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Would you say that the trade value of Steven Jackson and Frank Gore has fallen off a cliff this year, as compared to what it was at this point last year?
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2010 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)
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r0llin_game
Footballguy
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, K, RB/WR Flex. PPR
Team A gets:
1.02 (Dez Bryant)
Chad Henne
Team B gets:
Jamaal Charles
2.02 (TBD)
Team A gets:
1.02 (Dez Bryant)
Chad Henne
Team B gets:
Jamaal Charles
2.02 (TBD)
No Way Jose
Footballguy
Would you guys help me out on this one? In the middle of a start up ppr and we had a trade that 1 owner was upset about. Let me know what you guys think. Tia.
2rb
2wr
2flex
Ppr
ADP and 4.8 pick for B. Marshall and 8.11 pick
I am involved with this trade is why I am asking.
2rb
2wr
2flex
Ppr
ADP and 4.8 pick for B. Marshall and 8.11 pick
I am involved with this trade is why I am asking.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
It's not good but it's not vetoable (sp?).
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Gave: 2010 4.01
Got: 2011 3rd Round Pick
2010 4.11
Got: 2011 3rd Round Pick
2010 4.11
Uber
Footballguy
this trade makes zero sense. ADP, even in PPR, i'm assuming went ahead of Marshall, probably in the top 5. Even if they went at the exact same pick hypothetically, why the hell would like 1.05 + 4.8 get traded for 1.05 + 8.11?i'd have a huge problem with this.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
So you think the Marshall side got the better end of the trade?
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
One of the worst of the many atrocious trades mentioned in this thread.
Uber
Footballguy
Just ask your uncle to reverse the deal.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
Sorry, I seemed to have put this trade on here wrong......its supposed to be AP and 8.11 for BM and 4.8.....that makes a difference. This is what happens when you use your phone.
Uber
Footballguy
Huge difference.I still think the side getting AP is giving up too much, but this is not a legit trade to be complaining about.
Uber
Footballguy
start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex - no PPRgave: James StarksMike Sims-Walkergoterek AndersonMarshawn Lynch2011 2nd Round Pick
Stunt Rock
Footballguy
No PPR, standard starting lineups, no flex, IDP.
Team A gives:
Chris Johnson
James Jones
Jason Hill
Team B gives:
Kyle Orton
Steven Jackson
Chad Ochocinco
Team A gives:
Chris Johnson
James Jones
Jason Hill
Team B gives:
Kyle Orton
Steven Jackson
Chad Ochocinco
GSWarriors
Footballguy
PPR dynasty
Team 1 gets Steve Smith CAR, Reggie Bush, 2011 1st and Jimmy Clausen
Team 2 gets Miles Austin, Arian Foster
Team 1 gets Steve Smith CAR, Reggie Bush, 2011 1st and Jimmy Clausen
Team 2 gets Miles Austin, Arian Foster
Great deal for team B.
Robbery for Team 1.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'd take what Team 2 got any day of the week.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
care to elaborate? 2 responses so far, 2 different takes. Nice.
I have Steve Smith ranked 2 spots behind Miles Austin. In other words, they're close IMO. Adding an '11 first is more than enough to make up the difference from my point of view. I'm not a big Reggie Bush fan but he could be a movable piece. I'd much rather have Smith/Bush/11 1st than Austin/Foster...Just my .02.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I don't have Smith anywhere close to Austin in rankings. Beyond the big guys at the top (Fitz, AJ, Calvin), there's no one else I'd put ahead of Austin other than Marshall. He may be less proven than guys like Jennings, Colston, Roddy, etc., but the guy is the perfect combination of great situation, young age, top notch production and top notch talent. I simply see no holes in his game. So, while I suppose there's the potential to bust, I see that as a minimal risk and his upside far outweighs that. Steve Smith, OTOH, has yet another QB throwing to him and always seems to fail to produce those top #'s consistently for whatever reason. Factor in that he's now 31 and his trade value is vanishing quickly. Next year, you'll be lucky to land a 1st round pick for him no matter what he does this coming year.Reggie Bush -- fillerClausen -- fillerThe 2011 1st depends completely where it is, but I'd pretty easily give up a top 2011 1st and those other parts for Austin even though it'd be somewhat even. Make that a mid or late 1st and I don't think it's remotely close.As for Smith and his ranking, he's in a completely separate tier and is barely in my top 20 at WR.I have Steve Smith ranked 2 spots behind Miles Austin. In other words, they're close IMO. Adding an '11 first is more than enough to make up the difference from my point of view. I'm not a big Reggie Bush fan but he could be a movable piece. I'd much rather have Smith/Bush/11 1st than Austin/Foster...Just my .02.
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Each to his own. I have Smith at 12 and Austin at 10. But I also think Dez is going to be the #1 WR for Dallas in a couple of years.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
Gian did say that Miles Austin will be the WR1 in dynasty by 2011, so i guess that should explain on why he thinks Team 2 got the better end.
If that's the case then absolutely I see why he thinks that. I think Steve Smith is very underrated now that Delhomme is gone, and I'm not as worried about age as some other people (at least for WRs). When Smith has a decent QB (or even adequate) he is great.
JPeso
Footballguy
Austin's a late 1st in my book, I wouldn't touch Smith until the 6th even if he's good for 1300 next year.
gianmarco
Footballguy
While that is indeed the case, I could substitute quite a few other WRs in that same 2nd tier that I would also prefer over Smith & co. MarshallJenningsRoddyS. RiceDezCrabtreeV. JacksonDeSeanColstonI have all of those guys easily over Smith. In the next tier, I'd also prefer SS2 and Nicks. After that comes the older guys who all have decreased value. Wayne is clearly at the head of this list. After that comes Boldin, Chad, and Randy. I'd put S. Smith at the end of that tier, tied with Chad. These guys, while productive, all have depressed value that has 0 chance of going up from this point forward. They are depreciating assets. When you factor in that Smith's production isn't likely to greatly outproduce those above him, if at all, then it's simply not close. Bush and Clausen are nothing but filler as I stated above. Bench material. The 2011 1st definitely has value and it depends on where it is. That said, I'd still pay Smith/1st for those guys. Keep in mind that in the last 4 years, Smith has done the following:TDs -- 8, 7, 7, 6. Nothing special whatsoever and unlikely to changeYards -- 1166, 1002, 982 in 3 of the last 4 years. Pretty poor. He did have 1421 in 2008 which is really the only thing substantial he's done in the last 4 years and inflates his average below (probably falsely).Rec -- 87, 83, 78, 65. Again, nothing special here.Factor in that he hasn't played 16 games in the last 4 years but has put up those numbers in either 14 or 15 games in each of those years then you're dealing with guy who consistently misses a small amount of time but it's not as if the time missed inflates his ppg. You average his last 4 years and you get: 78/1142/7 or 230 pts. Nice but not spectacular. Solid WR2 numbers. And if those take a dip, which is very possible, then you're looking at giving up a likely bona fide WR1 for a depreciating WR2/3 type guy. No thanks.
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GSWarriors
Footballguy
if Smith is good for 1300 in 2010, odds are he has 2 really good years after that - and that's what i'm bankin on as the team getting Steve Smith in this deal
Forget trade value at that point (2011 and beyond), it's all about production. Not to mention I think that 2011 first i got may be a 1.05 to 1.08 at worst.I would give SS, Bush and #1 for AustinNice deal for Team 2, I wonder if Team 2 has Slaton and/or Tate as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bad deal for Team 2 in the long run if the 2011 1st is an early one, because 2011 will be a banner year for WRs, many of which will be better than Austin.
pyite76
Footballguy
This is a 2 QB league and I am invested in the ARI passing game with Leinart and Skelton so acquiring Anderson was key to keep my QB3 position on lockdown. I could afford to give up Sims-Walker since he was my WR5 (behind Marshall/Jennings/Smith(Car)/Harvin). I like acquiring Lynch here for a pretty cheap price IMO, and the 2nd round pick sealed the deal for me. Sometimes it pays to gamble, and I put a few pennies on Lynch.Uber said:pyite76 said:start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex - no PPRgave: James StarksMike Sims-Walkergot
I more or less agree. Smith is being left for dead and a lot of people are going to reap the rewards for the next few seasons IMO.GSWarriors said:if Smith is good for 1300 in 2010, odds are he has 2 really good years after that - and that's what i'm bankin on as the team getting Steve Smith in this dealJPeso said:Forget trade value at that point (2011 and beyond), it's all about production. Not to mention I think that 2011 first i got may be a 1.05 to 1.08 at worst.
People tend to forget that Austin has only produced for one season, let's not assume that he will keep doing that based on one season. He will see more double teams, and looking forward 2011-12, I think Dez Bryant will pass him on the depth chart. Smith is very underrated at the moment, and I like team 1 in this deal. 2011 draft will be stacked with WRs, and team 1 could very well get future superstar.I more or less agree. Smith is being left for dead and a lot of people are going to reap the rewards for the next few seasons IMO.GSWarriors said:if Smith is good for 1300 in 2010, odds are he has 2 really good years after that - and that's what i'm bankin on as the team getting Steve Smith in this dealJPeso said:Forget trade value at that point (2011 and beyond), it's all about production. Not to mention I think that 2011 first i got may be a 1.05 to 1.08 at worst.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Wait a second. If Dez Bryant is good enough to surpass Austin on the depth chart by next year, then how is Austin going to see more double teams this year? You're suggesting he'll be that good but yet defenses will ignore him to cover Austin instead? Not even mentioning the presence of Witten. Unless opposing teams will be allowed more than 11 defensive players, I just don't think that's going to be possible. Even if that's the case, then I guess by 2011, when Bryant benefited from Austin's double coverage and absolutely thrived and did so well to surpass Austin, then Bryant will be commanding the double teams and Austin should once again thrive from the single coverage.People tend to forget that Austin has only produced for one season, let's not assume that he will keep doing that based on one season. He will see more double teams, and looking forward 2011-12, I think Dez Bryant will pass him on the depth chart. Smith is very underrated at the moment, and I like team 1 in this deal. 2011 draft will be stacked with WRs, and team 1 could very well get future superstar.I more or less agree. Smith is being left for dead and a lot of people are going to reap the rewards for the next few seasons IMO.GSWarriors said:if Smith is good for 1300 in 2010, odds are he has 2 really good years after that - and that's what i'm bankin on as the team getting Steve Smith in this dealJPeso said:
Uber
Footballguy
I like it even less now - going after 3 QB's to lockdown your QB3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you can "afford" to trade MSW - that's a reason to shop him, not give him away for pennies.This is a 2 QB league and I am invested in the ARI passing game with Leinart and Skelton so acquiring Anderson was key to keep my QB3 position on lockdown. I could afford to give up Sims-Walker since he was my WR5 (behind Marshall/Jennings/Smith(Car)/Harvin). I like acquiring Lynch here for a pretty cheap price IMO, and the 2nd round pick sealed the deal for me. Sometimes it pays to gamble, and I put a few pennies on Lynch.Uber said:pyite76 said:start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex - no PPRgave: James StarksMike Sims-Walkergot
pyite76
Footballguy
Anderson was a toss in, I was just explaining why I had him in there. Its obvious you don't play in a 2 QB league, because starting 2 each week is key to being competitive w/ 6pt passing TDs. QBs are far and away the highest scorers. I look at this deal like two smaller ones:Getting a 2nd for MSW isn't bad value (considering I drafted him in the 8th round - and he has a ton of questions) as no one would even talk to me straight-faced about a first rounder for him. and Anderson and Lynch for Starks is a slam dunk. If Lynch comes back with any semblance of his Beast Mode self, I just hit a home run.I like it even less now - going after 3 QB's to lockdown your QB3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you can "afford" to trade MSW - that's a reason to shop him, not give him away for pennies.This is a 2 QB league and I am invested in the ARI passing game with Leinart and Skelton so acquiring Anderson was key to keep my QB3 position on lockdown. I could afford to give up Sims-Walker since he was my WR5 (behind Marshall/Jennings/Smith(Car)/Harvin). I like acquiring Lynch here for a pretty cheap price IMO, and the 2nd round pick sealed the deal for me. Sometimes it pays to gamble, and I put a few pennies on Lynch.Uber said:pyite76 said:start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex - no PPRgave: James StarksMike Sims-Walkergot
Uber
Footballguy
Actually it's terrible value.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 team PPR (start 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 flex, qb, te, dst, k)
1.4 (Spiller)
for
Ryan Grant
1.4 (Spiller)
for
Ryan Grant
I agree, but he also got Lynch, who could be reborn in the right situation. Time will tell on this trade.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Do you mean 8th round of a rookie draft? Is this not a true dynasty, e.g., you keep 10 players not your whole roster? It might make a lot more sense if a 2nd has more value than a 2nd in a rookie-only or mostly-rookie draft.
pyite76
Footballguy
LOL. That's your perception. He's not worth a rookie 1st, at least in the majority of dynasty owners I know. They won't pony up that price, and I know because I tried. MSW absolutely SUCKED on the road last year, and has a history of being dinged up. Plus this team I got the 2nd rounder from has never finished higher than 8th of 10 teams.
Yes the 8th round of our 1st rookie draft, or during year 2 of this current dynasty league (we are entering year 5 now). We have 47 man rosters with 10 man taxi squads (rookies and 2nd year players only). Our rookie draft is 10 rounds long, at which time we expand the taxi squad to 20 until training camp winds down when we have roster cuts back down to 10 on the taxi squad. Our rookie drafts are rookies only, so I am assuming this pick will be between the 11th and the 14th overall in 2011.
pyite76
Footballguy
I only broke the deal down into two separate parts to explain my reasoning. The deal includes Lynch as well, who could be headed to a new locale. If this is the case I just bought a 24 year old workhorse for pretty cheap. In the dynasty leagues I know, you just can't *find* RBs on the waiver wire. Lynch has a ton left in the tank and if he goes to a new team he will be waiting to show what he can do. This all boiled down to me deciding between dealing MSW and Steve Smith (Car). I elected to keep Smith as I feel he is a more safe option for the next three years. If I told you Smith was going to go for 1300/7 the next three years, I probably wouldn't have many arguing against that. As for MSW, he's more of an unknown. While I like him, he just can't stay healthy and is not in the best offense for accruing passing stats. Time will most definitely tell.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I couldn't even get a late 1st for Mike Sims-Walker. He's a hold right now, but if you're dead set on moving him, then a 2nd round pick is probably an accurate reflection of his value.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
speaking of MSW, this trade just happened in one league i'm inMSW and 2012 2nd for 1.11 and 2011 1st
I actually like this trade for both teams depending on their needs.
That's a heck of a lot better than a 2nd round pick.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Henry, I think you may have this thread confused with the Assistant Coach forum. This thread is for trades that actually did happen, not offers. I'd hate to see everyone post the crap offers they've gotten. It doesn't show the trade value if it's only an offer.Trade offers and how to run someone's team belong in the Assistant Coach forum. Singled you out since you asked about offers more than once in this thread.HenryMuto said:
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