft, but he is 7th in my rankings with the possibility of falling lower for an underclassman or two.

You know I love Kolb - good arm, good release, decisive QB, sees the whole field when he scrambles. The best QB that nobody's seen (until last night).Who are the 7? Quinn,Smith,Russell,Stanton,Brohm, Kolb, and Edwards?

1. JaMarcus Russell2. Brian Brohm3. Brady Quinn4. Troy Smith 5. Drew Stanton6. Trent Edwards7. Kevin Kolb8. Tyler Palko9. Isaiah Stanback10. John BeckI'm still watching recorded games of these guys, so rankings are fluid, but this is how I have them right now. I would bump him down for Henne or Brennan. June Jones and Jerry Glanville are rumored to be advising Colt to go ahead and take advantage of his absolutely ridiculous year if he wants to. A Kolb caveat. He's going to shrink considerably during draft season. I've been going on the 6-3 in his profile for two years. It would downgrade him in some respects, but I still think he wins an NFL job and ends up starting before he's done. I love his poise and accuracy. He also has a bit of "it factor" working for him. He's a winner. And of course, I like wheels on my QBs.

Maybe I'm overreacting to the Sugar Bowl. I even mentioned in another thread that it wouldn't be Quinn's fault if LSU overpowered the Irish, but the difference in those two QBs was far more than I expected. I can't move Russell any higher than I had him, but Troy Smith would have performed better than Quinn for the Irish in that situation. I've been defending Quinn here and there, but he's dropping a notch in my ratings. Some other adjustments in the bottom five too.1. Jamarcus Russell - Wow2. Brian Brohm - may stay in school3. Troy Smith - better than Quinn4. Brady Quinn - disappointing5. Drew Stanton - same6. Kevin Kolb - moving up7. John Beck - age bugs me but moving up8. Trent Edwards - Senior Bowl is huge9. Tyler Palko - good prospect 10. Isaiah Stanback - by a threadKolb and Beck move up and they had bowl games where the others didn't so maybe I'm just letting watching them impress impress me too much, but I was pleasantly surprised with both and have a pretty good feel for the Pac 10 qbs I moved them past.

Youre not overreacting. Ive been looking forward to this game more than any other bowl except the title game because it would sort these two out a la VY and Leinart last year.Russell goes before Quinn easily unless he botches the pre-draft stuff. I don't think Quinn will fall below Smith unless Smith measures out 6'0", but if Smith does and finishes with a good game, it's not that big of a stretch. Brohm, I can't figure out. He looks like Peyton Manning at times, cerebral with pinpoint accuracy, but he's not much under pressure, not a good athlete, and he's been hurt a lot - not to mention the lack of success Louisville Qbs have had. I can see a team talking themselves into taking him in the top 10, but I could also see him as low as the 4th QB taken.Agreed on Stanton and Kolb. Stanton could actually end up being a nice gamble for a mid to late 2nd if both of the big time junior QBs come out. The Kolb - Houston talk is starting, and I like it.Beck is not overwhelming, but efficient, I see some of Garcia there.Edwards has the most to gain of any QB in the predraft activities. I like Palko as a backup type, scrappy like Frye, but Stanback has more upside. He looked raw but very promising and tough-minded. What about Zabransky? He'll ride a wave from Boise State's big game for sure.

Zabransky was a fringe NFL Draft prospect, but to me, anybody beyond Russell, Quinn, Brohm, Stanton, Smith, and perhaps Brennan will have to distinguish themselves in workouts/all-star games in order to get serious consideration as not just 1st Day picks, but drafted at all. Zabransky's game, while not GREAT, certainly impressed me against an decent D in Oklahoma.I have moved Russell up to #1 and Zabransky from 19 to 17 (See Post#21)

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Zabransky was a fringe NFL Draft prospect, but to me, anybody beyond Russell, Quinn, Brohm, Stanton, Smith, and perhaps Brennan will have to distinguish themselves in workouts/all-star games in order to get serious consideration as not just 1st Day picks, but drafted at all. Zabransky's game, while not GREAT, certainly impressed me against an decent D in Oklahoma.I have moved Russell up to #1 and Zabransky in the top 16.

I don't think Kolb is going to have to distinguish himself from his body work (other than being over 6'1") to get drafted. I think he goes in in 3-4 round range.

 

[aposulli]

Zabransky was a fringe NFL Draft prospect, but to me, anybody beyond Russell, Quinn, Brohm, Stanton, Smith, and perhaps Brennan will have to distinguish themselves in workouts/all-star games in order to get serious consideration as not just 1st Day picks, but drafted at all. Zabransky's game, while not GREAT, certainly impressed me against an decent D in Oklahoma.I have moved Russell up to #1 and Zabransky in the top 16.

I don't think Kolb is going to have to distinguish himself from his body work (other than being over 6'1") to get drafted. I think he goes in in 3-4 round range.

I was a big Kolb fan going into this year and I agree he should be a Day 1 pick, no question. Probly will be one of the first 6 selected.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What about Zabransky? He'll ride a wave from Boise State's big game for sure.

I agree with aposulli. I'm trying to limit my focus to about 15 QBs because less than that will get drafted. Being out west I have seen Zabransky at length... and he is right there on the fringe of 15-17 and probably not draft material. Put it this way. He's no Paul Pinegar.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What about Zabransky? He'll ride a wave from Boise State's big game for sure.

I agree with aposulli. I'm trying to limit my focus to about 15 QBs because less than that will get drafted. Being out west I have seen Zabransky at length... and he is right there on the fringe of 15-17 and probably not draft material. Put it this way. He's no Paul Pinegar.

Bloom, what's your take on Zabransky? He's taking this thing very serious. Dropped out of school, signed an agent. He's going to give it his best shot.

 

[Chris Smith]

Even before the bowl games began, JaMarcus Russell was far and away the best quarterback prospect in my opinion. In fact I believe he stands out well away from the rest of the pack in my mind for players who can be great in the NFL...

Tier One (Potential Pro Bowler)...

JaMarcus Russell

Tier Two..(Potential Solid Starter)...

Brian Brohm

Brady Quinn

Drew Stanton

Tier Three... (Should stick around as a backup / occasional starter)

Troy Smith

Chad Henne

Tyler Palko

Tier Four... (NFL Europe awaits)

Kevin Kolb

Jordan Palmer

Trent Edwards

 

[JohnnyU]

Even before the bowl games began, JaMarcus Russell was far and away the best quarterback prospect in my opinion. In fact I believe he stands out well away from the rest of the pack in my mind for players who can be great in the NFL...Tier One (Potential Pro Bowler)...JaMarcus RussellTier Two..(Potential Solid Starter)...Brian BrohmBrady QuinnDrew StantonTier Three... (Should stick around as a backup / occasional starter)Troy SmithChad HenneTyler PalkoTier Four... (NFL Europe awaits)Kevin KolbJordan PalmerTrent Edwards

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

 

[aposulli]

Henne isn't coming out.

Colt Brennan might.

Bobby Petrino is lobbying hard to get Brohm back for one more shot at the National Championship.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Even before the bowl games began, JaMarcus Russell was far and away the best quarterback prospect in my opinion. In fact I believe he stands out well away from the rest of the pack in my mind for players who can be great in the NFL...

Tier One (Potential Pro Bowler)...

JaMarcus Russell

Tier Two..(Potential Solid Starter)...

Brian Brohm

Brady Quinn

Drew Stanton

Tier Three... (Should stick around as a backup / occasional starter)

Troy Smith

Chad Henne

Tyler Palko

Tier Four... (NFL Europe awaits)

Kevin Kolb

Jordan Palmer

Trent Edwards

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

Please explain what would be so wrong with that....

 

[Chris Smith]

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

I like Troy Smith and I hope he does well. I do believe there is a shot he is the second best coming out this season as I am really not a fan of any quarterback this season other than Russell. However he does have a lot to work on in order to make the transition to the pros. He just isn't ready in my opinion to set up as a quarterback on an NFL team at this point in time and Russell is a much better prospect right now.

 

[JohnnyU]

Even before the bowl games began, JaMarcus Russell was far and away the best quarterback prospect in my opinion. In fact I believe he stands out well away from the rest of the pack in my mind for players who can be great in the NFL...

Tier One (Potential Pro Bowler)...

JaMarcus Russell

Tier Two..(Potential Solid Starter)...

Brian Brohm

Brady Quinn

Drew Stanton

Tier Three... (Should stick around as a backup / occasional starter)

Troy Smith

Chad Henne

Tyler Palko

Tier Four... (NFL Europe awaits)

Kevin Kolb

Jordan Palmer

Trent Edwards

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

Please explain what would be so wrong with that....

Last timie I checked Culpepper sucked his last healthy full season, and sucked when healthy in his most recent shortened season, Leftwich hasn't been anything special either, and is also injury prone. I see Russell as being no better than either of those two.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Anybody know where QB Matt Moore out of Oregon State will slot (if he gets drafted)?

He has good size at 6'4", 191 lbs (could stand to bulk up some more). Also completed 60.58% of his passes and had an INTPA rate of 1.85% in 378 attempts.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

I moved Smith above Quinn, and I did it confidently. I like this take JohnnyU, even though I am all over the Russell bandwagon. It's going to come down to what's between Jamarcus' ears because the talent is spectacular. Btw, he has had many many great performances-- not just the last one. The opener against AZ as a sophomore almost two years ago is the one that got me onboard. The game winning throws could probably be made by less than a dozen QBs... ever. But yeah, it seems clear a better head and leader than Troy Smith is hard to find. He reminds me of Drew Brees in many ways but superior physically. Who'd a thunk Brees would be so far ahead of CPep at this point, but he is and I expect it to continue throughout both careers. Smith vs. Russell could end up the same way. Chris, I like this QB class a lot. I have little doubt that Brady Quinn is every bit the QB Matt Leinart is and possibly a little better. I clearly remember seeing them on the same field together, and you won't find many pundits who watched them that day who thought Leinart was better. It goes far beyond that game though, and like I thought Leinart was 3rd best in his class, I feel the same about Quinn this year. Quinn is a franchise grade QB (who struggled understandably at times). He'll be okay. It's the other guys your discounting who I think make this a special crop. If Brohm comes out (and I think it will be close) then we have 4 franchise grade QBs. Stanton is going to be a starter sooner than most expect, and stretching a little I think Kolb and Edwards will also start in the NFL. Edwards took a beating this year, but he's a very talented, very smart, very game football player.

 

[Chris Smith]

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

I moved Smith above Quinn, and I did it confidently. I like this take JohnnyU, even though I am all over the Russell bandwagon. It's going to come down to what's between Jamarcus' ears because the talent is spectacular. Btw, he has had many many great performances-- not just the last one. The opener against AZ as a sophomore almost two years ago is the one that got me onboard. The game winning throws could probably be made by less than a dozen QBs... ever. But yeah, it seems clear a better head and leader than Troy Smith is hard to find. He reminds me of Drew Brees in many ways but superior physically. Who'd a thunk Brees would be so far ahead of CPep at this point, but he is and I expect it to continue throughout both careers. Smith vs. Russell could end up the same way. Chris, I like this QB class a lot. I have little doubt that Brady Quinn is every bit the QB Matt Leinart is and possibly a little better. I clearly remember seeing them on the same field together, and you won't find many pundits who watched them that day who thought Leinart was better. It goes far beyond that game though, and like I thought Leinart was 3rd best in his class, I feel the same about Quinn this year. Quinn is a franchise grade QB (who struggled understandably at times). He'll be okay. It's the other guys your discounting who I think make this a special crop. If Brohm comes out (and I think it will be close) then we have 4 franchise grade QBs. Stanton is going to be a starter sooner than most expect, and stretching a little I think Kolb and Edwards will also start in the NFL. Edwards took a beating this year, but he's a very talented, very smart, very game football player.

Good comments. To me, Quinn reminds me alot of what has come out of the CAL program over the past several years. A great system in college can make a good player into a great one and for some reason I watch Quinn and think Kyle Boller. I just don't see a franchise quarterback when I watch Quinn play and when he gets to the NFL and out of the ND system, against faster and better defensive players, I believe he may be closer to Mirer than Montana...I do like Brohm. In fact if he comes out I think I like both him and Stanton over Quinn. Troy Smith is also very close to this tier. I think Brohm is going to stay in school however after his disappointing 2006 season.Stanton is a player I like. The team around him was terrible this season and he was inconsistent but I like this kid's moxie.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Troy Smith may just end up better than all of them. Tier Three? Sorry, I'm not buying that. He has a great arm, is very accurate (67% comp), 30 tds / 5 ints, and seems to be a very good leader. I'll take that over fatty (who had a great year 67.8 % comp, 28 tds, 8 ints). I believe Smith has more upside long term. I can see Russell as the next Leftwich or Culpepper.

I moved Smith above Quinn, and I did it confidently. I like this take JohnnyU, even though I am all over the Russell bandwagon. It's going to come down to what's between Jamarcus' ears because the talent is spectacular. Btw, he has had many many great performances-- not just the last one. The opener against AZ as a sophomore almost two years ago is the one that got me onboard. The game winning throws could probably be made by less than a dozen QBs... ever. But yeah, it seems clear a better head and leader than Troy Smith is hard to find. He reminds me of Drew Brees in many ways but superior physically. Who'd a thunk Brees would be so far ahead of CPep at this point, but he is and I expect it to continue throughout both careers. Smith vs. Russell could end up the same way. Chris, I like this QB class a lot. I have little doubt that Brady Quinn is every bit the QB Matt Leinart is and possibly a little better. I clearly remember seeing them on the same field together, and you won't find many pundits who watched them that day who thought Leinart was better. It goes far beyond that game though, and like I thought Leinart was 3rd best in his class, I feel the same about Quinn this year. Quinn is a franchise grade QB (who struggled understandably at times). He'll be okay. It's the other guys your discounting who I think make this a special crop. If Brohm comes out (and I think it will be close) then we have 4 franchise grade QBs. Stanton is going to be a starter sooner than most expect, and stretching a little I think Kolb and Edwards will also start in the NFL. Edwards took a beating this year, but he's a very talented, very smart, very game football player.

Good comments. To me, Quinn reminds me alot of what has come out of the CAL program over the past several years. A great system in college can make a good player into a great one and for some reason I watch Quinn and think Kyle Boller. I just don't see a franchise quarterback when I watch Quinn play and when he gets to the NFL and out of the ND system, against faster and better defensive players, I believe he may be closer to Mirer than Montana...I do like Brohm. In fact if he comes out I think I like both him and Stanton over Quinn. Troy Smith is also very close to this tier. I think Brohm is going to stay in school however after his disappointing 2006 season.Stanton is a player I like. The team around him was terrible this season and he was inconsistent but I like this kid's moxie.

I like this take too. If I agree with everybody, I'm bound to get this right!

 

[Chaos Commish]

Brandt and Kiper weigh in on Troy Smith

New Orleans' Drew Brees, who earned MVP consideration, measured 6-0? at the scouting combine.

"Troy Smith, to me, is Drew Brees," NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt said.

As vice president of player personnel for the Cowboys from 1960-89, Brandt said the team passed on Mike Singletary because he fell a half-inch below their mandatory measurement of 6-2 for a linebacker.

"You have to bottom-line it this way," Brandt said. "Troy Smith will win you football games." ...

"I'm probably more bullish on Troy than other people are because my impression of him was so good," said Brandt, who thinks Smith has a "very good chance" to be a first-round pick in this spring's NFL draft.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. projects Smith as a second-rounder, depending on which players forgo their senior seasons. Kiper ranks Smith behind Notre Dame's Brady Quinn and juniors JaMarcus Russell of LSU and Brian Brohm of Louisville, and even with Michigan State's Drew Stanton.

"Troy has a strong, powerful arm," Kiper said. "He sees the passing lanes well, he has real good instincts and he buys time effectively. The only negatives with him are his height and his long throwing motion, which will allow some NFL cornerbacks to jump some routes."

And whereas Vince Young took a major leap after Texas beat USC in last year's BCS title game, Kiper doesn't think Smith can surge into the first round with a great performance Monday night against Florida.

"This kid has already had statement games—Texas and Michigan and Notre Dame last season," he said.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Colt Brennan, 50-50 undecided

Why Brennan should apply for the NFL draft:

• Scouts have told him he is in the top tier of quarterbacks, behind Louisiana State's JaMarcus Russell, Louisville's Brian Brohm and Notre Dame's Brady Quinn. "Right now, I've heard enough to know I have a good feel for where everyone has me on their radar," Brennan said. "It's up there. It's really high up there."

• After leading the nation in passing the past two seasons, he has little left to prove.

"Because the bowl game was such a great way to end it, and just how things are going, there's so much positive momentum right now that all you can really do is raise your (stock)," Brennan said. "One more year gets them one more year to criticize. ... Everyone is going to expect you to throw for 58 touchdowns. Everyone is going to expect you to do better than you did this year. I guess that's the argument to leave. That's what I have to take into account."

Why he should stay for his senior year:

• There's room for improvement.

"The positives are more experience," Brennan said. "You can get bigger and stronger."

• You're only young once.

 

[aposulli]

Brohm has decided to return after all

and Colt Brennan will officially announce his plans tommorow

 

[aposulli]

Sorry, not really into writing paragraphs upon paragraphs in my posts, just not my style... But I can assure you I put alot of thought into this list.

Disclosure: These rankings are based on NFL fantasy potential, not necessarily predicted NFL Draft order

1. JaMarcus Russell, LSU*

2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame

3. Drew Stanton, Michigan State

4. Kevin Kolb, Houston

5. Troy Smith, Ohio State

6. Jordan Palmer, UTEP

7. Trent Edwards, Stanford

8. Tyler Palko, Pittsburgh

9. Zac Taylor, Nebraska

10. Jeff Rowe, Nevada

11. John Beck, BYU

12. Chris Leak, Florida

13. Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State

14. Justin Rascati, James Madison

15. Matt Moore, Oregon State

16. Jared Zabransky, Boise State

17. Luke Getsy, Akron

18. Brett Ratliff, Utah

19. Sam Hollenbach, Maryland

20. Toby Korrodi, Central Missouri

*Underclassmen

my RB list

my WR list

Rankings updated

 

[wannabee]

The only caveat for Colt is that he has said he might use the 72 hour time period to further evaluate his draft ranking and maybe go back to Hawaii

 

[coolnerd]

Way deep sleeper from the Inta Juice bowl

Jeff Smith QB Georgetown College 6'6 230 ish

Really big guy who looked the part and did not seem overwhelmed with a step up in competition, but at the moment is no more than really late/ UDFA and hope you get lucky type.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

FYI - Gutierrez was added to the Shrine Game rosters... Stay tuned to the audible for our scouting report on the USC transfer.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

FYI - Gutierrez was added to the Shrine Game rosters... Stay tuned to the audible for our scouting report on the USC Michigan transfer.

Matt got hurt just before the 2004 season started or else he'd have been starting. Henne got the start instead and Gutierrez ever got the opportunity back.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

FYI - Gutierrez was added to the Shrine Game rosters... Stay tuned to the audible for our scouting report on the USC Michigan transfer.

Matt got hurt just before the 2004 season started or else he'd have been starting. Henne got the start instead and Gutierrez ever got the opportunity back.

Ack, thanks for the correction, got my wires crossed there, that mistake will show up in the audible too.

 

[aposulli]

Taking an alternate look at the QB pool...



First-class

Top 10 picks should be given every opportunity to start right away

-JaMarcus Russell, LSU*

-Brady Quinn, Notre Dame



Second-class

These guys have all the tools... well, almost... each has his own demon

-Drew Stanton, Michigan State

-Kevin Kolb, Houston

-Troy Smith, Ohio State



Second-day

These guys are poised to be drafted, but not in the first 3 Rounds without an eye-popping combine

-Jordan Palmer, UTEP

-Trent Edwards, Stanford

-Tyler Palko, Pittsburgh



Borderline draftees

With a an impressive all-star/combine showing, these guys should be drafted

-Jeff Rowe, Nevada

-Zac Taylor, Nebraska

-John Beck, BYU

-Chris Leak, Florida



Could be drafted as a "slash" player or DB

These guys do not have great NFL QB tools, but may be drafted anyway

-Jared Zabransky, Boise State

-John Stocco, Wisconsin

-Isiah Stanback, Washington



Small school gems

Only one may be drafted, but all have the same questions.

-Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State

-Justin Rascati, James Madison

-Toby Korrodi, Central Missouri



Practice Squad/NFL Europe-bound

Needs an outstanding Winter/Spring to get a look

-Matt Moore, Oregon State

-Luke Getsy, Akron

-Lester Ricard, Tulane

-Brett Ratliff, Utah

-Sam Holenbach, Maryland

-Will Procter, Clemson

-Justin Zwick, Ohio State

-James Pinkney, East Carolina

-Drew Tate, Iowa

*Underclassman (turns out there is only one)

 

[Tenderknee]

COLT BRENNAN JUST ANNOUNCED THAT HE WILL RETURN TO THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII FOR HIS SENIOR SEASON!

Too bad for you guys with a late rookie draft pick.