2010 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

Team A givesevin ThomasEarly DoucetBrandon TateChaz SchilensTeam B gives:Steve Smith- NYG

Could definitely backfire. Nicks coming up in NY, while Thomas, Tate, and Schilens all look to see some opportunity to be their team's #1 in the very near future. Tate after Moss, Thomas maybe this season, and Schilens the same.Steve Smith isn't what I would call a "top 15" receiver, and I think Tate at least could be as soon as the 2011 season.

I agree I gave up some nice potential pieces, but I was not going to be able to keep them all. I have to cut a total of 10 guys between now and Week 1...1. make room for draft picks2. roster cut down3. add a D/K before Week 1I would have cut Tate and Doucet at least. Not to mention that I added Tate, Doucet and Thomas on waivers at the beginning of the offseason. My WRs are now: (10 teamer, start 4 WR)AJCalvinJenningsDJaxWelkerSteve SmithSteve SmithNicksHarvinRobiskieCaldwellNaanee

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

Today is draft day on my dynasty league and last night I pulled off a big one.

I got Adrian Peterson for Roddy White, Steven Jackson and the #9 overall in today's draft.

I gave up a lot, but to have ADP locked down for the forseeable future is worth it.

 

[Kree]

PPR, return league, 6 points all TDs

Team A gave Cooley and Harrison

Team B gave Witten

Tean B also had Dallas Clark, and his starting RBs were Marshawn Lynch and Fred Taylor, with LDT, Faulk and Coffee as backups.

 

[BrainDeadGenius]

PPR, return league, 6 points all TDsTeam A gave Cooley and HarrisonTeam B gave WittenTean B also had Dallas Clark, and his starting RBs were Marshawn Lynch and Fred Taylor, with LDT, Faulk and Coffee as backups.

I don't understand Team B's logic at all. My RBs suck so let me trade a good trade chip for Jerome Harrison? He would have been much better off trading Clark for Jahvid Best/Felix Jones/LeSean McCoy-type.

 

[BrainDeadGenius]

Team A givesevin ThomasEarly DoucetBrandon TateChaz SchilensTeam B gives:Steve Smith- NYG

Could definitely backfire. Nicks coming up in NY, while Thomas, Tate, and Schilens all look to see some opportunity to be their team's #1 in the very near future. Tate after Moss, Thomas maybe this season, and Schilens the same.Steve Smith isn't what I would call a "top 15" receiver, and I think Tate at least could be as soon as the 2011 season.

I agree I gave up some nice potential pieces, but I was not going to be able to keep them all. I have to cut a total of 10 guys between now and Week 1...1. make room for draft picks2. roster cut down3. add a D/K before Week 1I would have cut Tate and Doucet at least. Not to mention that I added Tate, Doucet and Thomas on waivers at the beginning of the offseason. My WRs are now: (10 teamer, start 4 WR)AJCalvinJenningsDJaxWelkerSteve SmithSteve SmithNicksHarvinRobiskieCaldwellNaanee

To each his own. I think this was a horrible trade.

 

[Kree]

PPR, return league, 6 points all TDsTeam A gave Cooley and HarrisonTeam B gave WittenTean B also had Dallas Clark, and his starting RBs were Marshawn Lynch and Fred Taylor, with LDT, Faulk and Coffee as backups.

I don't understand Team B's logic at all. My RBs suck so let me trade a good trade chip for Jerome Harrison? He would have been much better off trading Clark for Jahvid Best/Felix Jones/LeSean McCoy-type.

He shopped the pair around and there was little interest in either - TEs for the most part are well spread across the league, and those that didn't have adequate TEs didn't have much to offer (A few desperate teams RB wise).Team B won the league last year also, so was willing to gamble a bit more.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team Y

All teams will be cutting down to 22 players before the season starts.

Typical PPR scoring

Total Starters: 10

Number of Starting QBs: 1

Number of Starting RBs: 2-3

Number of Starting WRs: 3-4

Number of Starting TEs: 1-2

Number of Starting PKs: 1

Number of Starting Defs: 1

Team A after trade:

Brady, Tom

Campbell, Jason

Clausen, Jimmy

Delhomme, Jake

Smith, Alex

Addai, Joseph

Bell, Mike

Brown, Andre

Hamilton, Lynell

Lynch, Marshawn

Mathews, Ryan

McGahee, Willis

White, LenDale

Williams, DeAngelo

Breaston, Steve

Burleson, Nate

Evans, Lee

Fitzgerald, Larry

Jackson, Vincent

Meachem, Robert

Smith, Steve NY

Ward, Hines

Heap, Todd

Shockey, Jeremy

Watson, Ben

Gould, Robbie

Steelers, Pittsburgh

Team B after Trade:

Flacco, Joe

LeFevour, Dan

Spiller, C.J.

Sproles, Darren

Taylor, Fred

Avant, Jason

Caldwell, Andre

Cooper, Riley

Gilyard, Mardy

Ginn Jr., Ted

Gonzalez, Anthony

Hester, Devin

Higgins, Johnnie Lee

Jones, Matt

Moore, Kenneth

Muhammad, Muhsin

Naanee, Legedu

Price, Taylor

Roberts, Andre

Tate, Golden

Williams, Damian

Gresham, Jermaine

Hernandez, Aaron

Pitta, Dennis

Crosby, Mason

Patriots, New England

Ravens, Baltimore

 

[JPeso]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team Y

Can't evaluate the 2nd rounder coming from Team A, but it appears Team A's picks will be late. I like the deal acquiring Mathews.

 

[JPeso]

Today is draft day on my dynasty league and last night I pulled off a big one.I got Adrian Peterson for Roddy White, Steven Jackson and the #9 overall in today's draft.I gave up a lot, but to have ADP locked down for the forseeable future is worth it.

Ouch, I think you got absolutely hosed, and I don't care how "stacked" you are either. I wouldn't have paid more than Roddy/#9.

 

[squistion]

Today is draft day on my dynasty league and last night I pulled off a big one.I got Adrian Peterson for Roddy White, Steven Jackson and the #9 overall in today's draft.I gave up a lot, but to have ADP locked down for the forseeable future is worth it.

Ouch, I think you got absolutely hosed, and I don't care how "stacked" you are either. I wouldn't have paid more than Roddy/#9.

I disagree, I like the deal. I own ADP in one league and would never part with him for just White and the 1.09. I am not that enthused over Jackson either, coming off of back surgery and being the only offensive weapon on an otherwise horrible Rams teams. He may have overpaid a little bit, but I have done that myself for what I consider a foundation RB (like ADP) that I can count on for my Dynasty team for the next 2-3 years.

 

[Kree]

White and 1.09 would be way too cheap, especially given what is at 1.09 this year. I would probably do the trade, especially since I don't like any rookies this year beyond the main 4. Sjax the only impact factor, but if you can cover White's loss its an easy upgrade win.

 

[Go deep]

White and 1.09 would be way too cheap, especially given what is at 1.09 this year. I would probably do the trade, especially since I don't like any rookies this year beyond the main 4. Sjax the only impact factor, but if you can cover White's loss its an easy upgrade win.

Unless you have Calvin Johnson, Andfe Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Desean Jackson and Miles Austin, you can not cover the loss of White.I give the team getting White a slight edge, but the trade is pretty even either way. I dont like putting all my eggs in one basket, especially in the basket of a RB that is as physical as Peterson.

 

[Kree]

JPeso suggested no matter what he got hosed...

Either way, if the upgrade at RB is as great as it is (IMO dynasty wise between SJax to ADP, then I would be comfortable downgrading White to a slightly lesser talent, given it is generally harder in my experience to get a good long term stud RB than WR.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team Y

Can't evaluate the 2nd rounder coming from Team A, but it appears Team A's picks will be late. I like the deal acquiring Mathews.

Team A starters:

QB - Brady, Tom

RB - Addai, Joseph, Mathews, Ryan, Williams, DeAngelo

WR - Fitzgerald, Larry, Jackson, Vincent, Smith, Steve NY, Ward, Hines

TE - Shockey, Jeremy, Watson, Ben

K - Gould, Robbie

D - Steelers, Pittsburgh

I expect Team A's picks to be late. Definitely a contender team with 22 multi year players on the roster. I don't think Team A could have used half of the picks traded away. More likely that any pick after the 2nd round would have been wasted. Behind the starters, WR 5 and 6 are Meachem and Burleson so I expect Team A could afford to lose Golden Tate. But before the trade Team A's best 3 RB's were Deanglo, Addai, Lynch.. Lynch moving to the RB4 and Matthews into RB2-3 is a strong upgrade to both the starters and the backups.

Team A upgrades the starting RB2-3 and keeps a pick in 2010 second round. Keeping himself in playoff contention. Nice trade.

Team B after Trade:

I expect Team B's picks to be early. It's a complete rebuild. Very few start-able players on the roster. Probably a 2-3 year rebuild. Matthews will have an opportunity to start and produce right away. It would have been wasted production on Team B's roster. It made sense for him to move Matthews who will most likely have a shorter shelf life than Spiller and hold Spiller as he will likely not see a lot of early mileage. In my opinion, a team that is that destitute needs to start his rebuild with WR's and QB's because they take the longest to mature, then follow with RB's and try to get all the players to peak at the same time. So getting Golden Tate in the deal makes sense from that perspective. Also loading up on picks for the rebuild helps his team more than Matthews would have. Matthews was going to put up points in '2010', Team B didn't need '2010' points, he needs early picks in '2011'...

IMO, strong trade for both teams... Matthews getting better 'stud' odds then any player Team A likely gave up gives a slight edge in this trade to team A

Team Y's picks should be somewhere between 6-9 in the order. So the second rounder received by Team A may take a second best TE in the '11' draft, or a 3rd-4th best QB, or a flyer at WR-RB... Seems TE would be the smart move by Team A although TE's take a while to develop and I think he'd be smarter to package WR depth with that second round pick to grab a better TE1 now...

 

[FUBAR]

Another Vincent Jackson deal:

I traded Bess, two 2011 1sts (probably each mid-late) for VJax.

As long as he comes back for the FF playoffs, I think this will work well for me. Upgrades my WR3/4 from Boldin/Bryant/Maclin/Welker to VJax and one of those.

 

[Buckna]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

 

[HenryMuto]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

 

[Instinctive]

I would have done the above. 2011 draft class looks to be rich with talent, so the 2 firsts are very helpful. Unless you love Dez, in which case I'd have turned it down too.

5 3rds and 4ths can be turned around by you in the same type of deal for some kind of RB2/3 or WR3/4 role player. Just because you trade for something doesn't mean you have to keep it.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Another VJax trade. 10 team no PPR. Start 2rb 3wr 1flex

Fred Jackson

Darren Sproles

David Garrard

pick 15 (contraction draft, so about 6 top flight FA added to normal rookies)

for

VJax

Floyd

Tony Scheffler

 

[Avery]

Another VJax trade. 10 team no PPR. Start 2rb 3wr 1flexFred JacksonDarren SprolesDavid Garrardpick 15 (contraction draft, so about 6 top flight FA added to normal rookies)forVJaxFloydTony Scheffler

That's terrible and it doesn't matter what his team needs are.He didn't only sell low on Vincent Jackson but gave away the best three players in the trade.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Another VJax trade. 10 team no PPR. Start 2rb 3wr 1flexFred JacksonDarren SprolesDavid Garrardpick 15 (contraction draft, so about 6 top flight FA added to normal rookies)forVJaxFloydTony Scheffler

That's terrible and it doesn't matter what his team needs are.He didn't only sell low on Vincent Jackson but gave away the best three players in the trade.

Update: He landed Hardesty with pick 15

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.

I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

 

[pidgeonmanza]

PPR Return Yard Points Full IDP 60 Man Rosters 10 team

Start: 1qb, 3rb, 4wr, 1te, 2qb/rb/wr/te, 2dt, 3lb, 2s, 2cb, 2de

2 different trades

1. J Best, 2011 3rd for D Mcfadden, Devin Thomas, Damian Williams, 2011 1st

2. J Stew, Vilma, V Davis for Z Miller(Oak), Foster, Maroney, Levy, 2011 1st, 2011 2nd

 

[FUBAR]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.

I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

That's all good but unless he either believes in Tate or the 1st he gets will yield a player like Mathews, I just can't fathom making this deal.

 

[FUBAR]

A few recent deals in an all-FBG league:

1. Funky feet and the black toenails gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.11

KREMENULL 10-DIN-Cs gave up Hester, Devin CHI WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.04

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of Fools

Gefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

3. FBombs gave up Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from FBombs

Tennessee Jedi gave up Davis, Fred WAS TE

I have funky feet; the deal I made I have some reservations on but hope my target falls to 2.04 that I would have taken at 1.11 anyway, in many drafts he does.

For the others, I think Phish got a good deal but I was also after Maclin. Davis for a 3rd seems good but we had to make cuts while that trade went through.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.

I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

If his team is as bad as you say, Mathews isn't making any impact on his draft position. It is a bad deal and everyone knows it, including you. You may laugh at that comment, but it really is how bad teams stay bad.

 

[Steed]

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of FoolsGefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

That's a nice haul for Maclin.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I just traded: Brandon Marshall (1 year left on contract, will be FA next season) + Mike Wallace (7 years left) + Johnathan Joseph (1 year left)

I recieved: Hakeem Nicks (5 contract years left) + David Harris (2 contract years left).

I also have Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, Sidney Rice, Braylon Edwards, and Jeremy Maclin as my other 5 WR's.

How did I do?? I will likely be able to get Marshall back if needed next season cause I have loads of Cap to spend in free agency. Essentially I traded Wallace for Nicks if you subtract this year. Marshall was likely my #4 WR after Fitz, Moss, and Rice.

 

[Birdie048]

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of FoolsGefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

That's a nice haul for Maclin.

I'd rather have Maclin. Bowe in #3 in KC and the 1.07 could get a QB or Benn type WR. I like Maclin in this situation.

 

[finito]

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of FoolsGefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

That's a nice haul for Maclin.

I'd rather have Maclin. Bowe in #3 in KC and the 1.07 could get a QB or Benn type WR. I like Maclin in this situation.

Bowe is the #3 in KC? I'd be a bit surprised if this season's numbers bore that out.

 

[Instinctive]

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of FoolsGefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

That's a nice haul for Maclin.

I'd rather have Maclin. Bowe in #3 in KC and the 1.07 could get a QB or Benn type WR. I like Maclin in this situation.

I see Bowe and Bradford/M Williams plus a round 2 that should be traded for the same pick next year. I wouldn't trade Bowe for Maclin straight up, so I think they giving Maclin got a GREAT deal.

 

[No Way Jose]

Team A givesevin ThomasEarly DoucetBrandon TateChaz SchilensTeam B gives:Steve Smith- NYG

Could definitely backfire. Nicks coming up in NY, while Thomas, Tate, and Schilens all look to see some opportunity to be their team's #1 in the very near future. Tate after Moss, Thomas maybe this season, and Schilens the same.Steve Smith isn't what I would call a "top 15" receiver, and I think Tate at least could be as soon as the 2011 season.

I agree I gave up some nice potential pieces, but I was not going to be able to keep them all. I have to cut a total of 10 guys between now and Week 1...1. make room for draft picks2. roster cut down3. add a D/K before Week 1I would have cut Tate and Doucet at least. Not to mention that I added Tate, Doucet and Thomas on waivers at the beginning of the offseason. My WRs are now: (10 teamer, start 4 WR)AJCalvinJenningsDJaxWelkerSteve SmithSteve SmithNicksHarvinRobiskieCaldwellNaanee

To each his own. I think this was a horrible trade.

I think it was a great trade. Smith>4 dudes....jmo

 

[TaxMan]

Team A givesevin ThomasEarly DoucetBrandon TateChaz SchilensTeam B gives:Steve Smith- NYG

Could definitely backfire. Nicks coming up in NY, while Thomas, Tate, and Schilens all look to see some opportunity to be their team's #1 in the very near future. Tate after Moss, Thomas maybe this season, and Schilens the same.Steve Smith isn't what I would call a "top 15" receiver, and I think Tate at least could be as soon as the 2011 season.

I agree I gave up some nice potential pieces, but I was not going to be able to keep them all. I have to cut a total of 10 guys between now and Week 1...1. make room for draft picks2. roster cut down3. add a D/K before Week 1I would have cut Tate and Doucet at least. Not to mention that I added Tate, Doucet and Thomas on waivers at the beginning of the offseason. My WRs are now: (10 teamer, start 4 WR)AJCalvinJenningsDJaxWelkerSteve SmithSteve SmithNicksHarvinRobiskieCaldwellNaanee

To each his own. I think this was a horrible trade.

I think it was a great trade. Smith>4 dudes....jmo

it's a great trade RIGHT NOW since he's getting the proven player, but i like Tate and Schilenz to make a leap up in the next 1-2 years. But the way the makeup of his team is, i definitely trade 4 prospects for 1 that i really like. I just dont think SSmith is personally the guy i would target.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Team A gave up:

Tate, Golden SEA WR;

Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team Y

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A

Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B

Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B gave up:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.

I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

If his team is as bad as you say, Mathews isn't making any impact on his draft position. It is a bad deal and everyone knows it, including you. You may laugh at that comment, but it really is how bad teams stay bad.

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered(2) 2011 Round 1 picks(1) 2011 Round 2 pick(3) 2011 Round 3 picks(2) 2011 Round 4 picksand I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

If his team is as bad as you say, Mathews isn't making any impact on his draft position. It is a bad deal and everyone knows it, including you. You may laugh at that comment, but it really is how bad teams stay bad.

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

I don't care what Mathews has proven at the NFL level, his value is already that of a top 8-15 dynasty RB. I have even seen him go in the 1st round of some recent startups. So whether he is a proven commodity or not is irrelevant to his trade value. The 2 3rd's, 2 4th's and a 5th sound nice, but its basically garbage. I would put the odds at about 5% that any of those players becomes fantasy revelant, and thats if the person is a good drafter. The deal is essentially Golden Tate and a 2011 1st for Mathews. Unless that picks turns out to be top 3, he got hosed.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't care what Mathews has proven at the NFL level, his value is already that of a top 8-15 dynasty RB. I have even seen him go in the 1st round of some recent startups. So whether he is a proven commodity or not is irrelevant to his trade value. The 2 3rd's, 2 4th's and a 5th sound nice, but its basically garbage. I would put the odds at about 5% that any of those players becomes fantasy revelant, and thats if the person is a good drafter. The deal is essentially Golden Tate and a 2011 1st for Mathews. Unless that picks turns out to be top 3, he got hosed.

Why would anyone give a top 3 pick along with Tate, for a top 3 pick? That doesn't make much sense.He got a 1.7, most likely a 1.9-12, and a pile of 3's, 4's, and 5.. for a top 3 pickMatthews isn't even the most talented RB in the draft...

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I don't care what Mathews has proven at the NFL level, his value is already that of a top 8-15 dynasty RB. I have even seen him go in the 1st round of some recent startups. So whether he is a proven commodity or not is irrelevant to his trade value. The 2 3rd's, 2 4th's and a 5th sound nice, but its basically garbage. I would put the odds at about 5% that any of those players becomes fantasy revelant, and thats if the person is a good drafter. The deal is essentially Golden Tate and a 2011 1st for Mathews. Unless that picks turns out to be top 3, he got hosed.

Why would anyone give a top 3 pick along with Tate, for a top 3 pick? That doesn't make much sense.He got a 1.7, most likely a 1.9-12, and a pile of 3's, 4's, and 5.. for a top 3 pickMatthews isn't even the most talented RB in the draft...

Have you ever heard of the time value of money? A 2011 top 3 pick is worth less than a 2010 top 3 pick, simply based on the fact that you have to wait another year for the 2011 pick. The non-1st round picks are pretty much garbage. Like I said, it doesn't matter what you or I or any one person thinks about Mathews talent. What matters is that his value is a low 1st to a 3rd round pick in a startup dynasty. That package does not even come close to the value that Mathews can and would bring in.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

It's not a good trade. Late 1st round picks are a crapshoot, and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks rarely ever turn out. He could have moved Matthews for a proven WR, or a package of young talent like Hicks/Maclin + 2011 1st maybe. Who knows? The point is, he didn't receive good value in return. Also, it doesn't always take 2 or 3 years to rebuild. You also don't have to "mature" WR's. The idea of rebuilding is to find core players, no matter the position. 30+ year old WR's are the biggest bargain in fantasy football, so some of us have rebuilt teams acquiring core players, and then trading for the Reggie Wayne's, Steve Smith's, Donald Drivers, etc. for relatively low prices. There are also usually plenty of 2nd and 3rd year WR's on the waiver wire who are just as likely to find success as late 1st round rookie picks like Golden Tate. Sims-Walker, S Rice, and M Austin are 3 WR's who were on the waiver wire in many leagues at the beginning of the 2009 season.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I don't care what Mathews has proven at the NFL level, his value is already that of a top 8-15 dynasty RB. I have even seen him go in the 1st round of some recent startups. So whether he is a proven commodity or not is irrelevant to his trade value.

The 2 3rd's, 2 4th's and a 5th sound nice, but its basically garbage. I would put the odds at about 5% that any of those players becomes fantasy revelant, and thats if the person is a good drafter.

The deal is essentially Golden Tate and a 2011 1st for Mathews. Unless that picks turns out to be top 3, he got hosed.

Why would anyone give a top 3 pick along with Tate, for a top 3 pick? That doesn't make much sense.He got a 1.7, most likely a 1.9-12, and a pile of 3's, 4's, and 5.. for a top 3 pick

Matthews isn't even the most talented RB in the draft...

Have you ever heard of the time value of money? A 2011 top 3 pick is worth less than a 2010 top 3 pick, simply based on the fact that you have to wait another year for the 2011 pick. The non-1st round picks are pretty much garbage.

Like I said, it doesn't matter what you or I or any one person thinks about Mathews talent. What matters is that his value is a low 1st to a 3rd round pick in a startup dynasty.

That package does not even come close to the value that Mathews can and would bring in.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I just traded: Brandon Marshall (1 year left on contract, will be FA next season) + Mike Wallace (7 years left) + Johnathan Joseph (1 year left)I recieved: Hakeem Nicks (5 contract years left) + David Harris (2 contract years left).I also have Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, Sidney Rice, Braylon Edwards, and Jeremy Maclin as my other 5 WR's.How did I do?? I will likely be able to get Marshall back if needed next season cause I have loads of Cap to spend in free agency. Essentially I traded Wallace for Nicks if you subtract this year. Marshall was likely my #4 WR after Fitz, Moss, and Rice.

No comments? Just want opinions on if it was a good trade for not.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

2. Crimson Shaders gave up Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR; Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Ship of FoolsGefilte Phish gave up Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

That's a nice haul for Maclin.

I'd rather have Maclin. Bowe in #3 in KC and the 1.07 could get a QB or Benn type WR. I like Maclin in this situation.

I see Bowe and Bradford/M Williams plus a round 2 that should be traded for the same pick next year. I wouldn't trade Bowe for Maclin straight up, so I think they giving Maclin got a GREAT deal.

I am the Gefilte Phish. I did take Bradford with that pick at 7. Was a tough call between him and Ben Tate. Trade essentially became:Bowe/Bradford/2011 2nd forMaclinI am very high on Maclin as a dynasty WR, and it would have taken a nice haul to get him. I am pleased with what I got. I still believe in Bowe, and have him in the same tier as Maclin.

 

[Getinthemix]

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

It's not a good trade. Late 1st round picks are a crapshoot, and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks rarely ever turn out. He could have moved Matthews for a proven WR, or a package of young talent like Hicks/Maclin + 2011 1st maybe. Who knows? The point is, he didn't receive good value in return. Also, it doesn't always take 2 or 3 years to rebuild. You also don't have to "mature" WR's. The idea of rebuilding is to find core players, no matter the position. 30+ year old WR's are the biggest bargain in fantasy football, so some of us have rebuilt teams acquiring core players, and then trading for the Reggie Wayne's, Steve Smith's, Donald Drivers, etc. for relatively low prices. There are also usually plenty of 2nd and 3rd year WR's on the waiver wire who are just as likely to find success as late 1st round rookie picks like Golden Tate. Sims-Walker, S Rice, and M Austin are 3 WR's who were on the waiver wire in many leagues at the beginning of the 2009 season.

Horrible trade, especially once you factor in that you can only keep 22 players year to year. The odds that you actually keep any of those later round picks AND they amount to anything is remote.

 

[HenryMuto]

Another VJax trade. 10 team no PPR. Start 2rb 3wr 1flexFred JacksonDarren SprolesDavid Garrardpick 15 (contraction draft, so about 6 top flight FA added to normal rookies)forVJaxFloydTony Scheffler

I need to find some leagues like this to play in. That is beyond horrible.

 

[mikel2014]

16 team PPR league

Team A Gets:

Beanie Wells

2011 2nd Round Pick (Probably around 22nd overall)

Team B Gets:

Reggie Bush

2011 1st Round Pick (Expected from 8-13)

 

[gianmarco]

Terrible trade. No way I trade what was likely the rookie 1.2 for the 1.8 and a late 1st next year. I won't go so far as to call anything past the 2nd round in a non-idp league completely worthless, but it's basically a bunch of lottery tickets/roster fodder that will likely have to be cut before they develop since a team can only hold 22 players. To quote another post earlier in this thread, this is how rebuilding teams never stop rebuilding.

Agree terrible trade. I was offered the following in my league for the 1.02 pick this yearI was offered

(2) 2011 Round 1 picks

(1) 2011 Round 2 pick

(3) 2011 Round 3 picks

(2) 2011 Round 4 picks

and I turned it down and Mathews will be gone at pick 1.01 so I turned it down and still don't get Mathews.

Team B in this trade has the worst team in the league, all Matthews could do for him in the next 2 seasons is damage his draft picks.... It is truly a rebuild team... I hear the "perpetually rebuilding" comments and laugh. There is no way someone in here could label the guy that way by only looking at 1 trade.

I am Team A (receiving Matthews) but I don't feel like I took him for a ride. I got what I needed and so did he. Would you rather play on with only Spiller and Matthews on your roster worth starting? maybe it'll take him till 2012 to finish his rebuild.. Would be a lot of wasted production.

If his team is as bad as you say, Mathews isn't making any impact on his draft position. It is a bad deal and everyone knows it, including you. You may laugh at that comment, but it really is how bad teams stay bad.

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

I love this type of reasoning."Let me trade Mathews who hasn't proven zilch at the NFL level for a bunch of draft picks........who haven't proven zilch at the NFL level"

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?

Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

It's not a good trade. Late 1st round picks are a crapshoot, and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks rarely ever turn out. He could have moved Matthews for a proven WR, or a package of young talent like Hicks/Maclin + 2011 1st maybe. Who knows? The point is, he didn't receive good value in return. Also, it doesn't always take 2 or 3 years to rebuild. You also don't have to "mature" WR's. The idea of rebuilding is to find core players, no matter the position. 30+ year old WR's are the biggest bargain in fantasy football, so some of us have rebuilt teams acquiring core players, and then trading for the Reggie Wayne's, Steve Smith's, Donald Drivers, etc. for relatively low prices. There are also usually plenty of 2nd and 3rd year WR's on the waiver wire who are just as likely to find success as late 1st round rookie picks like Golden Tate. Sims-Walker, S Rice, and M Austin are 3 WR's who were on the waiver wire in many leagues at the beginning of the 2009 season.

Horrible trade, especially once you factor in that you can only keep 22 players year to year. The odds that you actually keep any of those later round picks AND they amount to anything is remote.

Since I just traded them all for Matthews, yea, I'd say very remote...Maybe he could have gotten more... I don't know what others in the league were willing to trade. But he was very happy with the trade and seemed to think he had to explain it to the league, as if I got ripped...

BTW, I've not seen Matthews go anywhere near late first round in a start up. So I don't think you can suggest that is a standard or anywhere remotely close to ADP... Just because you've seen it in '1' draft doesn't mean it's the new standard. Means someone reached... I saw a draft with him going in the 6th round, should we weigh his value now based on the 6th round pick?

Either way, I'm happy with my end of the trade. Seems like for good reason according to you lot. And he's happy with his. Some people around here want to label any trade that's not dead even in value a bad trade. Reality is there are no dead even trades. And the value is different for each persons preference.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?

Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

It's not a good trade. Late 1st round picks are a crapshoot, and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks rarely ever turn out. He could have moved Matthews for a proven WR, or a package of young talent like Hicks/Maclin + 2011 1st maybe. Who knows? The point is, he didn't receive good value in return. Also, it doesn't always take 2 or 3 years to rebuild. You also don't have to "mature" WR's. The idea of rebuilding is to find core players, no matter the position. 30+ year old WR's are the biggest bargain in fantasy football, so some of us have rebuilt teams acquiring core players, and then trading for the Reggie Wayne's, Steve Smith's, Donald Drivers, etc. for relatively low prices. There are also usually plenty of 2nd and 3rd year WR's on the waiver wire who are just as likely to find success as late 1st round rookie picks like Golden Tate. Sims-Walker, S Rice, and M Austin are 3 WR's who were on the waiver wire in many leagues at the beginning of the 2009 season.

Horrible trade, especially once you factor in that you can only keep 22 players year to year. The odds that you actually keep any of those later round picks AND they amount to anything is remote.

Since I just traded them all for Matthews, yea, I'd say very remote...Maybe he could have gotten more... I don't know what others in the league were willing to trade. But he was very happy with the trade and seemed to think he had to explain it to the league, as if I got ripped...

BTW, I've not seen Matthews go anywhere near late first round in a start up. So I don't think you can suggest that is a standard or anywhere remotely close to ADP... Just because you've seen it in '1' draft doesn't mean it's the new standard. Means someone reached... I saw a draft with him going in the 6th round, should we weigh his value now based on the 6th round pick?

Either way, I'm happy with my end of the trade. Seems like for good reason according to you lot. And he's happy with his. Some people around here want to label any trade that's not dead even in value a bad trade. Reality is there are no dead even trades. And the value is different for each persons preference.

You should probably stop while you're ahead.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You say it was a bad trade, tell me then, what would be a good deal for Matthews.. Matthews has proven zilch at the NFL level. (I remind you of Lynch, McFadden, R.Bush) And he's getting a good young WR prospect +picks, including a first rounder for him. What else?

Essentially, he nets 2 1st's, 2 3rd's, 2 4th's, and a 5th, <for> an early first. And he is in rebuild mode... The fact that his roster is horrendous suggests he needs to do something (rebuild) and when you start a rebuild, usually you start with WR's and QB's... The only good players on his roster were Spiller and Matthews. By the time he has matured WR's and QB, he could very well be beyond Matthew's best years. Why not trade him?

It's not a good trade. Late 1st round picks are a crapshoot, and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks rarely ever turn out. He could have moved Matthews for a proven WR, or a package of young talent like Hicks/Maclin + 2011 1st maybe. Who knows? The point is, he didn't receive good value in return. Also, it doesn't always take 2 or 3 years to rebuild. You also don't have to "mature" WR's. The idea of rebuilding is to find core players, no matter the position. 30+ year old WR's are the biggest bargain in fantasy football, so some of us have rebuilt teams acquiring core players, and then trading for the Reggie Wayne's, Steve Smith's, Donald Drivers, etc. for relatively low prices. There are also usually plenty of 2nd and 3rd year WR's on the waiver wire who are just as likely to find success as late 1st round rookie picks like Golden Tate. Sims-Walker, S Rice, and M Austin are 3 WR's who were on the waiver wire in many leagues at the beginning of the 2009 season.

Horrible trade, especially once you factor in that you can only keep 22 players year to year. The odds that you actually keep any of those later round picks AND they amount to anything is remote.

Since I just traded them all for Matthews, yea, I'd say very remote...Maybe he could have gotten more... I don't know what others in the league were willing to trade. But he was very happy with the trade and seemed to think he had to explain it to the league, as if I got ripped...

BTW, I've not seen Matthews go anywhere near late first round in a start up. So I don't think you can suggest that is a standard or anywhere remotely close to ADP... Just because you've seen it in '1' draft doesn't mean it's the new standard. Means someone reached... I saw a draft with him going in the 6th round, should we weigh his value now based on the 6th round pick?

Either way, I'm happy with my end of the trade. Seems like for good reason according to you lot. And he's happy with his. Some people around here want to label any trade that's not dead even in value a bad trade. Reality is there are no dead even trades. And the value is different for each persons preference.

You should probably stop while you're ahead.

^ useless post...

What did I get ahead of?... Guess I'm treading on thin ice now Whatever buddy...

 

[GreatLakesMike]

^ useless post... What did I get ahead of?... Guess I'm treading on thin ice now Whatever buddy...

You made out like a bandit with this deal. That much is obvious to many, so there's no sense in insulting the intelligence of other people, even if you disagree. You seem to be taking this way too seriously so I won't say anymore. Lighten up Francis.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

^ useless post... What did I get ahead of?... Guess I'm treading on thin ice now Whatever buddy...

You made out like a bandit with this deal. That much is obvious to many, so there's no sense in insulting the intelligence of other people, even if you disagree. You seem to be taking this way too seriously so I won't say anymore. Lighten up Francis.

So now you speak for many.. 3 people by my count agree. 3 out of how many have voiced your same sentiment. Don't be obnoxious...