2010 Rookie Draft Picks, Looking Ahead! (2 Viewers)

[BeTheMatch]

Also, I read somewhere Dwyer can get very close to 4 flat in the 40.

What does "very close" mean? No one on earth has run a 4-flat. So I really don't understand what very close means. 4.6? 4.5?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Also, I read somewhere Dwyer can get very close to 4 flat in the 40.

What does "very close" mean? No one on earth has run a 4-flat. So I really don't understand what very close means. 4.6? 4.5?

oops. I meant 4.4 flat. Sorry. Obviously if this is true he earns some money in the order with his timed speed.

 

[offdee]

Also, I read somewhere Dwyer can get very close to 4 flat in the 40.

What does "very close" mean? No one on earth has run a 4-flat. So I really don't understand what very close means. 4.6? 4.5?

oops. I meant 4.4 flat. Sorry. Obviously if this is true he earns some money in the order with his timed speed.

Dwyer ran a 10.7-10.8 100m (2nd place in the state of Georgia in high school track events). He's definitely not slow, given his size (6-0, 235lbs) and power.Speed visuals:

 

[ConstruxBoy]

With all this talk about Ryan Mathews, people might want to remember to tune into the bowl game on Saturday.

Fresno State vs. Wyoming at 1:30 PM PST.

Should be a great showcase for Mathews since I doubt Wyoming has a prayer of stopping him.

EBF how do you feel about Spiller compared to some of these other running backs coming out?

He's an intriguing prospect. Very good speed and explosiveness. Good productivity with a knack for making big plays. A quick glance at his game log shows at least 8 plays of 45+ yards this season (and that doesn't include returns, where he offers a lot of added value). He's also a dangerous receiver downfield and on screen passes. The team that drafts him will find ways to get him involved even if he doesn't become a 20 touch per game back at the next level. The main question marks with him involve power and durability. He has a bit of a sprinter's build. Good thigh thickness, but longish legs. Not quite as squatty as you hope for and consequently doesn't generate much "pop" in collisions even though he's weight room strong and he runs with good effort. He has plenty of raw quickness and burst, but he's not as smooth changing directions as someone like Jahvid Best. Again, I suspect it's a body proportions issue. Some observers have questioned his vision. I haven't watched him extensively enough to comment on that.

All in all, I like him. He has the "wow" factor that you look for in an elite pro prospect. There's no doubt in my mind that he's a top tier NFL caliber athlete. He should put on a show in workouts. He's not quite as compact and strong as I like RB prospects to be, but that's about the only major knock against him. I still think he can be an exciting pro player and he definitely warrants heavy consideration at the very top of this year's rookie drafts, particularly in PPR formats.

There's a pretty good highlight package here:

I'm guessing Starks, or maybe Devine since you like them small.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I am seeing the possibility of a 5th back breaking into this discussion by April. Any guesses who he might be? Yeah, I know I should just say who, but it's a long way to the draft so... guess. A hint: Not TG.

I'm guessing Starks, or maybe Devine since you like them small.

Starks isn't so small and jus cuz I like them doesn't help 'em a bit. I'm not talking my preferences. I think a back... another hint... a back who's been disrespected quite a bit right or wrong by fans and us draft junky dorks may just be held in higher regard by those that matter than the rest of us.

 

[EBF]

Joe McKnight? DeMarco Murray? Montario Hardesty? Evan Royster? Come on, just spit it out.

p.s. I think Mathews is plenty fast for the first round. I think he runs mid 4.4.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Joe McKnight? DeMarco Murray? Montario Hardesty? Evan Royster?

Blount? Stafon?

 

[Duckboy]

Joe McKnight? DeMarco Murray? Montario Hardesty? Evan Royster?

Blount? Stafon?

This is the one that came to mind for me.

 

[EBF]

Stafon was given a 3rd round grade by the advisory committee last year, but his injury will drop him to the 4th-7th range unless he makes a speedy recovery and dominates at the combine and/or Senior Bowl.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I am seeing the possibility of a 5th back breaking into this discussion by April. Any guesses who he might be? Yeah, I know I should just say who, but it's a long way to the draft so... guess. A hint: Not TG.

I'm guessing Starks, or maybe Devine since you like them small.

Starks isn't so small and jus cuz I like them doesn't help 'em a bit. I'm not talking my preferences. I think a back... another hint... a back who's been disrespected quite a bit right or wrong by fans and us draft junky dorks may just be held in higher regard by those that matter than the rest of us.

Gotta be Murray or McKnight. I'll guess Murray. And no one matters more than us.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Joe McKnight? DeMarco Murray? Montario Hardesty? Evan Royster? Come on, just spit it out.p.s. I think Mathews is plenty fast for the first round. I think he runs mid 4.4.

Sorry, I was in court!McKnight. You got it on your first try. If he enters, hits the scales over 200, which I think he will, and runs faster than most expect, which I also think he will, the rest of his game is a lot better than what I keep reading. McKnight looked comfortable and decisive between the tackles to me and he looked stronger and more powerful than most reports suggest too. Just a hunch. Great in space, great feet, great hands and not as small and lean as most think. He beefed up nicely and probably will continue to. Thoughts? Crazy?

 

[EBF]

Crazy?

Never been a big fan. His numbers are up this year, but I think he's too small. Strictly a change of pace guy IMO.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Crazy?

Never been a big fan. His numbers are up this year, but I think he's too small. Strictly a change of pace guy IMO.

Your reply goes to potential fantasy value. I'm discussing potential nfl draft value. I have a hunch, not a strong one, but a hunch that his stock is pretty stout. He tore through a lot of arm tackles this year that I think would have dropped Best.

 

[EBF]

Crazy?

Never been a big fan. His numbers are up this year, but I think he's too small. Strictly a change of pace guy IMO.

Your reply goes to potential fantasy value. I'm discussing potential nfl draft value. I have a hunch, not a strong one, but a hunch that his stock is pretty stout. He tore through a lot of arm tackles this year that I think would have dropped Best.

Anything higher than the mid 2nd would be a big surprise IMO.

 

[jojoh07]

I can't see mcKnight in top 2 rounds either , many backs ahead of him and many teams have other needs and if they do have a need at RB there are many that will be declaring. I think third round sounds about right.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'm suggesting he measures 5-11 not 6-0, like Reggie a few years ago, and weighs 205, not 190, and runs 4.37, not 4.5 like some seem to expect, and drops a 38 inch vert, etc...

Jojo... list many backs ahead of him after the top four. I see a tier of different players and skillsets, but that tier isn't particularly explosive. A lot of beef. If Best and Spiller are gone and you've decided you need a home run hitting explosive playmaker, well who's left? McCluster, Devine, McKnight... ??

This is the only highlight vid I could find with some 09 runs. There's three or four runs in there, particularly the ones around the 2 minute mark, that are as good as Best and Spiller's best stuff. Is there any question who's the best receiver of the three? Not to me. I'm not a huge fan either. I thought the HS hype was way overblown for his build and running style. He showed up this season a completely different player physically, imo. So just maybe a combination of disrespect he's earned that IS a little too strong, some mostly unreported positive changes, a class lacking other explosive home run hitters, a kid who's carried a 5star grade for years, and a team looking for a Hester/Ginn/Royal/Charles playmaker at the RB position; creates a higher than expected value on McKnight. I agree with EBF though. Mid second is pushing it. According to many current mocks 2 of the top four are falling that far. I wouldn't underestimate the demand for the kind of playmaking McKnight promises.

We'll see. I'm sure selling myself.

 

[mikel2014]

The top 4 backs (Spiller, Best, Matthews, and Dwyer) all have similar value at this point for fantasy. Which of them has the biggest risk of a bust at the pro level? Spiller and Best are both undersized for an every down back

 

[jojoh07]

I'm suggesting he measures 5-11 not 6-0, like Reggie a few years ago, and weighs 205, not 190, and runs 4.37, not 4.5 like some seem to expect, and drops a 38 inch vert, etc...

Jojo... list many backs ahead of him after the top four. I see a tier of different players and skillsets, but that tier isn't particularly explosive. A lot of beef. If Best and Spiller are gone and you've decided you need a home run hitting explosive playmaker, well who's left? McCluster, Devine, McKnight... ??

This is the only highlight vid I could find with some 09 runs. There's three or four runs in there, particularly the ones around the 2 minute mark, that are as good as Best and Spiller's best stuff. Is there any question who's the best receiver of the three? Not to me. I'm not a huge fan either. I thought the HS hype was way overblown for his build and running style. He showed up this season a completely different player physically, imo. So just maybe a combination of disrespect he's earned that IS a little too strong, some mostly unreported positive changes, a class lacking other explosive home run hitters, a kid who's carried a 5star grade for years, and a team looking for a Hester/Ginn/Royal/Charles playmaker at the RB position; creates a higher than expected value on McKnight. I agree with EBF though. Mid second is pushing it. According to many current mocks 2 of the top four are falling that far. I wouldn't underestimate the demand for the kind of playmaking McKnight promises.

We'll see. I'm sure selling myself.

I personally am not as high on McKnight as yourself. Aside from Mathews , Spiller , Best , Dwyer , I see Gerhart , Royster , and devine going ahead of him with Maybe murray but that will be close .My assumption of him not going in top 2 rounds was due to how many Teams currently would risk a top 2 round pick on a back.

Cleveland .... many many other needs But a back is one of them

Detroit .... With Smith possibly not ready but same as Clev , many other needs

Tampa bay ... Possibly

Seattle ... OL needs and others will be a priority but will draft a back somehwere

Washington .. another possibility with portis declining and age

There are also teams such as Houston , NE , Miami who could possibly draft one with top 2 rounds .

So in my estimation if 6 of those 8 teams draft a back that would put a guy like mcknight into the 3rd round and beyond mark. Its a long ways from teh draft and anything can happen and you never know , some team might have him very high on there board in march but as of now its just hard for me to fathom him being picked on those first 64 picks.

 

[kremenull]

I'm suggesting he measures 5-11 not 6-0, like Reggie a few years ago, and weighs 205, not 190, and runs 4.37, not 4.5 like some seem to expect, and drops a 38 inch vert, etc...

Jojo... list many backs ahead of him after the top four. I see a tier of different players and skillsets, but that tier isn't particularly explosive. A lot of beef. If Best and Spiller are gone and you've decided you need a home run hitting explosive playmaker, well who's left? McCluster, Devine, McKnight... ??

This is the only highlight vid I could find with some 09 runs. There's three or four runs in there, particularly the ones around the 2 minute mark, that are as good as Best and Spiller's best stuff. Is there any question who's the best receiver of the three? Not to me. I'm not a huge fan either. I thought the HS hype was way overblown for his build and running style. He showed up this season a completely different player physically, imo. So just maybe a combination of disrespect he's earned that IS a little too strong, some mostly unreported positive changes, a class lacking other explosive home run hitters, a kid who's carried a 5star grade for years, and a team looking for a Hester/Ginn/Royal/Charles playmaker at the RB position; creates a higher than expected value on McKnight. I agree with EBF though. Mid second is pushing it. According to many current mocks 2 of the top four are falling that far. I wouldn't underestimate the demand for the kind of playmaking McKnight promises.

We'll see. I'm sure selling myself.

I personally am not as high on McKnight as yourself. Aside from Mathews , Spiller , Best , Dwyer , I see Gerhart , Royster , and devine going ahead of him with Maybe murray but that will be close .My assumption of him not going in top 2 rounds was due to how many Teams currently would risk a top 2 round pick on a back.

Cleveland .... many many other needs But a back is one of them

Detroit .... With Smith possibly not ready but same as Clev , many other needs

Tampa bay ... Possibly

Seattle ... OL needs and others will be a priority but will draft a back somehwere

Washington .. another possibility with portis declining and age

There are also teams such as Houston , NE , Miami who could possibly draft one with top 2 rounds .

So in my estimation if 6 of those 8 teams draft a back that would put a guy like mcknight into the 3rd round and beyond mark. Its a long ways from teh draft and anything can happen and you never know , some team might have him very high on there board in march but as of now its just hard for me to fathom him being picked on those first 64 picks.

Not only teams with a need at the RB spot consider a RB early, but teams who are also without many needs at all can consider a RB if the RB is deemed to be a special type of player that is viewed to be able to get the team "over the hump", so to speak.This would place teams like Green Bay, N.E., S.D., NYG/NYJ, among others that could take one of these top-rated RBs in the first 2-3 rounds.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

 

[Rodeojones]

Ryan Matthews looking good against Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl. Wyoming is bringing extra players into the box to stop him and he still has 100+ yards and 2 TD's going into the 4th quarter.

Great vision, bouncing plays to the outside, good leg drive and rarely goes down on first contact.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

 

[coolnerd]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

Matthews is a solid guy, has good vision and quickness, but is not really as thick as I thought although well built. a couple of nice runs, but did have a 4th quarter fumble. Not in style, but I place him around the same level as Donald Brown last year.

 

[Chaos Commish]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

Watch the Fresno Boise game.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

Matthews is a solid guy, has good vision and quickness, but is not really as thick as I thought although well built. a couple of nice runs, but did have a 4th quarter fumble. Not in style, but I place him around the same level as Donald Brown last year.

Yeah, he's certainly very good. But I don't think he's clearly better than the other 3 right now.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

Watch the Fresno Boise game.

Is the Boise defense = the Georgia Tech defense?

 

[Chaos Commish]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

Watch the Fresno Boise game.

Is the Boise defense = the Georgia Tech defense?

No, it's tougher, considerably and so is Cincinnati if you want to watch another top D shredded. The better question might be is Fresno's line as good as Clemson or Georgia Tech's?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Is the Boise defense = the Georgia Tech defense?

No, it's tougher, considerably and so is Cincinnati if you want to watch another top D shredded. The better question might be is Fresno's line as good as Clemson or Georgia Tech's?

Or is the WAC as tough as the ACC? It's fun to see you in love this year.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Is the Boise defense = the Georgia Tech defense?

No, it's tougher, considerably and so is Cincinnati if you want to watch another top D shredded. The better question might be is Fresno's line as good as Clemson or Georgia Tech's?

Or is the WAC as tough as the ACC? It's fun to see you in love this year.

I'm not though. I'm pretty torn. Above I ranked Best/spiller ahead of him because I would rather see either of them in Dallas. That's my best barometer for how I really feel. I like Mathews a lot. Part of that is for the same reasons you like Spiller. We've sort of been there all along. If Mathews tests at an elite level, I will probably go back to rating him higher than the other two, but we already know they test at an elite level. If there is a player I am really in love with it's your boy Spiller. I have a hard time loving a CalBear, but I can appreciate the talent. I love everythig about Spiller and just want to see him succeed.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

RIght, but if you had just watched Spiller vs South Carolina, he looks like a mid-round draft pick. The Georgia Tech game may have well been the best game of Spiller's career.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Pretty crappy effort at the goal line there Mr Mathews.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Is the Boise defense = the Georgia Tech defense?

No, it's tougher, considerably and so is Cincinnati if you want to watch another top D shredded. The better question might be is Fresno's line as good as Clemson or Georgia Tech's?

Or is the WAC as tough as the ACC? It's fun to see you in love this year.

I'm not though. I'm pretty torn. Above I ranked Best/spiller ahead of him because I would rather see either of them in Dallas. That's my best barometer for how I really feel. I like Mathews a lot. Part of that is for the same reasons you like Spiller. We've sort of been there all along. If Mathews tests at an elite level, I will probably go back to rating him higher than the other two, but we already know they test at an elite level. If there is a player I am really in love with it's your boy Spiller. I have a hard time loving a CalBear, but I can appreciate the talent. I love everythig about Spiller and just want to see him succeed.

Just like teasing you. And respect your opinion. I agree that it's hard not to root for Spiller. Doesn't mean I should draft him in a fantasy league, but he's a great, great kid.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So..uh...this is the best RB coming out?

What's wrong?130+ yards, 5+ ypc, 2TDs and his team is winning in the fourth.Certainly the lost fumble is no good.

Well, I've seen people here say "clearly the best" and I don't see "clearly". Probably not fair that I re-watched the ACC Championship game this morning. Just wanted to compare Dwyer, Spiller and Mathews.

RIght, but if you had just watched Spiller vs South Carolina, he looks like a mid-round draft pick. The Georgia Tech game may have well been the best game of Spiller's career.

Very true. My biggest beef isn't with Mathews. It's with his supporters here. They seem so overly insistent. I don't see that from Dwyer, Spiller or Best fans. It's sort of annoying because it makes it harder to tell what is blind love and what is good scouting.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pretty crappy effort at the goal line there Mr Mathews.

Last thing I'll say for now and more directed toward others: so Spiller is too small to run hard through the tackles but Mathews can't score on 3 tries from one yard out to win a game against the 90th ranked run defense? Just saying.

 

[coolnerd]

Pretty crappy effort at the goal line there Mr Mathews.

Last thing I'll say for now and more directed toward others: so Spiller is too small to run hard through the tackles but Mathews can't score on 3 tries from one yard out to win a game against the 90th ranked run defense? Just saying.

Even though the blocking was not steller, you would have hoped that he did something special.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Pretty crappy effort at the goal line there Mr Mathews.

Last thing I'll say for now and more directed toward others: so Spiller is too small to run hard through the tackles but Mathews can't score on 3 tries from one yard out to win a game against the 90th ranked run defense? Just saying.

Well, my guess is that I am one of the others, as I have been one of the bigger Mathews supporters in the thread, (although I was criticized for only calling him a slightly more talented Matt Forte).You are putting too much emphasis on one game and one series. In this "poor" game, he still ran for 144 yards with 2 td's and a 4.7ypc.He had a strong run on 4th and 3 up the middle. in the 2nd quarter. On the minus side, he had a bib fumble and got stuffed at the goal line. I mentioned before, that Mathews doesn't leap off the screen the was Spiller or Best does, so he is never going to win in a youtube highlight contest. He isn't off the charts exceptional at anything. He is good at lots of things. Despite only being a junior, he has more career rushing touchdowns than Spiller, and is close in rushing yards. He has been productive. He probably is closer to ideal size/speed (if his 5'11/220 is legit, he looks lighter than that to me) combination than any eligible back in the draft. His production and measurables force him (much like Mendenhall two years ago) in the conversation for backs at the top of draft.Does that make him a better prospect than Spiller? No. I think Spiller has a good chance to a better NFL player, especially when you factor in his return abilities. Spiller has a huge potential range from Chris Johnson at the top to Kevin Faulk (who was a tremendous college player). He played well against a great TCU team and disappeared after returning a kickoff to South Carolina. I have no idea how Best will translate, and I have in one Dynasty league where you can carry one college player. I think expecting anything more than a Warwick Dunn career is being hopeful. Mathews, I have seen little of, but nothing I saw tonight caused me to bump him down. I think he has a lower upside and a higher floor. The combine will matter for all of the top guys; be it for there size or speed. At this moment, I probably like Dwyer the best as a prospect, but it is all fluid for me.I am not in this thread to prove a point, I in this thread to have a conversation and to hear others opinions. Somebody in this draft is going to be better than the others. Right now, I have no idea who. What I am trying to do he is figure that out.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pretty crappy effort at the goal line there Mr Mathews.

Last thing I'll say for now and more directed toward others: so Spiller is too small to run hard through the tackles but Mathews can't score on 3 tries from one yard out to win a game against the 90th ranked run defense? Just saying.

Well, my guess is that I am one of the others, as I have been one of the bigger Mathews supporters in the thread, (although I was criticized for only calling him a slightly more talented Matt Forte).You are putting too much emphasis on one game and one series. In this "poor" game, he still ran for 144 yards with 2 td's and a 4.7ypc.He had a strong run on 4th and 3 up the middle. in the 2nd quarter. On the minus side, he had a bib fumble and got stuffed at the goal line. I mentioned before, that Mathews doesn't leap off the screen the was Spiller or Best does, so he is never going to win in a youtube highlight contest. He isn't off the charts exceptional at anything. He is good at lots of things. Despite only being a junior, he has more career rushing touchdowns than Spiller, and is close in rushing yards. He has been productive. He probably is closer to ideal size/speed (if his 5'11/220 is legit, he looks lighter than that to me) combination than any eligible back in the draft. His production and measurables force him (much like Mendenhall two years ago) in the conversation for backs at the top of draft.Does that make him a better prospect than Spiller? No. I think Spiller has a good chance to a better NFL player, especially when you factor in his return abilities. Spiller has a huge potential range from Chris Johnson at the top to Kevin Faulk (who was a tremendous college player). He played well against a great TCU team and disappeared after returning a kickoff to South Carolina. I have no idea how Best will translate, and I have in one Dynasty league where you can carry one college player. I think expecting anything more than a Warwick Dunn career is being hopeful. Mathews, I have seen little of, but nothing I saw tonight caused me to bump him down. I think he has a lower upside and a higher floor. The combine will matter for all of the top guys; be it for there size or speed. At this moment, I probably like Dwyer the best as a prospect, but it is all fluid for me.I am not in this thread to prove a point, I in this thread to have a conversation and to hear others opinions. Somebody in this draft is going to be better than the others. Right now, I have no idea who. What I am trying to do he is figure that out.

No I agree with you and I certainly respect your opinion going back to my UFFP days. And I do want to sort it out as I have the 3rd pick in my only dynasty league rookie draft. So I would love for Mathews to become so good that I either want to take him at 3 or someone ahead of me takes him and another great player drops to me.It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best. Anyway, he certainly didn't look bad. Just was a let down when I heard he was going to run all over Wyoming, especially since he's the one of the top 4 that plays in a non-AQ conference.

 

[Chaos Commish]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

I haven't noticed this. EBF made some strong statements but I didn't read that as insistence from him, more of a "wow, check out this complete package." Who is inistent on Mathews? I have no concerns about the two speed backs. I have minor concerns about Mathews and pretty major concerns about Dwyer. I like him. He has a little bit of Michael Bush the Louisville junior in his game though. He seems really soft for a big dude, and even though he's 10 pounds lighter than Bush, he doesn'thave his footwork or hands. I came into this discussion expecting Dwyer to be the board and media favorite and prepared to argue him 4th, but it didn't work out that way.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

Just in the interest of balance... I think Dwyer is the clear #1 RB in the draft and barring something unexpected by Spiller (sub ~4.35) or Best (more than ~200 pounds) at the combine, I think he'll be the first back drafted. The only player with remotely similar measurables in recent times is Stewart - and depending on how much you discount Dwyer's college production because of the offensive system, he's arguably performed better than Stewart.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

I haven't noticed this. EBF made some strong statements but I didn't read that as insistence from him, more of a "wow, check out this complete package." Who is inistent on Mathews? I have no concerns about the two speed backs. I have minor concerns about Mathews and pretty major concerns about Dwyer. I like him. He has a little bit of Michael Bush the Louisville junior in his game though. He seems really soft for a big dude, and even though he's 10 pounds lighter than Bush, he doesn'thave his footwork or hands. I came into this discussion expecting Dwyer to be the board and media favorite and prepared to argue him 4th, but it didn't work out that way.

I'm not big on calling out people here. If you don't see it, then you don't see it. <_<

 

[kremenull]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

Just in the interest of balance... I think Dwyer is the clear #1 RB in the draft and barring something unexpected by Spiller (sub ~4.35) or Best (more than ~200 pounds) at the combine, I think he'll be the first back drafted. The only player with remotely similar measurables in recent times is Stewart - and depending on how much you discount Dwyer's college production because of the offensive system, he's arguably performed better than Stewart.

Spiller clocking a sub 4.35 would not be much of a surprise, at least not to me. And not that I needed confirmation or anything, but after tonight's performance by Stewart (vs. Minnesota), I have a hard time seeing how Dwyer is or will be better than him. That was simply one impressive performance vs a very tough run defense. Kid displayed the whole package - power, vision, great balance and burst, and topped it off with a great TD catch on a high, back-shoulder throw.....I think Dwyer has a chance to be good, depending upon how quickly he can adjust to pro-style sets (lining up 6-7 yards deep instead of 3) and pass protection. I'm not so sure that this will be a seamless transition for him. Of the past couple of draft classes (2008 and 2009) and this upcoming class (2010), I'd rank the bigger, "power" RBs as follows.1. Jonathan Stewart2. Beanie Wells3. Rashard Mendenhall4. Jonathan Dwyer5. Rashard Jennings

 

[offdee]

(KFFL) Joe Schad, of ESPN, reports Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews will enter the 2010 NFL Draft, according to sources close to the situation. Mathews led the nation in rushing during the 2009 season, averaging 151.3 yards per game.

 

[Chaos Commish]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

Just in the interest of balance... I think Dwyer is the clear #1 RB in the draft and barring something unexpected by Spiller (sub ~4.35) or Best (more than ~200 pounds) at the combine, I think he'll be the first back drafted. The only player with remotely similar measurables in recent times is Stewart - and depending on how much you discount Dwyer's college production because of the offensive system, he's arguably performed better than Stewart.

Spiller clocking a sub 4.35 would not be much of a surprise, at least not to me.

It's his estimated time at Draftcountdown. I expect him to clock that fast, and won't be surprised if he gets a better time. McFadden had a 4.33 with a perfect start. Spiller has a little better pure sprinter's speed than McFadden.

 

[Steed]

It just seems like some of his other supporters are so sure he is the best back and very insistent about it, while fans of Spiller or Best or Dwyer readily admit they aren't positive their guy is the best.

Just in the interest of balance... I think Dwyer is the clear #1 RB in the draft and barring something unexpected by Spiller (sub ~4.35) or Best (more than ~200 pounds) at the combine, I think he'll be the first back drafted. The only player with remotely similar measurables in recent times is Stewart - and depending on how much you discount Dwyer's college production because of the offensive system, he's arguably performed better than Stewart.

Spiller clocking a sub 4.35 would not be much of a surprise, at least not to me. And not that I needed confirmation or anything, but after tonight's performance by Stewart (vs. Minnesota), I have a hard time seeing how Dwyer is or will be better than him. That was simply one impressive performance vs a very tough run defense. Kid displayed the whole package - power, vision, great balance and burst, and topped it off with a great TD catch on a high, back-shoulder throw.....I think Dwyer has a chance to be good, depending upon how quickly he can adjust to pro-style sets (lining up 6-7 yards deep instead of 3) and pass protection. I'm not so sure that this will be a seamless transition for him. Of the past couple of draft classes (2008 and 2009) and this upcoming class (2010), I'd rank the bigger, "power" RBs as follows.1. Jonathan Stewart2. Beanie Wells3. Rashard Mendenhall4. Jonathan Dwyer5. Rashard Jennings

Rashard Jennings on that list is laughable.

 

[MAC_32]

There has not been enough Danario Alexander in this thread recently.

I want to wait until post combine before annointing him the #2 WR this year, but unless Thomas and Gilyard step up me thinks it's him.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

There has not been enough Danario Alexander in this thread recently.I want to wait until post combine before annointing him the #2 WR this year, but unless Thomas and Gilyard step up me thinks it's him.

I'm partial to Thomas, but Alexander looks good as well.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I'm going to make the official RB tier rankings as it pertains to FF. No offense but these are better then anyone on the site could do at this point in time while we don't have much info. I'm assuming McKnight and Murray come out.

Top Tier

J.Dwyer - can be a total package

R.Mathews - same

Tier 2

CJ Spiller - won't ever be a goal-line back and isn't near as good between the tackles as 4.24 so please stop comparing him to CJ

J Best - Nice weapon, but again not feature back material

Tier 3

Toby Gerhart - will be a goal-line beast and should garner 10-15 carries a game minimum with the goalline looks. If he gets more on 1st/2nd down could be very solid for FF

J. McKnight - another tweener who won't get gl looks, but a nice weapon ala felix jones

D Murray - nice potential, can run/catch, but is injury prone and doubt he gets gl looks

Tier 4

Royster - pretty much will become a journey man backup

ect - all the other crapshoots or guys who will vault based on the combine

these are the official rankings IMO, i hate to be so concrete but i know more about these guys then 99.9999% of the population.

gl to all.

obviously some things will change combine/draft time but these are the best rankings out there at the current time.

 

[offdee]

 

[ILUVBEER99]

those are official offdee, take note.